Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ryan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 03:36:46PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:06:59PM -0600, Mark wrote: > >>> It's silly, I know, but I'm tired of waiting for AisleRiot to be > >>> released for OS2008. > > ... > >> I'll try building it for OS2008 later today. > > > > Don't hold your breath, this is harder than just recompiling. It > > wants > > gnome-doc-utils 0.10 (but the OS2007 version somehow was happy with > > 0.6, > > despite my trying to build both from the same sources) and gtk+ 2.12 > > (while OS2008 has 2.10, and OS2007 had 2.6). > > See here for AisleRiot OS2008: > http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14523 > That's great. However, the links given on that page for the actual app are broken - they were for a limited time/number of downloads and the limits have long since been exceeded. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 03:36:46PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:06:59PM -0600, Mark wrote: > > > > It's silly, I know, but I'm tired of waiting for AisleRiot to be > > > released for OS2008. > ... > > > I'll try building it for OS2008 later today. > > Don't hold your breath, this is harder than just recompiling. It wants > gnome-doc-utils 0.10 (but the OS2007 version somehow was happy with 0.6, > despite my trying to build both from the same sources) and gtk+ 2.12 > (while OS2008 has 2.10, and OS2007 had 2.6). > > Marius Gedminas Well, I guess that explains why the maintainer hasn't updated it yet. Thanks for trying. If you're using the same source but compiling for different targets, does that mean that this is caused by scratchbox requirements rather than the the app itself? Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 03:36:46PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:06:59PM -0600, Mark wrote: >>> It's silly, I know, but I'm tired of waiting for AisleRiot to be >>> released for OS2008. > ... >> I'll try building it for OS2008 later today. > > Don't hold your breath, this is harder than just recompiling. It > wants > gnome-doc-utils 0.10 (but the OS2007 version somehow was happy with > 0.6, > despite my trying to build both from the same sources) and gtk+ 2.12 > (while OS2008 has 2.10, and OS2007 had 2.6). See here for AisleRiot OS2008: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14523 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 03:36:46PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:06:59PM -0600, Mark wrote: > > It's silly, I know, but I'm tired of waiting for AisleRiot to be > > released for OS2008. ... > I'll try building it for OS2008 later today. Don't hold your breath, this is harder than just recompiling. It wants gnome-doc-utils 0.10 (but the OS2007 version somehow was happy with 0.6, despite my trying to build both from the same sources) and gtk+ 2.12 (while OS2008 has 2.10, and OS2007 had 2.6). Marius Gedminas -- As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error. -- Weisert signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:06:59PM -0600, Mark wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > unfortunately, this gives me an odd dependency error (hildon-libs0) > > > and refuses to do the download. Doing it your way gets me the .deb I > > > want, but that dependency is still in the way. > > > > Right. Square peg, round hole. A hammer won't help. > > > It's silly, I know, but I'm tired of waiting for AisleRiot to be > released for OS2008. I don't understand why it has that dependency - > it doesn't seem like a game like that should have very many > requirements. hildon-libs is a core Maemo OS library. > I also wouldn't think that it would take a great deal of > effort to recompile it for OS2008 since it's already been hildonized > for OS2007. At any rate, since the person who did the port hasn't made > it available for OS2008, isn't giving access to the source and I'm not If this is AisleRiot from gnome-games, then not giving access to the source would be a licence violation. Luckily, the source is available in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/source/g/gnome-games/ Aside: how do you look for a source? Well, the .install file says repo_name = bora-extras repo_deb_3 = deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free package = aisleriot so go to http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/source/, read the Sources file, and find Package: gnome-games Binary: aisleriot-help-en, aisleriot, aisleriot-help-fr Version: 1:2.19.2+git-1maemo0 Maintainer: Christian Persch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper, libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.8.0), gettext, guile-1.6-dev, pkg-config Architecture: any Standards-Version: 3.7.2 Format: 1.0 Directory: pool/bora/free/source/g/gnome-games Files: 2f36b1e714a1d679612394672395bd58 702 gnome-games_2.19.2+git-1maemo0.dsc 27e7d00249e3209cfc82056a193bff2a 11636281 gnome-games_2.19.2+git.orig.tar.gz d2a7b7deff06b6b06a3713c3065f37b6 41527 gnome-games_2.19.2+git-1maemo0.diff.gz inside. > capable of porting it myself (and why should I duplicate that effort > anyway?), I was hoping I could somehow get the OS2007 version to > install on OS2008. I guess that's too much to ask... I'll try building it for OS2008 later today. Marius Gedminas -- question = 0xFF;// optimized Hamlet signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > unfortunately, this gives me an odd dependency error (hildon-libs0) > > and refuses to do the download. Doing it your way gets me the .deb I > > want, but that dependency is still in the way. > > Right. Square peg, round hole. A hammer won't help. > It's silly, I know, but I'm tired of waiting for AisleRiot to be released for OS2008. I don't understand why it has that dependency - it doesn't seem like a game like that should have very many requirements. I also wouldn't think that it would take a great deal of effort to recompile it for OS2008 since it's already been hildonized for OS2007. At any rate, since the person who did the port hasn't made it available for OS2008, isn't giving access to the source and I'm not capable of porting it myself (and why should I duplicate that effort anyway?), I was hoping I could somehow get the OS2007 version to install on OS2008. I guess that's too much to ask... > The hildon-libs dependency smells of OS incompatibility. What OS do you > have and what package you're trying to install? Sometimes a simple > recompile is sufficient to make a package compatible with a different > Maemo version. I have a scratchbox handy on this laptop; I could > rebuild the package for you if the sources are available. > I installed scratchbox on my desktop and attempted to follow the tutorials, but haven't yet succeeded in actually compiling or installing anything. There are too many little details that are left out of the tutorial, and I haven't been able to find them anywhere else. > > > > Microsoft is not the answer. > > > Microsoft is the question. > > > "No" is the answer. > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > I've seen a different version of this, but I really like yours. :-) > > I don't remember where I got it, but it certainly isn't original. The "original" version I saw went like this: Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. "Yes" is the answer. This is the first time I've seen the Microsoft variation. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 08:29:37AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 03:51:56PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > > > > There are two repository layouts. Suppose you have > > > > deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free > > > > in the .install file. Start browsing at > > > > http://repostitory.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/ (or non-free) > > > > Note the extra 'dists/' URL component. Then look inside binary-armel. > > Very interesting -- as well as binary-armel there's a binary-i386. Does > this imply that maemo runs on regular 32-bit Intel boxes as well? Yes. Specifically, the Maemo SDK runs on regular 32-bit Intel boxes. (I've heard that people also managed to run it on 64-bit boxes.) Marius Gedminas -- Hi. I'm the "I love you" .signature virus. You have been infected. Please panic immediately. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 05:48:36PM -0600, Mark wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The following is for informational purposes only. You should never ever > > download debs directly -- either install them with the application > > installer, or use sudo apt-get install from a terminal. Installing debs > > directly is the "use a bigger hammer" approach to replacing a light > > bulb -- if you screw up, it's your own fault. > > > > There are two repository layouts. [...] > > This is great information for future reference, specific to Maemo. Actually, it's specific to any Debian-based distro (Debian, Ubuntu, Maemo, ...). > However, I was thinking there was a generic linux command, and finally > realized that it was probably an apt-get option and decided to RTFM. > The command I was looking for was > > apt-get --download-only install foo > or > apt-get -d install foo Yes. There's also apt-get install foo --print-uri > unfortunately, this gives me an odd dependency error (hildon-libs0) > and refuses to do the download. Doing it your way gets me the .deb I > want, but that dependency is still in the way. Right. Square peg, round hole. A hammer won't help. The hildon-libs dependency smells of OS incompatibility. What OS do you have and what package you're trying to install? Sometimes a simple recompile is sufficient to make a package compatible with a different Maemo version. I have a scratchbox handy on this laptop; I could rebuild the package for you if the sources are available. > > Microsoft is not the answer. > > Microsoft is the question. > > "No" is the answer. > > ROTFLMAO! > I've seen a different version of this, but I really like yours. :-) I don't remember where I got it, but it certainly isn't original. Marius Gedminas -- My mail reader can beat up your mail reader. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 03:51:56PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > > There are two repository layouts. Suppose you have > > deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free > > in the .install file. Start browsing at > > http://repostitory.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/ (or non-free) > > Note the extra 'dists/' URL component. Then look inside binary-armel. Very interesting -- as well as binary-armel there's a binary-i386. Does this imply that maemo runs on regular 32-bit Intel boxes as well? -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The following is for informational purposes only. You should never ever > download debs directly -- either install them with the application > installer, or use sudo apt-get install from a terminal. Installing debs > directly is the "use a bigger hammer" approach to replacing a light > bulb -- if you screw up, it's your own fault. > > > There are two repository layouts. Suppose you have > > deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free > > in the .install file. Start browsing at > > http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/ (or non-free) > > Note the extra 'dists/' URL component. Then look inside binary-armel. > You'll find a 'Packages' file that mentions all installable packages and > their locations. Sometimes the packages live there, and sometimes > they live in a pool. The package URLs are relative to the initial URL, > so in this particular instance, when Packages says > > Filename: pool/bora/free/p/pybluez/python2.5-bluez_0.9.1-1osso2_i386.deb > > you'd have to go to > > > http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/pybluez/python2.5-bluez_0.9.1-1osso2_i386.deb > > to get the deb. > > The other repository format is simpler: > > deb http://aeracode.org/maemo/2006 ./ > > Just go to http://aeracode.org/maemo/2006 and you'll find the Packages > file (and most likely the debs) there. If it had said > > deb http://aeracode.org/maemo/2006 subdir/ > > you'd have to look in http://aeracode.org/maemo/2006/subdir. > > Marius Gedminas > -- This is great information for future reference, specific to Maemo. However, I was thinking there was a generic linux command, and finally realized that it was probably an apt-get option and decided to RTFM. The command I was looking for was apt-get --download-only install foo or apt-get -d install foo unfortunately, this gives me an odd dependency error (hildon-libs0) and refuses to do the download. Doing it your way gets me the .deb I want, but that dependency is still in the way. > Microsoft is not the answer. > Microsoft is the question. > "No" is the answer. > ROTFLMAO! I've seen a different version of this, but I really like yours. :-) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 02:04:33PM -0600, Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: > So, Marius, after you rebooted, how does the touch screen operate? Better, > worse, same? It worked fine after the reboot. Well, actually I initially tried to calibrate it incorrectly, to adjust for the bias, and so when I rebooted my overadjustment worked too well and I had to recalibrate properly and reboot again. :-) Marius Gedminas -- For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 02:18:28PM -0600, Mark wrote: > If it's in the application manager, you can install it from there. My > problem is that what I want to install isn't in the catalog for > OS2008, but it is hosted in the maemo repository - and *only* in the > repository. There are no addresses anywhere except for that maemo > repository, which I haven't been successful in browsing. There has to > be some generic Linux way of grabbing the file, given the info in the > .install file, but I haven't been able to find it yet. The following is for informational purposes only. You should never ever download debs directly -- either install them with the application installer, or use sudo apt-get install from a terminal. Installing debs directly is the "use a bigger hammer" approach to replacing a light bulb -- if you screw up, it's your own fault. There are two repository layouts. Suppose you have deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free in the .install file. Start browsing at http://repostitory.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/ (or non-free) Note the extra 'dists/' URL component. Then look inside binary-armel. You'll find a 'Packages' file that mentions all installable packages and their locations. Sometimes the packages live there, and sometimes they live in a pool. The package URLs are relative to the initial URL, so in this particular instance, when Packages says Filename: pool/bora/free/p/pybluez/python2.5-bluez_0.9.1-1osso2_i386.deb you'd have to go to http://repostitory.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/pybluez/python2.5-bluez_0.9.1-1osso2_i386.deb to get the deb. The other repository format is simpler: deb http://aeracode.org/maemo/2006 ./ Just go to http://aeracode.org/maemo/2006 and you'll find the Packages file (and most likely the debs) there. If it had said deb http://aeracode.org/maemo/2006 subdir/ you'd have to look in http://aeracode.org/maemo/2006/subdir. Marius Gedminas -- Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. "No" is the answer. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, Marius, after you rebooted, how does the touch screen operate? Better, > worse, same? > Thanks, > > > Nick. > For me, the recalibration seems to take effect immediately (reboot not necessary, and in fact makes no difference), but I can't get the touch screen to work any better. I used to know how to trick the calibration utility into greater accuracy on my Handspring Visor Deluxe by deliberately missing the targets in very specific ways, but that doesn't seem to work on the N800/OS2008. It seems that the calibration utility in OS2008 isn't in sync with the rest of the OS. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark, > > What I have done in the past is go to application manager, identify the web > site (through the catalog) that actually hosts the files for the particular > application I'm interested in, go there and get the files. For some, I have > e-mails with links to where they are (I've also stored some as favorites). > > > Nick. If it's in the application manager, you can install it from there. My problem is that what I want to install isn't in the catalog for OS2008, but it is hosted in the maemo repository - and *only* in the repository. There are no addresses anywhere except for that maemo repository, which I haven't been successful in browsing. There has to be some generic Linux way of grabbing the file, given the info in the .install file, but I haven't been able to find it yet. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
So, Marius, after you rebooted, how does the touch screen operate? Better, worse, same? Thanks, Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marius Gedminas Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 13:03 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:38:47PM -0600, Mark wrote: > Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my > N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried > calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. At one point I thought my N800 was hopelessly broken, but then I discovered that touchscreen calibration didn't actually have any effect until the next reboot. Bug or just bad UI? Marius Gedminas -- Only great masters of style can succeed in being obtuse. -- Oscar Wilde Most UNIX programmers are great masters of style. -- The Unnamed Usenetter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
Mark, What I have done in the past is go to application manager, identify the web site (through the catalog) that actually hosts the files for the particular application I'm interested in, go there and get the files. For some, I have e-mails with links to where they are (I've also stored some as favorites). Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:39 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Tony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is the > install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. That > checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of apps can > be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. > Unfortunately, the .deb files can be very difficult to track down. I realize that they're trying to protect novices from themselves, but it sure isn't very user-friendly. Can you explain how to extract a .deb file from the repository? I've tried every trick I can think of, and some apps simply don't give any access to the .deb file. Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. I'm constantly frustrated with getting spaces instead of bottom-row keys when using the stylus with the on-screen keyboard. Clicking on links on Web pages can be challenging as well. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:38:47PM -0600, Mark wrote: > Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my > N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried > calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. At one point I thought my N800 was hopelessly broken, but then I discovered that touchscreen calibration didn't actually have any effect until the next reboot. Bug or just bad UI? Marius Gedminas -- Only great masters of style can succeed in being obtuse. -- Oscar Wilde Most UNIX programmers are great masters of style. -- The Unnamed Usenetter signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tuesday 15 Apr 2008, Mark wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Tony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is > > the install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. > > That checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of > > apps can be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. > > Unfortunately, the .deb files can be very difficult to track down. I > realize that they're trying to protect novices from themselves, but it > sure isn't very user-friendly. Can you explain how to extract a .deb > file from the repository? I've tried every trick I can think of, and > some apps simply don't give any access to the .deb file. If you're lucky, it might be available from the Mamo Garage (http://garage.maemo.org) - at least if developers are hosting the files there like I am with my ports. Failing that, you should be able to track the file down, albeit with a bit of fiddling about, by looking in the install file. If you point a browser at the value given in the line starting "uri" there's a chance you'll find a small number of directories under that location. Hunt through those and you should find the file. There's probably an easy way to predict where to go, but I don't understand the structure enough to say what it is. > > Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my > N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried > calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. I'm constantly > frustrated with getting spaces instead of bottom-row keys when using > the stylus with the on-screen keyboard. Clicking on links on Web pages > can be challenging as well. Another problem I've found with it is that there are a lot of repeated characters. Annoyingly, it seems most keen on them in password fields where they're instantly replaced by stars, so you can't see whether or not it's happened. -- Tony Green Ipswich, Suffolk, England http://www.beermad.org.uk http://no2id-ip.web-brewer.co.uk ** This message is digitally signed. If your email client is unable to read digital signatures, you may see an attachment that you cannot open. See http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html for more information. You can validate my PGP key from my website: http://www.beermad.org.uk/ * No Micro$oft products were used in the generation of this communication ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Tony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is the > install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. That > checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of apps can > be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. > Unfortunately, the .deb files can be very difficult to track down. I realize that they're trying to protect novices from themselves, but it sure isn't very user-friendly. Can you explain how to extract a .deb file from the repository? I've tried every trick I can think of, and some apps simply don't give any access to the .deb file. Regarding the touch screen: I have the newest version of OS2008 on my N800, and there definitely are issues with the accuracy. I've tried calibrating many times, but it doesn't seem to help. I'm constantly frustrated with getting spaces instead of bottom-row keys when using the stylus with the on-screen keyboard. Clicking on links on Web pages can be challenging as well. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
Thanks, Tony, and to everyone else. Because I rely so heavily on my N800 for day-to-day operations, I'm very hesitant about doing anything that will impact that. I have no problem with re-installing the software (although I don't want to) but wanted to make sure the tools I use are there. My plan now is to get the software that will run, based upon everyone's comments, and put them on my SD card (I have many but some are on my hard disk or on the 'net). Then block time aside for the operation. I will restore my bookmarks but not my settings as recommended by Kevin Neely. Mark, thanks for the info on GPE. I also don't use the file manager but loaded it just because I could and never removed it. Now I won't install it. :-) Frantisek, your comment regarding Diablo, I may just wait and see how that shakes out before upgrading. And I do use my touch screen (when my Bluetooth keyboard isn't handy) often to take notes in meetings. So if that is still a problem I may have to make sure I have my keyboard with me whenever I travel. Again, to all - thanks! As always, this is a great forum with great help! Regards, Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Green Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 03:59 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions On Monday 14 Apr 2008, Mark wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And, lastly, for the applications that require no changes, e.g. no new > > binaries, will they show up after I upgrade or do I have to re-install > > them? > > You'll have to reinstall them. When upgrading within a major release > (e.g. from 2.2007.50-2 to 2.2007.51-3) you can use the backup function > to backup and then reinstall everything. However, when upgrading from > one major release to another (e.g. OS2007 to OS2008), you'll probably > have to reinstall everything manually, and not every app has been > migrated to OS2008. The application manager won't allow you to install > 2007 apps on a 2008 OS. The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is the install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. That checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of apps can be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. It took me a while to get round to putting MySQL and Apache on the repository because I'd just installed from my own builds and hadn't noticed that I needed a new install file. -- Tony Green Ipswich, Suffolk, England http://www.beermad.org.uk http://no2id-ip.web-brewer.co.uk ** This message is digitally signed. If your email client is unable to read digital signatures, you may see an attachment that you cannot open. See http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html for more information. You can validate my PGP key from my website: http://www.beermad.org.uk/ * No Micro$oft products were used in the generation of this communication ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Monday 14 Apr 2008, Mark wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And, lastly, for the applications that require no changes, e.g. no new > > binaries, will they show up after I upgrade or do I have to re-install > > them? > > You'll have to reinstall them. When upgrading within a major release > (e.g. from 2.2007.50-2 to 2.2007.51-3) you can use the backup function > to backup and then reinstall everything. However, when upgrading from > one major release to another (e.g. OS2007 to OS2008), you'll probably > have to reinstall everything manually, and not every app has been > migrated to OS2008. The application manager won't allow you to install > 2007 apps on a 2008 OS. The main problem with apps that haven't been "released" for OS2008 is the install file you get when you click on the icon on the Maemo site. That checks the OS version and chokes if it's wrong. You'll find a lot of apps can be installed by going straight to the .deb file instead. It took me a while to get round to putting MySQL and Apache on the repository because I'd just installed from my own builds and hadn't noticed that I needed a new install file. -- Tony Green Ipswich, Suffolk, England http://www.beermad.org.uk http://no2id-ip.web-brewer.co.uk ** This message is digitally signed. If your email client is unable to read digital signatures, you may see an attachment that you cannot open. See http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html for more information. You can validate my PGP key from my website: http://www.beermad.org.uk/ * No Micro$oft products were used in the generation of this communication ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: > So, before I take the plunge and upgrade, I thought I’d put a > list out and try to identify if the existing applications are compatible > with 2008 There are also other things to consider. At least for me the touchscreen worked much worse in OS2008. Last OS2007 firmwares improved N800 touchscreen responsiveness a lot and upgrade to OS2008 was step back to those early days of OS2007 for me. Also next version of OS2008 named Diablo is announced to be released in Q2 with N810 WiMAX edition so it is relatively near. There are many good things in curent OS2008 but there are also bad ones. I hope Diablo will fix some of those things and bring us updated and faster Microb engine with speed similar to Opera in OS2007 :-) Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
> > And, lastly, for the applications that require no changes, e.g. no new > > binaries, will they show up after I upgrade or do I have to re-install them? > > > > You'll have to reinstall them. When upgrading within a major release > (e.g. from 2.2007.50-2 to 2.2007.51-3) you can use the backup function > to backup and then reinstall everything. However, when upgrading from > one major release to another (e.g. OS2007 to OS2008), you'll probably I was able to restore my bookmarks from an OS2007HE running on a 770 to a OS2008 running on an n800. I didn't really have anything else I wanted to restore, but the bookmark restore worked perfectly. I have heard about problems when trying to restore settings, however. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All, > > My apologies as I have not kept up with all the discussions on the forum in > a while. Part of it was due to a severe motorcycle accident. What I have > been doing is going into maemo.org and monitoring the applications that are > there to see if the applications I use regularly are available for 2008. > So, before I take the plunge and upgrade, I thought I'd put a list out and > try to identify if the existing applications are compatible with 2008, if > they're just not listed in the catalog, or if they are just not compatible > and I have to find something else or stay with 2007. Here's the list (it's > short): > > > > · GPE Calendar, GPE Todo, GPE Contacts (most important as I use > these every day) GPE apps work, except for the file manager, which crashes. > > · X11VNC (used for displaying my N800 onto my desktop) > > · Xterm (critical as I have my backup scripts that are run from > here) OSSO Xterm works > > · Gnumeric (I have a lot of workarounds in gnumeric so this is also > very important) > Gnumeric works > · Simple launcher > > · Gainroot > > · Maemo Krypt (least important) > > > And, lastly, for the applications that require no changes, e.g. no new > binaries, will they show up after I upgrade or do I have to re-install them? > You'll have to reinstall them. When upgrading within a major release (e.g. from 2.2007.50-2 to 2.2007.51-3) you can use the backup function to backup and then reinstall everything. However, when upgrading from one major release to another (e.g. OS2007 to OS2008), you'll probably have to reinstall everything manually, and not every app has been migrated to OS2008. The application manager won't allow you to install 2007 apps on a 2008 OS. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
Terminal is installed by default. I have GPE cal, etc. running fine on my OS2008. Also got Ermining to work, and it is syncing my calendar w/ gCal like a charm. gainroot works. Installed it on a friend's device I upgraded for her. For me, I just install openssh and login as root. cheers and hope all si well after your accident, K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
