Re: Google Maps Navigation takes a mobile turn

2009-10-30 Thread Mark
Apparently many think that Ovi Maps is just as bad as the tablet version...

http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2009/10/ovi-maps-really-is-this-best-we-can-do.html

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Kevin T. Neely
ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote:
 Ovi Maps uses Navteq maps.  The engine is different from the mapping
 application on the N8x0 series tablets.

 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Kevin T. Neely
 ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote:
  That really works?  I've been rocking mobile navigation for a couple
  years
  with Ovi Maps (formerly Nokia Maps), and more recently waze.  The first
  is
  excellent, the latter very promising.
 
  I understand that Ovi Maps is not quite ready for primetime on the N900.
  Maybe one of the reasons they postponed the launch?
 
  K
 

 The Wayfinder Map app that came on the N8x0 is excruciatingly painful
 to use for actual navigation. The map data (at least in my area of the
 USA) is extremely out of date, and the POI database is severely
 lacking. You can't load the whole country at once, only the western or
 eastern half, and if you're traveling across the dividing line it
 couldn't be any less user-friendly. You can't have more than one map
 active at a time, so even though you can add maps at will, navigating
 between any two of them is impossible. Trying to enter a destination
 is an exercise in futility. If you manually pan the map and place a
 favorite and use that for your destination the directions are pretty
 good and the voice prompts are excellent, but there are so many
 obstacles to getting to that point that the app is pretty much useless
 for anything but showing you where you currently are. Plus, the app as
 shipped is crippled to only show your current location - if you want
 navigation you have to pay as much as a whole standalone navigation
 device, but you don't get the stability or any of the other strengths
 of the standalone devices. All of the other navigation apps for the
 tablets are works in progress and none of them natively do routing.
 Navit claims to, but if it does they've certainly hidden that
 functionality well. RoadMap does rudimentary routing, but you have to
 create the route manually. If you can't do routing, then you can't do
 navigation...

 Neither Ovi nor waze is available for the tablets, and if Ovi is the
 phone version of the tablet Map app that it appears to be, I'm less
 than impressed. You do have to pay extra to get navigation and it more
 than likely uses the same map data. Waze does indeed seem very
 promising, but again they are duplicating much of what OpenStreetMap
 has been working on for years, and everybody would benefit much more
 if they would integrate their technology with OSM instead of striking
 out on their own. OSM already has a huge amount of map data, but the
 user interface is a PITA and they would greatly benefit from an app
 exactly like waze.

 I don't own a smartphone, but Android 2.0 may be what changes my mind
 on the matter. Even if I could afford an N900 I wouldn't risk it at
 this point. Maybe if they are still being produced and supported in 2
 or 3 years I'll consider it. My mobile mapping experience thus far has
 been with PDA, Tablet and Laptop map/navigation software, and I have
 yet to find an application - even the expensive ones - for any of
 those that is in the same league as even the worst standalone GPSr.
 The usability of even my piece of junk TomTom is light years beyond
 anything I've tried that wasn't a dedicated unit.

 Mark
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Re: Google Maps Navigation takes a mobile turn

2009-10-30 Thread Kevin T. Neely
I find Ovi Maps on S60 to be a great program and it's a must-have for me.
 Like I posted earlier, I read somewhere that the Maemo version is not ready
yet.  I suspect it is a big part of why the N900 was delayed, though I have
no direct knowledge of that.

K

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Apparently many think that Ovi Maps is just as bad as the tablet version...


 http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2009/10/ovi-maps-really-is-this-best-we-can-do.html

 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Kevin T. Neely
 ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote:
  Ovi Maps uses Navteq maps.  The engine is different from the mapping
  application on the N8x0 series tablets.
 
  On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Kevin T. Neely
  ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote:
   That really works?  I've been rocking mobile navigation for a couple
   years
   with Ovi Maps (formerly Nokia Maps), and more recently waze.  The
 first
   is
   excellent, the latter very promising.
  
   I understand that Ovi Maps is not quite ready for primetime on the
 N900.
   Maybe one of the reasons they postponed the launch?
  
   K
  
 
  The Wayfinder Map app that came on the N8x0 is excruciatingly painful
  to use for actual navigation. The map data (at least in my area of the
  USA) is extremely out of date, and the POI database is severely
  lacking. You can't load the whole country at once, only the western or
  eastern half, and if you're traveling across the dividing line it
  couldn't be any less user-friendly. You can't have more than one map
  active at a time, so even though you can add maps at will, navigating
  between any two of them is impossible. Trying to enter a destination
  is an exercise in futility. If you manually pan the map and place a
  favorite and use that for your destination the directions are pretty
  good and the voice prompts are excellent, but there are so many
  obstacles to getting to that point that the app is pretty much useless
  for anything but showing you where you currently are. Plus, the app as
  shipped is crippled to only show your current location - if you want
  navigation you have to pay as much as a whole standalone navigation
  device, but you don't get the stability or any of the other strengths
  of the standalone devices. All of the other navigation apps for the
  tablets are works in progress and none of them natively do routing.
  Navit claims to, but if it does they've certainly hidden that
  functionality well. RoadMap does rudimentary routing, but you have to
  create the route manually. If you can't do routing, then you can't do
  navigation...
 
  Neither Ovi nor waze is available for the tablets, and if Ovi is the
  phone version of the tablet Map app that it appears to be, I'm less
  than impressed. You do have to pay extra to get navigation and it more
  than likely uses the same map data. Waze does indeed seem very
  promising, but again they are duplicating much of what OpenStreetMap
  has been working on for years, and everybody would benefit much more
  if they would integrate their technology with OSM instead of striking
  out on their own. OSM already has a huge amount of map data, but the
  user interface is a PITA and they would greatly benefit from an app
  exactly like waze.
 
  I don't own a smartphone, but Android 2.0 may be what changes my mind
  on the matter. Even if I could afford an N900 I wouldn't risk it at
  this point. Maybe if they are still being produced and supported in 2
  or 3 years I'll consider it. My mobile mapping experience thus far has
  been with PDA, Tablet and Laptop map/navigation software, and I have
  yet to find an application - even the expensive ones - for any of
  those that is in the same league as even the worst standalone GPSr.
  The usability of even my piece of junk TomTom is light years beyond
  anything I've tried that wasn't a dedicated unit.
 
  Mark
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