VS: Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
- Alkuperäinen viesti - > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Timo Pelkonen wrote: > > Mark, why are you in this mailing list anyway? I have seen only _very_ > > negative comments from you. Most of them inappropiate... > > > Because I keep hoping that Nokia is going to wake up and do the right > thing, and that I'll finally actually be able to use my tablet the way > they said it could be used. After two years of frustration following a > few days of initial excitement, I'm giving up once and for all. There > is now concrete proof that I've been right all along, and that I have > *NOT* been asking too much. Are you serious? Shouting -style messages to mailing list is something nokia needs to consult first when they are changing major things? Even if you were OPK(Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo), I bet people wouldn't be happy to execute changes you point to people with your tone... This first post is somewhat related: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=455062#post455062 and just a tip to nexus mailing lists for you: you aren't so special. Agree with oter people once in a while and the most important part: think matters thorougly and try also to see some positive things too. > > > > Is there a way to ignore people within maemo mailing lists? > > > > Ossipena / Timo > > > Elementary. Have the messages sent to your regular email and create a > filter. (Further proof that you people aren't very bright...) But you > won't have to bother on my account, because I just ordered a Nexus One > and will be leaving this mailing list forever in short order. Sayonara > suckers! > > Mark yes I know how to do that, but I meant by mailing list side so that mailing list doesn't even send me messages from ignored person x. Ossipena / Timo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
the Nexus hype is worse than the iPhone hype
Hey Mark et. al, Am Dienstag, 5. Januar 2010 21:01:15 schrieb Mark: > But the Nexus One is shipping today. Sayonara, Nokia!! WTF, not even on the Maemo mailing list I am protected against Google Nexus ads… What's next—an iPhone app to buy a Google Nexus One? > http://www.google.com/phone Honestly, If I wanted to have an Android device, I had bought a Motorola Milestone or an HTC Hero instead of my N900. But I wanted (and still want) a Debian-like "real" GNU/Linux-Distro instead of locked-up Java stuff. So why would I wanna buy a Nexus One? And even more, why would anyone here be interested in finding Nexus ads *here*‽ Kind regards, micu -- GnuPG: https://www1.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s3418892/micuintus.asc Fingerprint:1A15 A480 1F8B 07F6 9D12 3426 CEFE 7455 E4CB 4E80 <<> https://wiki.c3d2.de/Benutzer:Micuintus ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: > Curious. I like my N800 since I finally got everything I wanted running. > > However, the N900 clearly has some way to go before it would interest me. > I'm unclear why it was necessary to break so much that was working in OS2008 > in order to make Maemo5, although I'm sure the developers had their reasons. > > Maemo5 is clearly an experimental platform, whereas OS2008 is (now) a usable > tool -- in its turn the N800 platform was to some extent an experiment when > it came out. Maemo5 does not seem to have learned as much from the N800 > experience, though, which is a pity. Maybe in a few years I'll be able to > afford an N900... > > ///Peter Maemo4 is fine as long as you don't want to do anything serious or are capable of writing your own apps. All of the apps that work really well are things that you can do with pretty much *any* device (games and other fluff). The more critical apps have too many bugs and miss too much functionality; e.g. mapping apps don't navigate (contrary to one of the main selling points of the NITs), PIMs don't import/export worth a flip and/or don't support enough fields (vCard just doesn't cut it), getting root access (which is critical in any *nix system) is a PITA and never works the same way twice (meaning getting it to work again after an OS reflash -- which is periodically mandatory), and on and on. The truth is that they never really finished OS2008 before giving up on it completely and concentrating on Maemo5. Mer *might* be an option someday if it doesn't fragment and get abandoned like most other such projects. With so many more interesting devices coming along, I'm not holding my breath. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
Mark wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Aldon Hynes wrote: I'm with Timo on this. If you don't like the N900, there is a better site to be posting on. It is called eBay. When you post your N900 there, let us know, some of us might respond more favorably there. Aldon I wasn't stupid enough to buy an N900 after being ripped off with my N800. The N800 will get thrown in a drawer tomorrow when my Nexus One arrives. I'll probably tinker with it now and then, but since the only thing it does really well is browse the Web, I'm not going to put any more major effort into it. Curious. I like my N800 since I finally got everything I wanted running. However, the N900 clearly has some way to go before it would interest me. I'm unclear why it was necessary to break so much that was working in OS2008 in order to make Maemo5, although I'm sure the developers had their reasons. Maemo5 is clearly an experimental platform, whereas OS2008 is (now) a usable tool -- in its turn the N800 platform was to some extent an experiment when it came out. Maemo5 does not seem to have learned as much from the N800 experience, though, which is a pity. Maybe in a few years I'll be able to afford an N900... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
Timo Pelkonen wrote: Is there a way to ignore people within maemo mailing lists? procmail is your friend... *plonk* ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Mark wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Andre Klapper >> wrote: Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 17:34:53 schrieb Mark: > > Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature > involved. As if no one will miss the feature... >>> >>> Many people don't understand why there is a second application menu >>> level instead of just scrolling down in the first one. Me neither. >>> Enjoy being probably the only person missing it. >>> >> >> Because some people appreciate organization more than others. However, >> since it apparently isn't configurable, that makes the point moot. > > It is about as configurable as can be, only not using a GUI. > See here for details: > http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=442281&postcount=5 > > -- > Matan. > > Oh, yeah, that's really user-friendly. >:-( I've pulled my hair out for the last time trying to make sense of config files that are hundreds of lines long and poorly commented/documented. Navit has so much potential, but the configuration is worse than pulling teeth, and inexplicable gaping holes in the map data make it all but useless. Wake up, people! GUI config just isn't that hard, especially when compared to manually editing config files, and it also prevents a single mistyped character from screwing everything up. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Mark wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 17:34:53 schrieb Mark: Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature involved. As if no one will miss the feature... Many people don't understand why there is a second application menu level instead of just scrolling down in the first one. Me neither. Enjoy being probably the only person missing it. Because some people appreciate organization more than others. However, since it apparently isn't configurable, that makes the point moot. It is about as configurable as can be, only not using a GUI. See here for details: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=442281&postcount=5 -- Matan. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Henrik Madsen wrote: > Dear Timo, > > As ordinary users of the N900/N810 systems we are also woundering > what the purpose of all Marks non-appropriate and very negative > comments are. Looks mostly like he is hirred by another company > just to spread negative (and wrong) impressions about the > Maemo development etc. > > BR Henrik > The purpose - as I've stated over and over again - is to wake Nokia up and get then moving in the right direction. But don't worry, that's clearly a lost cause and I'm jumping ship. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Aldon Hynes wrote: > I'm with Timo on this. If you don't like the N900, there is a better site > to be posting on. It is called eBay. When you post your N900 there, let us > know, some of us might respond more favorably there. > > Aldon > I wasn't stupid enough to buy an N900 after being ripped off with my N800. The N800 will get thrown in a drawer tomorrow when my Nexus One arrives. I'll probably tinker with it now and then, but since the only thing it does really well is browse the Web, I'm not going to put any more major effort into it. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Timo Pelkonen wrote: > Mark, why are you in this mailing list anyway? I have seen only _very_ > negative comments from you. Most of them inappropiate... > Because I keep hoping that Nokia is going to wake up and do the right thing, and that I'll finally actually be able to use my tablet the way they said it could be used. After two years of frustration following a few days of initial excitement, I'm giving up once and for all. There is now concrete proof that I've been right all along, and that I have *NOT* been asking too much. > > Is there a way to ignore people within maemo mailing lists? > > Ossipena / Timo > Elementary. Have the messages sent to your regular email and create a filter. (Further proof that you people aren't very bright...) But you won't have to bother on my account, because I just ordered a Nexus One and will be leaving this mailing list forever in short order. Sayonara suckers! Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
I'm with Timo on this. If you don't like the N900, there is a better site to be posting on. It is called eBay. When you post your N900 there, let us know, some of us might respond more favorably there. Aldon -Original Message- From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org]on Behalf Of Timo Pelkonen Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:31 PM To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ?? Mark, why are you in this mailing list anyway? I have seen only _very_ negative comments from you. Most of them inappropiate... Is there a way to ignore people within maemo mailing lists? Ossipena / Timo 2010/1/5 Mark On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Andre Klapper wrote: >> Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 17:34:53 schrieb Mark: >> > Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature >> > involved. As if no one will miss the feature... > > Many people don't understand why there is a second application menu > level instead of just scrolling down in the first one. Me neither. > Enjoy being probably the only person missing it. > Because some people appreciate organization more than others. However, since it apparently isn't configurable, that makes the point moot. Maemo4 has a second level in the application menus and it works beautifully. I very much prefer two levels of menu over having to scroll for days to find the app I want. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
Dear Timo, As ordinary users of the N900/N810 systems we are also woundering what the purpose of all Marks non-appropriate and very negative comments are. Looks mostly like he is hirred by another company just to spread negative (and wrong) impressions about the Maemo development etc. BR Henrik On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 10:31:04PM +0200, Timo Pelkonen wrote: > Mark, why are you in this mailing list anyway? I have seen only _very_ > negative comments from you. Most of them inappropiate... > > Is there a way to ignore people within maemo mailing lists? > > Ossipena / Timo > > 2010/1/5 Mark > > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Andre Klapper > > wrote: > > >> Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 17:34:53 schrieb Mark: > > >> > Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature > > >> > involved. As if no one will miss the feature... > > > > > > Many people don't understand why there is a second application menu > > > level instead of just scrolling down in the first one. Me neither. > > > Enjoy being probably the only person missing it. > > > > > > > Because some people appreciate organization more than others. However, > > since it apparently isn't configurable, that makes the point moot. > > > > Maemo4 has a second level in the application menus and it works > > beautifully. I very much prefer two levels of menu over having to > > scroll for days to find the app I want. > > > > Mark > > ___ > > maemo-users mailing list > > maemo-users@maemo.org > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- ___ Henrik Madsen Phone : (+45) 45 25 34 08 Informatics and Mathematical Modelling, Fax : (+45) 45 88 26 73 Technical University of Denmark,E-Mail : h...@imm.dtu.dk Building 321 DK-2800 Lyngby Denmark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
iPhone/Andriod(Nexus One)/N900 ... was possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop
Looking at the specs of the Nexus One, I see that it has a Qualcomm 1Ghz processor. That looks nice. 5 megapixel camera, same as N900. 512M Flash, 512M RAM and 4GB Micro SD. The extra ram is nice, but the lack of disk space is a concern to me. It has a digital compass, which is nice. Does not have stero speakers builtin, that's too bad. So, as hardware it has some pluses and some minuses. In terms of the OS, I don't know people who have done any Android hacking, so I can't talk about how easy it is to really tweak the machine. iPhone isn't bad in this area, if you jailbreak it. But in terms of customizability, the N900 is still the tops as far as I can tell. (The FreeRunner probably beats the N900 in that category, but severely lags in the hardware). Many of my friends love their iPhones and will stay with them. I can see Nexus One drawing off some iPhone users, and perhaps even more WinMobile users. However, most of the people that I know that like the N900, I believe, will still be drawn to the N900 over the Nexus One. To me, it seems to be very much a question of how much you want someone else to control your phone and how much you want to be in control of the phone yourself. Personally, I prefer to be able to get in and fix bugs myself instead of waiting for large corporation to do it. So, my biggest gripe with the N900 is that it isn't as open source as I would like, even though it is much more open than any other phone out there (again, with the exception of the FreeRunner, which I don't believe is viable). Aldon -Original Message- From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org Oh... so it's just another case of Nokia's OS (never mind the shipped apps) not being ready for release, well after the device has started shipping to clueless consumers... Yeah, that's better >:-( But the Nexus One is shipping today. Sayonara, Nokia!! http://www.google.com/phone Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
Mark, why are you in this mailing list anyway? I have seen only _very_ negative comments from you. Most of them inappropiate... Is there a way to ignore people within maemo mailing lists? Ossipena / Timo 2010/1/5 Mark > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Andre Klapper > wrote: > >> Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 17:34:53 schrieb Mark: > >> > Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature > >> > involved. As if no one will miss the feature... > > > > Many people don't understand why there is a second application menu > > level instead of just scrolling down in the first one. Me neither. > > Enjoy being probably the only person missing it. > > > > Because some people appreciate organization more than others. However, > since it apparently isn't configurable, that makes the point moot. > > Maemo4 has a second level in the application menus and it works > beautifully. I very much prefer two levels of menu over having to > scroll for days to find the app I want. > > Mark > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Andre Klapper wrote: >> Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 17:34:53 schrieb Mark: >> > Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature >> > involved. As if no one will miss the feature... > > Many people don't understand why there is a second application menu > level instead of just scrolling down in the first one. Me neither. > Enjoy being probably the only person missing it. > Because some people appreciate organization more than others. However, since it apparently isn't configurable, that makes the point moot. Maemo4 has a second level in the application menus and it works beautifully. I very much prefer two levels of menu over having to scroll for days to find the app I want. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
> Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 17:34:53 schrieb Mark: > > Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature > > involved. As if no one will miss the feature... Many people don't understand why there is a second application menu level instead of just scrolling down in the first one. Me neither. Enjoy being probably the only person missing it. Am Dienstag, den 05.01.2010, 20:51 +0100 schrieb Johas: > The not configurable Symbian-like application menu is certainly not one of > maemo's features, and replacing the annoying second level by a better usable > menu solution is one of the "bugfixes" I am eagerly waiting for. So it is > more > the other way around... ;) Both is currently being worked on for Maemo5: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5349 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5743 andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Johas wrote: > Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 17:34:53 schrieb Mark: >> Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature >> involved. As if no one will miss the feature... >> >> Mark > > The not configurable Symbian-like application menu is certainly not one of > maemo's features, and replacing the annoying second level by a better usable > menu solution is one of the "bugfixes" I am eagerly waiting for. So it is more > the other way around... ;) > > Johas > Oh... so it's just another case of Nokia's OS (never mind the shipped apps) not being ready for release, well after the device has started shipping to clueless consumers... Yeah, that's better >:-( But the Nexus One is shipping today. Sayonara, Nokia!! http://www.google.com/phone Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
The not configurable Symbian-like application menu is certainly not one of maemo's features, and replacing the annoying second level by a better usable menu solution is one of the "bugfixes" I am eagerly waiting for. So it is more the other way around... ;) Johas Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 17:34:53 schrieb Mark: > Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature > involved. As if no one will miss the feature... > > Mark > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
2010/1/5 Kimmo Hämäläinen : > Hi, > > On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 18:36 +0100, ext Alessio Stella wrote: >> I tried N900 at a Nokia Point and I found a possible bug (resellers >> "solved" it by switching off and on the device): >> I opened on the top left the page with all main applications icons >> then I clicked to the right bottom "Other" (that was "Altre" in >> Italian but i guess it's other or "Other Applications" in English) >> which opened a second page of scrollable icons (like Chess for >> instance..) >> >> then i played a little around and closed windows and went back to the >> page with a second list of icons and I found out that this second list >> of icons was on top of the first list, causing an annoying >> justapposition where the first icons were not clicckable, and we >> couldn't find a way to solve it except switching off the devic > > This is one of our oldest bugs, several months old. The reasons why > it's not fixed is that it hasn't been systematically reproducable and so > the "fixes" have been verified just because it happens so rarely. Some > of these fixes might help to your case, but we still don't know if the > problem is completely fixed. However, the problem will become > unrelevant at some point because the second level is being removed from > the UI. > > -Kimmo > Beautiful. :-/ The "solution" to a bug is to just remove the feature involved. As if no one will miss the feature... Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Slow writes from linux to N900 in USB Mass Storage Mode
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 09:48 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: >> 2010/1/5 Kimmo Hämäläinen : >> > Hi, >> > >> > On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 22:38 +0100, ext Paul Hartman wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I'm using linux kernel 2.6.32 on my PC and mount N900 in mass storage >> >> mode using vfat (async). >> >> >> >> If I write one file then sync/umount, write speed is about 17MB/sec, >> >> same as I get on Windows Vista. However, if I write more than one file >> >> and then sync/umount, speed is terrible, around 2MB/sec (and in kernel >> >> 2.6.31 that speed was about 450kb/sec using the old pdflush code). So >> >> it seems linux is maybe creating multiple write streams and N900 >> >> doesn't deal with that well at all. >> > >> > There has been some USB speed-ups since the sales release, but I'm not >> > sure if they fix this multiple file copying problem. I think it's best >> > to file a bug to maemo.org, so Maemo kernel guys get the word (I think >> > too few of them read this mailing list). >> >> Done. Will also post to LKML in case it's a general problem with linux >> i/o scheduler on the PC side. >> >> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7677 > > I don't think LKML will appreciate debugging a problem in a kernel with > closed-source components. I posted to LKML in case it's a problem with the linux kernel on my PC, not the kernel on N900. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Slow writes from linux to N900 in USB Mass Storage Mode
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Xavier Bestel wrote: > I don't think LKML will appreciate debugging a problem in a kernel with > closed-source components. I don´t think what you say matters, at all. Let´s post the problem first, see what happens later, when/if it happens. AFAIK Nokia complies with the GPL and provides kernel source code. http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Slow writes from linux to N900 in USB Mass Storage Mode
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 09:48 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: > 2010/1/5 Kimmo Hämäläinen : > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 22:38 +0100, ext Paul Hartman wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm using linux kernel 2.6.32 on my PC and mount N900 in mass storage > >> mode using vfat (async). > >> > >> If I write one file then sync/umount, write speed is about 17MB/sec, > >> same as I get on Windows Vista. However, if I write more than one file > >> and then sync/umount, speed is terrible, around 2MB/sec (and in kernel > >> 2.6.31 that speed was about 450kb/sec using the old pdflush code). So > >> it seems linux is maybe creating multiple write streams and N900 > >> doesn't deal with that well at all. > > > > There has been some USB speed-ups since the sales release, but I'm not > > sure if they fix this multiple file copying problem. I think it's best > > to file a bug to maemo.org, so Maemo kernel guys get the word (I think > > too few of them read this mailing list). > > Done. Will also post to LKML in case it's a general problem with linux > i/o scheduler on the PC side. > > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7677 I don't think LKML will appreciate debugging a problem in a kernel with closed-source components. Xav ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Slow writes from linux to N900 in USB Mass Storage Mode
2010/1/5 Kimmo Hämäläinen : > Hi, > > On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 22:38 +0100, ext Paul Hartman wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm using linux kernel 2.6.32 on my PC and mount N900 in mass storage >> mode using vfat (async). >> >> If I write one file then sync/umount, write speed is about 17MB/sec, >> same as I get on Windows Vista. However, if I write more than one file >> and then sync/umount, speed is terrible, around 2MB/sec (and in kernel >> 2.6.31 that speed was about 450kb/sec using the old pdflush code). So >> it seems linux is maybe creating multiple write streams and N900 >> doesn't deal with that well at all. > > There has been some USB speed-ups since the sales release, but I'm not > sure if they fix this multiple file copying problem. I think it's best > to file a bug to maemo.org, so Maemo kernel guys get the word (I think > too few of them read this mailing list). Done. Will also post to LKML in case it's a general problem with linux i/o scheduler on the PC side. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7677 Thanks Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Slow writes from linux to N900 in USB Mass Storage Mode
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Timo Pelkonen wrote: > > > 5. tammikuuta 2010 13.29 Kimmo Hämäläinen > kirjoitti: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 22:38 +0100, ext Paul Hartman wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I'm using linux kernel 2.6.32 on my PC and mount N900 in mass storage >> > mode using vfat (async). >> > >> > If I write one file then sync/umount, write speed is about 17MB/sec, >> > same as I get on Windows Vista. However, if I write more than one file >> > and then sync/umount, speed is terrible, around 2MB/sec (and in kernel >> > 2.6.31 that speed was about 450kb/sec using the old pdflush code). So >> > it seems linux is maybe creating multiple write streams and N900 >> > doesn't deal with that well at all. >> >> There has been some USB speed-ups since the sales release, but I'm not >> sure if they fix this multiple file copying problem. I think it's best >> to file a bug to maemo.org, so Maemo kernel guys get the word (I think >> too few of them read this mailing list). >> >> -Kimmo >> >> > Size doesn't seem to matter, copying one 1gb file followed by sync is >> > around 8 times faster than copying 2 500gb files followed by sync. In >> > other words, as long as every single file copy is followed immediately >> > by sync before moving on to the next file, speed is fine. If more than >> > 1 file is copied before sync, it's bad. >> > >> > Does anyone else experience the same problem or have any ideas how to >> > solve it? I'm no USB guru an every other USB device I have seems to >> > work properly and at full speed. dmesg shows no messages (on PC) and >> > it is running USB 2.0 etc. >> > >> > So far my only workaround is to copy/sync/copy/sync/copy/sync but >> > that's annoying. However, the difference of taking 1 minute to write >> > 1gb versus taking 20 minutes to write 1gb is also annoying. >> > >> > Thanks :) >> > > I suggest you try to change your settings in linux first > http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=453521&postcount=24 > Ossipena / Timo Thanks Timo, I actually wrote that post :) Sorry I forgot to follow-up here. Yes, it seems CFQ for whatever reason is really slow with N900 (for me). I don't know who is to "blame" (scheduler, vfat, n900, flash memory, usb mass storage drivers...) but I'm happy to find a work-around... and happy for modular i/o schedulers in linux :) Thanks Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: combining standard PIM and GPE PIM
Hi Johnas, Johas schrieb: is it possible to make the GPE PIM apps use the same data resources as the Maemo 5 standard PIM? I would like to use the standard calendar app for adding new events but prefer the GPE desktop widget. So what I want is the GPE widget showing data I added with the standard suite. maybe it is a good idea also ask for that in the gpe mailing list too: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpe-list Ciao Uwe -- Uwe Kaminski Mail: ju...@ju-key.de Web: http://internettabletblog.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
combining standard PIM and GPE PIM
Hi, is it possible to make the GPE PIM apps use the same data resources as the Maemo 5 standard PIM? I would like to use the standard calendar app for adding new events but prefer the GPE desktop widget. So what I want is the GPE widget showing data I added with the standard suite. Johas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
About Media player
Hi, How can I integrate a media player with my Qt application, can anybody suggest media player which is easy to integrate. can anybody help me regarding this. thanks ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
Hi, On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 18:36 +0100, ext Alessio Stella wrote: > I tried N900 at a Nokia Point and I found a possible bug (resellers > "solved" it by switching off and on the device): > I opened on the top left the page with all main applications icons > then I clicked to the right bottom "Other" (that was "Altre" in > Italian but i guess it's other or "Other Applications" in English) > which opened a second page of scrollable icons (like Chess for > instance..) > > then i played a little around and closed windows and went back to the > page with a second list of icons and I found out that this second list > of icons was on top of the first list, causing an annoying > justapposition where the first icons were not clicckable, and we > couldn't find a way to solve it except switching off the devic This is one of our oldest bugs, several months old. The reasons why it's not fixed is that it hasn't been systematically reproducable and so the "fixes" have been verified just because it happens so rarely. Some of these fixes might help to your case, but we still don't know if the problem is completely fixed. However, the problem will become unrelevant at some point because the second level is being removed from the UI. -Kimmo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Slow writes from linux to N900 in USB Mass Storage Mode
5. tammikuuta 2010 13.29 Kimmo Hämäläinen kirjoitti: > Hi, > > On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 22:38 +0100, ext Paul Hartman wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm using linux kernel 2.6.32 on my PC and mount N900 in mass storage > > mode using vfat (async). > > > > If I write one file then sync/umount, write speed is about 17MB/sec, > > same as I get on Windows Vista. However, if I write more than one file > > and then sync/umount, speed is terrible, around 2MB/sec (and in kernel > > 2.6.31 that speed was about 450kb/sec using the old pdflush code). So > > it seems linux is maybe creating multiple write streams and N900 > > doesn't deal with that well at all. > > There has been some USB speed-ups since the sales release, but I'm not > sure if they fix this multiple file copying problem. I think it's best > to file a bug to maemo.org, so Maemo kernel guys get the word (I think > too few of them read this mailing list). > > -Kimmo > > > Size doesn't seem to matter, copying one 1gb file followed by sync is > > around 8 times faster than copying 2 500gb files followed by sync. In > > other words, as long as every single file copy is followed immediately > > by sync before moving on to the next file, speed is fine. If more than > > 1 file is copied before sync, it's bad. > > > > Does anyone else experience the same problem or have any ideas how to > > solve it? I'm no USB guru an every other USB device I have seems to > > work properly and at full speed. dmesg shows no messages (on PC) and > > it is running USB 2.0 etc. > > > > So far my only workaround is to copy/sync/copy/sync/copy/sync but > > that's annoying. However, the difference of taking 1 minute to write > > 1gb versus taking 20 minutes to write 1gb is also annoying. > > > > Thanks :) > > I suggest you try to change your settings in linux first http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=453521&postcount=24 Ossipena / Timo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Slow writes from linux to N900 in USB Mass Storage Mode
Hi, On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 22:38 +0100, ext Paul Hartman wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using linux kernel 2.6.32 on my PC and mount N900 in mass storage > mode using vfat (async). > > If I write one file then sync/umount, write speed is about 17MB/sec, > same as I get on Windows Vista. However, if I write more than one file > and then sync/umount, speed is terrible, around 2MB/sec (and in kernel > 2.6.31 that speed was about 450kb/sec using the old pdflush code). So > it seems linux is maybe creating multiple write streams and N900 > doesn't deal with that well at all. There has been some USB speed-ups since the sales release, but I'm not sure if they fix this multiple file copying problem. I think it's best to file a bug to maemo.org, so Maemo kernel guys get the word (I think too few of them read this mailing list). -Kimmo > Size doesn't seem to matter, copying one 1gb file followed by sync is > around 8 times faster than copying 2 500gb files followed by sync. In > other words, as long as every single file copy is followed immediately > by sync before moving on to the next file, speed is fine. If more than > 1 file is copied before sync, it's bad. > > Does anyone else experience the same problem or have any ideas how to > solve it? I'm no USB guru an every other USB device I have seems to > work properly and at full speed. dmesg shows no messages (on PC) and > it is running USB 2.0 etc. > > So far my only workaround is to copy/sync/copy/sync/copy/sync but > that's annoying. However, the difference of taking 1 minute to write > 1gb versus taking 20 minutes to write 1gb is also annoying. > > Thanks :) > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
maemo.org mailing moved to new servers
Hi, After a bit of unexpected struggle Niels and myself got the mail services moved to the new servers. Thanks Niels for the help! Some emails you sent during the last one hour or so might have got "lost". They are somewhere on a relay server (not in our hands) and may never end up on the lists server. If this is the case then I would kindly ask you to re-post those mails and I also apologize for the inconvenience. Otherwise hope the new servers will serve the mail traffic just fine. ferenc -- maemo.org sysadmin, developer email: fer...@maemo.org ps: yeah, sorry for cross posting ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: [Pc-connectivity-devel] Help with Maemo Virtual Image Install Documentation
Hi, > -Original Message- > From: Vollmer Marius (Nokia-D/Helsinki) > Subject: Re: [Pc-connectivity-devel] Help with Maemo Virtual Image > Install Documentation > > "Tikka Jarmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki)" writes: > > >> > We have a problem that most standard compression tools have > >> > restriction about 2GB max file size. > >> > >> Time to post an old favorite of mine again: > >> > >> http://braid-game.com/news/?p=455 > >> > >> The first rant is about the Visual Studio 2010 community technology > >> preview. Very funny and even kinda relevant. :-) > > > > [jot] I still do not understand any better why you wanted to send > this > > same link and comment (again :) as reply to my email. > > I have posted it again because I like the rant a lot and want to share > it as much as possible. I did this as a reply to your email because > you > are producing the same kind of (IMO) monstrosity that they make fun of > in the podcast: shipping a development environment as a humongous > virtual machine image. > > I know that our virtual machine image is just one of the alternatives, > and not the main way to install and run our development environment, > but > still, I found the similarity between it and what Microsoft has done to > be striking. [jot] So your opinion is that we do not need this Virtual Image and it should not be done? I think Virtual Image is used or will be used as much as native installation of sbox and Maemo SDK and even on Linux PCs... > > > Especially when you say in your comment that your reply is not > > relevant? > > Hmm, which comment? I said here that it is "even kinda relevant". > "kinda" is short for "kind of" and roughly means here "it is not > entirely irrelevant". [jot] Sorry, you really said that your comment is "kinda relevant" but I meant that I did not see any relevancy :) Cheers, //Jarmo > > Hth. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: [Pc-connectivity-devel] Help with Maemo Virtual Image Install Documentation
Hi, > -Original Message- > From: pc-connectivity-devel-boun...@garage.maemo.org [mailto:pc- > connectivity-devel-boun...@garage.maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext R. G. > Newbury > Subject: Re: [Pc-connectivity-devel] Help with Maemo Virtual Image > Install Documentation > > Jarmo, > Thanks for the constructive reply. > My further comments in-line, with lots of extraneous stuff deleted. > > Geoff > > jarmo.ti...@nokia.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > And thanks a lot about Maemo SDK Virtual Image feedback. I added also > another mailing list into this response (people constructing our images > read more that list). > > > >> in a virtualbox, but man it was FRUSTRATING. > > > > Great that you actually explained below why you were frustrated :) so > that we can comment and even fix issues. > > > > That was the exact point. It DID work, but I spent a couple of hours > trying various combinations of stuff, including creating virtuals in > VirtualBox because what I was trying did not work (This, despite the > fact that the documentation strongly implied that I did not have to do > that. It was correct, but I was doing the wrong things. [jot] We are working on right now to get final Desktop SDK Virtual Image done. Target is that Ubuntu Desktop based image is out-of-the-box ready image for Maemo Fremantle and Diablo development but unfortunately user still must install it and somewhat also configure network for it. Simply because it is impossible to support all possible combinations for Windows/Mac/Linux/... operating system, VMWare/VitualBox/QEMU virtualization technologies and possible network configurations (like network proxy or not) users have foer their environments. [jot] For the final image we plan to have short installation and configuration guide to handle most common issues how to get started with Desktop image. > > > >> > >> > >> I downloaded > >> Maemo_PreFinal_2_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Spli > > tted.zip.001 > >> and ...002. (And then I then had to find, build and install > 7zip.) > >> > >> I ran 7za x Maemo.001 and it ran. I tried to do the same > >> for ...002 and got a 'Not an archive' error. I had no idea if > >> 7za dealt with both files serially, or if the file was corrupt. > >> > >> A little explanation in the documentation would be helpful. > >> How about telling us what the proper result will be? > >> > >> "7Za will serially extract the split numbered zip files, and report: > >> 'Everything is Ok > >> > >> Files: 5 > >> Size: 8453907228 > >> Compressed: 1572864000'" > > > > We have a problem that most standard compression tools have > restriction about 2GB max file size. Compression tools I know which are > commonly available and cabable of handling > 2GB archives are 7-Zip and > WinZip. Because 7-Zip is free and available also for Linux we decided > to use it for compression. 7-Zip is cabable of creating compatible zip > format with other tools (like WinZip) but splitted archives are not > compatible. > > > > Why we then use splited archives :). Well our download page for image > distribution archive files has been implemented with PHP and PHP seems > to have that same max file size limit. Actually PHP limit sems to be > for some odd reason smaller than 2 GB. > > I thought that that might be the reason for splitting the files. I > didn't particularly mind finding and installing 7zip. What bothered me > was that I had no idea of what the process was, or what the result > *should* be. And you already know that, so you could have told me! [jot] There are very simple instructions in Desktop image readme file available as separate file from our download page (e.g. readable BEFORE decompressing archieve :) but I agree we need to do this better for final image. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Readme_PreFinal_2_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image.txt > > >> Then we run the installer script, which is a fun guessing > >> game. It asks for information without the slightest hint as to > >> the expected response and uses misleading names for the > >> information. HOW ABOUT A HINT? > >> "Location of VirtualBox binaries (normally /usr/bin)?" > >> > >> Then it asks for "The name of your VirtualBox Image." Off the > >> bat, I thought that was the name of the image file. But what > >> is wanted is not actually the name of the file, but a name > >> under which your virtual instance will appear in the Manager. > >> It has nothing to do with the name of the vdmk file. A short > >> alias is what is wanted. Of course, I inserted the name of the > >> file: maemosdk_desktop_intrepid-10-08.vmdk. Since I had > >> already manually created a virtual instance, I now had 3 > >> instances (including the pre-existing WinXP), one of which had > >> an unreadable name, due to its length. > >> How about: > >> > >> "Please provide a (short) name for this virtual instance. This > >> name will appear in the list of virtual instances in the > >>
