Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device
I think the 770/800 ARE pdas (in pocket pc form factor). A pda is a pocketable (generally) computer. The term PDA could also apply to umpc possibly. From wikipedia... Personal digital assistant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant, an electronic device which can include some of the functionality of a computer, /a cellphone/, a music player and a camera Also from wikipedia: The *Ultra-Mobile PC* (abbreviated *UMPC*), previously known by its codename *Project Origami*, is a specification for a small form factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_factor tablet PC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC. I consider the PepperPad3 and Samung Q1 umpcs. I generally categorize devices not by PIM/pda terms...but by their size (pocket pc, umpc). I consider the blown out digital phones to be merely pocket pc's but with cellular capability. The term smartphone has been applied to this. mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just saw this posted on Slashdot a bit aog: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19 Of course, they mis-characterize the 770 as a PDA, but the usage and development is interesting. Seems like a nice business to upsell the $350 Nokia tablet for $3000. K ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device
On Friday 09 February 2007 10:17:37 Mike Klein wrote: I think the 770/800 ARE pdas (in pocket pc form factor). A pda is a pocketable (generally) computer. The term PDA could also apply to umpc possibly. I see your point but to remember. PDA originally referred to Personal Digital Assistant aka palm handsprings et al. I'd not put the 770/n800 clan in that group myself. Then again PC originally meant Personal Computer not Windows Installed on x86 James From wikipedia... Personal digital assistant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant, an electronic device which can include some of the functionality of a computer, /a cellphone/, a music player and a camera Also from wikipedia: The *Ultra-Mobile PC* (abbreviated *UMPC*), previously known by its codename *Project Origami*, is a specification for a small form factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_factor tablet PC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC. I consider the PepperPad3 and Samung Q1 umpcs. I generally categorize devices not by PIM/pda terms...but by their size (pocket pc, umpc). I consider the blown out digital phones to be merely pocket pc's but with cellular capability. The term smartphone has been applied to this. mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just saw this posted on Slashdot a bit aog: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19 Of course, they mis-characterize the 770 as a PDA, but the usage and development is interesting. Seems like a nice business to upsell the $350 Nokia tablet for $3000. K ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device
Just saw this posted on Slashdot a bit aog: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19 Of course, they mis-characterize the 770 as a PDA, but the usage and development is interesting. Seems like a nice business to upsell the $350 Nokia tablet for $3000. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device
It must be customized ... 10x ?! On 2/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just saw this posted on Slashdot a bit aog: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19 Of course, they mis-characterize the 770 as a PDA, but the usage and development is interesting. Seems like a nice business to upsell the $350 Nokia tablet for $3000. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFy2V7E+4TUALb7FERAkVQAKDFsP9MqljZlkvXMEZiJ7wkXT9GzACeJ5LV fsP4ur0juTyWQIN6ea2HGaA= =6tET -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device
On 2/8/07, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It must be customized ... 10x ?! That's expensive software! Wonder if the customers know the cost of the original device? --Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device
Nothing new, thats a part of my business. It works fine if you watch your resources. Nobody take care of a guy with a pda (with kismet and aircrack with some modifications) but always watch the legal aspects. Its not a game. Pen. tests are not like wardriving where you look whats on Air around you. Possible users from law enforcement may choice this device because its easy to cover or could be place without viewable hint in form of cars with peoples. In my opinion (i wrote that in the past) the N770/N800 could be a powerful weapon. br Mathias 2007/2/8, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just saw this posted on Slashdot a bit aog: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19 Of course, they mis-characterize the 770 as a PDA, but the usage and development is interesting. Seems like a nice business to upsell the $350 Nokia tablet for $3000. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFy2V7E+4TUALb7FERAkVQAKDFsP9MqljZlkvXMEZiJ7wkXT9GzACeJ5LV fsP4ur0juTyWQIN6ea2HGaA= =6tET -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device
I think the bulk of that $3000 cost is that they provide support as well. Bodies on the phone aren't cheap, and the work on the UI probably took some time since that's what will really sell this device - making it easy for a novice like me to use :) However this does interest me and I'm thinking about what to put together. First steps is probably to kismet + aircrack working Toby On 2/8/07, Mathias Uebelacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing new, thats a part of my business. It works fine if you watch your resources. Nobody take care of a guy with a pda (with kismet and aircrack with some modifications) but always watch the legal aspects. Its not a game. Pen. tests are not like wardriving where you look whats on Air around you. Possible users from law enforcement may choice this device because its easy to cover or could be place without viewable hint in form of cars with peoples. In my opinion (i wrote that in the past) the N770/N800 could be a powerful weapon. br Mathias 2007/2/8, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just saw this posted on Slashdot a bit aog: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19 Of course, they mis-characterize the 770 as a PDA, but the usage and development is interesting. Seems like a nice business to upsell the $350 Nokia tablet for $3000. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFy2V7E+4TUALb7FERAkVQAKDFsP9MqljZlkvXMEZiJ7wkXT9GzACeJ5LV fsP4ur0juTyWQIN6ea2HGaA= =6tET -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device
agree this would make a cool utility with our tablets... pretty sure aircrack exists already On 2/8/07, Paul Klapperich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/07, Toby Proctor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First steps is probably to kismet + aircrack working Believe they already are. They are listed on the maemo.org 2006 application list wiki page. Haven't played much with them, but have them installed. --Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Thats right on the lowest level you use kismet to scan the networks and save the informations like SSID, CHANNEL ENCRYPTION TYPE. Then collect datas on a defined SSID. After that you get a nice dump file on your mmc. Now use aircrack to find the key. Thats the reason why you need both progs. but this lower level works fine with WEP. After collecting datas for abaout 15 - 30 Min. Aircrack needs about 5- 15 sec. to get the key. I like the gps option of kismet to. br Mathias PS Well i said it before but always watch the legal aspects. Play only with your own networks or take care.. - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: Gavin O' Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Cc: Maemo Users maemo-users@maemo.org Gesendet: Do., 8. Feb. 2007 19:26:19 GMT Betreff: Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device On 08/02/07, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agree this would make a cool utility with our tablets... pretty sure aircrack exists already As mentioned, kismet is there and already working. Aircrack appeared to have had the same bug that was fixed in kismet. Does it still have that bug, or has the fix propogated ? gpsd is a useful tool in conjunction with kismet. For a useful pen test tool, Nessus would be a rather interesting tool to port. Could be too heavy though the latest versions are closed source now. Gav ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 02:03:59PM -0500, Jonathan Greene wrote: agree this would make a cool utility with our tablets... pretty sure aircrack exists already Yup, I insstalled, those tools originally, but have not re-installeed since the last flash upgrade. Those kind of tools would be great on a bootable flash card. Anyway, I have mixed feelings about the Pen Test device. I think the price tag is high, but it sounds like they have put togeher a good product and if they provide good support as well, then people will definitely pay for convenience. I cannot off the top of my head think of its uses for law enforcement, but I am sure they exist. I do not agree with not making the device public. I know that there are more dangerous devices in the wild, so making this modded 770 slightly difficult to obtain does not protect anyone. My last thought is that any security admin worht his or her salt should be able to put something like this together without too much trouble. Where I see this company possibly making an interesting device is a version that is nearly the same but includes a dedicated processor for breaking encryption, like those old DES-busters a few years back. That would be interesting. Now I kind of want to see what I can put together on my 770 but I know i don't have the time. Hmm, I guess that's where their market it, huh? ;) K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
