Re: bluetooth headsets

2008-02-06 Thread Frédéric Crozat
On Feb 6, 2008 5:25 PM, Erik Hovland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 11:11:48AM -0500, Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote:
> > Will the N810 work with a bluetooth headset?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Can it redirect all audio in/out to a bluetooth headset?
>
> It can and it does when the headset is active.

But sound will be crappy because A2DP is not supported officially yet.

> > Can skype on the N810 work with a bluetooth headset?
>
> Yes, I have used skype with my N810 to conduct skype calls.
>
> > Is A2DP supported?
>
> No idea.

Not yet officially. It is available but disabled and you need to play
with mplayer if you want to get it working (somehow).


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Re: 8G class 6 mini/micro SDHC for N810

2008-01-20 Thread Frédéric Crozat
On Jan 21, 2008 4:57 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 09:18:17AM -0500, Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote:
> >
> > Are you sure? I've googled a lot but I only find class 6 full size SDHC. 
> > I've
> > only found 8G mini/micro SDHC up to class 4. And I've only found 16G (any
> > class) in full size, not mini/micro? Where did you find 8G class 6 
> > mini/micro
> > and 16G (any class) mini/micro?
>
> What's this class 4 and class 6 stuff?

Google is your friend : http://www.sdcard.org/about/speed_class/
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Re: 8G class 6 mini/micro SDHC for N810 RS-MMC

2008-01-20 Thread Frédéric Crozat
On Jan 21, 2008 1:08 AM, Tim Ashman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> From: Adilson Oliveira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I'm sorry but now I got confuse. What's in fact the largest (as in
> capacity) card I can use on a N810 (as soon as can get mine with my US
> discount code :( )? 8Gb miniSD?
>
> 2g

This is completely false. n810 supports SDHC mini-SD (and micro-SD
with micro-SD to mini-SD adaptator).

It works perfectly fine with a 4GB SDHC mini-SD Transcend card (I
didn't buy bigger card).

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Re: OS2008 on n800 - Nice Job

2008-01-13 Thread Frédéric Crozat
On Dec 5, 2007 11:52 PM, Frédéric Crozat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Le jeudi 29 novembre 2007 à 22:42 +0100, Frédéric Crozat a écrit :
>
> > Le jeudi 29 novembre 2007 à 21:28 +0100, Laurent GUERBY a écrit :
> > > On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 23:43 +0100, Frédéric Crozat wrote:
> > > > > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667
> > > >
> > > > Well, documentation for enabling A2DP is extremely scarce atm, even in
> > > > this bug report.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if I'll keep my BT headset or ask for a refund.
> > >
> > > On IRC I was told there was work done on it, I suggest
> > > adding a comment with your model and problem on the
> > > above bugzilla.
> >
> > Well, I've spend part of this afternoon at Mandriva office into fixing /
> > enabling Audio bluetooth on Mandriva cooker and I've been successful
> > into directing using ALSA output to headset (either in HSP or A2DP) or
> > using gstreamer a2dp sink (from bluez-utils).
> >
> > Some dbus queries are needed to enable a2dp, which is why it can't work
> > out of the box on IT2008.
> >
> > I'll do more test on n800 this week-end and report here.
>
> I haven't had time to test the dbus queries for A2DP, yet.

And I just found enough time to finish my test with A2DP and I'm happy
to announce
I got it working with IT2008 !

Here is the howto (I've posted it on bugzilla too) :
-first, ensure you have your headset working with IT2008 ie bluetooth pairing
done and if you enable enabled, you get sound (crappy but you get it ;)
-as root, edit /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf and change
Disable=Sink
into
#Disable=Sink

(it would be nice for next nokia image to enable Sink by default, even if there
is no UI to use it in a "supported by Nokia way" so it wouldn't require any
root privilege to hack around A2DP support

-as user, create ~/.asoundrc and put into it :
pcm.bluetooth {
   type bluetooth
}

ctl.bluetooth{
type bluetooth
}

-as a user, create a file bt.sh with the following content (be sure to set
HEADSET_ADDRESS with your headset BT address :
#!/bin/sh
HEADSET_ADDRESS="aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff"

MANAGER=`dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez  /org/bluez
org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio | grep string | sed -e 's/.*
string //g' -e 's/"//g' `

DEVICE=`dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest="$MANAGER"
/org/bluez/audio org.bluez.audio.Manager.CreateDevice string:"$HEADSET_ADDRESS"
| grep string | sed -e 's/.* string //g' -e 's/"//g' `

dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest="$MANAGER"
"$DEVICE" org.bluez.audio.Sink.Connect

-chmod +x this file
-run this file at each startup so A2DP sink is configured and enabled for your
headset

now, to play sound, use mplayer as following :
mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth your_file_to_play

and enjoy quality music ;)

There is some buffer underrun during playback, but it is a good start.

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Re: help!? my N810 seems dead(ish)

2007-12-18 Thread Frédéric Crozat
On Dec 18, 2007 10:22 AM, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 10:19 +0100, ext Frédéric Crozat wrote:
> > On Dec 18, 2007 8:54 AM, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 09:51 +0200, ext Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 20:56 -0800, ext Joshua Layne wrote:
> > > > > they have had warranty issues on it.  However, a brief search on 
> > > > > google
> > > > > shows some fly-by-night places that have it for really cheap (like a 
> > > > > few
> > > > > dollars), so I may just pick up a replacement and a spare for the 
> > > > > office./;
> > > >
> > > > Beware that some of the cheap noname ones might have different voltages
> > > > - one of my 12V car chargers for example does not charge my N800 at all.
> > > > It charges 770's and phones just fine.
> > >
> > > That's weird - N800 and 770 have practically the same chargin interface
> > > - HW, SW and battery - and when doing idle chargin their current is
> > > comparable.
> > >
> > > Unless the N800 sw recognises the fake charger and simply refuses to use
> > > it :-)
> >
> > I object :)
> >
> > With my 770, I could use my Nokia 6021 charger ACP-7E (with the plug
> > adapter CA-44) nicely. Unfortunately,
> > it is no longer possible with n800, probably because the output power
> > of the charger is too low.
> >
> > A collegue is able to charge his n800 (and 770) with his 6230 charger
> > (ACP-12E) and the adapter.
>
> It depends also on the sw version you are running on the tablet.

At the time I did the test, it was OS 2006 on 770 and 2007 on n800.

> Different OS versions have different versions of charging sw.
>
> Anyway, it shouldn't fail silently, but show some message.

Yes, there was an error (not very explanatory IIRC). But it renders my
CA-44 adapter useless :( Sound like a regression for paying Nokia
customers..

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Re: help!? my N810 seems dead(ish)

2007-12-18 Thread Frédéric Crozat
On Dec 18, 2007 8:54 AM, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 09:51 +0200, ext Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 20:56 -0800, ext Joshua Layne wrote:
> > > they have had warranty issues on it.  However, a brief search on google
> > > shows some fly-by-night places that have it for really cheap (like a few
> > > dollars), so I may just pick up a replacement and a spare for the 
> > > office./;
> >
> > Beware that some of the cheap noname ones might have different voltages
> > - one of my 12V car chargers for example does not charge my N800 at all.
> > It charges 770's and phones just fine.
>
> That's weird - N800 and 770 have practically the same chargin interface
> - HW, SW and battery - and when doing idle chargin their current is
> comparable.
>
> Unless the N800 sw recognises the fake charger and simply refuses to use
> it :-)

I object :)

With my 770, I could use my Nokia 6021 charger ACP-7E (with the plug
adapter CA-44) nicely. Unfortunately,
it is no longer possible with n800, probably because the output power
of the charger is too low.

A collegue is able to charge his n800 (and 770) with his 6230 charger
(ACP-12E) and the adapter.

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Re: Disabling password on user certificate for Wifi

2007-12-07 Thread Frédéric Crozat
On Dec 7, 2007 4:54 PM, Kalle Valo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ext Frédéric Crozat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > as I wrote in a previous post, my ISP (Free.fr) has just allow access to
> > its private Wifi network dedicated to VoIP (called Freephonie.net)
> > through EAP-TLS, with a set of certificate and public/private key.
> >
> > It works fine (you need to do some openssl magic to convert the
> > certificate in pkcs12 format) but IT2008 is requiring a password to
> > store user certificate. This is extremely frustrating since it requires
> > typing this password each time you connect to the private Wifi network.
> > And since this network is provided from a lot of DSL modem provided by
> > this ISP (about 500 000 modems are already enabled in France), it
> > doesn't allow to use "always connected" feature of IT2007/2008, while
> > moving.
>
> Yes, the automatic WLAN connection does not work with EAP connections.
> That's a feature which should be changed.

Argg :(

I've just filled https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2503 for this issue

>
> > Is there a way to disable the password for some user certificates ?
>
> I faintly recall that it was possible to save passwords for the user
> certificates. But I haven't used EAP-TLS for a long time so I can be
> wrong though.

Well, I just found out about this bug in bugzilla :
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1574

I suggest people using Freebox in France to vote for those bugs ;)

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Disabling password on user certificate for Wifi

2007-12-05 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Hi,

as I wrote in a previous post, my ISP (Free.fr) has just allow access to
its private Wifi network dedicated to VoIP (called Freephonie.net)
through EAP-TLS, with a set of certificate and public/private key.

It works fine (you need to do some openssl magic to convert the
certificate in pkcs12 format) but IT2008 is requiring a password to
store user certificate. This is extremely frustrating since it requires
typing this password each time you connect to the private Wifi network.
And since this network is provided from a lot of DSL modem provided by
this ISP (about 500 000 modems are already enabled in France), it
doesn't allow to use "always connected" feature of IT2007/2008, while
moving.

Is there a way to disable the password for some user certificates ?

PS : the nice consequence of accessing this private network, which
doesn't use NAT, is a workaround to bug
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1699 (which is still prevent when
not using the private network, ie when using NAT).
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Re: OS2008 on n800 - Nice Job

2007-12-05 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le jeudi 29 novembre 2007 à 22:42 +0100, Frédéric Crozat a écrit :
> Le jeudi 29 novembre 2007 à 21:28 +0100, Laurent GUERBY a écrit :
> > On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 23:43 +0100, Frédéric Crozat wrote:
> > > > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667
> > > 
> > > Well, documentation for enabling A2DP is extremely scarce atm, even in
> > > this bug report.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure if I'll keep my BT headset or ask for a refund.
> > 
> > On IRC I was told there was work done on it, I suggest
> > adding a comment with your model and problem on the
> > above bugzilla.
> 
> Well, I've spend part of this afternoon at Mandriva office into fixing /
> enabling Audio bluetooth on Mandriva cooker and I've been successful
> into directing using ALSA output to headset (either in HSP or A2DP) or
> using gstreamer a2dp sink (from bluez-utils).
> 
> Some dbus queries are needed to enable a2dp, which is why it can't work
> out of the box on IT2008.
> 
> I'll do more test on n800 this week-end and report here.

I haven't had time to test the dbus queries for A2DP, yet. 

However, my ISP has just give access to its private Wifi phone network
(Freephonie), which allows to use any SIP client as a local home client.

Of course, I tested my bluetooth headset and it is almost working fine :
-when a call is ringing, you get notification in the headset and you can
take the call. Unfortunately, audio is not routed correctly. You have to
disconnect the headset (audio is routed back to n800) and reconnect the
BT headset to get audio routed correctly.
-if you take the call from n800 interface and connect the headset, audio
is routed correctly to headset
-n800 bluez doesn't seem to support the "refuse call" BT command or the
"recall last number" BT command.

So, it works and it could be improved. I'll open bug reports for the
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Re: OS2008 on n800 - Nice Job

2007-11-29 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le jeudi 29 novembre 2007 à 21:28 +0100, Laurent GUERBY a écrit :
> On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 23:43 +0100, Frédéric Crozat wrote:
> > > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667
> > 
> > Well, documentation for enabling A2DP is extremely scarce atm, even in
> > this bug report.
> > 
> > I'm not sure if I'll keep my BT headset or ask for a refund.
> 
> On IRC I was told there was work done on it, I suggest
> adding a comment with your model and problem on the
> above bugzilla.

Well, I've spend part of this afternoon at Mandriva office into fixing /
enabling Audio bluetooth on Mandriva cooker and I've been successful
into directing using ALSA output to headset (either in HSP or A2DP) or
using gstreamer a2dp sink (from bluez-utils).

Some dbus queries are needed to enable a2dp, which is why it can't work
out of the box on IT2008.

I'll do more test on n800 this week-end and report here.

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Re: OS2008 on n800 - Nice Job

2007-11-28 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le mercredi 28 novembre 2007 à 08:49 +0100, Laurent GUERBY a écrit :
> On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 15:34 -0800, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > Laurent,  Stereo headphones?
> 
> I don't have bluetooth stereo headphones to test so I can't say.

I've just received a brand new BT stereo headphones Philips SHB6100 and
unfortunately, A2DP (ie stereo) doesn't work out of the box with
IT2008 :(

It works in mono but sound is very crappy.

> Some information on advanced bluetooth profiles here:
> 
> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667

Well, documentation for enabling A2DP is extremely scarce atm, even in
this bug report.

I'm not sure if I'll keep my BT headset or ask for a refund.

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Re: Bug in Maps application

2007-11-27 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le mardi 27 novembre 2007 à 22:46 +0100, Frédéric Crozat a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> according to Wayfinder website
> http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=5365&lang=en-US Nokia is supposed to
> support "Maps" application shipped with IT2008.
> 
> Unfortunately, there is no such component in Maemo bugzilla ATM.
> 
> Until this is fixed, here is a nice bug report for Maps application :
> -this application saves its maps data downloaded to the internal memory
> card (I'm speaking about n800) but it does check if there is enough free
> space on it while downloading, which cause the download progress bar to
> get stuck at one value and never go beyond (and of course, there is no
> "no space available" warning.
> -you can't change the default memory card used by this application. This
> is problematic : for instance, I have a 128MB internal memory card and a
> 2GB external memory card and I can't download France maps (300MB),
> unless I use symlinks from one card to another.

Correction, since I did more tests :
- you can't use symlinks from one card to another
- fortunately, you can move the "map" directory from the internal card
to the external card and Maps application will use external card by
default.

Unfortunately, even with this change, there seems to be a problem on the
server side which is unable to sent the entire data (or something like
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Bug in Maps application

2007-11-27 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Hi,

according to Wayfinder website
http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=5365&lang=en-US Nokia is supposed to
support "Maps" application shipped with IT2008.

Unfortunately, there is no such component in Maemo bugzilla ATM.

Until this is fixed, here is a nice bug report for Maps application :
-this application saves its maps data downloaded to the internal memory
card (I'm speaking about n800) but it does check if there is enough free
space on it while downloading, which cause the download progress bar to
get stuck at one value and never go beyond (and of course, there is no
"no space available" warning.
-you can't change the default memory card used by this application. This
is problematic : for instance, I have a 128MB internal memory card and a
2GB external memory card and I can't download France maps (300MB),
unless I use symlinks from one card to another.
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Re: Screen protector for N810

2007-11-24 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le vendredi 23 novembre 2007 à 22:26 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit :
> Hi,
> On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 20:32 +0100, ext Klaus Rotter wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > Is it possible to use a N800 screen protector for the N810? I am not 
> > sure if the N810 has the same screen size as the N800. Maybe someone 
> > with a N810 can confirm this.
> 
> Yes, the N810 screen is exactly the same size of the one in the N800.

Thanks for the info.

I highly recommend Brando UltraClear protection for 770 (which works
fine for n800 too, I used them for both IT). I'm going to order one for
my future n810.

http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00337&dept_id=&cat_id=0018

Moreover, they are offering shipping until December 5..
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Re: maemo.org localization (was Re: non-English blogs on Planet maemo?)

2007-11-16 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le vendredi 16 novembre 2007 à 13:53 +0100, Christian Otto Stelter a
écrit :
> Greetings!
> 
> 
> Quim Gil wrote:
> > (((we are still waiting for you to decide *clearly* on the Planet thing:
> > all languages mixed, apartheid English-Other or several planets per
> > language?)))
> 
> I would like to see one planet per language.
> 
> The optimum would be a per user-control somewhere in the profile 
> settings to choose the languages the user wants to see on one planet 
> maemo page. For me this would be english + german blogs which could be 
> mixed.

Yes, I think it is the best solution too.

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Re: OS2008 for N800

2007-11-10 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 21:07 +, Wang Yonghao a écrit :
> hi All,
> 
> I saw the news of this
> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-0_chinook_released.html
> 
> but where can we download new OS2008 for N800 device?
> 
> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php
> only has latest 2007 available. 

It was announced IT 2008 will be available for n800 the same day n810
will be available for sale (probably next week).

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Re: Aw: Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support

2007-11-04 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le lundi 05 novembre 2007 à 08:55 +0200, Kalle Valo a écrit :
> "ext Frederic Crozat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Le mardi 30 octobre 2007 à 10:58 +0100, Tu-zrz a écrit :
> >> 
> >> Would it make sense to add a table with different AP to document which
> >> AP works with setting xyz unter itos 200x and which will not?
> >
> > I don't have any objection :)
> 
> I started to combine a list of problematic APs some time ago, but gave
> up because it was just too much work for one person. The bugs depend
> on model, software version, hardware version and what not so the list
> is going to be huge.

Feel free to either dump it unformatted on wiki or send it to me by
emails and I'll format it for wiki.

> But I think that a community effort might work, because everyone can
> contribute and it's not burden of one individual.

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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support

2007-10-27 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le jeudi 25 octobre 2007 à 08:05 +0300, Kalle Valo a écrit :
> ext Frédéric Crozat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> >> o Buggy AP which does not support WLAN PSM properly.
> >
> > My AP (Freebox, an ISP set-top-box) seems to support WLAN PSM
> > properly.
> 
> If you have problems WLAN standby times I'm not yet convinced that
> your AP work correctly.

After more tests, it appears both my AP don't support full PSM :(
> 
> > I also have a Fonera. Is there any way to check, from n800 side, if WLAN
> > PSM isn't working properly ? (I've enabled full PSM and pings are still
> > working)
> 
> Usually I first try that unicast is working correctly with ping from
> network (execute this from a PC connected to the AP, either with
> Ethernet or WLAN):
> 
> ping -i 2 192.168.1.123
> 
> Next I will check broadcast with arping (also from a PC, need to be in
> same in subnet):
> 
> arping -I eth0 -b 192.168.1.123
> 
> Packet loss should be zero percent in both cases. 
> 
> Next I measure the power consumption, but one needs special hardware
> for that. Unfortunately I don't have any ideas how you could do that.

Maybe in future kernel some info in sysfs ? :)

> If I spot any problems with these tests, I use a wireless sniffer for
> analysis. I have found that madwifi driver and Wireshark are the most
> suitable for me.

Unfortunately, I don't have PC with wifi at home.

Anyway, I've used your tests with full PSM and it appears both Freebox
and Fonera (as noticed by Riku in another reply) have problems with
it :(

I've taken the liberty to write a summary of the various informations
you gave here about PSM and how to change it on Maemo wiki. Feel free to
fix errors I might have introduced :
 https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wifipsm/


> >> o Lots of broadcast and multicast packets on the network (like
> >>   Windows samba broadcasts).
> >
> > No Windows (nor Samba) on the network.
> >
> > However, I tried to run tcpdump on n800 to see what is going on.
> >
> > It seems Nintendo Wii "standby mode" is causing arp and DNS query, seen
> > on n800, every 10 minutes.
> 
> If it's only one ARP and DNS query, every 10 minutes is not that bad.
> 
> Just of curiosity, who is issuing the DNS query? The Nintendo Wii
> device? N800 shouldn't see DNS requests made by other devices. DNS is
> unicast and N800 shouldn't see unicast packets between AP and other
> WLAN clients.

I'll check again.

> > Since I have two AP available, I'll try to configure both n800 and Wii
> > to use separate networks, to check if it improves situation.
> 
> Good idea.

I tried disabling Wii and it didn't bring any improvement, since PSM is
really a problem for both my AP. I'll contact my ISP for the AP inside
Freebox, maybe they can do something about it (it is using Ralink 2661
chipset).

> > Can we expect any improvement when changing WLAN power from 100mA to
> > 10mA ? 
> 
> I have been told that it doesn't affect much (if at all). I recommend
> not to try that, it's not worth it. We have implemented it for
> regulatory purposes.

Good to know.
> 
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Re: N800 simple soft case mod

2007-10-21 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le dimanche 21 octobre 2007 à 12:58 -0700, John Rudd a écrit :
> I'm more interested in seeing how the proporta alu-leather case works 
> out (and how soon they get a version of the alu-leather case out for the 
> N810).  The alu-leather case is what I was planning to buy for the N800.

n800 hard casing from Nokia is starting to be available from Nokia
Online shop (I've ordered mine, it is currently in backorder).

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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support

2007-10-21 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le samedi 20 octobre 2007 à 10:24 +0300, Kalle Valo a écrit :
> "ext Frederic Crozat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Just curious : is the n800 really supposed to last "days" when connected
> > via Wifi (with full WLAN Power Save mode enabled), without any
> > disconnect timeout and anything doing network access on the wifi link ?
> 
> Short answer: Yes, even with the default WLAN PSM settings.

Thanks you. So, let's investigate to find what is causing those bad
performance

> Long answer: It depends on your network. Here are few items which
> mostly affect WLAN power consumption:
> 
> o N800 transmitting something periodically (once in a minute is not
>   bad, once in a second is really bad, Google talk has 30s interval
>   which is ok).

I've disabled any program which might do network query in background.

> o Buggy AP which does not support WLAN PSM properly.

My AP (Freebox, an ISP set-top-box) seems to support WLAN PSM properly.
I also have a Fonera. Is there any way to check, from n800 side, if WLAN
PSM isn't working properly ? (I've enabled full PSM and pings are still
working)

> o distance to AP (WLAN background scan will kick in if the signal level is
>   -75 dBm or less)

Not a problem here, I'm in about 2 to 5 meters of AP.

> o Lots of broadcast and multicast packets on the network (like
>   Windows samba broadcasts).

No Windows (nor Samba) on the network.

However, I tried to run tcpdump on n800 to see what is going on.

It seems Nintendo Wii "standby mode" is causing arp and DNS query, seen
on n800, every 10 minutes.

Since I have two AP available, I'll try to configure both n800 and Wii
to use separate networks, to check if it improves situation.

> Also WLAN settings (beacon and DTIM interval) affect power
> consumption, but not before the issues I have listed above are ruled
> out. And this was only about issues related to WLAN, if there are
> other processes waking up the CPU that will naturally affect the
> standby time.

I've learned this the hard way with Canola last year, with my 770 :)
Now, I make sure there is no server or background stuff running when
doing tests..

> For the background scan there are going to be some optimisations in
> OS2008, for example the limit will be lowered to -85 dBm.

Wonderful.

> > When I check battery applet (which is really great btw), I'm never sure
> > if the "in use" time is applicable when being idle AND wifi connected.
> 
> The applet does not provide WLAN standby time at all, sorry.

Ok.

> > I know I disable network auto-connect and set disconnect timeout to 5min
> > because I had bad experience with first IT2007 version (before full WLAN
> > Power Save mode gconf key were given here). Maybe I should try it
> > again..
> 
> I think you should, you might be pleasently surprised. If not, I would
> guess that after a bit of investigation you might find what's causing
> the high power consumption. tcpdump is your friend. And if you have
> any questions, post them here.

Can we expect any improvement when changing WLAN power from 100mA to
10mA ? 

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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support

2007-10-19 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 22:11 +0300, Marius Gedminas a écrit :
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 04:26:07PM +, Steve Greenland wrote:
> > According to James Sparenberg  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > On Thursday 18 October 2007 11:30:34 Marius Gedminas wrote:
> > > > I sincerely hope Maemo Extras rejects sourceless packages.
> > >
> > >I would hope that they reject binary packages period, in that like 
> > > every 
> > > distro I've worked with you submit a src (rpm deb tgz etc) and the distro 
> > > builds from that file so that at least some assurance can be made that 
> > > it's 
> > > build from the correct environment.  
> > 
> > Actually, Debian requires a binary upload of at least one architecture.
> > Then the autobuilders build for all the other architectures.
> > 
> > About once a year someone proposes source-only uploads. The argument
> > against is that with a binary upload, you have at least some hope that
> > the developer has installed and tested the package. With source-only
> > uploads, there the temptation to make "just one little change" and
> > upload without building and testing.
> 
> IIRC Ubuntu has source-only uploads.  This seems to work for them.

Same for Mandriva ;)

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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support

2007-10-18 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le jeudi 18 octobre 2007 à 22:27 +0200, Tilman Vogel a écrit :
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi again!
> 
> Steve Greenland schrieb:
> > After the re-install, I've got /usr/share/mime/audio/x-vorbis.xml, which is:
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/shared-mime-info"; 
> > type="audio/x-vorbis">
> > 
> >   OGG audio
> > 
> > 
> > The 'globs' file does have "audio/x-vorbis:*.ogg". However, the
> > categories file, in category "audio", has "application/ogg" but NOT
> > "audio/x-vorbis". Maybe that's the problem? 
> 
> Maybe, but at least it's the same on IT OS 2006.

And it is still broken, since the schema file shipped with the package
specify application/ogg for media player.

It would be wise to make sure audio/x-vorbis is a child of
application/ogg mimetype.

> > Throwing caution to the
> > wind, I recklessly and irresponsibly violated the "DO NOT EDIT!"
> > instruction and added "audio/x-vorbis" by hand. However, the media
> > player still doesn't find the oggs. Bugger. 
> 
> Did you reboot in between? Maybe the media server needs to be restarted
> for that to take effect. Could be that on 2007 the media server uses
> categories?

Media player uses gconf configuration to know which gstreamer pipeline
should be used to play a file, according to its mimetype. Since schema
and mime.xml file are using mimetype, media player can't associate the
correct pipeline to recognize and play ogg file.

However, I tried to add the missing gconf info (and reboot) without any
success.

It would be nice if a Nokia developer with access to Media player code 
could check what it wrong, compared to what is explained at 
http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/getting_started_with_multimedia.html


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Re: 3 months of use: some comments about the N800

2007-10-11 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le jeudi 11 octobre 2007 à 13:03 -0400, Steve Yelvington a écrit :
> Eero Tamminen wrote:
> > There's plastic film on top of the screen.  If you haven't removed this,
> > the scratches are in this  film, not the actual screen surface.
> >> 
> 
> One of the guys at work has discovered PSP screen protectors can be 
> adapted to the N800 fairly easily.

Or you can buy 770 screen protection which are compatible for n800.

I recommend Brando UltraClear
http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00337&dept_id=&cat_id=018  
(also available as AntiGlare : 
http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=01194&dept_id=&cat_id=019 but 
I prefer UltraClear personally).

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Re: "hidden features" Re: 3 months...

2007-10-11 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le jeudi 11 octobre 2007 à 07:53 -0700, Daniel M German a écrit :
> Thanks Josh, I wished I had known this last week when I had to cut and
> paste a computer generated password ;) What I did was to save the
> file, then load it inside emacs, then cut-and-paste. What a pain!
> 
> there are a number of "hidden" features of the N800. For example, it
> took me some time to discover that the "ok" button (the one in the
> middle of the arrow keys) switched to the thumb keyboard. 
> 
> Is there a place where all this info is documented?


The PDF manual shipped in n800 

Or also the online help inside n800
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Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

2007-10-05 Thread Frédéric Crozat

Le vendredi 05 octobre 2007 à 18:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer a écrit :
> "ext James Sparenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Marius, In reply to the space constraint and upgrade done to the
> > entire OS.  This was first solved in URPMI for Mandrake around 8.1
> > (Now called Mandriva) and AFAIK it has been ported into the
> > dist-upgrade feature for dpkg/apt.
> 
> I don't know what you are referring to excatly, but I too think that
> there is no fundamental problem to be solved here.
> 
> Apt doesn't do the trick of splitting the update into pieces so that
> you don't need to download all package before unpacking the first one.
> I think that in theory it should be possible to only download a
> package immediately before it is unpacked and delete the archive file
> afterwards again.
> 
> This approach would make the update much less reliable, tho, since a
> download failure can interrupt it.

Well,  urpmi supports this, but it is really difficult to
implement, mostly on big distributions where package names can change,
packages conflicts, etc.. And it become even more difficult when you try
to upgrade from two distro releases in the past to the current one. We
usually need to implement some heuristic to handle such case and not
fallback to "huge transaction which download more than 1GB of packages
before starting upgrade". 

I guess it will be easier for Maemo since the device has a small space
capacity and less possible packages to install than a desktop distro.

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Re: maemo News needs your love

2007-08-16 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le jeudi 16 août 2007 à 09:00 +0300, Quim Gil a écrit :
> On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 14:34 -0400, ext Mike Lococo wrote:
> > How do you favorite a planet story?  I don't see the heart widget like 
> > on other pages.  
> 
> Yes, it's still missing: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829
> 
> They will be there. Now the only way is to fave them while they are in
> the main http://maemo.org/news which of course is not enough because
> leaves out the older entries.

There is a problem with new Planet Maemo agregation Atom feed : html
encoded post (like mdk post "Vector drawing: OpenGL polygon
tessellation") are encoded again twice, causing atom feed reader to
display html code, instead of rendering it.

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RE: N800 Case - Still not here

2007-07-22 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le dimanche 22 juillet 2007 à 03:06 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> I have just checked Nokia and Nseries websites and the case is there:
> http://europe.nokia.com/n800case
> 
> http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=products,n800,accessories

Damn, you should have given some at GUADEC ;)

Any hope to get it available from Nokia online shop
(http://direct.nokia.com/ ) too ?

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Re: N800 Case - Still not here

2007-07-22 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le dimanche 22 juillet 2007 à 08:14 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
écrit :
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 08:10:55AM -0400, James Knott wrote:
> > Stefan Englhardt wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I would like to see a case with integrated keyboard.
> > > I've an very old casio pocket calculator which has
> > > a plastic housing which holds additional keys in
> > > the housing. You open it like a book.
> > >
> > > So opening the N800 case to the bottom finding a
> > > thin foil-keybord would help writing emails.
> > >
> > > Another feature would be a wristband on the back
> > > so I could fix it to the belt or on the bycicle.
> > > The N800 is too big for the trouserpocket so
> > > I need some convenient way to carry it. Look at
> > > the wristband the Garmin Forerunner 201 comes with.
> > > I use it to fix the device on the bicyle, too.
> > >
> > > The original bag is *dangerous* I can hear 1000s of
> > > N800s dropping to the floor all over the world ;-)).
> > > I dropped it three times until I learned to take care.
> > > It slips away like wet soap.
> > >
> > >   
> > 
> > I agree about the slippery case.  It's great for when I carry my N800 in
> > my shirt pocket, as it's easy to remove and reinstert the N800. 
> > However, if it's sitting on the car seat and I have to brake hard, if
> > the open end is facing forward, the N800 will wind up on the floor. 
> > Perhaps the reason for that case is to "encourage" people to buy another
> > N800, after the previous one broke falling out of the case.  ;-)
> > 
> 
> I'm told cases for the Nintendo DS work well for the N800, since they're 
> almost the same size.  Can anyone verify this?

I can confirm this.

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Re: Flaky connection after upgrade

2007-07-20 Thread Frédéric Crozat

> ext Frédéric Crozat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> The WLAN sleep timeout was reduced in this release to help power
>>> consumption. Unfortunately with some Access Points which do not
>>> support Power Save Mode properly there might be connection problems,
>>> which I think you are seeing now.
>
> [...]
>
>> Does it mean setting '/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/wlan_sleep_timeout'
>> to 0 is still relevant for those of us which are happy with it ?
>
> Yes, except that the latest release introduced a new variable called
> inactive_wlan_sleep_timeout which is used when display is turned off.
> You would want to change that to zero as well.

This is great news. Is the inactive display used when screen backlight
goes off or only when display lcd is turned off ?

It would be great to add those two settings to osso gconf schema with
their default value and a description. It would allow easier customization
with gconf-editor.


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Re: Flaky connection after upgrade

2007-07-14 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le samedi 14 juillet 2007 à 14:50 +0300, Kalle Valo a écrit :
> "ext Duncan MacCallum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Previous ver used to give rock solid wifi connection.
> > However after latest firmware upgrade now find connection speeds slow
> > and that behind a Belkin preN router connected to 20mb cable
> > connection.
> 
> The WLAN sleep timeout was reduced in this release to help power
> consumption. Unfortunately with some Access Points which do not
> support Power Save Mode properly there might be connection problems,
> which I think you are seeing now.
> 
> Please report all problems to bugzilla. Remember to include at least
> AP's make, model and firmware version. Thanks.

Does it mean setting '/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/wlan_sleep_timeout'
to 0 is still relevant for those of us which are happy with it ?

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Re: Think Outside Stowaway Bluetooth Wireless Keyboard

2007-06-30 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le samedi 30 juin 2007 à 13:09 -0300, Leandro Melo de Sales a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
>   here in the Ottawa Linux Symposium I saw a guy that was using the
> the Think Outside Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard on this 770. I'd like to
> know if this keyboard is also supported by N800.
> 
> http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=SEARCH&Ntt=think+outside+keyboard&N=0&Dx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&D=think+outside+keyboard&Ntk=All&product_code=50801445&Pn=Stowaway_Bluetooth_Wireless_Keyboard_for_Select_Pocket_PCs

Yes, a friend of mine with a n800 is using this keyboard (Stowaway
Bluetooth Ultra Slim) without any problem. I'm planning to buy this
keyboard too soon..

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Re: mailing list settings

2007-05-13 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le dimanche 13 mai 2007 à 08:53 +0200, NG a écrit :
> hi 
> 
> 
> Do you think if it's possible to had an generic title in the object
> field of the messages? it's for my mail settings ( you know rules and
> all that stuff).

It has been dropped on purpose, since there is already headers which can
be used in message from the mailing lists to detect they are from
maemo-users ml.

PS : it would be nice if you could prevent your mailer to send HTML to
mailing-lists too.

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Re: A suggestion

2007-04-22 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le dimanche 22 avril 2007 à 10:39 -0400, James Knott a écrit :
> On other mail lists, there is usually a tag applied to the messages, to
> indicate the list.  This has often kept me from deleting valid mail,
> that otherwise had a subject that might have appeared to be spam.  These
> tags are enclosed in square brackets, something like [maemo-u] and my
> message, for example, would appear with the subject "[maemo-u] A
> suggestion".
> Any thoughts on this?

It has been removed some time ago, because it clutters subjects more
than anything. Any good mailer can filter mails from list correctly.

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Re: Incorrect dependencies for IT 2007 for downloads.maemo.org, where to report bug ?

2007-03-04 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le dimanche 04 mars 2007 à 16:01 +0100, Frédéric Crozat a écrit :

> I've also found libxau0 (needed for streamtuner) in main bora repository
> to be not installable (missing Section:user/F00). I'm not sure where on
> maemo bugzilla I should report this problem.

My bad for this one : package is only installable when using red-pill
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Incorrect dependencies for IT 2007 for downloads.maemo.org, where to report bug ?

2007-03-04 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Hi,

I've found several uninstallable packages which are listed at compatible
with IT 2007 but aren't (despite available .install file). I think their
compatibility for IT 2006 was guess to be ok with IT 2007.

Since several programs have this problems, I'm not sure it is an issue
in downloads.maemo.org way to specify compatibility for multiple IT
versions or if it is an error for uploaders.

Example of such programs :

http://downloads.maemo.org/product/gconf-editor : install link is always
linking to
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/scirocco/install/gconf-editor.install 
instead of 
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/install/gconf-editor.install


mplayer is always linking to
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/mistral/install/mplayer.install
instead of
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/install/mplayer.install

I've also found libxau0 (needed for streamtuner) in main bora repository
to be not installable (missing Section:user/F00). I'm not sure where on
maemo bugzilla I should report this problem.

As a side-note, individual component page in downloads.maemo.org often
lacks a hyperlink to port page for a specific program (very often hosted
on garage) : for instance, mplayer page
(http://downloads.maemo.org/product/mplayer ) doesn't link to garage
mplayer homepage (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mplayer/ ) but to
upstream homepage (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ ) which can useless for
maemo specific information. I don't know if it is a missing feature on
downloads.maemo.org or if maintainers should add more informations for
their modules.

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Re: [maemo-users] new GIZMO release

2007-02-03 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le samedi 03 février 2007 à 19:13 +0100, Rainer Dorsch a écrit :
> Am Samstag, 3. Februar 2007 19:01 schrieb Kahlil Johnson:
> > Neet I'll upgrade.
> >
> > On 2/3/07, Laurent MARTIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > > FYI it looks like a new release of GizmoProject (2.0.0.55) has been
> > > published yesterday. Don't know yet what are the changes as I haven't
> > > browsed their website yet but it may worth a try!
> > >
> 
> HmmI assume Gizmo still ties you to their own sip service and other 
> services are not possible. Is there any other SIP client for maemo which 
> allows me to use any sip server?

It is no longer the case, starting with GIZMO 2.0.x.y : you still need a
GIZMO account but you can specify a secondary account with an external
SIP provider.

At least, it will allow us to wait for Ekiga on n800 or SIP provider for
n800 Internet phone call program.

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 screen protector

2007-01-28 Thread Frédéric Crozat
> Le dimanche 28 janvier 2007 à 23:12 +, Danny Milosavljevic a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:28:17 +0100, Laurent MARTIN wrote:
> > Thank you very much for your answer: the *real* screen protector for  
> > my brand new N800 has just arrived by postmail, so I'm going to  
> > replace the stock film protection soon!
> 
> Where did you get the real screen protector?

I strongly recommend Brando Ultraclear screen protector. It is already
available for N770 (I've been using one since I got my N770 in October
2005). They are available at
http://shop.brando.com.hk/ultraclearscreenprotector.php .
I've just ordered a new N770 protection for my brand new N800 (thanks
Nokia for discount coupon btw), since screen are the same size.

> Does a screen protector mess with the touch screen interface?

Not at all.

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Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?

2007-01-19 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 15:41 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit :
> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:31 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote:
> > Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 08:58 -0400, Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga a écrit :
> > > Igor Stoppa wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote:
> > > >> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote:
> > > >>> Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit :
> > > >>> Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 :
> > > >>> mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been
> > > >>> like that), only boot up and with cover on it, doing nothing. I only
> > > >>> have terminal (not opened) and canola (not running).
> > > > [snip]
> > > > 
> > > > What about daemons/libraries that you might have installed and affect
> > > > the runtime?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, canola runs a webserver daemon.
> > 
> > This short autonomy problem has been present before I installed
> > canola :)
> > 
> > Anyway, I'll reflash my device and do more tests.
> 
> Steps i used:
> -flash new sw
> -verify that r&d mode is off
> -verify that neither bluetooth nor wlan connections are active
> -close the cover
> -display set to default (half) brightness
> -battery fully charged (a 1300 mAh one)
> -close cover and let rest
> 
> check once or twice (literally, not more than 2 times) per day that it's
> still alive
> 
> due to variations in the components i might just have been lucky and
> measured 9 days, but the official statement says 7, iirc

I stand corrected and I apologize for my previous statement.

I just finished my tests, using your test scenario :
-I reflashed my 770 with last firmware
-I fully charged my 770 Thursday 01/11/2007
-I checked it two time per day (7h00 and 21h00)
-I ran out of battery between Friday 01/19/2007 7h00 and 21h00

So, it lasts 8 days.

I'll restore my previous backups (without the apps) and try to spot
which apps is eating battery so much (and I'll uninstall canola before
testing ;)

I guess one thing missing for outside developers (ie not Nokia one) is
an easy way to monitor their programs for power usage, specially when
device is supposed to be idle. Maybe qemu could be used to detect when
device is supposed to be idle and programs are still doing too much
thing on cpu..

One question regarding your test : you asked to check wlan (or
bluetooth) wasn't active. Unless I'm mistaken, by default, when cover is
closed, wlan is dropped, so it should not be a problem in the test
scenario above (except if user specifically ask for it not being dropped
when closing cover, which is possible with IT 2006) ?

PS : sorry, I first send this mail only to you by error, not the list :(
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Re: [maemo-users] Where can I buy the new N800

2007-01-07 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le dimanche 07 janvier 2007 à 21:32 -0600, Kahlil Johnson a écrit :
> Hi I want to get one this new lil beast of technology but where can I
> find it, how much is priced. I guess any gadget website might have
> that info but I guess they spend more time showing screenhots at the
> thing than doing an actual informative report.

Just go to http://www.nseries.com/n800 and choose "buy", you'll be able
to order it directly from Nokia Stores. It cost 399 EUR or 399 $.

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[maemo-users] New "suspend" feature always on after alarm

2006-06-12 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Hi,

yesterday, while testing the new alarm feature from IT2006 beta (which
allows setting an alarm and "switch off" the device and still get the
alarm, we discovered it replaces the classic "shutdown" by some kind of
suspend (in fact, the device is still running) since shutdown is
extremely quick and boots almost instantaneous. This is nice but after
alarm was triggered, this new "suspend" mode remains active when
shutting down the device when turn it off. It looks like a bug to me
since it probably consumer more power than a real shutdown (or it could
be nice to configure this behaviour) and I was only able to get a normal
shutdown today because my 770 crashes and watchdog triggered a real
reboot.

Should I fill a bug or it is a wanted behaviour ?
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Re: [maemo-users] Turning on thumb keyboard in maemo 2.0 beta

2006-06-10 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le samedi 10 juin 2006 à 15:48 +0200, Xavier Calbet a écrit :
>   I cannot get the thumb keyboard working, just
> the regular pointer keyboard. How is the thumb
> keyboard
> turned on?

You need to press with your thumb on an text entry field (before you
open the standard keyboard widget) for a "long" time (about 1s). Or you
can also in keyboard parameters, allow opening thumb keyboard when
pressing the "ok" hardware button inside standard keyboard.

I must say I'm quite impressed with the thumb keyboard (and I'm happy to
have a screen protection for my 770 ;)

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Re: [maemo-users] Linksys WRTG54GL + Nokia 770 connection lost

2006-02-19 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 01:48 -0800, Primorec a écrit :
> I do not posses MS WINDOWS PC in my household... and I do not
> have any plans to invest any money into MS WINDOWS in the near future
> 
>  so.. I do not have a lot of choices .. I have to re-flash the
> firmware using LINUX.
> 
> Is it possible to upgrade the firmware on 770 using LINUX ?

Just download the bin file on the web page and use the procedure written
at http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux

PS: and next time, please, respond under quoted text and to the
mailing-list..

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Re: [maemo-users] Linksys WRTG54GL + Nokia 770 connection lost

2006-02-19 Thread Frédéric Crozat
Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 15:31 -0800, Primorec a écrit :

> Is there a better way to solve this problem ?
> 
> Any hint/trick/advice/solution is more than welcome.
> 
> 770's firmware version 2.2005.45-7

You should REALLY upgrade your 770 firmware to the latest firmware
(3.2005.51-13) available on
http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,,79636,00.html (Europe) or
http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/softwareupdate/1,8461,770,00.html
(USA), since it fixes many issues with Wifi (and other stuff as well).

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