Re: Videocamera (was Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice)
GROG! (Jeff Howie) wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody working on a video capture app for the tablets? There are at least 3 different still capture programs available, but I haven't seen anything at all for video. Since the built-in camera is pretty low-res, and it supposedly works for Skype video chat, it seems like the hardware is capable. The main one that I know of is videocamera (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/camera/), but even that has sound vs picture sync problems, so it's not perfect. for how developed it is, it does work, so it could at least be considered a proof of concept.. -- GROG! Thanks! That's what I was looking for. For what I have in mind, audio sync isn't critical. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Roaming connectivity (was Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
Lake Stevens Dental wrote: My wife and daughter are wandering around Europe with my tablet so they can call me over the internet Apropos of not very much anything else, a few months ago I needed a new router/AP, and a colleague persuaded me to sign up for FON, whose box emits two signals, one encrypted for your domestic use, and one public with a configurable max share of your bandwidth. By agreeing to make some of your domestic broadbandwidth available to the public, you get to make free use of others' sharable bandwidth worldwide. I have found this invaluable when travelling with my N800, as the number of other freely-accessible signals seems to be on the decline -- even some cafes now either charge or have turned provision over to corporate providers. Are any other N*** users doing this? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Roaming connectivity (was Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are any other N*** users doing this? Yes. I find the FON router firmware somewhat flakey though and the router locks up after a long uptime. But if you power cycle it occationally, it works OK. I also subscribe to the Boingo Mobile as it is a pretty cheap plan and I've seem a lot of those hotspots in my travels ... especially at airports. /Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:33:40 -0300 Rodrigo Vivi wrote: Mamona is not ready for final users yet. We are focused on the platform itself. The 0.1 version has the e17 but without any application. Oops. Didn't know that. I was looking for some nice WM, and most important, more application not so much gmail focused... I mean, I do not use jabber or google talk, or gmail (well, I have one account for work, but no personal one..), so I was looking for amsn/gaim/wathever, Claws-mail, browser with tab support, mplayer something with basic apps and more similar to my laptop/pc. May I remove all default apps and look for what I want in non-default repos? do you recommend that? We are going to release the 0.2 including N770 support but without any application either... We will support only Canola running on it. Mmmm... Canola looks great, but if you are no planning to support apps, that's not what I'm really looking for... Many thanks for your reply, Arnau ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
Arnau Bria wrote: so I was looking for amsn/gaim/wathever, Claws-mail, browser with tab support, mplayer something with basic apps and more similar to my laptop/pc. MPlayer for the tablets works fine, as does Claws mail. Both probably appear in Application Manager installable programs. If an installable program it doesn't appear there, it typically shows up with appropriate links in the Maemo.org downloadable programs, or in the Maemo garage. FYI, Claws for the tablets does offer non-tabbed html viewing -- it's html viewer doesn't currently allow zooming, which means the small print can be hard to read. But otherwise it's decent. Now that I've got my gCalendar running, I'm hoping Claws calendar plug-in can work with it offline. My wife and daughter are wandering around Europe with my tablet so they can call me over the internet, so I'll have to wait for a week or so to see what does or doesn't work in the Claws calendar plugin. There's a variety of good media players available -- some may require mplayer to work. One of the limitations that newbs typically bump into in video playback is the limits size of video frames that can be processed. There are several good desktop programs that convert large format video (and DVDs) into tablet sized video. A full DVD can be crunched into 300M file for tablet viewing. Desktop processing speed in required for these operations. As for removing default apps, many can be removed thru application manager. At this point, some can't be removed, their part of the 'system'. It's possible to store some programs and data (like Claws email folders) somewhere outside of your internal memory. If you've got a Class 6 or faster SDHC 8G or 16G card in your internal memory (on the n800), and a companion card in your external memory, you should have plenty of room and speed for all sorts of programs and data. The n810s micro cards are also fine, but get a bit expensive in large memory formats, although that is changing. One app that I find I can't live without is the application launcher that lives in the Maemo garage. It allows you to have small icons on your desktop home for quick launching programs. It could use an update to add transparency and touch up a few things, but generally works fine. IMHO, something like it ought to be one of the default apps. It's like the speed launch bar one has one most desktop OSs. -- Always, Dr Fred C [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
On Fri, 16 May 2008 06:35:55 -0700 Lake Stevens Dental wrote: MPlayer for the tablets works fine, as does Claws mail. Both probably appear in Application Manager installable programs. If an installable program it doesn't appear there, it typically shows up with appropriate links in the Maemo.org downloadable programs, or in the Maemo garage. It does not appear in mine, but I should update my repos. No matter about that. FYI, Claws for the tablets does offer non-tabbed html viewing -- it's html viewer doesn't currently allow zooming, which means the small print can be hard to read. But otherwise it's decent. Now that I've got my gCalendar running, I'm hoping Claws calendar plug-in can work with it offline. My wife and daughter are wandering around Europe with my tablet so they can call me over the internet, so I'll have to wait for a week or so to see what does or doesn't work in the Claws calendar plugin. Thanks for the info. Now that talked about internet call, I must study this issue too. There's a variety of good media players available -- some may require mplayer to work. One of the limitations that newbs typically bump into in video playback is the limits size of video frames that can be processed. There are several good desktop programs that convert large format video (and DVDs) into tablet sized video. A full DVD can be crunched into 300M file for tablet viewing. Desktop processing speed in required for these operations. Mmm... my idea is not running movies but some home-made video. You know, party ones, etc... As for removing default apps, many can be removed thru application manager. At this point, some can't be removed, their part of the 'system'. That was my point... I don't know which is the base system. I can play around and find it myelf, for sure. It's possible to store some programs and data (like Claws email folders) somewhere outside of your internal memory. Wait a second, maybe I have lost some info... I'm booting from my MMC card, but, if I install something now, where is it going to be placed? in internal card?¿?¿? how? If you've got a Class 6 or faster SDHC 8G or 16G card in your internal memory (on the n800), and a companion card in your external memory, you should have plenty of room and speed for all sorts of programs and data. The n810s micro cards are also fine, but get a bit expensive in large memory formats, although that is changing. Yep, but for now I have a 2GB card, enough for playing around and put there many mnay programs... not much data but programs. One app that I find I can't live without is the application launcher that lives in the Maemo garage. It allows you to have small icons on your desktop home for quick launching programs. It could use an update to add transparency and touch up a few things, but generally works fine. IMHO, something like it ought to be one of the default apps. It's like the speed launch bar one has one most desktop OSs. I must take a look at maemo garage! did not know its existence!!! Really, many thanks for your explanations! Cheers, Arnau ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:07:39PM +0200, Arnau Bria wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 06:35:55 -0700 Lake Stevens Dental wrote: installable program it doesn't appear there, it typically shows up with appropriate links in the Maemo.org downloadable programs, or in the Maemo garage. It does not appear in mine, but I should update my repos. No matter about that. You may need to add a repo, like extras or something. Helpfully, many of the apps you install these days from sites like maemo.org and garage.maemo.org add their repo for you, making updates and such easier. For standard add-ons like the above, the popular secondary repos like Extras will probably make them available for you. Don't forget to update the application catalogue! with it offline. My wife and daughter are wandering around Europe with my tablet so they can call me over the internet, so I'll have to wait for a week or so to see what does or doesn't work in the Claws calendar plugin. Thanks for the info. Now that talked about internet call, I must study this issue too. Dr. Fred, That's really cool that you are keeping in contact via VOIP from Europe, how is it working? The primary apps for this are Gizmo and Skype. They should be very easy to install on an up-to-date OS2008 install. For a bit more work and for a real communications upgrade for the tablet, check out rtcomm project which, I think, is a replacement enhancement for the communication systems, adding features and making them feel more default. Mmm... my idea is not running movies but some home-made video. You know, party ones, etc... It may depend upon what you use to create the videos. I was able to transfer videos taken with my N-series phone to my tablet and play them without a problem. Other .avi files require me to run them through the excellent tablet-encode program available on garage. Tablet-encode formats the resolution for the screen, and also (can) easily reduce quality and file size so you can fit more on the tablet. hope that's a help, Kevin -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may depend upon what you use to create the videos. I was able to transfer videos taken with my N-series phone to my tablet and play them without a problem. Other .avi files require me to run them through the excellent tablet-encode program available on garage. Tablet-encode formats the resolution for the screen, and also (can) easily reduce quality and file size so you can fit more on the tablet. hope that's a help, Kevin Is anybody working on a video capture app for the tablets? There are at least 3 different still capture programs available, but I haven't seen anything at all for video. Since the built-in camera is pretty low-res, and it supposedly works for Skype video chat, it seems like the hardware is capable. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
Kevin T. Neely wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:07:39PM +0200, Arnau Bria wrote: My wife and daughter are wandering around Europe with my tablet so they can call me over the internet, so I'll have to wait for a week or so to see what does or doesn't work in the Claws calendar plugin. Thanks for the info. Now that talked about internet call, I must study this issue too. Dr. Fred, That's really cool that you are keeping in contact via VOIP from Europe, how is it working? The primary apps for this are Gizmo and Skype. They should be very easy to install on an up-to-date OS2008 install. For a bit more work and for a real communications upgrade for the tablet, check out rtcomm project which, I think, is a replacement enhancement for the communication systems, adding features and making them feel more default. I've got both Skype and Gizmo (and Google Talk) installed with additional accounts for my laptop and home computer. The n800s account has some Gizmo $ so they can call out from Gizmo to land and cell lines. Both Gizmo and Skype work fine, when you can find good internet access and are both online. Test it at your home wifi if you want by setting up a pair of desktop/laptop and tablet accounts so you can call yourself. Fine print -- neither Skype or Gizmo seems to handle video calls on the tablet (or at least I've not been able to make it work). I set up an older desktop at home with Ubuntu, a webcam and microphone and leave it on all the time while I'm home -- it's sort of like a free home video phone (not counting the idling power consumption -- it's been cold around here so I look at it as another heater most of the time). That's usually how I connect up with my wife and D in Europe. Video calls work fine on my daugthers eee pc via Skype (Gizmo isn't installed on her eee pc). Fine print, my daughter doesn't like to set up her eee pc in public to make calls -- afraid of thieves. And the eee pc shuts down when you close it up. The tablet is perhaps better for public calls as after you initiate the call, you can slide the tablet into your pocket or purse and talk via the wired earpiece/mic (or bluetooth earpiece) like most any other person with a hands free cell phone setup. IMHO, Gizmo has a minor advantage in that you can phone another Gizmo account and leave voice mail for free. Skype charges for that. Gizmo also offers 'connections' to about ten messenger programs like GoogleTalk, Jabber, etc. I used the internet phone (n800) myself last year in Spain via Gizmo where my hotel had internet wifi -- worked great. The fine print is my wife and daughter have been too busy most of the time fooling around sight seeing to look for internet access and none of their hotels offer free wifi -- they offer guest computer desktop access. They've called from an internet cafe (pay for time) and McD's free wifi. When they are in transit, like today, and have time on their hands, they're out of communication because the trains don't have wifi. My wife isn't the sort to figure out how to buy and use some Boingo time (or other common wifi subscription service). That's probably what I'd have done on this trip. Always, Fred C ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:51:53AM -0700, lakestevensdental wrote: IMHO, Gizmo has a minor advantage in that you can phone another Gizmo account and leave voice mail for free. Skype charges for that. Gizmo also offers 'connections' to about ten messenger programs like (I fear we are treading beyond the scope of maemo-users here, but since Gizmo has no decent talk forums (they never got my account working right, and I can't use them) and I promise to try to bring this back around, I will continue.) I have noticed that, if a person has a Gizmo account, and they have associated a mobile phone with it, you can send them a txt message through the IM interface. Evidently, you can send txt messages with the phone Gizmo5 client, but I don't really use that one. If straight-up IM worked through the desktop (incl. tablet) clients, then that would really be something. I see these apps as very important to the maemo platform. If WIMAX ever actually takes off, then the Internet Tablet can finally move to being a full-fledged Communication Tablet. Thanks for the usage description, Dr. Fred. I need to get my parents a camera for their computer so I can give that a try. As it is, I have only used the voice aspects of these programs, but I look forward to giving video a try. cheers, K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Fwd: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
Sorry, meant to send this to the group as well. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody working on a video capture app for the tablets? There are at least 3 different still capture programs available, but I haven't seen anything at all for video. Since the built-in camera is pretty low-res, and it supposedly works for Skype video chat, it seems like the hardware is capable. The main one that I know of is videocamera ( https://garage.maemo.org/projects/camera/), but even that has sound vs picture sync problems, so it's not perfect. for how developed it is, it does work, so it could at least be considered a proof of concept.. -- GROG! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
Hi Arnau, 2. I think it's not necessary to use KDE. I find the Hildon Desktop enough for user applications. Yep, probably yes (I'm really newbie). But I'd like something more beautiful like e17, or known (for me) as kde... as kde is too big, proably e17 will be my next WM. Could someone talk a little about mamona? is 0.1 stable enough? Does it use less space? Mamona is not ready for final users yet. We are focused on the platform itself. The 0.1 version has the e17 but without any application. We are going to release the 0.2 including N770 support but without any application either... We will support only Canola running on it. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:49:13 +0200 sebastian maemo wrote: [...] 1. I think it's not a good idea to install apps directly from sources in any Debian system. In the case of the Nokia Tablet I would say that it's a must not to do so. Fine, I don't like it neither, there's a package manager for that. But in my first approach, I tough it was the way. 2. I think it's not necessary to use KDE. I find the Hildon Desktop enough for user applications. Yep, probably yes (I'm really newbie). But I'd like something more beautiful like e17, or known (for me) as kde... as kde is too big, proably e17 will be my next WM. Could someone talk a little about mamona? is 0.1 stable enough? Does it use less space? [...] Nevertheless, I think that, by default, the Tablet tries to create the virtual memory on the FAT partition, so that if you want to use virtual memory, you'll need to hack the system in order to mount your own swap partition. Mmm... I did not find the partition you mentioned... I finally did the 2GB partition. Besides you'll need a separate /home partition to mount when you want to connect the Tablet to the PC via USB. Because I suppose it's not a good idea to mount at your PC the whole root file system of the Tablet (unless you mount it with read only permissions). Well, I use ssh server and I think it's enough for me... at least till now. Cheers, Sebas. Thanks for your reply, Arnau ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
2008/5/12 Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is it possible to install KDE in a n800? Not in my n770 http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/kde-on-nokia-n800-tablet.html Anyway, how are you trying to install it? If you do it via the Application Manager there's an option to check the size of the package you're going to install (check Application details Installing in order to take into account also the depending libraries). Reading the above link, using a tarball. Ok, maybe the problem is that it lacks some needed library or that there isn't enough space for installing the whole application (including needed libraries). I have two suggestions: 1. I think it's not a good idea to install apps directly from sources in any Debian system. In the case of the Nokia Tablet I would say that it's a must not to do so. 2. I think it's not necessary to use KDE. I find the Hildon Desktop enough for user applications. [...] If you get only one Linux partition you won't have a FAT partition to share files with Windows boxes. If you get only one FAT partition you won't be able to boot from MMC. I don't care about Windows boxes, so I could create only one ext3 partition. That's a good idea. Nevertheless, I think that, by default, the Tablet tries to create the virtual memory on the FAT partition, so that if you want to use virtual memory, you'll need to hack the system in order to mount your own swap partition. Besides you'll need a separate /home partition to mount when you want to connect the Tablet to the PC via USB. Because I suppose it's not a good idea to mount at your PC the whole root file system of the Tablet (unless you mount it with read only permissions). Cheers, Sebas. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
I'm new to list, so first of all, hi to everybody. I have a 2GB card, and following your wiki, I've partitioned it with 2 1GB partitions. So: # df -h FilesystemSize Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mmcblk0p22.0M 1.8M168.0k 92% /mnt/initfs none512.0k 68.0k444.0k 13% /mnt/initfs/tmp /dev/mmcblk0p2 954.5M684.3M221.7M 76% / none512.0k 68.0k444.0k 13% /tmp none 1.0M 60.0k964.0k 6% /dev /dev/mmcblk0p1 966.8M 4.0k966.8M 0% /media/mmc2 My first attempt on installing KDE has failed, basically cause I have not enough space on device. Afer reading a little more, I've seen that xfce and e17 are also available. I'm new to maemo and to n800 gadget, and I think I already know what I want in my maemo, but before trying more crazy things, I'd like to ask for advice. So, here are my questions: 1.-) Are 2GB enought for e17 and a basic combo of apps? (claws, mpayer, a feed reader, browser...) 2.-) Which could be a good partion table in my case? Just one part whit 2GB of space? 2 partitions and /dev/mmcblk0p1 mounted at /opt? (I don't really now yet were are new apps going to be installed /usr/local? /opt?...) 3.-) Good set of n800 links? I already know maemo.org, http://tabletschool.blogspot.com and they look very fine... Thanks in advance for any advice! Cheers, Arnau ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie to maemo lookig for advice
2008/5/11 Arnau Bria [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm new to list, so first of all, hi to everybody. Benvingut. I have a 2GB card, and following your wiki, I've partitioned it with 2 1GB partitions. So: First of all: which wiki? It's plenty of them... # df -h FilesystemSize Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mmcblk0p22.0M 1.8M168.0k 92% /mnt/initfs none512.0k 68.0k444.0k 13% /mnt/initfs/tmp /dev/mmcblk0p2 954.5M684.3M221.7M 76% / none512.0k 68.0k444.0k 13% /tmp none 1.0M 60.0k964.0k 6% /dev /dev/mmcblk0p1 966.8M 4.0k966.8M 0% /media/mmc2 My first attempt on installing KDE has failed, basically cause I have not enough space on device. Afer reading a little more, I've seen that xfce and e17 are also available. Is it possible to install KDE in a n800? Not in my n770 Anyway, how are you trying to install it? If you do it via the Application Manager there's an option to check the size of the package you're going to install (check Application details Installing in order to take into account also the depending libraries). I'm new to maemo and to n800 gadget, and I think I already know what I want in my maemo, but before trying more crazy things, I'd like to ask for advice. So, here are my questions: 1.-) Are 2GB enought for e17 and a basic combo of apps? (claws, mpayer, a feed reader, browser...) 2.-) Which could be a good partion table in my case? Just one part whit 2GB of space? 2 partitions and /dev/mmcblk0p1 mounted at /opt? (I don't really now yet were are new apps going to be installed /usr/local? /opt?...) If you get only one Linux partition you won't have a FAT partition to share files with Windows boxes. If you get only one FAT partition you won't be able to boot from MMC. /dev/mmcblk0p1 is by default going to be mounted at /media/mmcX. New apps are going to be installed at /usr 3.-) Good set of n800 links? I already know maemo.org, http://tabletschool.blogspot.com and they look very fine... http://www.internettablettalk.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
