Re: [OT] Justifying my contribution (was Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201)

[sebastian maemo]

Exactly. I think that's the clue... If you think that a project lacks of a
good tutorial or general information, a dedicated blog would solve that
issue and you don't need to bother anyone else. That's what happened, for
example, with Frantisek's excellent tools to reflash the 770... I didn't
like the short and hard tutorial about it, and he advised me to write a
MaemoWiki about it... That's how pretty HowToEasilyBootFromMMC was born ;-)

Salut,
Sebas.

2007/10/15, Tilman Vogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> If you feel some project (or Linux or open source as a whole) deserves
> more attention, go ahead, do the research and write some blog posts.
>
>
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Re: [OT] Justifying my contribution (was Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201)

[Tilman Vogel]

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DrFredC.com schrieb:
> I gather from your statement that you are in favor of allowing MS to
> continue to dominate the marketplace?   No?   Hmmm,  curious 
> Because that's the end result of your attitude towards marketing.

I don't care about MS dominating the marketplace! I am happy that I
don't have to use it, so I also try to contribute a little to open source.

If you like open source and cannot contribute code or such, than maybe
contributing marketing is fine. I wouldn't mind. But please don't tell
me how to shape my leisure time activities.

> However, if you'd like to see less of MS, and more open source stuff,
> get a clue -- market your open source products with a good description
> of what it does and how it does it as well or better than other stuff
> out there.  It doesn't take a marketing department to do these basics...

I just do exactly the right amount of marketing which consists of
writing news items and maintaining application catalogue entries. And
the reason, why this is "exactly right", is that I am the only one to
judge as I don't get paid or am otherwise obliged to justify to anybody
else. And that's what I don't like: You behave like a marketing boss to me.

If you feel some project (or Linux or open source as a whole) deserves
more attention, go ahead, do the research and write some blog posts.

Regards,

Tilman
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Re: [OT] Justifying my contribution (was Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201)

[Peter Bart]

On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 00:32 +0200, Tilman Vogel wrote:
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> I ported that for myself and I am happy if it's of use for others.
> That's why I loaded it up to garage.maemo.org, published a news item and
> created application catalogue entries.
> 
> I can't tell you if you need it. If you want to find out, go ahead and
> read about it.
> 
> (Hint: If you own a Wintec WBT-201, probably yes.
> If not, probably no. Just clicking the link in my original message was
> enough to find that out!)
> 
> For marketing, talk to Nokia. That's not the business of open source
> contributors. I don't want to sell anything.
> 
> (BTW, I completely disagree with your statement about "quality"
> products: I almost exclusively use quality software which basically
> doesn't waste any effort into marketing.)
> 
> Tilman

Very well said!!!

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[OT] Justifying my contribution (was Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201)

[Tilman Vogel]

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I ported that for myself and I am happy if it's of use for others.
That's why I loaded it up to garage.maemo.org, published a news item and
created application catalogue entries.

I can't tell you if you need it. If you want to find out, go ahead and
read about it.

(Hint: If you own a Wintec WBT-201, probably yes.
If not, probably no. Just clicking the link in my original message was
enough to find that out!)

For marketing, talk to Nokia. That's not the business of open source
contributors. I don't want to sell anything.

(BTW, I completely disagree with your statement about "quality"
products: I almost exclusively use quality software which basically
doesn't waste any effort into marketing.)

Tilman


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Is there an equivalent of "maemo-bt-plugin" for the N800? (was: Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201)

[Tilman Vogel]

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Rainer Dorsch schrieb:
> thanks, that is very nice news. I describe what I did (hope the helps others):
> 
> First I noticed, that I did not find the package via apt-get. Is gpsbabel not 
> yet in a apt compatible respository?

No, I don't have a debian repository yet. Sorry! Maybe I'll ask at
maemo.org if I may use their extra repository soon. Anyway, I wanted to
gain some confidence that the port works for people before I put it in
some repository...

> I downloaded it manually. 

> I had to install libusb and libcairo2 manually to get gpsbabel and GTK GRays 
> 2 
> installed.

Yes, without an apt repository, that's the way to go...

> After GTK GRays-2 started :-)

:-)

> I tried to communicate with the wintec device, but got an "error opening 
> device /dev/rfcomm0".
> 
> Do you know if I have to do anything additionally to get bluetooth working?

Well, on the 770 there is the very convienient maemo-bt-plugin which
supports Bluetooth keyboards and GPS devices. For the latter it exactly
takes care of setting up /dev/rfcomm0.

I was surprised to find out that this does not exist for the N800 but
suspected that there must be some onboard tool which does that and make
maemo-bt-plugin obsolete. Obviously I was wrong.

Does anybody know anything about that? Is there a reason for
maemo-bt-plugin not to exist for the N800?

Regards,

Tilman

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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hi  Jonathan,

just seen your post, which seems to be the answer to my question

Am Sonntag, 14. Oktober 2007 12:16 schrieb Jonathan Hudson:
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:19:36 +0200
>
> Tilman Vogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > just wanted to let you know that I released the initial version of my
> > port of GTK G-Rays 2 to "maemo". This also includes gpsbabel-1.3.4 for
> > IT OS 2006 and 2007. The N800 version is untested, though, as I donot
> > have such a device.
> >
> > https://garage.maemo.org/projects/g-rays2/
>
> The N800 version works just fine. Excellent job. Pity the N800 owning
> original author was too lazy to do this months ago :-).
>
> Just in case anyone needs to know, you can get the
> required /dev/rfcomm0 up from a script something like:
>
> #!/bin/sh
>
> # GPS BT address goes here
> BTADDR=00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
>
> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply \
>  --dest=com.nokia.btcond /com/nokia/btcond/request \
>  com.nokia.btcond.request.rfcomm_bind string:$BTADDR string:SPP

That makes the tool hard to use for a beginner. Couldn't you add a field BT 
Address to the G-Rays 2 GUI and add a button create bluetooth interface?

> In order to have the BT device (vice the USB device) as the default,
> edit ~/.config/g-rays2/g-rays2rc to read:
>
> [g-rays2]
> devices=/dev/rfcomm0

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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hi Tilman,

thanks, that is very nice news. I describe what I did (hope the helps others):

First I noticed, that I did not find the package via apt-get. Is gpsbabel not 
yet in a apt compatible respository?

I downloaded it manually. 

I had to install libusb and libcairo2 manually to get gpsbabel and GTK GRays 2 
installed.

After GTK GRays-2 started :-)

I tried to communicate with the wintec device, but got an "error opening 
device /dev/rfcomm0".

Do you know if I have to do anything additionally to get bluetooth working?

Rainer

Am Sonntag, 14. Oktober 2007 02:19 schrieb Tilman Vogel:
> Hi,
>
> just wanted to let you know that I released the initial version of my
> port of GTK G-Rays 2 to "maemo". This also includes gpsbabel-1.3.4 for
> IT OS 2006 and 2007. The N800 version is untested, though, as I donot
> have such a device.
>
> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/g-rays2/
>
> Regards,
>
> Tilman

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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[DrFredC.com]

Peter Bart wrote:

  On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 19:59 -0700, DrFredC.com wrote:
 wind blowing
  
  
ks for providing such a nice link of exhibit B thru Z of Maemo/Linux
circular logic.  Did you actually check the google page you nicely
provided for clarifying what GTK G-rays is about? 

  In other words, the Googled links describe even less about GTK G-rays as exhibit A above.  Clear as mud... 

  
  
Dr Fred,
	Do *not* email me for any reason off list.
Thank You,
  

Will do.  However, if you check, I think you'll find you sent me an
email response that was off-list, hence I replied off list.  Your bad,
not mine...  
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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Jonathan Hudson]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:19:36 +0200
Tilman Vogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> just wanted to let you know that I released the initial version of my
> port of GTK G-Rays 2 to "maemo". This also includes gpsbabel-1.3.4 for
> IT OS 2006 and 2007. The N800 version is untested, though, as I donot
> have such a device.
> 
> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/g-rays2/
> 

The N800 version works just fine. Excellent job. Pity the N800 owning
original author was too lazy to do this months ago :-).

Just in case anyone needs to know, you can get the
required /dev/rfcomm0 up from a script something like:

#!/bin/sh

# GPS BT address goes here
BTADDR=00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx

dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply \
 --dest=com.nokia.btcond /com/nokia/btcond/request \
 com.nokia.btcond.request.rfcomm_bind string:$BTADDR string:SPP

In order to have the BT device (vice the USB device) as the default,
edit ~/.config/g-rays2/g-rays2rc to read:

[g-rays2]
devices=/dev/rfcomm0


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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Peter Bart]

On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 19:59 -0700, DrFredC.com wrote:
 wind blowing
> ks for providing such a nice link of exhibit B thru Z of Maemo/Linux
> circular logic.  Did you actually check the google page you nicely
> provided for clarifying what GTK G-rays is about? 
> 
>   In other words, the Googled links describe even less about GTK G-rays as 
> exhibit A above.  Clear as mud... 

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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[DrFredC.com]

Tilman Vogel wrote:

  
just wanted to let you know that I released the initial version of my
port of GTK G-Rays 2 to "maemo". This also includes gpsbabel-1.3.4 for
IT OS 2006 and 2007. The N800 version is untested, though, as I donot
have such a device.

Great.  I gather you are not in marketing? 

In other words, do you think you could possibly describe exactly
what your contribution does in simple english for those of us who dozed
off when the turnip truck passed the GTK G-Rays sign post?  

IMHO, way too many Maemo contributers seem to think that everyone on
this list (and those visiting Maemo) knows what the gonzo's their hard
work and contribution to Maemo actually does as if everyone visiting
Maemo is some Linux computer geek.  

Guys -- it's time to get a clue.  There's many reasons the Linux/Maemo
world stays perpetually in the background -- see above (or visit it's
Maemo web page) for one of the latest exhibits of this (lack of
marketing) problem.  Quality products put almost as much effort into
marketing their work as is put into developing it.  
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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Tilman Vogel]

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Hi,

just wanted to let you know that I released the initial version of my
port of GTK G-Rays 2 to "maemo". This also includes gpsbabel-1.3.4 for
IT OS 2006 and 2007. The N800 version is untested, though, as I donot
have such a device.

https://garage.maemo.org/projects/g-rays2/

Regards,

Tilman



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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Brad Midgley]

Guys

I made a patch for maemo-mapper to give it menu options to load or
erase the wintec log. Much easier than the command line, especially on
a hiking trip :)

https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1193&group_id=29&atid=188

If you want to try it and you don't have scratchbox set up, I have a
test build I could put online.

Brad

On 5/20/07, Jonathan Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rainer,
>
> Sorry, I don't have a 770 scatchbox. And scatchbox is not entirely my
> favourite environment after a frustrating time failing to compile an
> otherwise largely trivial GTK/glade app, compounded by the twisty little
> maze of broken Google links after the maemo.org site upgrade.
>
> Anyway, building gpsbabel for maemo is trivial --- just type 'make'.
> And at  there is a simple CLI application
> to display and set WBT-201 settings, which also compiles for maemo.
>
> -jonathan
>
>  On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:22:29 +0200
> Rainer Dorsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jonathan,
> >
> > thanks for verifying that gpsbabel works with the maemo platform.
> >
> > Do you have a scatchbox environment for the N770 arround? If yes, can you
> > compile the gpsbabel version for the N770 as well?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rainer
> >
> > Am Samstag, 5. Mai 2007 20:51 schrieb Jonathan Hudson:
> > > As the happy owner of a Wintec WBT-201 (great service from Semsons,
> > > four days to England), I've built (ported to far too grand) the beta
> > > gpsbabel (gpsbabel-1.3.4-beta20070415) that supports the WBT-201 to the
> > > N880, enabling the download of logged tracks to the N800, then you can
> > > load the file into Maemo Mapper.
> > >
> > > There is a tar ball at:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > that contains the N800 binary and a README explaining how to set up
> > > bluetooth serial connection and download (and optionally erase) the
> > > logged tracks from a WBT-201. All the other gpsbabel functions should
> > > also be there (e.g. export to kml).
> > >
> > > Hope this is useful to other N800 / WBT-201 owners. Great device, had a
> > > lot of fun today wandering around the New Forest, where it worked with
> > > accuracy and reliability, even under quite heavy foliage. Works
> > > flawlessly with Maemo Mapper.
> > >
> > > -jonathan
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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Jonathan Hudson]

Rainer,

Sorry, I don't have a 770 scatchbox. And scatchbox is not entirely my
favourite environment after a frustrating time failing to compile an
otherwise largely trivial GTK/glade app, compounded by the twisty little
maze of broken Google links after the maemo.org site upgrade.

Anyway, building gpsbabel for maemo is trivial --- just type 'make'.
And at  there is a simple CLI application
to display and set WBT-201 settings, which also compiles for maemo.

-jonathan 

 On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:22:29 +0200
Rainer Dorsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jonathan,
> 
> thanks for verifying that gpsbabel works with the maemo platform.
> 
> Do you have a scatchbox environment for the N770 arround? If yes, can you 
> compile the gpsbabel version for the N770 as well? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Rainer
> 
> Am Samstag, 5. Mai 2007 20:51 schrieb Jonathan Hudson:
> > As the happy owner of a Wintec WBT-201 (great service from Semsons,
> > four days to England), I've built (ported to far too grand) the beta
> > gpsbabel (gpsbabel-1.3.4-beta20070415) that supports the WBT-201 to the
> > N880, enabling the download of logged tracks to the N800, then you can
> > load the file into Maemo Mapper.
> >
> > There is a tar ball at:
> >
> > 
> >
> > that contains the N800 binary and a README explaining how to set up
> > bluetooth serial connection and download (and optionally erase) the
> > logged tracks from a WBT-201. All the other gpsbabel functions should
> > also be there (e.g. export to kml).
> >
> > Hope this is useful to other N800 / WBT-201 owners. Great device, had a
> > lot of fun today wandering around the New Forest, where it worked with
> > accuracy and reliability, even under quite heavy foliage. Works
> > flawlessly with Maemo Mapper.
> >
> > -jonathan
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> > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
> 

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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Rainer Dorsch]

Jonathan,

thanks for verifying that gpsbabel works with the maemo platform.

Do you have a scatchbox environment for the N770 arround? If yes, can you 
compile the gpsbabel version for the N770 as well? 

Thanks,
Rainer

Am Samstag, 5. Mai 2007 20:51 schrieb Jonathan Hudson:
> As the happy owner of a Wintec WBT-201 (great service from Semsons,
> four days to England), I've built (ported to far too grand) the beta
> gpsbabel (gpsbabel-1.3.4-beta20070415) that supports the WBT-201 to the
> N880, enabling the download of logged tracks to the N800, then you can
> load the file into Maemo Mapper.
>
> There is a tar ball at:
>
> 
>
> that contains the N800 binary and a README explaining how to set up
> bluetooth serial connection and download (and optionally erase) the
> logged tracks from a WBT-201. All the other gpsbabel functions should
> also be there (e.g. export to kml).
>
> Hope this is useful to other N800 / WBT-201 owners. Great device, had a
> lot of fun today wandering around the New Forest, where it worked with
> accuracy and reliability, even under quite heavy foliage. Works
> flawlessly with Maemo Mapper.
>
> -jonathan
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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Rainer Dorsch]

Brad,


Am Sonntag, 6. Mai 2007 09:44 schrieb Brad Midgley:
> bluetooth. All the lights go out on the gps when it's busy but that seems
> to be normal.

The WBT-100 is completely different protocol (although similar name), I am not 
aware of a problem  there.

> It shouldn't be too tough to put hooks into maemo mapper to give it a menu
> option to suspend the bt gps connection, execute gpsbabel, and load those
> tracks into the map. That would be really slick.

...or a "from device" option in the load gpx file dialog.

Thanks,
Rainer

>
> On 5/5/07, Jonathan Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Rainer,
> >
> > I've had no problems with bluetooth, either from my Ubuntu AMD64-X2
> > with an MSI StarKey dongle, or from the N800.
> >
> > -jonathan

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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Brad Midgley]

Guys

I can also say I've had not trouble from a desktop to my wbt-100 over
bluetooth. All the lights go out on the gps when it's busy but that seems to
be normal.

It shouldn't be too tough to put hooks into maemo mapper to give it a menu
option to suspend the bt gps connection, execute gpsbabel, and load those
tracks into the map. That would be really slick.

brad

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Rainer,

I've had no problems with bluetooth, either from my Ubuntu AMD64-X2
with an MSI StarKey dongle, or from the N800.

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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Jonathan Hudson]

Rainer,

I've had no problems with bluetooth, either from my Ubuntu AMD64-X2
with an MSI StarKey dongle, or from the N800.

-jonathan

On Sat, 5 May 2007 23:01:27 +0200
Rainer Dorsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Great news, Jonathan. 
> 
> Does the bluetooth connection work reliably? I have *sometimes* some issues 
> (timeouts) when reading from the PC via bluetooth the log from the device.
> 
> See the wintec-users mailing list
> 
> http://hexten.net/pipermail/wintec-users/2007-May/25.html
> 
> (and replys).
> 
> Thanks,Rainer
> 
> Am Samstag, 5. Mai 2007 20:51 schrieb Jonathan Hudson:
> > As the happy owner of a Wintec WBT-201 (great service from Semsons,
> > four days to England), I've built (ported to far too grand) the beta
> > gpsbabel (gpsbabel-1.3.4-beta20070415) that supports the WBT-201 to the
> > N880, enabling the download of logged tracks to the N800, then you can
> > load the file into Maemo Mapper.
> >
> > There is a tar ball at:
> >
> > 
> >
> > that contains the N800 binary and a README explaining how to set up
> > bluetooth serial connection and download (and optionally erase) the
> > logged tracks from a WBT-201. All the other gpsbabel functions should
> > also be there (e.g. export to kml).
> >
> > Hope this is useful to other N800 / WBT-201 owners. Great device, had a
> > lot of fun today wandering around the New Forest, where it worked with
> > accuracy and reliability, even under quite heavy foliage. Works
> > flawlessly with Maemo Mapper.
> >
> > -jonathan
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Re: N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Rainer Dorsch]

Great news, Jonathan. 

Does the bluetooth connection work reliably? I have *sometimes* some issues 
(timeouts) when reading from the PC via bluetooth the log from the device.

See the wintec-users mailing list

http://hexten.net/pipermail/wintec-users/2007-May/25.html

(and replys).

Thanks,Rainer

Am Samstag, 5. Mai 2007 20:51 schrieb Jonathan Hudson:
> As the happy owner of a Wintec WBT-201 (great service from Semsons,
> four days to England), I've built (ported to far too grand) the beta
> gpsbabel (gpsbabel-1.3.4-beta20070415) that supports the WBT-201 to the
> N880, enabling the download of logged tracks to the N800, then you can
> load the file into Maemo Mapper.
>
> There is a tar ball at:
>
> 
>
> that contains the N800 binary and a README explaining how to set up
> bluetooth serial connection and download (and optionally erase) the
> logged tracks from a WBT-201. All the other gpsbabel functions should
> also be there (e.g. export to kml).
>
> Hope this is useful to other N800 / WBT-201 owners. Great device, had a
> lot of fun today wandering around the New Forest, where it worked with
> accuracy and reliability, even under quite heavy foliage. Works
> flawlessly with Maemo Mapper.
>
> -jonathan
> ___
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N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Jonathan Hudson]

As the happy owner of a Wintec WBT-201 (great service from Semsons,
four days to England), I've built (ported to far too grand) the beta
gpsbabel (gpsbabel-1.3.4-beta20070415) that supports the WBT-201 to the
N880, enabling the download of logged tracks to the N800, then you can
load the file into Maemo Mapper.

There is a tar ball at:

 

that contains the N800 binary and a README explaining how to set up
bluetooth serial connection and download (and optionally erase) the
logged tracks from a WBT-201. All the other gpsbabel functions should
also be there (e.g. export to kml).

Hope this is useful to other N800 / WBT-201 owners. Great device, had a
lot of fun today wandering around the New Forest, where it worked with
accuracy and reliability, even under quite heavy foliage. Works
flawlessly with Maemo Mapper.

-jonathan
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N800 gpsbabel supporting the WBT-201

[Jonathan Hudson]

As the happy owner of a Wintec WBT-201 (great service from Semsons,
four days to England), I've built (ported to far too grand) the beta
gpsbabel (gpsbabel-1.3.4-beta20070415) that supports the WBT-201 to the
N880, enabling the download of logged tracks to the N800, then you can
load the file into Maemo Mapper.

There is a tar ball at:

 

that contains the N800 binary and a README explaining how to set up
bluetooth serial connection and download (and optionally erase) the
logged tracks from a WBT-201. All the other gpsbabel functions should
also be there (e.g. export to kml).

Hope this is useful to other N800 / WBT-201 owners. Great device, had a
lot of fun today wandering around the New Forest, where it worked with
accuracy and reliability, even under quite heavy foliage. Works
flawlessly with Maemo Mapper.

-jonathan
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