Re: damaged power connecter
Mark Haury wrote: Matt Emson wrote: Fernando Cassia wrote: Which shows newer is not always better... anyone remembers the good old PalmPilot cradles? Not only were those rock-solid, but also it was impossible to break any connectors by pulling hard or by tripping on wires it'd just unplug itself without any damage. Um... showing my age here, but I almost killed myself by tripping over a Palm Pilot Pro serial cable... it broke. The serial cables were designed to be screwed in to the serial port. In the fight between my foot and the cable, the serial connector sheared off. Luckily, the device flew out of the cradle and landed on the carpet face up, else that would have been toast too. The serial cradles also didn't charge the device, though the Palm Pilot Pro use 2 x AAA batteries, so it wasn't hard to keep it running :-) Them was the days!! M I think you're missing the point. The *PC* end is a different story. The *Palm* end doesn't screw in to anything in the handheld. Well, no. Clearly, they are not indestructible. I've also seen the other end come out... it was only held in by a zip-tie, at least on the Palm Pilot Pro model. I have a Handspring Visor Deluxe that I still use. In fact, I'm only now (after more than a year of IT ownership) getting my contacts straightened out in my N800 so I can stop carrying the Visor with me. (And even then I'm going to have issues with exporting the data elsewhere.) I had one of those! A blue one. Nice bit of kit at the time, crippled by the odd version of PalmOS they used. Not quite 3.0, but also not 3.3. The Visor cradle doesn't have anything that connects to the Visor in such a way that anything can break in the handheld. The plain cable is different, but even that will break the catches on the cable rather than anything on the device. I'm trying to remember it there was any damage to the visor cradle that I owned... I think the usual wear on the wire coating... The cradle was sturdier than the Palm ones I had. I think it was possible to damage the connector with downward force - if you sat on the device in the cradle for example. The point is that cables are relatively cheap and *extremely* easy to replace. A PC component and a closed consumer device is hardly an analogue. Even the serial port connector on your PC can be replaced a lot easier than the power jack in your IT. All connector cables for portable and handheld devices should be designed with that as a top priority. Nokia have been using that exact connector on their phones for a long time. My wife recently got a Nokia slider phone (5600? something like that) and the PSU has a different part number, but otherwise looks identical to my N800 one. Still, with the GSM consortium announcing common Euro plugs by 2012 (or so), we'll all be happy I guess. M ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Matt Emson mem...@interalpha.co.uk wrote: Um... showing my age here, but I almost killed myself by tripping over a Palm Pilot Pro serial cable... it broke. The serial cables were designed to be screwed in to the serial port. In the fight between my foot and the cable, the serial connector sheared off. Luckily, the device flew out of the cradle and landed on the carpet face up, else that would have been toast too. The serial cradles also didn't charge the device, though the Palm Pilot Pro use 2 x AAA batteries, so it wasn't hard to keep it running :-) Them was the days!! M Sorry I was thinking on the connection between the PDA and the cradle, not the cradle and the computer. And by the way, I was thinking about the Palm V... which DID charge it. My point was that it's possible to design a connector that makes a good contact, enough to charge a battery powered device, but which doesn't actually require to be inserted deep and tight. Better case in point: cordless phones... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
Mark Haury wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that cables are relatively cheap and *extremely* easy to replace. Even the serial port connector on your PC can be replaced a lot easier than the power jack in your IT. All connector cables for portable and handheld devices should be designed with that as a top priority. Yes! Cables are cheap. I have a car charger and line charger at work that cost less than $3 each at a discount drug store. If the charger were damaged it wouldn't be a problem. In my original post, I avoided ranting about the crappy little connector on the Tablet. Even the OEM charger doesn't even plug fully into the connector on the Tablet. It leaves a long cantilever sticking out. It was loose from the start and is very easily damaged. Once damaged, it is difficult to charge the Tablet. I'm still looking for a way to fix it. Mark Thanks, -Mike Mike Shermanmike.sher...@earthlink.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 04:42:16PM -0800, lakestevensdental wrote: FYI, there is an untapped/lost charging option, at least for the n800. Under OS2007 you could charge your n800 with the USB connection. [citation needed] Marius Gedminas -- Learning Perl is actually a very well-written book for beginning programmers. The only thing wrong with it is it's about Perl... -- Paul Rubin signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 04:42:16PM -0800, lakestevensdental wrote: FYI, there is an untapped/lost charging option, at least for the n800. Under OS2007 you could charge your n800 with the USB connection. [citation needed] Let's make this even clearer. ;) No, no such option ever existed. The USB port is not wired up to charge the battery, so please don't spread lies. Thank you. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:01 PM, hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: First I'd suspect the charger itself, it's power cable is quite thin and can break. Have you tried another charger? I've seen quite a few complaints about power cable damage on this forum over the years. -- hendrik Which shows newer is not always better... anyone remembers the good old PalmPilot cradles? Not only were those rock-solid, but also it was impossible to break any connectors by pulling hard or by tripping on wires it'd just unplug itself without any damage. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
Fernando Cassia wrote: Which shows newer is not always better... anyone remembers the good old PalmPilot cradles? Not only were those rock-solid, but also it was impossible to break any connectors by pulling hard or by tripping on wires it'd just unplug itself without any damage. Um... showing my age here, but I almost killed myself by tripping over a Palm Pilot Pro serial cable... it broke. The serial cables were designed to be screwed in to the serial port. In the fight between my foot and the cable, the serial connector sheared off. Luckily, the device flew out of the cradle and landed on the carpet face up, else that would have been toast too. The serial cradles also didn't charge the device, though the Palm Pilot Pro use 2 x AAA batteries, so it wasn't hard to keep it running :-) Them was the days!! M ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 04:55:00PM +, Matt Emson wrote: Fernando Cassia wrote: Which shows newer is not always better... anyone remembers the good old PalmPilot cradles? Not only were those rock-solid, but also it was impossible to break any connectors by pulling hard or by tripping on wires it'd just unplug itself without any damage. Um... showing my age here, but I almost killed myself by tripping over a Palm Pilot Pro serial cable... it broke. The serial cables were designed to be screwed in to the serial port. In the fight between my foot and the cable, the serial connector sheared off. Luckily, the device flew out of the cradle and landed on the carpet face up, else that would have been toast too. The serial cradles also didn't charge the device, though the Palm Pilot Pro use 2 x AAA batteries, so it wasn't hard to keep it running :-) Them was the days!! AAA batteries. You can take them out, put them in, easily buy them in most areas of the world, stop worrying about power-line compatibility, and if you happen to be at home, recharge them. A lost art in modern technology. My alphasmart keyboard with internal word-proccessor runs for nine months on one set of three AA batteries. They sell a recharger that you install in the Alphasmart for use with rechargeable batteries, but why bother? -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
Matt Emson wrote: Fernando Cassia wrote: Which shows newer is not always better... anyone remembers the good old PalmPilot cradles? Not only were those rock-solid, but also it was impossible to break any connectors by pulling hard or by tripping on wires it'd just unplug itself without any damage. Um... showing my age here, but I almost killed myself by tripping over a Palm Pilot Pro serial cable... it broke. The serial cables were designed to be screwed in to the serial port. In the fight between my foot and the cable, the serial connector sheared off. Luckily, the device flew out of the cradle and landed on the carpet face up, else that would have been toast too. The serial cradles also didn't charge the device, though the Palm Pilot Pro use 2 x AAA batteries, so it wasn't hard to keep it running :-) Them was the days!! M I think you're missing the point. The *PC* end is a different story. The *Palm* end doesn't screw in to anything in the handheld. I have a Handspring Visor Deluxe that I still use. In fact, I'm only now (after more than a year of IT ownership) getting my contacts straightened out in my N800 so I can stop carrying the Visor with me. (And even then I'm going to have issues with exporting the data elsewhere.) The Visor cradle doesn't have anything that connects to the Visor in such a way that anything can break in the handheld. The plain cable is different, but even that will break the catches on the cable rather than anything on the device. The point is that cables are relatively cheap and *extremely* easy to replace. Even the serial port connector on your PC can be replaced a lot easier than the power jack in your IT. All connector cables for portable and handheld devices should be designed with that as a top priority. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
Denis Dimick wrote: The Power plug is the same one Nokia uses for a number of their cell phones (5300 for example), however, I to have had a number of issues with the power plug, and have bought a number of after-market plugs and still am unhappy. Anyone come up with a good after market source for AC adapters? Deal Extreme has all sorts of stuff, including various Nokia after market chargers for $5 or less. http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.nokia%20charger ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
Hi, ext Mike Sherman wrote: The other day I tried to push my N810 out of the car mount forgetting that I had plugged the charger in. After that stress on the power jack the N810 won' t charge unless you apply a downward force on the power cable. The jack in the N810 seems to be damaged. First I'd suspect the charger itself, it's power cable is quite thin and can break. Have you tried another charger? Any suggestions? Has anyone gone inside one of these? I've repaired and replaced parts in Palms, but the N seems several levels beyond. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, ext Mike Sherman wrote: The other day I tried to push my N810 out of the car mount forgetting that I had plugged the charger in. After that stress on the power jack the N810 won' t charge unless you apply a downward force on the power cable. The jack in the N810 seems to be damaged. First I'd suspect the charger itself, it's power cable is quite thin and can break. Have you tried another charger? - Eero Any suggestions? Has anyone gone inside one of these? I've repaired and replaced parts in Palms, but the N seems several levels beyond. This is a timely subject for me as well. The other day I knocked my N800 off my desk while it was plugged into a USB charging cable. It hit the end of the cable before it hit the floor (which helped prevent other damage), but it bent the plug on the cable. I straightened the plug and it worked for a few days, but now the tablet will not work with anything but the original AC adapter (I have other non-Nokia-made power cables as well) and I'm afraid that it's only a matter of time until it stops working with that. One of the other adapters that doesn't work (adapts the the older larger barrel size to the new tiny one) is actually a genuine Nokia part. What possessed Nokia to use that teensy new plug size? (Besides the obvious - but temporary - increase in revenue from selling their own incredibly overpriced accessories...) The space savings inside the device is negligible, especially when compared to the significant reduction in mechanical strength and durability. Power input jacks are *always* subject to major stress as well as extreme wear, especially in devices that are this portable and used this much. Somebody should design a new power connector system that would limit any wear and damage to the cord and not allow any to the device's inner workings. (And all manufacturers should be required to use standard ones.) Apple's magnetic connector is a good example, but it's too large for pocketable devices and strong magnetic fields are *never* a good idea around electronic devices (or debit/credit or other cards with magnetic stripes). Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
The Power plug is the same one Nokia uses for a number of their cell phones (5300 for example), however, I to have had a number of issues with the power plug, and have bought a number of after-market plugs and still am unhappy. Anyone come up with a good after market source for AC adapters? Denis -- sik vis paw kem, para bellum -- oderint dum metuant -- Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race! -LT. GEN. LEWIS CHESTY PULLER, USMC On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, ext Mike Sherman wrote: The other day I tried to push my N810 out of the car mount forgetting that I had plugged the charger in. After that stress on the power jack the N810 won' t charge unless you apply a downward force on the power cable. The jack in the N810 seems to be damaged. First I'd suspect the charger itself, it's power cable is quite thin and can break. Have you tried another charger? - Eero Any suggestions? Has anyone gone inside one of these? I've repaired and replaced parts in Palms, but the N seems several levels beyond. This is a timely subject for me as well. The other day I knocked my N800 off my desk while it was plugged into a USB charging cable. It hit the end of the cable before it hit the floor (which helped prevent other damage), but it bent the plug on the cable. I straightened the plug and it worked for a few days, but now the tablet will not work with anything but the original AC adapter (I have other non-Nokia-made power cables as well) and I'm afraid that it's only a matter of time until it stops working with that. One of the other adapters that doesn't work (adapts the the older larger barrel size to the new tiny one) is actually a genuine Nokia part. What possessed Nokia to use that teensy new plug size? (Besides the obvious - but temporary - increase in revenue from selling their own incredibly overpriced accessories...) The space savings inside the device is negligible, especially when compared to the significant reduction in mechanical strength and durability. Power input jacks are *always* subject to major stress as well as extreme wear, especially in devices that are this portable and used this much. Somebody should design a new power connector system that would limit any wear and damage to the cord and not allow any to the device's inner workings. (And all manufacturers should be required to use standard ones.) Apple's magnetic connector is a good example, but it's too large for pocketable devices and strong magnetic fields are *never* a good idea around electronic devices (or debit/credit or other cards with magnetic stripes). Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, ext Mike Sherman wrote: The other day I tried to push my N810 out of the car mount forgetting that I had plugged the charger in. After that stress on the power jack the N810 won' t charge unless you apply a downward force on the power cable. The jack in the N810 seems to be damaged. First I'd suspect the charger itself, it's power cable is quite thin and can break. Have you tried another charger? Definitely not the charger. The charger pin is loose and wobbly in the connector with several chargers. snip - Eero Thanks, -Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
En/na Mike Sherman ha escrit: Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, ext Mike Sherman wrote: The other day I tried to push my N810 out of the car mount forgetting that I had plugged the charger in. After that stress on the power jack the N810 won' t charge unless you apply a downward force on the power cable. The jack in the N810 seems to be damaged. First I'd suspect the charger itself, it's power cable is quite thin and can break. Have you tried another charger? Definitely not the charger. The charger pin is loose and wobbly in the connector with several chargers. I don't know about the n810, but if it is similar to the n800 it should be very easy to replace, since it's not even soldered to the board. The problem is it's not easy to find. When I had a similar accident, with the same symptoms, I just pushed a (very) tiny amount of foam beneath the negative pole (the outer contact, the center one is positive) with a pin, so that it makes good contact with the plug. The bent plug lasted for a while, but it finally broke completely. Now I'm using an usb charger from dealextreme (it's just a piece of cable with the nokia 2mm connector on one end and an usb male on the other) plugged in the original charger (I cut the original, broken, plug and connected a female usb connector in its place). Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
For this solution you can buy the original Nokia USB charger. It's very expensive if you buy it from Nokia itself, but very cheap on eBay (where I found it). Aniello 2009/2/13 Luca Olivetti l...@ventoso.org: En/na Mike Sherman ha escrit: Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, ext Mike Sherman wrote: The other day I tried to push my N810 out of the car mount forgetting that I had plugged the charger in. After that stress on the power jack the N810 won' t charge unless you apply a downward force on the power cable. The jack in the N810 seems to be damaged. First I'd suspect the charger itself, it's power cable is quite thin and can break. Have you tried another charger? Definitely not the charger. The charger pin is loose and wobbly in the connector with several chargers. I don't know about the n810, but if it is similar to the n800 it should be very easy to replace, since it's not even soldered to the board. The problem is it's not easy to find. When I had a similar accident, with the same symptoms, I just pushed a (very) tiny amount of foam beneath the negative pole (the outer contact, the center one is positive) with a pin, so that it makes good contact with the plug. The bent plug lasted for a while, but it finally broke completely. Now I'm using an usb charger from dealextreme (it's just a piece of cable with the nokia 2mm connector on one end and an usb male on the other) plugged in the original charger (I cut the original, broken, plug and connected a female usb connector in its place). Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
En/na Aniello Del Sorbo ha escrit: For this solution you can buy the original Nokia USB charger. If you're buying it just for the plug, the original one is *not* good, since it has a step-up voltage converter.. It's very expensive if you buy it from Nokia itself, but very cheap on eBay (where I found it). ..however a fake one from ebay or dealextreme is just a piece of cable, so it's good for my solution [I leave part of the rest of the message as a reference, it's a little odd due to your top-posting] When I had a similar accident, with the same symptoms, I just pushed a (very) tiny amount of foam beneath the negative pole (the outer contact, the center one is positive) with a pin, so that it makes good contact with the plug. The bent plug lasted for a while, but it finally broke completely. Now I'm using an usb charger from dealextreme (it's just a piece of cable with the nokia 2mm connector on one end and an usb male on the other) plugged in the original charger (I cut the original, broken, plug and connected a female usb connector in its place). Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 06:04:18PM +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext Mike Sherman wrote: The other day I tried to push my N810 out of the car mount forgetting that I had plugged the charger in. After that stress on the power jack the N810 won' t charge unless you apply a downward force on the power cable. The jack in the N810 seems to be damaged. First I'd suspect the charger itself, it's power cable is quite thin and can break. Have you tried another charger? I've seen quite a few complaints about power cable damage on this forum over the years. -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
