Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Hi, Sorry, I completely missed that issue. To my knowledge, Maemo Mapper can't import map databases from other programs, it can only download new sets of tiles from the repositories you set up. AFAIK it stores the tiles in a sqlite3 database file. So if you find a way to feed your tiles into this database file, MM could be capable to display them. I wonder if it was worth the efforts, though. Cheers, ce ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Mark wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:05 PM, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not appear that Maemo Mapper can import the map tiles. Or can it... G. Sorry, I completely missed that issue. To my knowledge, Maemo Mapper can't import map databases from other programs, it can only download new sets of tiles from the repositories you set up. The implication of the comments in the gpsdrive documentation and in other places is that you can import sets of tiled files...but I have not been able to do it on my laptop. Yet. Still working on niggling issues such as missing files in mapnik etc.etc. G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Mark wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Christoph Eckert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sorry, I completely missed that issue. To my knowledge, Maemo Mapper can't import map databases from other programs, it can only download new sets of tiles from the repositories you set up. AFAIK it stores the tiles in a sqlite3 database file. So if you find a way to feed your tiles into this database file, MM could be capable to display them. I wonder if it was worth the efforts, though. Cheers, ce ___ One would have to know exactly how the information is stored in the database in order to be successful in importing the data in that way. I would be very surprised if it's worthwhile. Maemo Mapper is so slick about downloading tiles that I don't think it's even worth investigating. It is if you are attempting to import tiles created from map files which are far too large for even a desktop to handle easily. I have for example a tif file which is 55Megand gets tiled into 68 1280x1024 pixel images. And it supposedly can be done with gpsdriver. I just don't know how. And once I figure out how, on my laptop, I guess I will have to compile mapnik and gpsdriver for Diablo... Geoff ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject line says it all. Is there available port of gpsdrive for Chinook or Diablo? The site for an OS2006 version is now '404' G. I suggest you try RoadMap. It's pretty similar in functionality. You can find it here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/roadmap/ There are a few other GPS/Mapping applications here: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/travel/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Can these use a usb gps, specifically a DeLorme Earthmate GPS? tj Mark wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject line says it all. Is there available port of gpsdrive for Chinook or Diablo? The site for an OS2006 version is now '404' G. I suggest you try RoadMap. It's pretty similar in functionality. You can find it here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/roadmap/ There are a few other GPS/Mapping applications here: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/travel/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Joshua Layne wrote: Roadmap uses gpsd, so provided you can get gpsd running against your usb GPS, yes. gpsd.berlios.de has pretty reasonable documentation, but if you run into issues, ask here and we can try to walk you through it. Regards, Josh On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:17:54 -0400, tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can these use a usb gps, specifically a DeLorme Earthmate GPS? tj Mark wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject line says it all. Is there available port of gpsdrive for Chinook or Diablo? The site for an OS2006 version is now '404' G. I suggest you try RoadMap. It's pretty similar in functionality. You can find it here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/roadmap/ There are a few other GPS/Mapping applications here: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/travel/ Roadmap is limited in the maps it uses (and the interface for installing maps is.weird..) gpsdrive will import tiled slices of map images as georeferenced png or tif files. Which is why it is useful. If I could get it built! Even on Fedora... G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
En/na R. G. Newbury ha escrit: gpsdrive will import tiled slices of map images as georeferenced png or tif files. You can try maemo mapper Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:11 PM, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Layne wrote: Roadmap uses gpsd, so provided you can get gpsd running against your usb GPS, yes. gpsd.berlios.de has pretty reasonable documentation, but if you run into issues, ask here and we can try to walk you through it. Regards, Josh On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:17:54 -0400, tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can these use a usb gps, specifically a DeLorme Earthmate GPS? tj Mark wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject line says it all. Is there available port of gpsdrive for Chinook or Diablo? The site for an OS2006 version is now '404' G. I suggest you try RoadMap. It's pretty similar in functionality. You can find it here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/roadmap/ There are a few other GPS/Mapping applications here: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/travel/ Roadmap is limited in the maps it uses (and the interface for installing maps is.weird..) gpsdrive will import tiled slices of map images as georeferenced png or tif files. Which is why it is useful. If I could get it built! Even on Fedora... G. If you like tiled bitmaps, Maemo Mapper is outstanding with its ease of use and the number of different map sources available. I personally prefer vector maps. One consideration is that there is little chance that bitmap-based programs will ever be able to do native routing. You have to go online and download directions from another source. Vector maps lend themselves to that much more readily. Bitmap-based programs are pretty - the satellite map option is particularly cool - but at the expense of sever major features. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Luca Olivetti wrote: En/na R. G. Newbury ha escrit: gpsdrive will import tiled slices of map images as georeferenced png or tif files. You can try maemo mapper I don't think it will import the maps properly. It may display them, but gspdrive (according to the documentation) can make use of the map_coord_draft.txt produced by gdal_slice and build a database. I don't think maemo mapper can do that. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Mark wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:11 PM, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Layne wrote: Roadmap uses gpsd, so provided you can get gpsd running against your usb GPS, yes. gpsd.berlios.de has pretty reasonable documentation, but if you run into issues, ask here and we can try to walk you through it. Regards, Josh On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:17:54 -0400, tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can these use a usb gps, specifically a DeLorme Earthmate GPS? tj Mark wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject line says it all. Is there available port of gpsdrive for Chinook or Diablo? The site for an OS2006 version is now '404' G. I suggest you try RoadMap. It's pretty similar in functionality. You can find it here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/roadmap/ There are a few other GPS/Mapping applications here: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/travel/ Roadmap is limited in the maps it uses (and the interface for installing maps is.weird..) gpsdrive will import tiled slices of map images as georeferenced png or tif files. Which is why it is useful. If I could get it built! Even on Fedora... G. If you like tiled bitmaps, Maemo Mapper is outstanding with its ease of use and the number of different map sources available. I personally prefer vector maps. One consideration is that there is little chance that bitmap-based programs will ever be able to do native routing. You have to go online and download directions from another source. Vector maps lend themselves to that much more readily. Bitmap-based programs are pretty - the satellite map option is particularly cool - but at the expense of sever major features. It does not appear that Maemo Mapper can import the map tiles. Or can it... G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App downloads stats (was Re: chinook)
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 08:47:49AM +0300, Quim Gil wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 15:40 +0400, ext Mikhail Sobolev wrote: The main FBReader author would happily make FBReader available from the extras repository. The main reason why it's not there yet is the lack of way to see how many installations are happening from it. :) The download numbers somehow help to prioritize checking/testing for various platforms. Good point. Please follow Downloads statistics in extras repository http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2155 Great. Thanks. btw, there have been conversations about implementing in the future a popularity-contest like feature. Users would accept (or not) to share information about the software they have installed and this would help us identifying the areas where there is more interest/activity, and what are the most popular third part applications. This feature is common in Debian, Ubuntu and other GNU/Linux distributions. Yeah... That sounds interesting. -- Misha signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App downloads stats (was Re: chinook)
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:47:49 +0300 Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 15:40 +0400, ext Mikhail Sobolev wrote: The main FBReader author would happily make FBReader available from the extras repository. The main reason why it's not there yet is the lack of way to see how many installations are happening from it. :) The download numbers somehow help to prioritize checking/testing for various platforms. Good point. Please follow Downloads statistics in extras repository http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2155 Also, the new http://downloads.maemo.org will show downloads count as well originated from people clicking those big green install arrows. btw, there have been conversations about implementing in the future a popularity-contest like feature. Users would accept (or not) to share information about the software they have installed and this would help us identifying the areas where there is more interest/activity, and what are the most popular third part applications. This feature is common in Debian, Ubuntu and other GNU/Linux distributions. This would help. However there's situations where it can mislead. For example, it might allow lots of unmeasured desire for some sort of office suite to persist in favor of development focused on relatively minor stuff of high download popularity. -- Always Fred Chittenden, DDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App downloads stats (was Re: chinook)
Am Dienstag, 23. Oktober 2007 schrieb Quim Gil: On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 15:40 +0400, ext Mikhail Sobolev wrote: The main FBReader author would happily make FBReader available from the extras repository. The main reason why it's not there yet is the lack of way to see how many installations are happening from it. :) The download numbers somehow help to prioritize checking/testing for various platforms. Good point. Please follow Downloads statistics in extras repository http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2155 Also, the new http://downloads.maemo.org will show downloads count as well originated from people clicking those big green install arrows. btw, there have been conversations about implementing in the future a popularity-contest like feature. Users would accept (or not) to share information about the software they have installed and this would help us identifying the areas where there is more interest/activity, and what are the most popular third part applications. This feature is common in Debian, Ubuntu and other GNU/Linux distributions. Hi Quim, I thing a voting / rating mechanism is interesting as a way of quality management in order to decide which application could move up to a central repository. The question remains how should this rating mechanism be implemented? Is one rating category enough? Probable not. And how many different maemo members should have voted on an application before it can be considered to be part in the extra repository? I could imagine different categories which will sum up to an overall rating: * Stability * Usability ** Fingerfriendlyness ** Sylusfriendlyness * Integration in Hildondesktop * Performace * Eye candy * ... The overall rating would be calculated by a key which describes the influence of each criteria. (Stability 30%, Integration 20%, Usability 20% ...) In case the overall rating is above a certain value - let's say 60% than this application could be considered as a candidate to be part of the central repository (Also of course a question of licence etc...). So, how many different user with a maemo login membership will be needed to vote an app up to a repository? More than 10? I don't know. I think the advantage of having more and different categories is that it would also give the product owner (developer) an quick overview where he needs to improve the product to raise the overall rating above the magic line. Well, so far my ideas. I am looking forward to a consolidation of the repository situation. Best regards Krischan Keitsch ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App downloads stats (was Re: chinook)
On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 20:09 +0200, ext Krischan Keitsch wrote: I thing a voting / rating mechanism is interesting as a way of quality management in order to decide which application could move up to a central repository. We are talking about different thing here, although all them are related. - Debian's popularity-contest is a package that the user accepts in her system. It registers the apps you install/deinstall and use more frequently. It sends the data automatically to a central repository keeping your identity private. All the data gathered generate lots of statistics: http://popcon.debian.org/ - Manual votes (digital, in fact) can be done via http://downloads.maemo.org. We are going to see ranks soon, and Nokia is going to look the apps on the top with more attention. - About missing features/software, the official process goes through submission of feature requests via http://maemo.org/community/wiki/roadmapwishlist/ or bugzilla. The latter include votes, and we look at them when prioritizing our attention. But in general it is more or less clear when features are requested by a lot of people. - About access to the extras repository, the situation today is that a developer can request access and we will provide it (or not). Obnce a developer has it, she can throw all the code there. This has to change to a community driven filtering and moderation though, and we would like to see the new system working for Diablo. There has been some previous discussion in maemo-developers and we are going to push that discussion again until getting conclusions (unless someone else does it before, of course). -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
App downloads stats (was Re: chinook)
On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 15:40 +0400, ext Mikhail Sobolev wrote: The main FBReader author would happily make FBReader available from the extras repository. The main reason why it's not there yet is the lack of way to see how many installations are happening from it. :) The download numbers somehow help to prioritize checking/testing for various platforms. Good point. Please follow Downloads statistics in extras repository http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2155 Also, the new http://downloads.maemo.org will show downloads count as well originated from people clicking those big green install arrows. btw, there have been conversations about implementing in the future a popularity-contest like feature. Users would accept (or not) to share information about the software they have installed and this would help us identifying the areas where there is more interest/activity, and what are the most popular third part applications. This feature is common in Debian, Ubuntu and other GNU/Linux distributions. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: chinook
Fred, I did some more research into the problem of connecting to Windows Vista and Windows Sever 2008 Beta 3 using Rdesktop on the N800. It turns out that if I use the IP address instead of the netbios hostname that the Rdesktop client DOES work on the N800. It is kind of interesting to see the Windows Media Center application running on the N800 screen. I can even use the N800 to manage the TV programming guide/selection. However, The Media Center application is smart enough to realize that it is connecting to a RDP display and so video playback is suppressed. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service provider markets* Acadia Secure Networks wrote: Fred, I can't speak to your question with respect to the N810 since I don't have one yet. I can however, confirm that RDesktop does work on the N800 and I have used/tested it by VNC'ing into my N800 by means of TigntVNC running on Windows XP SP2 and used the rdesktop app on the N800 to manage, for example, Windows Server 2003 systems. Of course the keyboard in this configuration was connected to the XP system. On the other hand, I have been unable to use this mechanism to RDP into a Windows Vista system and I have not had the time to sort out the problem. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service provider markets* * * Fred Chittenden wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:39:12 +0100 Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone have anything built to test? love to try some apps on the N810 ... does n810 rdesktop work to an xp computer with n810 keyboard access and perhaps some way of making one of the button sets work as a mouse right and left click? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: chinook
Fred, I can't speak to your question with respect to the N810 since I don't have one yet. I can however, confirm that RDesktop does work on the N800 and I have used/tested it by VNC'ing into my N800 by means of TigntVNC running on Windows XP SP2 and used the rdesktop app on the N800 to manage, for example, Windows Server 2003 systems. Of course the keyboard in this configuration was connected to the XP system. On the other hand, I have been unable to use this mechanism to RDP into a Windows Vista system and I have not had the time to sort out the problem. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service provider markets* * * Fred Chittenden wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:39:12 +0100 Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone have anything built to test? love to try some apps on the N810 ... does n810 rdesktop work to an xp computer with n810 keyboard access and perhaps some way of making one of the button sets work as a mouse right and left click? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: chinook
On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:59:09PM +0300, Quim Gil wrote: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/ Hum, almost empty. Mid November, this is when the first real customers are going to start playing with Chinook. The N810 will come with the extras repository preconfigured, users will only need to activate it manually. Can we get all the useful packages (things like libraries and python 2.5) that are currently available only in the SDK repository copied to the extras repository? Today people have problems installing packages like kagu that live in extras but depend on packages from the SDK repo (python2.5-pygame, IIRC). Marius Gedminas -- Unix for stability; Macs for productivity; Palm for mobility; Windows for Solitaire signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: chinook
perfect - no python means quite a few things just won't work... On 10/19/07, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 12:59:09PM +0300, Quim Gil wrote: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/ Hum, almost empty. Mid November, this is when the first real customers are going to start playing with Chinook. The N810 will come with the extras repository preconfigured, users will only need to activate it manually. Can we get all the useful packages (things like libraries and python 2.5) that are currently available only in the SDK repository copied to the extras repository? Today people have problems installing packages like kagu that live in extras but depend on packages from the SDK repo (python2.5-pygame, IIRC). Marius Gedminas -- Unix for stability; Macs for productivity; Palm for mobility; Windows for Solitaire -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHGPZwkVdEXeem148RAsnwAJ0cISMzvRafqNhUMtQhyCAzELYA9gCfU6hs JI39PSPPAz1l6cum0uMc7kg= =L33z -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: chinook
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/ Hum, almost empty. Mid November, this is when the first real customers are going to start playing with Chinook. The N810 will come with the extras repository preconfigured, users will only need to activate it manually. downloads.maemo.org is going to show OS2008 applications by default to PC users and N810 users are going to see this too. (N800/770 users wil previous OS versions will get their apps as default). All this to say that the sooner your packages hit the extras repository the earlier you will get (perhaps) some testing and (perhaps*perhaps) feedback from i.e. the 3 delmariachis I mean the 3/del bloggers of SF ;) and other people around using already the OS2008. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: chinook
Only thing I saw in the repository was Open SSH which I installed. FBReader installed fine too using the one-click file with the new release. Unable to install ScummVM. Not sure why, that's the error that I got upon loading the .deb that was linked earlier. Term was pre-installed and procinfo worked - we did that right away! On 10/19/07, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/ Hum, almost empty. Mid November, this is when the first real customers are going to start playing with Chinook. The N810 will come with the extras repository preconfigured, users will only need to activate it manually. downloads.maemo.org is going to show OS2008 applications by default to PC users and N810 users are going to see this too. (N800/770 users wil previous OS versions will get their apps as default). All this to say that the sooner your packages hit the extras repository the earlier you will get (perhaps) some testing and (perhaps*perhaps) feedback from i.e. the 3 delmariachis I mean the 3/del bloggers of SF ;) and other people around using already the OS2008. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: chinook
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 11:11:32AM -0400, Jonathan Greene wrote: does anyone have anything built to test? love to try some apps on the N810 Guess what? :) You can try FBReader... :)) We'll make it official soonish, at the moment you can find a version in deb http://only.mawhrin.net/~mss/fb ./ Any feedback is welcome :) Kind Regards -- Misha signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: chinook
does anyone have anything built to test? love to try some apps on the N810 ... And we'd love to see the output of dmesg right after boot. I'd also be interested to see the contents of the initfs' kernel module directory (pvr.ko are you there? :) ) and the contents of /lib/dsp/modules/. I'm sure there are other things people would like to know about too Cheers, Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Greene Sent: 18 October 2007 16:12 To: maemo-users Subject: chinook does anyone have anything built to test? love to try some apps on the N810 ... -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
