N900 features

[sebastian maemo]

Hi everybody:

One of my clients has recently asked me about the possibility to get a
portable computer like my N770... :-)

I've talked him about the N900, and despite the price of the unlocked
device, he has asked me to check whether its features would satisfy his
needs...

I know how N770 works... but I have almost no idea about N900...

I have read the full specs at the Nokia
website,
though I'd like to know whether there's any application that enables a user
to open a M$ Office file, (doc or xls type, for example).
I think that the answer is no, though that wouldn't be a problem if the PDF
reader works well enough...


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Sebas
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Re: N900 features

[Attila Csipa]

On Saturday 12 December 2009 01:48:19 sebastian maemo wrote:
> I have read the full specs at the Nokia
> websiteions>, though I'd like to know whether there's any application that enables
> a user to open a M$ Office file, (doc or xls type, for example).
> I think that the answer is no, though that wouldn't be a problem if the PDF
> reader works well enough...

Take a look at http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/maemo/
It's not free, but does handle most M$ Office formats.


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Re: N900 features

[Attila Csipa]

On Saturday 12 December 2009 02:19:32 Attila Csipa wrote:
> Take a look at http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/maemo/
> It's not free, but does handle most M$ Office formats.

Although, it can get funny, when I wanted to click on the checkout on the 
dataviz site, I got a not too friendly

---

Online Order Not Possible

We're sorry, but According to US Export Law, we are currently not able to 
allow an online purchase or evaluation due to your country of origin.

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Proxy time, eh ? :)
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Re: N900 features

[sebastian maemo]

2009/12/12 Attila Csipa 

> On Saturday 12 December 2009 01:48:19 sebastian maemo wrote:
> > I have read the full specs at the Nokia
> > website<
> http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n900/specificat
> >ions>, though I'd like to know whether there's any application that
> enables
> > a user to open a M$ Office file, (doc or xls type, for example).
> > I think that the answer is no, though that wouldn't be a problem if the
> PDF
> > reader works well enough...
>
> Take a look at http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/maemo/
> It's not free, but does handle most M$ Office formats.
>

I've checked the site, and the product looks like pretty interesting. It's
not free but if it works as supposed, it may be worth the money [for those
who really need it]... (M$ Office users). It has a 30 days trial option, so
I think it's what I was looking for. Thank you, Attila :-)


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Re: N900 features

[Peter Flynn]

sebastian maemo wrote:
> Hi everybody:
> 
> One of my clients has recently asked me about the possibility to get a 
> portable computer like my N770... :-)
> 
> I've talked him about the N900, and despite the price of the unlocked 
> device, he has asked me to check whether its features would satisfy his 
> needs...
> 
> I know how N770 works... but I have almost no idea about N900...
> 
> I have read the full specs at the Nokia website 
> , 
> though I'd like to know whether there's any application that enables a 
> user to open a M$ Office file, (doc or xls type, for example).
> I think that the answer is no, though that wouldn't be a problem if the 
> PDF reader works well enough...

I don't know about the N900, but AbiWord on the N800 has no problem 
opening .doc and .docx files. And the PDF reader works fine.

I'm assuming that all this kind of office stuff has been ported and 
tested properly for the N900...but the problem is that Nokia still 
thinks it's a phone or a tablet: they still haven't fully grokked the 
concept of a portable computer (and they are criticised for this in 
today's _Irish Times_: "But as Apple and Android are transforming pocket 
computing, Nokia will need a lot more innovation to succeed." 
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/magazine/2009/1212/1224260331363.html).

I'd love to see the N900 a success, but there's not a lot I can do to 
help: I'm not a programmer these days, and I can't write documentation 
until I can afford to buy one.

///Peter
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Re: N900 features

[Mark Haury]

sebastian maemo wrote:
> Hi everybody:
>
> One of my clients has recently asked me about the possibility to get a 
> portable computer like my N770... :-)
>
> I've talked him about the N900, and despite the price of the unlocked 
> device, he has asked me to check whether its features would satisfy 
> his needs...
>
> I know how N770 works... but I have almost no idea about N900...
>
> I have read the full specs at the Nokia website 
> , 
> though I'd like to know whether there's any application that enables a 
> user to open a M$ Office file, (doc or xls type, for example).
> I think that the answer is no, though that wouldn't be a problem if 
> the PDF reader works well enough...
>
>
> -- 
> Salut,
> Sebas
OpenOffice.org is available for the N8x0 through Easy Debian, but I 
don't know if it will work with the N900 yet.
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/easy-deb-chroot/
Maybe it will be available for the N900 soon?

Mark
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Re: N900 features

[Mark Haury]

Peter Flynn wrote:
> sebastian maemo wrote:
>   
>> Hi everybody:
>>
>> One of my clients has recently asked me about the possibility to get a 
>> portable computer like my N770... :-)
>>
>> I've talked him about the N900, and despite the price of the unlocked 
>> device, he has asked me to check whether its features would satisfy his 
>> needs...
>>
>> I know how N770 works... but I have almost no idea about N900...
>>
>> I have read the full specs at the Nokia website 
>> , 
>> though I'd like to know whether there's any application that enables a 
>> user to open a M$ Office file, (doc or xls type, for example).
>> I think that the answer is no, though that wouldn't be a problem if the 
>> PDF reader works well enough...
>> 
>
> I don't know about the N900, but AbiWord on the N800 has no problem 
> opening .doc and .docx files. And the PDF reader works fine.
Abiword doesn't work for me. I can't get it to open anything other than 
its native proprietary format. I've tried the maemo version, the linux 
version and the Windows version, all with the same results. Maybe your 
experience will be different.

Mark
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Re: N900 features

[Jonathan Greene]

I am pretty sure there is a version of Documents to Go for the N900
now ... That should do the trick.

On 12/12/09, Mark Haury  wrote:
> Peter Flynn wrote:
>> sebastian maemo wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everybody:
>>>
>>> One of my clients has recently asked me about the possibility to get a
>>> portable computer like my N770... :-)
>>>
>>> I've talked him about the N900, and despite the price of the unlocked
>>> device, he has asked me to check whether its features would satisfy his
>>> needs...
>>>
>>> I know how N770 works... but I have almost no idea about N900...
>>>
>>> I have read the full specs at the Nokia website
>>> ,
>>>
>>> though I'd like to know whether there's any application that enables a
>>> user to open a M$ Office file, (doc or xls type, for example).
>>> I think that the answer is no, though that wouldn't be a problem if the
>>> PDF reader works well enough...
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about the N900, but AbiWord on the N800 has no problem
>> opening .doc and .docx files. And the PDF reader works fine.
> Abiword doesn't work for me. I can't get it to open anything other than
> its native proprietary format. I've tried the maemo version, the linux
> version and the Windows version, all with the same results. Maybe your
> experience will be different.
>
> Mark
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Re: N900 features

[Craig Woodward]

Interesting.

My N900 shipped with a launcher icon that pulled and installed the free "read 
only" version for the N900.  My understanding of the terms was that DTG was 
free as a read-only version, but to get one that edits you'd need to pay for it 
(and that it would be available through the Maemo store soon).  Right now I can 
open (as read only) plenty of office document formats.


 Attila Csipa  wrote: 

=
On Saturday 12 December 2009 01:48:19 sebastian maemo wrote:
> I have read the full specs at the Nokia
> websiteions>, though I'd like to know whether there's any application that enables
> a user to open a M$ Office file, (doc or xls type, for example).
> I think that the answer is no, though that wouldn't be a problem if the PDF
> reader works well enough...

Take a look at http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/maemo/
It's not free, but does handle most M$ Office formats.


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Re: N900 features

[Peter Flynn]

Mark Haury wrote:
[...]
> Abiword doesn't work for me. I can't get it to open anything other than 
> its native proprietary format. I've tried the maemo version, the linux 
> version and the Windows version, all with the same results.

You mean on the N900? Or anywhere at all? I've been using it under 
Ubuntu, Windows, Red Hat, and Maemo OS-2008 without any problems.

I wouldn't expect any version of any software to run unmodified on the 
N900 (or N800/880/770 for that matter). It would need to be compiled 
with the relevant toolchain. Or did you mean you compiled it yourself?

///Peter
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Re: N900 features

[Peter Flynn]

Mark Haury wrote:
> OpenOffice.org is available for the N8x0 through Easy Debian, but I 
> don't know if it will work with the N900 yet.

I'm amazed that it even executes. It must be 10x the size of AbiWord. Is 
it actually usable? My experience of large programs on the N800 is that 
they take forever to load, and when running, they spend so long on 
internals and housekeeping that they don't have enough cycles left over 
to service keyclicks or screentaps.

I've never quite understood why, given that only 10 years ago, my main 
system was a 64Mb desktop running Red Hat 3 or something, and 
WordPerfect for Linux (another monolithic monster) executed quite 
usably, if slowly. I would have thought that in the intervening decade, 
technology would have advanced a little more than this.

///Peter
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Re: N900 features

[Laura Conrad]

> "Peter" == Peter Flynn  writes:

Peter> I've never quite understood why, given that only 10 years
Peter> ago, my main system was a 64Mb desktop running Red Hat 3 or
Peter> something, and WordPerfect for Linux (another monolithic
Peter> monster) executed quite usably, if slowly. I would have
Peter> thought that in the intervening decade, technology would
Peter> have advanced a little more than this.

It has -- Microsoft Word has invented lots more kinds of bloat than
they had 10 years ago, so a program that tries to read all possible
Word documents has to be lots bigger.

Software never gets faster.  When they make the hardware faster, they
make the software slower to compensate.

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experience of the divine has deep roots in psychoactive plants and
fungi.  (Karl Marx may have gotten it backward when he called religion
the opiate of the people.)

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Re: N900 features

[Peter Flynn]

Laura Conrad wrote:
>> "Peter" == Peter Flynn  writes:
> 
> Peter> I've never quite understood why, given that only 10 years
> Peter> ago, my main system was a 64Mb desktop running Red Hat 3 or
> Peter> something, and WordPerfect for Linux (another monolithic
> Peter> monster) executed quite usably, if slowly. I would have
> Peter> thought that in the intervening decade, technology would
> Peter> have advanced a little more than this.
> 
> It has -- Microsoft Word has invented lots more kinds of bloat than
> they had 10 years ago, so a program that tries to read all possible
> Word documents has to be lots bigger.

Natch :-) But I was really talking about the execution of the program 
per se at any stage, rather than in the state where it has to read 
bloated formats.

> Software never gets faster.  When they make the hardware faster, they
> make the software slower to compensate.

I can, however, still run TeX on my N800 nearly as fast as on my laptop.

///Peter


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Re: N900 features

[Mark Haury]

Peter Flynn wrote:
> Mark Haury wrote:
> [...]
>   
>> Abiword doesn't work for me. I can't get it to open anything other than 
>> its native proprietary format. I've tried the maemo version, the linux 
>> version and the Windows version, all with the same results.
>> 
>
> You mean on the N900? Or anywhere at all? I've been using it under 
> Ubuntu, Windows, Red Hat, and Maemo OS-2008 without any problems.
>
> I wouldn't expect any version of any software to run unmodified on the 
> N900 (or N800/880/770 for that matter). It would need to be compiled 
> with the relevant toolchain. Or did you mean you compiled it yourself?
>
> ///Peter
>   

Anywhere at all. It doesn't work on my desktops (any of them), laptop or 
desktop. Maybe if your documents have little to no formatting it works, 
but the documents I need to open invariably have lots of formatting: 
fonts, indents, tables, columns, graphics, etc. IMO if the only thing 
that matters in a given document is the text, then a plaintext file is 
adequate and much more portable to _any_ device. Otherwise, complete 
feature support is mandatory. Regardless, the fact that Abiword defaults 
to its own proprietary format (or the fact that it even _has_ its own 
unique format) makes it problematic. The last thing the world needs is 
yet another noncompatible document format, and being forced to go 
through a conversion process every time you want to create or edit a 
document is a PITA.

Mark
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Re: N900 features

[Peter Flynn]

Mark Haury wrote:
> Peter Flynn wrote:
>> Mark Haury wrote:
>> [...]
>>   
>>> Abiword doesn't work for me. I can't get it to open anything other than 
>>> its native proprietary format. I've tried the maemo version, the linux 
>>> version and the Windows version, all with the same results.
>>> 
>> You mean on the N900? Or anywhere at all? I've been using it under 
>> Ubuntu, Windows, Red Hat, and Maemo OS-2008 without any problems.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect any version of any software to run unmodified on the 
>> N900 (or N800/880/770 for that matter). It would need to be compiled 
>> with the relevant toolchain. Or did you mean you compiled it yourself?
>>
>> ///Peter
>>   
> 
> Anywhere at all. It doesn't work on my desktops (any of them), laptop or 
> desktop. 

That's interesting, and rather weird.

> Maybe if your documents have little to no formatting it works, 
> but the documents I need to open invariably have lots of formatting: 
> fonts, indents, tables, columns, graphics, etc. IMO if the only thing 
> that matters in a given document is the text, then a plaintext file is 
> adequate and much more portable to _any_ device. Otherwise, complete 
> feature support is mandatory. Regardless, the fact that Abiword defaults 
> to its own proprietary format (or the fact that it even _has_ its own 
> unique format) makes it problematic. The last thing the world needs is 
> yet another noncompatible document format, and being forced to go 
> through a conversion process every time you want to create or edit a 
> document is a PITA.

All of which is true, except that all wordprocessors have their own 
unique default format, and always have...a relic of the days when 
Marketing people though it was terribly, terribly clever to trap the 
user with an impenetrable and incompatible file format (sadly, some of 
them still think like this).

But the documents I use are also heavily formatted; although none of 
them are authored in AbiWord, which I only use (on an Ubuntu 9.10 
desktop) for its ability to convert (clumsily, but fairly accurately) to 
LaTeX and a few other formats. For anything requiring Word 
compatibility, I use OpenOffice, which is why I was interested to see 
someone got it working on the N800.

I do use AbiWord on the N800 for the occasional (but rare) document I 
need to write while I'm travelling and save as .doc or .odt for someone 
else; and (again rarely, and usually only when away) to open a 
downloaded .doc or .docx email attachment. In essence, it's a slightly 
cronky but functional tool.

For anything requiring serious work I use Emacs and LaTeX: I can't 
imagine the nightmare of trying to do typesetting in a wordprocessor.

///Peter
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Re: N900 features

[John B. Holmblad]

Sebas,

you might want to have your client read the following recent review at 
the amazon.com www site:


http://www.amazon.com/review/R1T7KKC62GZ5JZ/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R1T7KKC62GZ5JZ

and specifically the commentary there regarding the included  email 
client and the difficulty of getting the touch screen to work without a 
stylus. As of now the device is scoring an average of 4 out of 5 among 
the reviewers so far.



Best Regards,

 

John Holmblad

 

Acadia Secure Networks, LLC

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sebastian maemo wrote:
> Hi everybody:
>
> One of my clients has recently asked me about the possibility to get a 
> portable computer like my N770... :-)
>
> I've talked him about the N900, and despite the price of the unlocked 
> device, he has asked me to check whether its features would satisfy 
> his needs...
>
> I know how N770 works... but I have almost no idea about N900...
>
> I have read the full specs at the Nokia website 
> , 
> though I'd like to know whether there's any application that enables a 
> user to open a M$ Office file, (doc or xls type, for example).
> I think that the answer is no, though that wouldn't be a problem if 
> the PDF reader works well enough...
>
>
> -- 
> Salut,
> Sebas
> 
>
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