Re: N800 as a Business Productivity Tool - Mail
On 2/16/07, Acadia Secure Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For starters, although the N800 allows the user to create multiple mailboxes, it only seems to maintain one set of IMAP folders. This is a non-starter. My N800 mail client doesn't handle IMAP folders at all. I had it log in to my IMAP server, but none of my folders showed up except the inbox. Am I missing something? mathew -- URL:http://www.pobox.com/~meta/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 as a Business Productivity Tool - Mail
On Mon Feb 19 16:01:53 2007, mathew wrote: My N800 mail client doesn't handle IMAP folders at all. I had it log in to my IMAP server, but none of my folders showed up except the inbox. Am I missing something? No, you're not. You can use Andrew Flegg's port of Sylpheed if you want something that's fully functional now, or you can play with Telomer if you want something that's limited, but loosely working. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 as a Business Productivity Tool - Mail
On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 10:01:53AM -0600, mathew wrote: On 2/16/07, Acadia Secure Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For starters, although the N800 allows the user to create multiple mailboxes, it only seems to maintain one set of IMAP folders. This is a non-starter. My N800 mail client doesn't handle IMAP folders at all. I had it log in to my IMAP server, but none of my folders showed up except the inbox. Am I missing something? Only the fact that N800's mail client is pretty much useless. You'll have to wait for Modest. Marius Gedminas -- Be cheerful. Strive to be happy Oh, and we just set fire to your desktop. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 as a Business Productivity Tool
On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 17:09 -0500, Acadia Secure Networks wrote: If I had had some of the standard network tools installed on the N800 (e.g. ping, and perhaps even nmap) I could have performed further diagnostic testing of the broadband router EVDO network connection (e.g. to confirm that the firewall was enabled and working correctly). This is filed here: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=989 The bluetooth Icon should remain in the system tray (or whatever it is called) even when Bluetooth is turned off. Or at lest the option to configure it to do so should be made a configuration option for the tablet-top. This would make it faster to toggle the bluetooth receive on and off if there is a difficult pairing situation with another balky bluetooth device. This is filed here: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=971 nmap is available from here: http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/ Note that I use openvpn + vncviewer on my N800 to control my desktop from anywhere, it is useful if you need to do complex things (eg: for complex sites the N800 does not display, or to access my evolution mail client). Hope this helps, Laurent http://guerby.org/blog/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 as a Business Productivity Tool
Have you ever tried ssh -X ? 2007/2/18, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Note that I use openvpn + vncviewer on my N800 to control my desktop from anywhere, it is useful if you need to do complex things (eg: for complex sites the N800 does not display, or to access my evolution mail client). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 as a Business Productivity Tool
That's great. I thought vncviewer was slower than sshX. I'll try it as well. What do you use as vnc server? X11vnc? Isn't that a security problem? 2007/2/19, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 00:23 +0100, sebastian maemo wrote: Have you ever tried ssh -X ? It works (when low latency) but applications are not usable because they do not handle well (read: not at all) the input methods of the N800. If you launch xterm you won't be able to type anything in for example. The vncviewer port does a great job on input (and has no problem with latencies). Laurent ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 as a Business Productivity Tool
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 05:09:11PM -0500, Acadia Secure Networks wrote: Navigating the router admin port www pages was a little extra work (scrolling of 2 levels nested windows) but with the N800 I was still able to perform the necessary configuration adjustments on I would think that installing the ssh client would make router configuration much easier. Of course, then you will likely need a keyboard, as well, but mine is as small as my 770. The ssh client would also cirumvent the problems associated with ActiveX, flash, Java, etc. As others have commented, the N800 mail client really needs improvement. It is nowhere year as useable useful as the Windows Mobile 5.0 (I call it Outlook-lite) client on my handset. For I have given up on the built-in mail client, using mutt on my home server 95% of the time. I only fire it up when I know I am going to be without connectivity for a while and have some mail to go through. Even then, I will likely scan with mutt first and get rid of a number of messages quickly. There needs to be a reader for Microsoft word .doc's, Excel .xls files, and Powerpoint .ppt files Perhaps a stripped down version of Openoffice would be a workable solution for this requirement. I have not tried, indeed, I am a bit afraid, to try the Google Docs spreadsheets for this function. It should be simple to forward a message with one of these docs to the appropriate import email address and then view via the browser; if it could handle it, and I worry that the 770 cannot. Maybe it or the 800 would handle it just fine. I need to check it out. Also, I believe gnumeric is available for maemo. I have also seen abiword, but cannot figure out how to install it. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 as a Business Productivity Tool
K, many of the router and 802.11 access point products with which I work are designed around the assumption that the predominant, and, in most cases, the only method of effecting remote (i.e. via the TCP/IP stack as opposed to a serial port) management is via http or, preferably, https to a www server. On the router side most of my experience is with the products of Cisco/Linksys but I assume that the others, e.g. Dlink, Netgear, Belkin, etc. use the same approach given the ubiquity, familiarty, ease of use of a www browser based client end interface. Regarding the mail client I believe Nokia has to fix this, and do so sooner as opposed to later. For business use, email is still the killer data app (somewhat to my surprise that it is still so after all these years) and for Nokia to have missed the opportunity to get this right just amazes me. the N800 won't be a viable business tool until they correct this, in my opinion, fatal software flaw/shortcoming. Now maybe that is a market that Nokia is not interested in for this product but I think that would be a mistake, especially since fixing it is a SMOP (Small Matter of Programming). Best Regards, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 05:09:11PM -0500, Acadia Secure Networks wrote: Navigating the router admin port www pages was a little extra work (scrolling of 2 levels nested windows) but with the N800 I was still able to perform the necessary configuration adjustments on I would think that installing the ssh client would make router configuration much easier. Of course, then you will likely need a keyboard, as well, but mine is as small as my 770. The ssh client would also cirumvent the problems associated with ActiveX, flash, Java, etc. As others have commented, the N800 mail client really needs improvement. It is nowhere year as useable useful as the Windows Mobile 5.0 (I call it Outlook-lite) client on my handset. For I have given up on the built-in mail client, using mutt on my home server 95% of the time. I only fire it up when I know I am going to be without connectivity for a while and have some mail to go through. Even then, I will likely scan with mutt first and get rid of a number of messages quickly. There needs to be a reader for Microsoft word .doc's, Excel .xls files, and Powerpoint .ppt files Perhaps a stripped down version of Openoffice would be a workable solution for this requirement. I have not tried, indeed, I am a bit afraid, to try the Google Docs spreadsheets for this function. It should be simple to forward a message with one of these docs to the appropriate import email address and then view via the browser; if it could handle it, and I worry that the 770 cannot. Maybe it or the 800 would handle it just fine. I need to check it out. Also, I believe gnumeric is available for maemo. I have also seen abiword, but cannot figure out how to install it. K ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 as a Business Productivity Tool
On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:17:31PM -0500, Acadia Secure Networks wrote: many of the router and 802.11 access point products with which I work are designed around the assumption that the predominant, and, in most cases, the only method of effecting remote (i.e. via the TCP/IP stack as opposed to a serial port) management is via http Ahh, I made the mistake of thinking you meant something like a Cisco Catalyst of Juniper router, or managed switches. The IT does seem pretty ideal for quick and dirty management of those consumer-end devices you mention. In fact, I should try it next time I needto configure one! Regarding the mail client I believe Nokia has to fix this, and do so sooner as opposed to later. For business use, email is still the killer data app (somewhat to my surprise that it is still so after all these years) and for Nokia to have missed the opportunity Agreed. I went ahead and tried the Gmail Docs and spreadsheets, and it did not work: would not accept the browser version. I think that would be the ideal solution, since the IT will be hard-pressed to keep up with the data storage requirements of many users' e-mail usage. It could be done with large flash cards, but seems easier just to let Google handle all the data. Assuming you don't mind that they have it. I also tried to install Gnumeric, as I liked what I saw on my XUbuntu installationn. No dice, it just failed without an error. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
N800 as a Business Productivity Tool
All, Here are some thoughts on the use of the N800 and its successors as a business productivity tool as well as a fun, casual entertainment/consumer oriented device. As one who has carried (in the early days lugged) laptops and before that, dumb terminals, literally around the world for business purposes, and especially for that killer app, email, I was very interested in the possibility of a product/device that would allow me to intentionally lose the laptop. To that end I performed a somewhat (not too) risky experiment yesterday by NOT bringing my trusty laptop with me to a critical customer install of some broadband wireless (on both the WAN and the LAN side) router equipment but, instead, bringing along my trusty N800 and, as I typically do, my EVDO broadband service enabled mobile phone. Now I knew that if I really got in trouble I could count on this customer having plenty of desktop and notebook computer horsepower at hand but my goal was to not have to avail myself of that contingency resource. In short, the experiment was a mostly unqualified success. Using the N800 I was able to a) drill into the router admin http port of the broadband wireless router from the 802.11 side to perform configuration via the www admin interface and diagnose configuration issues and, later b) connect the N800 to my EVDO enabled mobile phone via Bluetooth to verify that the EVDO signal was in fact strong enough inside of the building where the router is installed to be useful for Internet access by test browsing Internet www pages from the N800. Navigating the router admin port www pages was a little extra work (scrolling of 2 levels nested windows) but with the N800 I was still able to perform the necessary configuration adjustments on the router. Although my mobile phone also has 802.11 capability I have found that the screen size of that device (a UTStarcom 6700) is just too small and not productive for real config work like I was performing successfully with the N800. The N800, with its full VGA and larger screen size, and www page zoom capability seems to be a very workable compromise to a notebook/laptop as long as the www site does not have stuff (e.g. active-x etc) that does not render/work in the N800 browser.. If I had had some of the standard network tools installed on the N800 (e.g. ping, and perhaps even nmap) I could have performed further diagnostic testing of the broadband router EVDO network connection (e.g. to confirm that the firewall was enabled and working correctly). Some additional observations/comments re: N800 usability: +'s One interesting aspect of the N800 bluetooth capability that I discovered during this implementation project is that the the bluetooth signal was strong enough between the N800 and my mobile phone that even when the N800 was ~20 ft from the handset and separated by an inside wall and a cubicle wall I was still able to keep the pairing active and have broadband network access via the mobile phone Finally I want to mention that although I have used my mobile phone to browse the www while on the underground (subway)system in my area, the experience is much more productive when using the N800 paired with the mobile phone, than using the mobile phone by itself, again, because of the large screen size, higher resolution, etc. of the N800 vs a mobile phone. This is an environment where, especially during the crowding conditions during rush hour it is neither practical nor unobtrusive to whip out a laptop to try to accomplish some simple Internet related task. On the other hand the N800 paired with a mobile phone is quite satisfactory. -'s www sites with embedded objects (e.g. flash) that do not render well or very slowly in the N800 browser. In this respect, ironically, it seems that the Microsoft www site including the Mobile www page works no worse than and, perhaps, a little bit better than Nokia's own www site in the N800 browser. As others have commented, the N800 mail client really needs improvement. It is nowhere year as useable useful as the Windows Mobile 5.0 (I call it Outlook-lite) client on my handset. For starters, although the N800 allows the user to create multiple mailboxes, it only seems to maintain one set of IMAP folders. This is a non-starter. There needs to be a reader for Microsoft word .doc's, Excel .xls files, and Powerpoint .ppt files Perhaps a stripped down version of Openoffice would be a workable solution for this requirement. The bluetooth Icon should remain in the system tray (or whatever it is called) even when Bluetooth is turned off. Or at lest the option to configure it to do so should be made a configuration option for the tablet-top. This would make it faster to toggle the bluetooth receive on and off if there is a difficult pairing situation with
