Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
On 31.05.10 15:21, Yonathan Dossow wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 12:18 +0200, Andrea Grandi wrote: Hi, [...] So my suspects are: - the Twitter widget available in OVI (if it's this, congratulation to people who publish software in OVI store without let testers to test it in extras-devel / extras-testing) It happened to me, my battery drained in a couple of hours, and I found the twitter widget eating 99.9% of my cpu. So I disabled it... no problems so far. Yes, I had the same. The Twitter-Widget is really bad software. Use Mauku for twitter, it's not that bad. The comments in the ovi-store speak for themselves. - Klaus ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
On 1 June 2010 12:24, Klaus Umbach klaus-ma...@uxix.de wrote: Yes, I had the same. The Twitter-Widget is really bad software. Use Mauku for twitter, it's not that bad. http://www.tweetgo.net -- even better. -- Dawid 'evad' Lorenz * http://adl.pl null://google 'no evil' mail has taken away my random signatures ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 12:18 +0200, Andrea Grandi wrote: Hi, [...] So my suspects are: - the Twitter widget available in OVI (if it's this, congratulation to people who publish software in OVI store without let testers to test it in extras-devel / extras-testing) It happened to me, my battery drained in a couple of hours, and I found the twitter widget eating 99.9% of my cpu. So I disabled it... no problems so far. -- Yonathan H. Dossow Acun~a Unidad de Servicios de Computacion e Internet Fono: +56 32 2654367 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria Valparaiso, Chile ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
I upgraded to PR 1.2 and I have not noticed any issue with the battery draining, and I do not use Facebook or Twitter. So, that lets PR 1.2 off the hook. --- On Sat, 5/29/10, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: From: Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com Subject: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours To: maemo-develop...@maemo.org, maemo users maemo-users@maemo.org Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 3:01 AM Hi all, this is my situation: - N900 with PR 1.2 flashed - full charged battery - extras-devel and extras-testing disabled - 2 installed and running widget: facebook (pre-installed by default) and Twitter (available on OVI store) I expect this software to be STABLE. I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, so could anyone please explain me WHO drained my whole battery?! Thanks, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
QA Proposals (was Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours)
On 29/05/10 17:52, Sivan Greenberg wrote: Yes, I am working on this :) Real life and bills paying can sometimes get in the way but I'm slowly going back to being fully active with MeeGo. I will send a notification to go over and review [0] once it is finished, as so far I outlined the tools that will enable us better QA but have not expanded them and elaborated. Then I would ask the TSG to approve the team creation, which would also attempt to engage users in QA and specific niche testing of the software we deliver. Hi Sivan Just checking : [0]: http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Quality_Assurance_working_group and maemo-developers mailing list So we should really take (or at least cc) the QAWG to meego-dev (but see later) However could you look at: http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group Having spent quite a lot of time pushing for *something* to be done in this area I'd like to suggest that the successor to the RWG encompases this kind of QA activity. Personally, I'd also suggest that you forget about Working Groups the powers that be don't seem interested in setting up WGs for much other than product direction at the moment; certainly they won't (AFAIUI) set one up for just QA; it would be expected to fall under a larger umbrella. See the various TSG logs for the past few months for my (lbt) attempts and more useful URLs. Of course there's also the Meeting call for Community application support that you responded to on the -community ml. Lets follow up in that meeting. Right... now the see later: I actually don't think there's much point in doing MeeGo QA policy right now anyway; I think we'd be *far* better off working on Maemo QA for Fremantle ... and Harmattan. We have an established community and real devices to work with. We're also working on moving the build and QA infrastructure in Maemo towards the same basic shape that I think we'll see in MeeGo (ie an OBS driven approach). FYI I'm also working on workflow automation and integration with image and test systems internally for Nokia and we expect those solutions to be OSS and deployed on maemo.org meego.com(munity) So if we work on a decent solution for Maemo and ensure it's suitable for MeeGo then we solve a lot of real-world issues. David -- Don't worry, you'll be fine; I saw it work in a cartoon once... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, so could anyone please explain me WHO drained my whole battery?! Can you ensure that your phone doesn't create connections automatically? -- Ville M. Vainio http://tinyurl.com/vainio ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
Hi, On 29 May 2010 12:11, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, so could anyone please explain me WHO drained my whole battery?! Can you ensure that your phone doesn't create connections automatically? yes I'm sure. I never let it connect automatically. And just for you to notice: once I really forgot to disconnect before going to sleep: when I wake up I still had more than half of the battery, but this is of course not the case. So my suspects are: - the Twitter widget available in OVI (if it's this, congratulation to people who publish software in OVI store without let testers to test it in extras-devel / extras-testing) - the facebook widget (very strange since it's available from the beginning, someone should have noticed this bug) - something really weird introduced with PR 1.2 (no comment). Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: So my suspects are: - the Twitter widget available in OVI (if it's this, congratulation to people who publish software in OVI store without let testers to test it in extras-devel / extras-testing) - the facebook widget (very strange since it's available from the beginning, someone should have noticed this bug) - something really weird introduced with PR 1.2 (no comment). Do you use email widget or check your email with the email app? -- João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos Analista de Sistemas - Infraestrutura joaoolavo.wordpress.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
Hi, 2010/5/29 João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos joaool...@gmail.com: Do you use email widget or check your email with the email app? no, I don't. Just Facebook widget and Twitter one. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 12:18 +0200, Andrea Grandi wrote: Hi, On 29 May 2010 12:11, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, so could anyone please explain me WHO drained my whole battery?! Can you ensure that your phone doesn't create connections automatically? yes I'm sure. I never let it connect automatically. And just for you to notice: once I really forgot to disconnect before going to sleep: when I wake up I still had more than half of the battery, but this is of course not the case. So my suspects are: - the Twitter widget available in OVI (if it's this, congratulation to people who publish software in OVI store without let testers to test it in extras-devel / extras-testing) - the facebook widget (very strange since it's available from the beginning, someone should have noticed this bug) - something really weird introduced with PR 1.2 (no comment). Regards, Not that it's an answer, but I hold OVI in the worst regard. OVI should be drawn and quartered. I downloaded an app from OVI to my E66, short story I ended up reflashing to get rid of unwanted behavior. -- Best Regards, Peter The Plumber ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
Sivan, If you have suggestions for the QA that we can control (i.e. that of maemo.org Extras) please share them. Also, examples of problems with Ovi's QA (such as obvious battery drainers) will help Nokia see that crowdsourced QA can be better than their in-house stuff (though our 10 day process is apparently a bit longer than theirs). Cheers, Andrew On 29/05/2010, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: I also experienced that with the Facebook widget alone, but the battery performance is also very poor without any active widgets or connections (6 hours max!). I am also curious what sort of QA procedures the OVI store publishing process carries, but this is what I think only one sign of a greater problem with quality assurance that I think is lacking across projects. I hope we can change this in MeeGo, and ASAP. Sivan On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Daniil Ivanov daniil.iva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andrea! On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 29 May 2010 12:11, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, so could anyone please explain me WHO drained my whole battery?! Can you ensure that your phone doesn't create connections automatically? yes I'm sure. I never let it connect automatically. And just for you to notice: once I really forgot to disconnect before going to sleep: when I wake up I still had more than half of the battery, but this is of course not the case. So my suspects are: - the Twitter widget available in OVI (if it's this, congratulation to people who publish software in OVI store without let testers to test it in extras-devel / extras-testing) The key word in phrase Ovi Store is a Store. Nobody will upload commercial applications to extras-devel or extras-testing. This is the way Ovi Store works. You can save battery info log with the commands: lshal | grep battery.reporting.current battery.log date battery.log try to use facebook widget separately, twitter widget separately and maybe both of widgets disabled and see how battery life is affected. Thanks, Daniil - the facebook widget (very strange since it's available from the beginning, someone should have noticed this bug) - something really weird introduced with PR 1.2 (no comment). Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-develop...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-develop...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-develop...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
