Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi Quim, > We want to support a bunch of projects getting ready for primetime the > same day maemo 5 is released. And we propose the community to help out > selecting those projects. > > What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development > need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will > do our best helping you. I still don't know if I can propose an application that is not started yet. Just in case you don't remember, I explain my idea again. My goal is creating a "GPS position sharing" client. What this application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... 1) you register to a community website (we'll have to create this, we need a dedicated server for this application) 2) you start the client in your tablet and login using your username/password of the website 3) you start adding other people to your contact list and you choose if you want to share your GPS position with them (I suppose yes, else why you add them?? :P ) 4) At this point, when you walk around in your city, in your country ecc... and you're connected to internet (with UMTS you can be always connected, right? I use to be always connected using N810+N73+Tre Italy UMTS), you can share your position to your contact list. 5) You can also look in the MAP window and you can see where your friends are. Think about a situation like we were in Berlin: - Hey John! Where are you? -- Well... I'm... at that corner... don't know the street name... uhm let's try to get at McDonald... - Which one? There are at least 3-4 McDonald here! this is just an example where those two people could use it. I think there are lot of situation where real time gps position sharing could be usefull. Something similar already exist? Ok, let's discover it and improve it. It doesn't exist yet? Well let's code it! :) I see that something similar already exist, for example: http://www.mologogo.com/ but all these websites don't have a PUBLIC API. Public API is the most important thing to let other clients/applications ecc... interact with our service. We could create a Maemo client for the moment, but having a public API would mean someone could write a Symbian client too. I hope someone find this idea interesting. Please, don't limit to steal the idea, let's try to create this together. Best regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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ext Andrea Grandi wrote: > I still don't know if I can propose an application that is not started yet. What counts is whether it can be a complete product when Maemo 5 is released. The beta SDK is expected to be available on March-May, do your math. What also counts is a developer or a team behind that you can trust. 12 totally unknown developers with a great and amazing idea count probably less that 1-2 guys known for developing A, B, C proposing something still cool but doable. This was discussed already at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/001143.html You might want also have a look at the rest of the thread starting at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/thread.html#1090 -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Hi, > What counts is whether it can be a complete product when Maemo 5 is > released. The beta SDK is expected to be available on March-May, do your > math. > > What also counts is a developer or a team behind that you can trust. 12 > totally unknown developers with a great and amazing idea count probably > less that 1-2 guys known for developing A, B, C proposing something > still cool but doable. at the moment I'm alone :( I don't have all the skills/know-how required to write and complete tha application for that time I think I should gather more developers, else it's impossible for me. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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> I still don't know if I can propose an application that is > not started yet. > Just in case you don't remember, I explain my idea again. > > My goal is creating a "GPS position sharing" client. What this > application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... > 3) you start adding other people to your contact list and you choose > if you want to share your GPS position with them (I suppose yes, else > why you add them?? :P ) There is already a method of providing location data over the XMPP/Jabber protocol which the built in messenger uses (thought it's not implemented at the moment): http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0119.html By using the existing IM infrastructure you'd not need to register anywhere, you just tell and obtain position info from your existing contacts (which is fine IMO, I don't want any old person, even if they register on some website to know my position). > 4) At this point, when you walk around in your city, in your country > ecc... and you're connected to internet (with UMTS you can be always > connected, right? I use to be always connected using N810+N73+Tre > Italy UMTS), you can share your position to your contact list. > Think about a situation like we were in Berlin: > > - Hey John! Where are you? > -- Well... I'm... at that corner... don't know the street name... > uhm let's try to get at McDonald... > - Which one? There are at least 3-4 McDonald here! > > this is just an example where those two people could use it. I think > there are lot of situation where real time gps position sharing could > be usefull. Yes, sounds nice. Though I'd focus on trying to find the beer gardens ;) > I hope someone find this idea interesting. Please, don't limit to > steal the idea, let's try to create this together. Quite, will presence data and for that matter GeoClue as a location provider be available in Freemantle? Cheers, Simon ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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> > 3) you start adding other people to your contact list and you choose > > if you want to share your GPS position with them (I suppose > yes, else > > why you add them?? :P ) > > There is already a method of providing location data over the > XMPP/Jabber > protocol which the built in messenger uses (thought it's not > implemented at > the moment): http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0119.html Sorry, should probably be this one: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html Simon ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Hi, 2008/10/22 Kamen Bundev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Sorry Quim, that was for the list...] > > Isn't it more logical to wait for the alpha SDK before we start projects for > Fremantle? At least i don't have right now enough knowledge on the maemo 5 > platform and what i can do with it. I can start a project now (or more > likely renew/retarget existing one), but what will happen if the platform > can't handle it later? very interesting question :) -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Hi 2008/10/22 Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi >> My goal is creating a "GPS position sharing" client. What this >> application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... > > did you see fireeagle? > > http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/ > > much easier to use this than write something from scratch that's cool! I'll read the docs! It's exactly what I want :) This could save me/us a lot of time! The server part is already done :) -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Kamen Bundev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Isn't it more logical to wait for the alpha SDK before we start projects > for Fremantle? At least i don't have right now enough knowledge on the > maemo 5 platform and what i can do with it. I can start a project now (or > more likely renew/retarget existing one), but what will happen if the > platform can't handle it later? Indeed. I have one or two thoughts on a Fremantle-based, Clutter-using application. I *hope* to start experimenting on it before the SDK arrives (learning Clutter, testing out structures in SQLite etc), but Sod's Law says that I'm unlikely to find the time or inclination to do anything on it until December. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
> >> My goal is creating a "GPS position sharing" client. What this > >> application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... > > > > did you see fireeagle? > > > > http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/ > > > > much easier to use this than write something from scratch > > that's cool! I'll read the docs! It's exactly what I want :) > This could save me/us a lot of time! The server part is > already done :) To go slightly off-topic, this is exactly the kind of interaction that is self-evidently very useful and we should try to foster and encourage it in general for people's application ideas. Cheers, Simon ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Uff I really don't like the point 3 of the Yahoo Terms of Service: 3. FEES AND PAYMENTS Yahoo! reserves the right to charge fees for future use of or access to the Fire Eagle Service, or other Yahoo! services and web sites, in Yahoo!'s sole discretion. If Yahoo! decides to charge fees, such charges will be disclosed to you in advance. :( 2008/10/22 Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi >> My goal is creating a "GPS position sharing" client. What this >> application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... > > did you see fireeagle? > > http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/ > > much easier to use this than write something from scratch > > Ian > -- > http://ianlawrence.info > -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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How about making the n810 a blue tooth GPS Transmitter? Then we could pair it with devices that do not have GPS built into them... like a laptop or Palm/Ipaq/Axim type device. I am not a programmer so that type of util is out of my realm. -- Scott n810 On Oct 22, 2008, at 6:14 AM, Andrea Grandi wrote: >> We want to support a bunch of projects getting ready for primetime >> the >> same day maemo 5 is released. And we propose the community to help >> out >> selecting those projects. > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Quim, and of course let us allow that those 1 or 2 could include girls as well as guys. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Quim Gil wrote: > ext Andrea Grandi wrote: > >> I still don't know if I can propose an application that is not started yet. >> > > What counts is whether it can be a complete product when Maemo 5 is > released. The beta SDK is expected to be available on March-May, do your > math. > > What also counts is a developer or a team behind that you can trust. 12 > totally unknown developers with a great and amazing idea count probably > less that 1-2 guys known for developing A, B, C proposing something > still cool but doable. > > This was discussed already at > http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/001143.html > > You might want also have a look at the rest of the thread starting at > http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/thread.html#1090 > > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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If Nokia is really serious about being a larger player, they ought to aggressively develop and license the Maemo tablet OS to other manufacturers so that it has an opportunity to become a dominant player in the this growing market niche instead of just another somewhat self-limiting (soon to be abandoned) proprietary sand castle. Perhaps the OS might be set up as an independent entity to manage aggressive development and spread of the platform. Stockholders would get a break in licensing fees dependent upon their status with Nokia currently the 100% stocker owner. If PadsRUs has a tablet device that needs an OS, they could buy X licenses for $Y, or buy stock in the OS and buy X licenses for less that $Y, related to their stock investment in the project. As it is, with other tablets, like Archos, coming out with their own OS/Linux variants, it seems the market is going in the direction of being more and more fractured with lots of reinventing of the same OS wheels over and over. The market would probably benefit having some central organization to manage and develop the OS so that hardware folks could focus more on developing cost effective powerful hardware rather than both hardware and OS/software. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:26 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: > If Nokia is really serious about being a larger player, they ought to > aggressively develop and license the Maemo tablet OS to other > manufacturers so that it has an opportunity to become a dominant > player > in the this growing market niche instead of just another somewhat > self-limiting (soon to be abandoned) proprietary sand castle. Rather than building Maemo up as yet-another-Linux-distro, I'd _rather_ see Nokia come inline with upstream and essentially ship Ubuntu or Debian, but with their own differentiation on top. Hildon is already open, somebody just needs to package it up to a sufficiently usable state for other platforms (it's already in Debian and Ubuntu, but simply installing it doesn't quite get you where you want to be). Though, if speculation based on certain rumors is to be believe, this may actually already be happening. Give it another 6 months and I'm sure we'll know for sure. > As it is, with other tablets, like Archos, coming out with their own > OS/Linux variants, it seems the market is going in the direction of > being more and more fractured with lots of reinventing of the same OS > wheels over and over. The market would probably benefit having some > central organization to manage and develop the OS so that hardware > folks > could focus more on developing cost effective powerful hardware rather > than both hardware and OS/software. Archos is a bad example. I doubt they'd ever be interested in anything than their own proprietary, accessory peddling mess. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Ryan Abel wrote: > On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:26 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: > >> If Nokia is really serious about being a larger player, they ought to >> aggressively develop and license the Maemo tablet OS to other >> manufacturers so that it has an opportunity to become a dominant player >> in the this growing market niche instead of just another somewhat >> self-limiting (soon to be abandoned) proprietary sand castle. > > Rather than building Maemo up as yet-another-Linux-distro, I'd > _rather_ see Nokia come inline with upstream and essentially ship > Ubuntu or Debian, but with their own differentiation on top. Hildon is > already open, somebody just needs to package it up to a sufficiently > usable state for other platforms (it's already in Debian and Ubuntu, > but simply installing it doesn't quite get you where you want to be). > > Though, if speculation based on certain rumors is to be believe, this > may actually already be happening. Give it another 6 months and I'm > sure we'll know for sure. > >> As it is, with other tablets, like Archos, coming out with their own >> OS/Linux variants, it seems the market is going in the direction of >> being more and more fractured with lots of reinventing of the same OS >> wheels over and over. The market would probably benefit having some >> central organization to manage and develop the OS so that hardware folks >> could focus more on developing cost effective powerful hardware rather >> than both hardware and OS/software. > > > Archos is a bad example. I doubt they'd ever be interested in anything > than their own proprietary, accessory peddling mess. Perhaps, but then what can you expect when there really aren't any suitable non-proprietary tablet OSs available. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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-[ Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 07:02:34PM -0400, Ryan Abel ] > Rather than building Maemo up as yet-another-Linux-distro, I'd > _rather_ see Nokia come inline with upstream and essentially ship > Ubuntu or Debian, but with their own differentiation on top. Hildon is > already open, somebody just needs to package it up to a sufficiently > usable state for other platforms (it's already in Debian and Ubuntu, > but simply installing it doesn't quite get you where you want to be). I strongly agree with this. This is very annoying to see manufacturers shipping their own wobbly linux distro, while there is the "universal OS project" (aka. Debian) that has everything one need and is very well tested and supported. Adding your own stuff on top of a mere Debian (or alike) seams so much simplier than packaging your own stuff from scratch that I can't come with no reason to do so, technically speaking. For instance I bough an asus aspire one recently : a very good piece of hardware bundled with a very poor version of Linux. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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See my answers in maemo-developers linked at http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/distro-zen-question-of-the-day/ (some people dislike cross-posting) ext Cedric Cellier wrote: > I strongly agree with this. > This is very annoying to see manufacturers shipping their own wobbly > linux distro, while there is the "universal OS project" (aka. Debian) > that has everything one need and is very well tested and supported. Yes, you have a point. Again, agreed with the basic principle but not that simple in the real actions. Put yourself in our situation with Fremantle on OMAP3: where in debian.org are the very well tested and supported packages for that? Probably not even in Debian ARM stable. But anyway we should most likely use unstable to support our new features, and unstable is by definition not very well tested or supported. > Adding your own stuff on top of a mere Debian (or alike) seams so much > simplier than packaging your own stuff from scratch that I can't > come with no reason to do so, technically speaking. Above you have one. Different technology selections force you to have more e.g. Busybox vs GNU tools. Depending on Debian release cycles might be an additional problem. So yes, diminishing differences with Debian is good, but it's not just about grabbing the code and putting it under our application layer. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Cellier, I would like to know from the commercial perspective how can you endorse a product which is been developed, maintain and gone through a Q&A process which you're not sure or does not comply with your own standards. It's impossible to have what you say, but it is definitely possible to have an open, very well integrated, not so clumpy linux distribution that can be integrated and expanded fairly easy. I guess it will depend on the goals of the project and the organization. Regards, -Urivan Flores ==Original message text=== On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 1:31:01 PST Cedric Cellier wrote: -[ Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 07:02:34PM -0400, Ryan Abel ] > Rather than building Maemo up as yet-another-Linux-distro, I'd > _rather_ see Nokia come inline with upstream and essentially ship > Ubuntu or Debian, but with their own differentiation on top. Hildon is > already open, somebody just needs to package it up to a sufficiently > usable state for other platforms (it's already in Debian and Ubuntu, > but simply installing it doesn't quite get you where you want to be). I strongly agree with this. This is very annoying to see manufacturers shipping their own wobbly linux distro, while there is the "universal OS project" (aka. Debian) that has everything one need and is very well tested and supported. Adding your own stuff on top of a mere Debian (or alike) seams so much simplier than packaging your own stuff from scratch that I can't come with no reason to do so, technically speaking. For instance I bough an asus aspire one recently : a very good piece of hardware bundled with a very poor version of Linux. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ===End of original message text=== Urivan A. Flores Saaib CiberLinux Networking Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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What about something like powerlaunch? Music playback is a pretty common use case, and having to take the tablet out of your pocket to change the volume or the song is a pain. Some hooks into dsme/mce so you can issue commands with the screen turned off would be a nice feature. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Hi! On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would VLC (http://www.videolan.org) be a good client ? > There was a port for Maemo but it was underpowered. > It has the capacity to be embedded and could be a very good all-purpose > (all-codec) media player ... Perhaps this is one of the days when VLC developers regret the decision to not synchronize/collaborate with GStreamer when GStreamer was "there"? Since Nokia supports GStreamer for very obvious (to the maemo community) reasons, supporting a competitor project wouldn't be a very wise idea. DISCLAIMER: This is my very personal opinion and it may very well be wrong. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali Khattak FSF member#5124 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Would VLC (http://www.videolan.org) be a good client ? >> There was a port for Maemo but it was underpowered. >> It has the capacity to be embedded and could be a very good all-purpose >> (all-codec) media player ... > > Perhaps this is one of the days when VLC developers regret the > decision to not synchronize/collaborate with GStreamer when GStreamer > was "there"? Since Nokia supports GStreamer for very obvious (to the > maemo community) reasons, supporting a competitor project wouldn't be > a very wise idea. > > DISCLAIMER: This is my very personal opinion and it may very well be wrong. Agreed, we have officially supported GStreamer and the excellent mplayer which can be wrapped if someone wants a (different) gui. VLC certainly doesn't classify as a killer app bearing these in mind IMHO. Something with more mileage, though still not really a killer app, would be working on optimisation of the backend libs that all three media players use (therefore any media player would benefit). But this will have to wait until we see what the hardware is capable of really. Cheers, Simon ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Nov 1, 2008, at 5:47 AM, Simon Pickering wrote: > Something with more mileage, though still not really a killer app, > would be working on optimisation of the backend libs that all three > media players use (therefore any media player would benefit). But this > will have to wait until we see what the hardware is capable of really. Considering the hardware is already doing 720p with only NEON optimizations, well. . . . -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Hi! > Agreed, we have officially supported GStreamer and the excellent mplayer > which can be wrapped if someone wants a (different) gui. VLC certainly > doesn't classify as a killer app bearing these in mind IMHO. You missed my entire point. :) mplayer is also a competitor of GStreamer and afaik it is NOT officially supported by Nokia. MPlayer is a great application no doubt but so is VLC (afaik much more portable even) and therefore unfortunately faces the same fate. > Something with more mileage, though still not really a killer app, would be > working on optimisation of the backend libs that all three media players use > (therefore any media player would benefit). But this will have to wait until > we see what the hardware is capable of really. Which backend libs all three apps use? I think GStreamer is the perfect backend that all multimedia applications should be using if they are very serious about targeting Maemo. OTOH! I understand their reasons for not going for GStreamer since this will require a huge amount of work and also throwing off a huge amount of investment both MPlayer and VLC have put into their own stacks. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali Khattak FSF member#5124 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Would VLC (http://www.videolan.org) be a good client ? >> There was a port for Maemo but it was underpowered. >> It has the capacity to be embedded and could be a very good all-purpose >> (all-codec) media player ... > > Perhaps this is one of the days when VLC developers regret the > decision to not synchronize/collaborate with GStreamer when GStreamer > was "there"? Since Nokia supports GStreamer for very obvious (to the > maemo community) reasons, supporting a competitor project wouldn't be > a very wise idea. Like supporting both Qt and GTK+? -- Felipe Contreras ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > >> Agreed, we have officially supported GStreamer and the excellent mplayer >> which can be wrapped if someone wants a (different) gui. VLC certainly >> doesn't classify as a killer app bearing these in mind IMHO. > > You missed my entire point. :) mplayer is also a competitor of > GStreamer and afaik it is NOT officially supported by Nokia. MPlayer > is a great application no doubt but so is VLC (afaik much more > portable even) and therefore unfortunately faces the same fate. > >> Something with more mileage, though still not really a killer app, would be >> working on optimisation of the backend libs that all three media players use >> (therefore any media player would benefit). But this will have to wait until >> we see what the hardware is capable of really. > > Which backend libs all three apps use? I think GStreamer is the > perfect backend that all multimedia applications should be using if > they are very serious about targeting Maemo. OTOH! I understand their > reasons for not going for GStreamer since this will require a huge > amount of work and also throwing off a huge amount of investment both > MPlayer and VLC have put into their own stacks. GStreamer is not as lightweight as FFmpeg for example. I can see why MPlayer and VLC developers wouldn't want to use it as a backend. As a framework it's great though. The "backends" that Simon talks about are the ones that most projects share: libmad, libvorbis, x264 (which VLC guys started), etc. But must of the codec support comes from FFmpeg (both gst and vlc use it), and I don't see, for example, GStreamer developers optimizing the codecs for ARM as the FFmpeg guys are doing. But this is of course in the open source arena, when doing products you can't just use FFmpeg due to licensing issues. That's why GStreamer is more attractive to companies since it's extensible and proprietary modules can be developed. Android is following a completely different approach. It's providing the codecs themselves[1] in an Apache licence, so the open source community can compile and improve them, but companies can also include them in their products paying the licence fees, and contribute without granting patents. Also, Google is providing the codecs with OpenMAX IL interface, so GStreamer can already make use of them through gst-openmax [2]. In a similar fashion GStreamer can use proprietary DSP accelerated codecs through the OpenMAX IL interface. Anyway, coming back to the subject; I don't have a media player that suit my needs in the Maemo devices, so VLC looks like a nice alternative. But eventually, as Simon points out, it's more important to work on the backends that the different players can reuse, otherwise performance will be bad. [1] http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/opencore.git [2] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/GstOpenMAX -- Felipe Contreras ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Felipe Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Hi! >> >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Would VLC (http://www.videolan.org) be a good client ? >>> There was a port for Maemo but it was underpowered. >>> It has the capacity to be embedded and could be a very good all-purpose >>> (all-codec) media player ... >> >> Perhaps this is one of the days when VLC developers regret the >> decision to not synchronize/collaborate with GStreamer when GStreamer >> was "there"? Since Nokia supports GStreamer for very obvious (to the >> maemo community) reasons, supporting a competitor project wouldn't be >> a very wise idea. > > Like supporting both Qt and GTK+? Heh! this analogy isn't a very good one since: 1. You do know that Qt is now owned by Nokia? Adding support for that besides maintaining support for *existing" Gtk+ shouldn't be a big surprise? 2. Gtk+ and Qt are very great UI *frameworks* but the same is not true about GStreamer, VLC and MPlayer since the last two are more of Players rather than frameworks, although good pretty good but still not really frameworks. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
