Re: N900 Temperature Question
I guess I should have said I don't use WiFi; I am using T-Mobile's data connection in the US. --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Nils Faerber nils.faer...@kernelconcepts.de wrote: From: Nils Faerber nils.faer...@kernelconcepts.de Subject: Re: N900 Temperature Question To: Tim Ashman t...@ashmans.net Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 11:18 AM Tim Ashman schrieb: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 07:43:56 am Chris Vail wrote: A couple of times I have listened to one of my favorite streaming radio programs on my N900. Each time I listened until the battery was used up (neither time did I start with a full charge), and I noticed that the N900 was rather warm. Now, I listen with the unit in my shirt pocket and with the ear plugs plugged in. My shirt pocket has other plastic cards in it. and a sweater over it, so the unit is not getting much air circulation. So, I am wondering, am I exceeding the heat specs for the unit by doing this? Would I have a problem if I started with a fully charged battery, and ran for more than an hour or two? If I plugged in the power cable and had the N900 on a desk in front of me while I listened, should I expect the unit to be cooler over a long period of time? TIA for your attention. My n900 gets very warm on the left side when I stream or download for a long time. It never feels like it is about to melt or anything so I've just assumed this was fine. It is never so warm or hot that I can't hold it. All of this is pretty normal. WiFi can eat quite some energy depending on what you do and how far away you are from your access point and configuration of the access point. The power amplifier in the WiFi module itself and the corresponding regulators in the device all carry a certain amount of energy loss, getting more the more energy is going through them - pretty normal. Nothing to worry about... But it show quite clearly that WiFi on battery is not ideal for long term continous use liek streaming audio, except you have a power adapter attached ;) PS: Try the same use-case with a HTC-G1 (aka Android Dream) - this gets *really* warm toward the lower end where the power plug located - presuably also the spot where the voltage regulators are located... excessive use (charging + high power WiFi) even caused G1s to slightly melt the plastic cover... tim Cheers nils -- kernel concepts GbR Tel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48 Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 http://www.kernelconcepts.de ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: problem with App manager
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 22:31 +0100, ext daniel young wrote: Ok so i already sent this out but it kind of got hijacked by somebody else with a different problem. Anyways, I haven't been able to update or install a new app for a few weeks now. When I go into the application list it just says no applications available. this is what it says in the log: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists.new/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) E: Unable to lock the list directory I have no idea what to do about it. What i got before is that some of the dev. apps that i installed filled up my root drive to much and something bad happened. any help is greatly appreciated. It looks like this /var/lib/apt/lists.new directory is a temporary directory that is created to replace /var/lib/apt/lists after refreshing the repos. You can probably just rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists.new and then start Application Manager and refresh the repos again to recover. Maybe the directory was left there because of a crash or something else... -Kimmo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
How to resize the GPE Summary applet?
Hi all, I'm using GPE Summary in my new N900 and I can't figure out how to resize the applet on the desktop, although in Diablo it was quite easy. Does any body know how to do it? Thanks in advance, Alejandro. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 Temperature Question
Chris Vail schrieb: I guess I should have said I don't use WiFi; I am using T-Mobile's data connection in the US. Almost the same, can even be worse because GSM/3G *can* suck even more power, depending on how far you are away from the next base station. Cheers nils -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 http://www.kernelconcepts.de ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n900 - buy or wait?
Hi, Let ask my question in a different way ;) If I can somehow afford to pay $530 (Amazon) for n900 now, is it really worth the money ? Thanks, Val On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Valentin Chopov val...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! I personally think that n900 is too small to be used as a tablet. I hope until the end of this year we see other linux based tablets/phones. Val On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Tim Ashman t...@ashmans.net wrote: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 08:09:09 am Marius Gedminas wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:05:31PM -0800, Valentin Chopov wrote: I'm a current n810 owner and like it very much. I was thinking to upgrade to n900 (maybe around Christmas) but now after the news about MeeGo I think it will be better to wait ... It's up to you, really, but as a former n810 owner myself I have to say the n900 is a very substantial upgrade. I wouldn't want to go back. I have to agree here. It is alot of money and with all of the swirling that goes on around Maemo5, 6 Meego etc I might be buying another unit next year that will depend on the features of the new units. The only thing I wish worked that doesn't on the n900 is the x forwarding oh, and I wish I had the older keyboard layout. I think the 3 rows isn't enough, some things are very difficult to enter like an IP address since the numbers are blue and the decimal point isn't... Anyway over all it is a great unit and I would not go back. tim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: n900 - buy or wait?
Val, (et al) For years, I had a Motorola Razr V3xx. It has been a wonderful legacy cellphone, and my wife still uses one. I've watched smartphones come and go over the time. I didn't buy a blackberry. I didn't buy an iPhone. I didn't by the iPhone 3GS when it came out, but I came close. Same sort of thing was the androids started showing up. However, last December, I bought a Nokia N900. I love it. I use it as a phone, including making Skype calls. I use it to text and to chat. I use it as my camera and I stream video on it. The 5 Megapixel camera is great. As a hacker, I love getting under the covers and writing code for it as well as exploring the OS, hacking and installing strange apps. For me, it has definately been worth the money. I can't say if it will be worth it to you. It depends on what you want to get out of the device that you're not getting right now from your current devices. But, as I said, for me, it has been well worth $530 (or that range). Aldon http://www.orient-lodge.com/N900 -Original Message- From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org]on Behalf Of Valentin Chopov Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:15 PM Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: n900 - buy or wait? Hi, Let ask my question in a different way ;) If I can somehow afford to pay $530 (Amazon) for n900 now, is it really worth the money ? Thanks, Val On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Valentin Chopov val...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! I personally think that n900 is too small to be used as a tablet. I hope until the end of this year we see other linux based tablets/phones. Val On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Tim Ashman t...@ashmans.net wrote: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 08:09:09 am Marius Gedminas wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:05:31PM -0800, Valentin Chopov wrote: I'm a current n810 owner and like it very much. I was thinking to upgrade to n900 (maybe around Christmas) but now after the news about MeeGo I think it will be better to wait ... It's up to you, really, but as a former n810 owner myself I have to say the n900 is a very substantial upgrade. I wouldn't want to go back. I have to agree here. It is alot of money and with all of the swirling that goes on around Maemo5, 6 Meego etc I might be buying another unit next year that will depend on the features of the new units. The only thing I wish worked that doesn't on the n900 is the x forwarding oh, and I wish I had the older keyboard layout. I think the 3 rows isn't enough, some things are very difficult to enter like an IP address since the numbers are blue and the decimal point isn't... Anyway over all it is a great unit and I would not go back. tim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n900 - buy or wait?
On 18 February 2010 20:00, Aldon Hynes aldon.hy...@orient-lodge.com wrote: Val, (et al) For years, I had a Motorola Razr V3xx. It has been a wonderful legacy cellphone, and my wife still uses one. I've watched smartphones come and go over the time. I didn't buy a blackberry. I didn't buy an iPhone. I didn't by the iPhone 3GS when it came out, but I came close. Same sort of thing was the androids started showing up. However, last December, I bought a Nokia N900. I love it. I use it as a phone, including making Skype calls. I use it to text and to chat. I use it as my camera and I stream video on it. The 5 Megapixel camera is great. As a hacker, I love getting under the covers and writing code for it as well as exploring the OS, hacking and installing strange apps. For me it's the phone openness that simply rocks: As a user you aren't locked in in any case, there's no app store as the only choice to install apps, and if you want to, you get access to nearly everything on the phone. Some of the features are rather limited, it comes for example with just two profiles, but I guess that this will be improved later on. The multimedia features are good, I like the standard media player, and others are available as well. It plays a large variety of different formats, and when you want to you can stream your favorite internet radio station directly to your cars radio using the phones FM transmitter. :D I use the camera nearly on a daily basis and love to tag the photos and upload them to either flickr or facebook in one go. Using the web browser is great, if you ever used one on a smartphone with a smaller screen you wouldn't want to look back... For me, it has definately been worth the money. I can't say if it will be worth it to you. It depends on what you want to get out of the device that you're not getting right now from your current devices. But, as I said, for me, it has been well worth $530 (or that range). Agreed. I paid the $530 willingly, it not only got me a phone, but all the freedom I could think of. I do hope that MeeGo will work out, and that Maemo 6 will either be available for this phone without limitation, or that maemo 6 apps will be at least backwards compatible. On the other hand maemo.org is a community that is around for some time now, so I think that the N900 will be even useful after two years when other handsets are rendered unusable by its successor. What I've gathered so far on these lists looks quite promising. HTH Christian Walther ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Not enough memory
Nelson Ferreira wrote: 4. Allow for the package cache to be out of rootfs I did not receive my recently ordered N900 so far, but can't you transparently move the apt cache (and other larger directories) somewhere else using a bind mount? I'd assume most things in /var/cache, /var/spool (if it exists) and /var/lib do not need to reside on the / partition. Greetings, Gunter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: problem with App manager
no dice. any other ideas othder then reflashing the device On 2/18/10, Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 22:31 +0100, ext daniel young wrote: Ok so i already sent this out but it kind of got hijacked by somebody else with a different problem. Anyways, I haven't been able to update or install a new app for a few weeks now. When I go into the application list it just says no applications available. this is what it says in the log: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists.new/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) E: Unable to lock the list directory I have no idea what to do about it. What i got before is that some of the dev. apps that i installed filled up my root drive to much and something bad happened. any help is greatly appreciated. It looks like this /var/lib/apt/lists.new directory is a temporary directory that is created to replace /var/lib/apt/lists after refreshing the repos. You can probably just rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists.new and then start Application Manager and refresh the repos again to recover. Maybe the directory was left there because of a crash or something else... -Kimmo -- DY ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: problem with App manager
(Disclaimer: I've not yet received my N900, so I've no idea of how it works internally. ;) Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote: (...) E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists.new/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) (...) of the dev. apps that i installed filled up my root drive to much and something bad happened. any help is greatly appreciated. It looks like this /var/lib/apt/lists.new directory is a temporary directory that is created to replace /var/lib/apt/lists after refreshing the repos. You can probably just rm -rf However, the error message sounds more as if creating the directory fails for some reason. Daniel, is there sufficient free space on your root partition? What does /var/lib/apt look like (cd /var/lib/apt ls -la .)? However, if the rootfs space exhaustion was so bad it broke apt, it might have caused other trouble as well... Greetings, Gunter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Not enough memory
Yes, moving the package cache and other parts of the packaging system out of rootfs works great. It is, perhaps, a little geeky for some users, but for those comfortable with root access at a command line it is trivial. I wrote about it in a blog post when the last big set of upgrades came out #n900 updates http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/3920 In my case, I have tons of junk so I moved three directories, /var/lib/apt /var/lib/dpkg /var/cache/apt I haven't had problems since. Aldon -Original Message- From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org]on Behalf Of Gunter Ohrner Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:16 PM To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Not enough memory Nelson Ferreira wrote: 4. Allow for the package cache to be out of rootfs I did not receive my recently ordered N900 so far, but can't you transparently move the apt cache (and other larger directories) somewhere else using a bind mount? I'd assume most things in /var/cache, /var/spool (if it exists) and /var/lib do not need to reside on the / partition. Greetings, Gunter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n900 - buy or wait?
If you're waiting for the ultimate/most advanced/most up-to-date that will never be bettered, then no..you shouldn't buy it. But you'll never buy any device if you're thinking like that. Waiting for the best consumer device is like waiting for Godot. * If you want a zillion apps *right* now - don't buy it. * If you want a device that you can use wifi, blootooth, gps, talk for 4 days straight - don't buy it. * If you want probably the best internet experience on a mobile device - buy it. * If you want a device that can seamlessly switch from wifi/3g/gprs for data calls - buy it. * If you want a device that can integrate all your IM services into your addressbook *perfectly* - buy it. * If you want a device that allows you mess/tinker/develop/create/kill/brick it - then buy it. Thanks, Bernard From my Nokia N900 :) - Original message - Hi, Let ask my question in a different way ;) If I can somehow afford to pay $530 (Amazon) for n900 now, is it really worth the money ? Thanks, Val On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Valentin Chopov val...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! I personally think that n900 is too small to be used as a tablet. I hope until the end of this year we see other linux based tablets/phones. Val On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Tim Ashman t...@ashmans.net wrote: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 08:09:09 am Marius Gedminas wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:05:31PM -0800, Valentin Chopov wrote: I'm a current n810 owner and like it very much. I was thinking to upgrade to n900 (maybe around Christmas) but now after the news about MeeGo I think it will be better to wait ... It's up to you, really, but as a former n810 owner myself I have to say the n900 is a very substantial upgrade. I wouldn't want to go back. I have to agree here. It is alot of money and with all of the swirling that goes on around Maemo5, 6 Meego etc I might be buying another unit next year that will depend on the features of the new units. The only thing I wish worked that doesn't on the n900 is the x forwarding oh, and I wish I had the older keyboard layout. I think the 3 rows isn't enough, some things are very difficult to enter like an IP address since the numbers are blue and the decimal point isn't... Anyway over all it is a great unit and I would not go back. tim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n900 - buy or wait?
die 18/02/10, ad 21h15, Bernard Tyers b...@runningwithbulls.com dixit : * If you want a device that can integrate all your IM services into your addressbook *perfectly* - buy it. Whaoo, do you mean it has an efficient PIM? Maybe it also has a cron? If so I would buy it but I'm affraid I will not... signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n900 - buy or wait?
Guys, thanks for the input. I see you all like your n900. I have an issue which is stopping me to buy it right away. Here in Vancouver, Canada, n900's 3G is not going to work with any of the GSM providers here. There is a new provider - Wind, which just started business in Canada, which most likely will support n900's 3G but I don't have an idea when they will arrive in Vancouver. And since the 3G capabilities generate a significant chunk of the n900 price, it's kind of stupid to pay for something which you might never use ... ;) Thanks again, Val ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Not enough memory
Johan Helsingius j...@julf.com wrote: one of the things that really put me off the Apple stuff is the fanboy religiousness. I'm far from a Nokia fan-boy, this being my second Nokia device owned ever. There are plenty of things I dislike about the N900, and about previous micros/tablets/phones I've owned. I'm not defending Nokia. I'm simply pointing out WHY things are the way they are, and asking that we not have this massive whine-fest every time an update comes out and people have issues because they've installed devel level software that makes it hard to update. Again, from my understanding, the flash memory is split up because it's slightly different hardware wise. The first chunk is a higher class, meaning it has faster access, while the larger chunk is slower. If that's true, it makes sense that it was partitioned out this way. (If not, why not re-partition your phone and re-flash? The tools exist, and it would be a one-time hit.) Having worked with micro devices for most of the past 20 years, I can tell you the space assigned is PLENTY for what this device is designed to do. More importantly, had the entire memory block been setup as class 6 or better, it would have likely increased the cost of the device significantly. Sorry, as someone who has been involved with first UNIX and then Linux for the last 30 years... I work in the micro controller field, and have for decades at small and large firms (including Xerox and NorTel). I won't get into the who's disc is bigger argument with you beyond that, but fair to say we're probably both qualified to talk about the issues at hand. I take no exception to saying it's a poor design choice (IN YOUR OPINION) that they didn't go with a device with full class 6 flash, and charged as much as an iPhone for their device. But coming from working with devices with 1/100th the amount of memory, I can tell you from where I sit this looks like a trivial issue. Nokia made a performance/cost trade off which software is working with the best it can. Claiming that the trade off was a poor choice is perfectly acceptable. Harping on it every time an update comes out, despite all the warnings, and having obvious solutions and work-arounds being publicly known for months now is whining. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Not enough memory
Let me preface this by saying that personally, I hope you continue to tinker with your device, in fact I encourage it _if you have the time_. It's fun to do, and does help the community if you're feeding back ideas and bugs. But if you decide to tinker with it, PLEASE don't come here and whine about what a pain it is that you have to tinker with it again before you can update to the latest firmware. It doesn't help or add to anything, and after a while just becomes annoying. Christian Walther cptsa...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that what you're saying and implying is not the attitude of the general Maemo developer I don't work for, nor claim to be affiliated with Maemo in any way. My opinions are my own. You'll note I don't even have a garage setup, so where you're getting the idea that I'm a Maemo developer, I'm not sure. What I have to think about is ... Don't put words in my mouth. I've never said extras-devel is a piece of crap. I said if you installed random software from random repositories (checking a box every time to override the system trying to warn you), that YOU are responsible for your actions. You spoke about the N900 being an ecosystem, and I simply followed your analogy noting that in an ecosystem even animals are smart enough to know how to avoid stepping in their own mess. My plan was to install the Apps I needed, to give them a try, lend helping hand An admirable thing, which I do this as well. The difference being I actually noticed and read the huge red warning label attached to the page indicating how to setup the devel repository. It clearly states that because this software is development level, it may cause problems, up to and including bricking the device. Having to make adjustments to update later clearly falls in the range of up to bricking your device. When PR1.1 came out and I needed to free up space on the rootfs, I went looking for how to do it. I simply fixed the issue, without feeling the need to post to a mailing list how terrible the device is or knock the quality control of the company releasing the software. But reality is that I have a life full of responsibilities: I see, and you think I'm an orphan, living in a care home and have no life? If you did a poll you'd find it's rare to find others here that don't have a job and/or a family to support. My N900 is much lower on the list than #3. I personally have done little development for the N900 because I work with almost identical devices every day at work. After 8 or 9 hours of work the last thing I want to do is come home and do more work on yet another micro device. I've done some tweaking, but not much coding outside of a couple scripts here an there, and writing a couple bugs or brainstorm voting. sometimes I just want to use my phone. So, you see, in my eyes installing a package is trivial, and nobody should have to check how much memory a package consumes. Wow... That's a leap if I've ever seen one. Just because you want to use your phone doesn't mean installing a package is trivial OR that you shouldn't have to check how much memory it consumes. It's like saying Sometimes I just want to drive my car. Fueling it should be free, and I should never have to look to see how much gas I have in my car. And let's not mix eggs here. We're not talking about installing a package. We're talking about updating the operating system and key components that make the whole device run. The fact that it's updateable OTA without re-flashing/installing is a testament to how far Maemo, Debian, and mobile computing has come. Most phones still update via flash upgrade, only at a customer service center, and typically nuke contact lists, downloaded apps and tones in the process. Hey $user, we packaged a few cool apps that are even shown on youtube To my knowledge, neither Nokia nor Maemo has packaged cool apps and shown them on youtube that cause your rootfs to fill up. There are lots of other groups that have, but not the people that made the device or are releasing the software updates. In fact, both explicitly go out of their way to warn you that installing anything outside of the Extras repository and/or the OVI store can seriously compromise your device, and it's ability to function, yet alone upgrade your base OS and key system components. I direct you again to the check box and warning that pops up for almost every app install. there are even Nerds out there who do not want to tinker around with their [phone]. And my eyes, they shouldn't have to. And they (and you) don't have to! You don't have to install things from devel or testing, or third party repositories. You don't have to buy a N900 for that matter. Nobody's *forcing* you to do any of this. You are *choosing* to install things, and to tinker with your phone. If you hadn't done that, the update would have worked just fine! When you choose to tinker with
How to troubleshoot: Unable to perform operation. Internal error. when merging a contact?
Hi all, Not sure if this is the proper forum, but I have a contact that when I try to do a merge, so that I eliminate a duplicate I get the message: Unable to perform operation. Internal error. Unfortunately, because I have IM fields on the contact I am not willing to delete the contact because that would _remove_ that contact from the IM servers. That leaves me in a pickle, since I have no clear information of _what_ exactly failed... Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue ? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[OT] Worry about Bada?
Just got notice of yet another linux-based mobile operating system, Samsung's Bada: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJKHU_bh_eQ http://www.bada.com/badadevices/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/samsung-wave-first-hands-on-bada-packed-and-super-fast/ Are you worried yet? :P Sorry. Couldn't resist. Best regards, Cláudio ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [OT] Worry about Bada?
On 2/18/2010 8:18 PM, Cláudio Sampaio wrote: Just got notice of yet another linux-based mobile operating system, Samsung's Bada: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJKHU_bh_eQ http://www.bada.com/badadevices/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/samsung-wave-first-hands-on-bada-packed-and-super-fast/ Are you worried yet? :P Is there any information on the frameworks/APIs they're using for Bada? I'm presuming it's Palm-like (mostly closed, GPLv2 underpinnings.) Can't say I'm worried, other than it's Yet Another Mobile OS. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [OT] Worry about Bada?
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Will Marone wjmar...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/18/2010 8:18 PM, Cláudio Sampaio wrote: Just got notice of yet another linux-based mobile operating system, Samsung's Bada: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJKHU_bh_eQ Are you worried yet? :P Is there any information on the frameworks/APIs they're using for Bada? I'm presuming it's Palm-like (mostly closed, GPLv2 underpinnings.) Yes, there is: http://developer.bada.com/apis/index.do However, I tried to figure out what they're using for about ten minutes and couldn't. At that time, my curiosity has disappeared. It's clearly what you said, Palm-like with mostly closed stuff, no emphasis on community involvement and lots of buzzwords. I couldn't even sort out what type of packing (if any) they were using in the OS. Can't say I'm worried, other than it's Yet Another Mobile OS. Yeah, I was being ironic. It just amazes me that some companies still have the NIH Syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Invented_Here. Best regards, Cláudio Sampaio (Patola) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [OT] Worry about Bada?
2010/2/19 Cláudio Sampaio pat...@gmail.com: Just got notice of yet another linux-based mobile operating system, Has anyone been able to positively confirm whether it's based on Linux or not? If it is, Samsung certainly isn't keeping much noise about it... If it is Linux, MeeGo can probably expect a phone call from Samsung soon enough ;-). -- Ville M. Vainio http://tinyurl.com/vainio ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
