Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-29 Thread Rick Bilonick 

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 12:40 +0100, Nils Faerber wrote:
> Matt Emson schrieb:
> > On 27 Jan 2009, at 17:36, Rick Bilonick wrote:
> >> I A2DP works in Maemo, it doesn't work out of the box. I have a
> >> Motorolla S9 stereo headset. It works with my N810 but not in stereo
> >> (I've tried).
> > 
> > IIRC, it was a dirty hack back in the ITOS2007 days. No idea if  
> > ITOS2008 improved that. Never owned a bluetooth headset, so no idea.
> 
> Bluetooth headsets in normal mono HSP mode work well on 2008 - you can
> pair one, it will be detected as HSP and will be automatically
> connected/reconnected.
> 
> But as far as I am aware of there is no A2DP (stereo) support in OS2008
> yet - though the Linux-BlueZ support is quite well by now.
> A2DP can have several sub-profiles defining the codec used to transport
> the audio stream, one of them is the "sbc" and there is also a MP3
> profile, i.e. you can directly stream MP3 data over A2DP to a headset
> that supports it. Most stereo headset though only support sbc not MP3 -
> and BlueZ A2DP currently only supports sbc.
> 
> Long story short: Linux-BlueZ can handle A2DP sbc but this is not yet
> properly integrated into OS2008.
> 
> Cheers
>   nils faerber
> 

Thanks for the detailed information. We need A2DP in OS2008. A2DP sounds
much better than just mono. I hope it gets added soon!

Rick B.

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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-29 Thread Nils Faerber 
Matt Emson schrieb:
> On 27 Jan 2009, at 17:36, Rick Bilonick wrote:
>> I A2DP works in Maemo, it doesn't work out of the box. I have a
>> Motorolla S9 stereo headset. It works with my N810 but not in stereo
>> (I've tried).
> 
> IIRC, it was a dirty hack back in the ITOS2007 days. No idea if  
> ITOS2008 improved that. Never owned a bluetooth headset, so no idea.

Bluetooth headsets in normal mono HSP mode work well on 2008 - you can
pair one, it will be detected as HSP and will be automatically
connected/reconnected.

But as far as I am aware of there is no A2DP (stereo) support in OS2008
yet - though the Linux-BlueZ support is quite well by now.
A2DP can have several sub-profiles defining the codec used to transport
the audio stream, one of them is the "sbc" and there is also a MP3
profile, i.e. you can directly stream MP3 data over A2DP to a headset
that supports it. Most stereo headset though only support sbc not MP3 -
and BlueZ A2DP currently only supports sbc.

Long story short: Linux-BlueZ can handle A2DP sbc but this is not yet
properly integrated into OS2008.

Cheers
  nils faerber

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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-27 Thread Matt Emson 

On 27 Jan 2009, at 17:36, Rick Bilonick wrote:
>>
>
> I A2DP works in Maemo, it doesn't work out of the box. I have a
> Motorolla S9 stereo headset. It works with my N810 but not in stereo
> (I've tried).

IIRC, it was a dirty hack back in the ITOS2007 days. No idea if  
ITOS2008 improved that. Never owned a bluetooth headset, so no idea.
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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-27 Thread Rick Bilonick 

On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 12:36 -0500, Rick Bilonick wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 09:31 +, Matt Emson wrote:
> > lakestevensdental wrote:
> > >   Finally, there are stereo bluetooth headsets that apparently can pair 
> > > with some (but not) all devices. Possibly because stereo protocols 
> > 
> > There are a number of different Stereo profiles for Bluetooth. I believe 
> > A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile) is the most common, but that 
> > relies on other elements that need to be in place. It's also uni 
> > directional. BlueZ supports it in Linux, so in theory, it should work, 
> > depending on which Bluetooth stack Maemo uses.
> 
> I A2DP works in Maemo, it doesn't work out of the box. I have a
> Motorolla S9 stereo headset. It works with my N810 but not in stereo
> (I've tried).
> 
> Rick B.

The "I" is supposed to be "If".

Rick B.

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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-27 Thread James Knott 
Mark wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM, James Knott  wrote:
>> Chiron Bloch wrote:
>>> I'm stumped on this one, when my Samsung headset is paired and connected
>>> SIP calls (and other audio) are routed to the headset automatically. I
>>> know this is a dumb question, but: are you sure the headset is connected
>>> (as well as paired). If the pairing is created and the headset is
>>> powered on, but seems not to be connected, try pressing the call button
>>> once to re-establish the connection (sometimes I have to do this when
>>> using my headset with a mobile phone).
>> According to "Device details" the N800 is connected to the headset and
>> the button at the bottom says "Disconnect".  Whenever I dial from the
>> N800, the audio still comes through the speakers.
>>
>>
> 
> Just a wild guess: do you have the FM Radio applet installed? It has a
> button that allows you to switch between the speakers and the headset
> jack. It might be interfering? I'm not sure if there are other
> settings that might affect it.
> 
> Also, is the connection type one that makes sense? Mine is HSP (headset).
> 
> I'm still running Chinook, though (the final version).

I can see an icon for the headset in the FM radio, though it's greyed 
out.  My connection is also HSP and the OS is 2007.  I have not upgraded 
to the latest.


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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-27 Thread James Knott 
Matt Emson wrote:
> lakestevensdental wrote:
>>   Finally, there are stereo bluetooth headsets that apparently can pair 
>> with some (but not) all devices. Possibly because stereo protocols 
> 
> There are a number of different Stereo profiles for Bluetooth. I believe 
> A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile) is the most common, but that 
> relies on other elements that need to be in place. It's also uni 
> directional. BlueZ supports it in Linux, so in theory, it should work, 
> depending on which Bluetooth stack Maemo uses.

My headset shows "HSP".


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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-27 Thread Rick Bilonick 

On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 09:31 +, Matt Emson wrote:
> lakestevensdental wrote:
> >   Finally, there are stereo bluetooth headsets that apparently can pair 
> > with some (but not) all devices. Possibly because stereo protocols 
> 
> There are a number of different Stereo profiles for Bluetooth. I believe 
> A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile) is the most common, but that 
> relies on other elements that need to be in place. It's also uni 
> directional. BlueZ supports it in Linux, so in theory, it should work, 
> depending on which Bluetooth stack Maemo uses.

I A2DP works in Maemo, it doesn't work out of the box. I have a
Motorolla S9 stereo headset. It works with my N810 but not in stereo
(I've tried).

Rick B.

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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-27 Thread Matt Emson 
lakestevensdental wrote:
>   Finally, there are stereo bluetooth headsets that apparently can pair 
> with some (but not) all devices. Possibly because stereo protocols 

There are a number of different Stereo profiles for Bluetooth. I believe 
A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile) is the most common, but that 
relies on other elements that need to be in place. It's also uni 
directional. BlueZ supports it in Linux, so in theory, it should work, 
depending on which Bluetooth stack Maemo uses.


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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread lakestevensdental 
Mark wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM, James Knott  wrote:
>   
>> Chiron Bloch wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm stumped on this one, when my Samsung headset is paired and connected 
>>> SIP calls (and other audio) are routed to the headset automatically. I know 
>>> this is a dumb question, but: are you sure the headset is connected (as 
>>> well as paired). If the pairing is created and the headset is powered on, 
>>> but seems not to be connected, try pressing the call button once to 
>>> re-establish the connection (sometimes I have to do this when using my 
>>> headset with a mobile phone).
>>>   
 You could losing out to your phone.  If you phone has been paired with 
your headset, when you put the headset in discovery mode, your phone may 
pick it up and automatically pair up before a connection with your 
tablet can be established.  If so, no available bluetooth devices may be 
shown on your tablet. 

  Also beware, even regular Bluetooth can broadcast quite some 
distance.  If I leave my bluetooth cell phone in my car, my earpiece can 
hook up (or remain hooked up) to the phone most anywhere in our 3000 sq 
foot house.  Take your phone out of bluetooth mode.  Ditto for any 
laptop or other device that has bluetooth, especially if it's been 
paired up with that headset. 

  Finally, there are stereo bluetooth headsets that apparently can pair 
with some (but not) all devices. Possibly because stereo protocols (and 
hardware requirements) may be different than mono-headset protocols.  I 
recently got a bluetooth stereo head set.  However, I haven't yet been 
able to get it to pair with my tablet or laptop (with bluetooth 
dongle).  I haven't tried with my phone yet.
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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread Mark 
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM, James Knott  wrote:
> Chiron Bloch wrote:
>> I'm stumped on this one, when my Samsung headset is paired and connected
>> SIP calls (and other audio) are routed to the headset automatically. I
>> know this is a dumb question, but: are you sure the headset is connected
>> (as well as paired). If the pairing is created and the headset is
>> powered on, but seems not to be connected, try pressing the call button
>> once to re-establish the connection (sometimes I have to do this when
>> using my headset with a mobile phone).
>
> According to "Device details" the N800 is connected to the headset and
> the button at the bottom says "Disconnect".  Whenever I dial from the
> N800, the audio still comes through the speakers.
>
>

Just a wild guess: do you have the FM Radio applet installed? It has a
button that allows you to switch between the speakers and the headset
jack. It might be interfering? I'm not sure if there are other
settings that might affect it.

Also, is the connection type one that makes sense? Mine is HSP (headset).

I'm still running Chinook, though (the final version).

Mark
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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread James Knott 
Chiron Bloch wrote:
> hmmm. have you tried pressing the call button (or other buttons) on
> the headset while a call is in progress (probably won't work, but it's
> all that springs to mind for me right now). The only other thing I can
> think of at the moment is to dig through the n800's settings,
> including the settings within the internet call app for an option to
> route audio.
>

I have tried the button on the headset and also looked for some setting,
somewhere.  :-(

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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread Chiron Bloch 
hmmm. have you tried pressing the call button (or other buttons) on the
headset while a call is in progress (probably won't work, but it's all that
springs to mind for me right now). The only other thing I can think of at
the moment is to dig through the n800's settings, including the settings
within the internet call app for an option to route audio.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:55 PM, James Knott wrote:

> Chiron Bloch wrote:
> > I'm stumped on this one, when my Samsung headset is paired and connected
> > SIP calls (and other audio) are routed to the headset automatically. I
> > know this is a dumb question, but: are you sure the headset is connected
> > (as well as paired). If the pairing is created and the headset is
> > powered on, but seems not to be connected, try pressing the call button
> > once to re-establish the connection (sometimes I have to do this when
> > using my headset with a mobile phone).
>
> According to "Device details" the N800 is connected to the headset and
> the button at the bottom says "Disconnect".  Whenever I dial from the
> N800, the audio still comes through the speakers.
>
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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread James Knott 
Chiron Bloch wrote:
> I'm stumped on this one, when my Samsung headset is paired and connected 
> SIP calls (and other audio) are routed to the headset automatically. I 
> know this is a dumb question, but: are you sure the headset is connected 
> (as well as paired). If the pairing is created and the headset is 
> powered on, but seems not to be connected, try pressing the call button 
> once to re-establish the connection (sometimes I have to do this when 
> using my headset with a mobile phone).

According to "Device details" the N800 is connected to the headset and 
the button at the bottom says "Disconnect".  Whenever I dial from the 
N800, the audio still comes through the speakers.


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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread Kevin T. Neely 
That is a tricky thing to remember.  The first time they are turned on,
headsets are automatically in "pairing mode".  After that, you have to
usually hit some sort of button voodoo to get them into it again.

K

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Chiron Bloch wrote:

> Are you sure the headset itself is in pairing mode?To activate pairing
> mode on the H350, start with the headset turned off, then press and hold the
> call button until the indicator light turns on and stays steadily lit. At
> this point the headset should be visible to the N800. If it is, attempt to
> pair with the headset and enter the default passcode for the headset
> (located in the documentation or online). Obviously disregard this if you
> have already attempted to pair the headset with pairing mode activated.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM, James Knott wrote:
>
>> Mark wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM, James Knott 
>> wrote:
>> >> Is it possible to connect a Bluetooth headset, such as those used with
>> >> cell phones to the N800?  I've tried connecting to a Motorola H350,
>> >> which I use with my cell phone, but the N800 doesn't see it.
>> >>
>> >> tnx jk
>> >>
>> >
>> > The procedure with the headset itself is of course the same as with
>> > anything else - put it in pairing mode. With the N800, go to Control
>> > Panel->Bluetooth. Make sure the "Bluetooth on" checkbox is checked,
>> > then click Devices->New. I don't remember whether or not "Visible"
>> > needs to be checked, but I think that's only necessary if the N800 is
>> > being used as a client, like as a remote control or something.
>> >
>> > My Jabra BT250v works fine with my N800.
>>
>> That's what I'm doing and while I can see several devices, I can't see
>> anything that I can identify as being my headset.
>>
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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread Chiron Bloch 
Are you sure the headset itself is in pairing mode?To activate pairing mode
on the H350, start with the headset turned off, then press and hold the call
button until the indicator light turns on and stays steadily lit. At this
point the headset should be visible to the N800. If it is, attempt to pair
with the headset and enter the default passcode for the headset (located in
the documentation or online). Obviously disregard this if you have already
attempted to pair the headset with pairing mode activated.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM, James Knott wrote:

> Mark wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM, James Knott 
> wrote:
> >> Is it possible to connect a Bluetooth headset, such as those used with
> >> cell phones to the N800?  I've tried connecting to a Motorola H350,
> >> which I use with my cell phone, but the N800 doesn't see it.
> >>
> >> tnx jk
> >>
> >
> > The procedure with the headset itself is of course the same as with
> > anything else - put it in pairing mode. With the N800, go to Control
> > Panel->Bluetooth. Make sure the "Bluetooth on" checkbox is checked,
> > then click Devices->New. I don't remember whether or not "Visible"
> > needs to be checked, but I think that's only necessary if the N800 is
> > being used as a client, like as a remote control or something.
> >
> > My Jabra BT250v works fine with my N800.
>
> That's what I'm doing and while I can see several devices, I can't see
> anything that I can identify as being my headset.
>
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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread James Knott 
Mark wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM, James Knott  wrote:
>> Is it possible to connect a Bluetooth headset, such as those used with
>> cell phones to the N800?  I've tried connecting to a Motorola H350,
>> which I use with my cell phone, but the N800 doesn't see it.
>>
>> tnx jk
>>
> 
> The procedure with the headset itself is of course the same as with
> anything else - put it in pairing mode. With the N800, go to Control
> Panel->Bluetooth. Make sure the "Bluetooth on" checkbox is checked,
> then click Devices->New. I don't remember whether or not "Visible"
> needs to be checked, but I think that's only necessary if the N800 is
> being used as a client, like as a remote control or something.
> 
> My Jabra BT250v works fine with my N800.

That's what I'm doing and while I can see several devices, I can't see 
anything that I can identify as being my headset.


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Re: Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread Mark 
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM, James Knott  wrote:
> Is it possible to connect a Bluetooth headset, such as those used with
> cell phones to the N800?  I've tried connecting to a Motorola H350,
> which I use with my cell phone, but the N800 doesn't see it.
>
> tnx jk
>

The procedure with the headset itself is of course the same as with
anything else - put it in pairing mode. With the N800, go to Control
Panel->Bluetooth. Make sure the "Bluetooth on" checkbox is checked,
then click Devices->New. I don't remember whether or not "Visible"
needs to be checked, but I think that's only necessary if the N800 is
being used as a client, like as a remote control or something.

My Jabra BT250v works fine with my N800.

HTH,
Mark
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Bluetooth headset - N800

2009-01-26 Thread James Knott 
Is it possible to connect a Bluetooth headset, such as those used with 
cell phones to the N800?  I've tried connecting to a Motorola H350, 
which I use with my cell phone, but the N800 doesn't see it.

tnx jk

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