Re: Disappearing Widgets.
Hi, ext James Sparenberg wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2007 01:10:02 am you wrote: ext James Sparenberg wrote: On Monday 17 December 2007 07:02:57 am you wrote: ext James Sparenberg wrote: First, Yes I understand 2008 is a beta. So please don't anyone get defensive. But I think I have a case somehow of application vs 2008 and I'm trying to track it down. Can't file a bug until I can say do this and that happens or at least say what is happening. I'm about to do a 3rd re-install this weekend. Each one is promted by the same thing. After a restart (last on promted by a need to change battery for a charged one while out) I loose all visible widgets. No buttons (I've the text) no progress or scroll bars, nothing. Now the functionality is still there. If I guess the location of a scroll button it will scroll, Buttons though only defined by the text that was on them still push. Did you see this issue right after boot, or only after using the device for a while? Usually withing about 10 or 12 hours of use (yes I use it heavily probably 6-8 hours a day.) I seem to recall someone having this kind of event in the past and a cure existing. Though for the life of me I can't remember what it was. Any suggestions would be appreciated as this is #3 event in 3 days. Though the remember what was installed feature of 2008 is working well. I've never heard of this issue, so I assume it's 3rd party SW issue. What you have installed? Any 3rd party themes for example? Hm. I just remembered that I saw an effect like this in some devel version of ITOS2006 on N770. The reason was that some process had used all the file descriptors and therefore Gtk apps couldn't get shared memory segments with the X server and sapwood server couldn't load new theme images. However, Chinook has a large enough amount of file descriptors that you can have all the pre-installed apps in use and one that has leaked as many file descriptors as a single process can (thousand) and the device still works. So, this might not be the cause. But to make sure, please mail what this gives: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr Yes! I knew I'd seen something about this ... Thanks! OK I'll try doing some of the things I was doing (once the load on the repositories clears up.) I'll actually try and force it since I'm going to update to the newer version anyway. One of the things that I didn't mention that does come to mind now is that in each case I did have some kind of desktop application lockup and had to do a shutdown using the long power button method. Not yet. Havent found any for 2008. Though I am begining to suspect either Xournal or OMWeather. (or both.) OMWeather was earlier leaking very badly (and because it's a Desktop plugin and Desktop is OOM-protected, the applet could force device to get very slow and eventually to reboot). Please attach /proc/meminfo file contents from the situation when this happens. Eero I will and can. Like I said I've narrowed it down to 2 apps giving me problems in running right, OMWeather and Xournal. Additionally is there any way to reset file descriptors in GTK? Inside the process causing this issue, from the code? Just close the files (if the code still retains their FD or FILE pointer). If you just want to get more file descriptors to the system, either kill the offending process or echo a larger number to /proc/sys/fs/file-max. (it can be increased at runtime) To get the already running processes to re-load the (graphics) files they couldn't get earlier, you might need to restart them. If I could I could then run tests over and over quickly without reflash and narrow down the problem. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Disappearing Widgets.
Hi, I have seen the same on my N800 with OS 2008 beta. It happens when dialog windows popup. The dialogs still work fine but are plain white without anything in it. The device might be low on memory in this situation. Maybe Cairo simply refuses to render widgets if it's low on memory? Cheers, Martin 2007/12/18, Tuomas Kuosmanen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 18:26 -0800, ext James Sparenberg wrote: Nope right now just running the stock 0S2008 BAF themes (Big A** Font) the 2007 ones wouldn't even install if I tried as dependencies don't match. You just go along for hours ... and have to restart to switch batteries for example or any other reason and suddenly sans widgets. Visual only the function remains. Yeah, like Eero said, this sounds really strange. I have not seen this ever lately (and I have seen quite a few interesting effects while we were hacking on the theme config stuff when developing it) If the theme configuration file contains some errors, this will cause nasty breakage, but it would most likely require that you installed something that touched the theme files. You mean it just comes up with blank widgets after a reboot, or does it happen while it runs? I guess the only way to figure this out is to try to narrow down the cases when it happens..? The only idea I have right now is that you reflash the device, and note down *everything* you install and see if it happens again. //Tuomas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Disappearing Widgets.
Hi, ext James Sparenberg wrote: On Monday 17 December 2007 07:02:57 am you wrote: ext James Sparenberg wrote: First, Yes I understand 2008 is a beta. So please don't anyone get defensive. But I think I have a case somehow of application vs 2008 and I'm trying to track it down. Can't file a bug until I can say do this and that happens or at least say what is happening. I'm about to do a 3rd re-install this weekend. Each one is promted by the same thing. After a restart (last on promted by a need to change battery for a charged one while out) I loose all visible widgets. No buttons (I've the text) no progress or scroll bars, nothing. Now the functionality is still there. If I guess the location of a scroll button it will scroll, Buttons though only defined by the text that was on them still push. Did you see this issue right after boot, or only after using the device for a while? I seem to recall someone having this kind of event in the past and a cure existing. Though for the life of me I can't remember what it was. Any suggestions would be appreciated as this is #3 event in 3 days. Though the remember what was installed feature of 2008 is working well. I've never heard of this issue, so I assume it's 3rd party SW issue. What you have installed? Any 3rd party themes for example? Hm. I just remembered that I saw an effect like this in some devel version of ITOS2006 on N770. The reason was that some process had used all the file descriptors and therefore Gtk apps couldn't get shared memory segments with the X server and sapwood server couldn't load new theme images. However, Chinook has a large enough amount of file descriptors that you can have all the pre-installed apps in use and one that has leaked as many file descriptors as a single process can (thousand) and the device still works. So, this might not be the cause. But to make sure, please mail what this gives: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr Not yet. Havent found any for 2008. Though I am begining to suspect either Xournal or OMWeather. (or both.) OMWeather was earlier leaking very badly (and because it's a Desktop plugin and Desktop is OOM-protected, the applet could force device to get very slow and eventually to reboot). Please attach /proc/meminfo file contents from the situation when this happens. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Disappearing Widgets.
On Tuesday 18 December 2007 12:00:15 am Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 18:26 -0800, ext James Sparenberg wrote: Nope right now just running the stock 0S2008 BAF themes (Big A** Font) the 2007 ones wouldn't even install if I tried as dependencies don't match. You just go along for hours ... and have to restart to switch batteries for example or any other reason and suddenly sans widgets. Visual only the function remains. Yeah, like Eero said, this sounds really strange. I have not seen this ever lately (and I have seen quite a few interesting effects while we were hacking on the theme config stuff when developing it) If the theme configuration file contains some errors, this will cause nasty breakage, but it would most likely require that you installed something that touched the theme files. You mean it just comes up with blank widgets after a reboot, or does it happen while it runs? I guess the only way to figure this out is to try to narrow down the cases when it happens..? The only idea I have right now is that you reflash the device, and note down *everything* you install and see if it happens again. //Tuomas Agreed on all of the above. If it hadn't happened 3 times I wouldn't have worried. One thing though hasn't happened since Sunday and the last install I did I intentionally left OMWeather and Xournal off. It is blanking after a reboot and the first sign of problem is that the lock panel coms up as a white square with numbers. (nobuttons no colors) Then when it starts the left panel is gone (but icons are there) colors are all wonky in the menu as the highlight doesn't work right. Added to that all internal borders/buttons and progress bars are MIA. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Disappearing Widgets.
On Tuesday 18 December 2007 12:37:11 am Tapani Pälli wrote: ext Martin Grimme wrote: Hi, I have seen the same on my N800 with OS 2008 beta. It happens when dialog windows popup. The dialogs still work fine but are plain white without anything in it. The device might be low on memory in this situation. Maybe Cairo simply refuses to render widgets if it's low on memory? Do these dialog's still have borders or is it just a white rectangle on screen? Best example is the lock screen when starting up. black background with numbers on a white square. James Cheers, Martin 2007/12/18, Tuomas Kuosmanen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 18:26 -0800, ext James Sparenberg wrote: Nope right now just running the stock 0S2008 BAF themes (Big A** Font) the 2007 ones wouldn't even install if I tried as dependencies don't match. You just go along for hours ... and have to restart to switch batteries for example or any other reason and suddenly sans widgets. Visual only the function remains. Yeah, like Eero said, this sounds really strange. I have not seen this ever lately (and I have seen quite a few interesting effects while we were hacking on the theme config stuff when developing it) If the theme configuration file contains some errors, this will cause nasty breakage, but it would most likely require that you installed something that touched the theme files. You mean it just comes up with blank widgets after a reboot, or does it happen while it runs? I guess the only way to figure this out is to try to narrow down the cases when it happens..? The only idea I have right now is that you reflash the device, and note down *everything* you install and see if it happens again. //Tuomas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users // Tapani Pälli ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Disappearing Widgets.
Hi, ext James Sparenberg wrote: First, Yes I understand 2008 is a beta. So please don't anyone get defensive. But I think I have a case somehow of application vs 2008 and I'm trying to track it down. Can't file a bug until I can say do this and that happens or at least say what is happening. I'm about to do a 3rd re-install this weekend. Each one is promted by the same thing. After a restart (last on promted by a need to change battery for a charged one while out) I loose all visible widgets. No buttons (I've the text) no progress or scroll bars, nothing. Now the functionality is still there. If I guess the location of a scroll button it will scroll, Buttons though only defined by the text that was on them still push. I seem to recall someone having this kind of event in the past and a cure existing. Though for the life of me I can't remember what it was. Any suggestions would be appreciated as this is #3 event in 3 days. Though the remember what was installed feature of 2008 is working well. I've never heard of this issue, so I assume it's 3rd party SW issue. What you have installed? Any 3rd party themes for example? - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Disappearing Widgets.
On Monday 17 December 2007 03:27:41 am Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 12:43 -0800, ext James Sparenberg wrote: OK, First, Yes I understand 2008 is a beta. So please don't anyone get defensive. But I think I have a case somehow of application vs 2008 and I'm trying to track it down. Can't file a bug until I can say do this and that happens or at least say what is happening. I'm about to do a 3rd re-install this weekend. Each one is promted by the same thing. After a restart (last on promted by a need to change battery for a charged one while out) I loose all visible widgets. No buttons (I've the text) no progress or scroll bars, nothing. Now the functionality is still there. If I guess the location of a scroll button it will scroll, Buttons though only defined by the text that was on them still push. I seem to recall someone having this kind of event in the past and a cure existing. Though for the life of me I can't remember what it was. Any suggestions would be appreciated as this is #3 event in 3 days. Though the remember what was installed feature of 2008 is working well. What theme are you using? Did you install something theme-related? This sounds like you have a broken theme that messes things up.. Like, if you have os2007 themes, those *do not work* on OS2008 since there are changes, and things might likely get broken. Or something else is corrupting the files..? //Tuomas Nope right now just running the stock 0S2008 BAF themes (Big A** Font) the 2007 ones wouldn't even install if I tried as dependencies don't match. You just go along for hours ... and have to restart to switch batteries for example or any other reason and suddenly sans widgets. Visual only the function remains. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Disappearing Widgets.
On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 18:26 -0800, ext James Sparenberg wrote: Nope right now just running the stock 0S2008 BAF themes (Big A** Font) the 2007 ones wouldn't even install if I tried as dependencies don't match. You just go along for hours ... and have to restart to switch batteries for example or any other reason and suddenly sans widgets. Visual only the function remains. Yeah, like Eero said, this sounds really strange. I have not seen this ever lately (and I have seen quite a few interesting effects while we were hacking on the theme config stuff when developing it) If the theme configuration file contains some errors, this will cause nasty breakage, but it would most likely require that you installed something that touched the theme files. You mean it just comes up with blank widgets after a reboot, or does it happen while it runs? I guess the only way to figure this out is to try to narrow down the cases when it happens..? The only idea I have right now is that you reflash the device, and note down *everything* you install and see if it happens again. //Tuomas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Disappearing Widgets.
OK, First, Yes I understand 2008 is a beta. So please don't anyone get defensive. But I think I have a case somehow of application vs 2008 and I'm trying to track it down. Can't file a bug until I can say do this and that happens or at least say what is happening. I'm about to do a 3rd re-install this weekend. Each one is promted by the same thing. After a restart (last on promted by a need to change battery for a charged one while out) I loose all visible widgets. No buttons (I've the text) no progress or scroll bars, nothing. Now the functionality is still there. If I guess the location of a scroll button it will scroll, Buttons though only defined by the text that was on them still push. I seem to recall someone having this kind of event in the past and a cure existing. Though for the life of me I can't remember what it was. Any suggestions would be appreciated as this is #3 event in 3 days. Though the remember what was installed feature of 2008 is working well. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
