Re: Windows Mobile Phone detected as a PDA - can't set as Phone
On 9/14/07, Acadia Secure Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ivan, > > your question led me to submit a query to Google which came up with the > an explanation available at the www page whose url is > > > http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/04/17/why-did-we-remove-bluetooth-dun.aspx > I am aware of this blog post. It was one of my first hits when I was googling for a solution to my problem a few days ago. *** snip *** > > Here is the text of the blog post where that decision is indicated > (highlighted in boldface type by me): > > > Actually, Microsoft did not remove Bluetooth DUN completely. We > > still ship this technology to our OEMs. It is included in an > > optional package that OEMs and operators can decide to ship on a > > per device basis. Internet Sharing is also in an optional > > package. We did change one thing though. Internet Sharing is > > included by default and Bluetooth DUN no longer is. > > This only makes me wonder how MS defines an "optional package" compared to an "included by default optional package". :-) > I suspect that Microsoft was also getting pressure from some carriers, > who do not want to have their mobile handsets being used as layer 1 > devices (modems). In my own case the CD that shipped from Verizon > Wireless with my Windows Mobile 5.0 Smartphone (an XV6700) does have the > wmodem.exe app on it. It so happens that the handset, as shipped to me > had the application installed but hidden. I am currently running with an > OS version that has the AKU2 feature set. > > > There may be a similar workaround for getting Bluetooth DUN to work on > your particular Windows Mobile 5 handset but to get you started here is > the url to a www page (one of many) that has an "how-to" thread on the > subject for the XV6700. > > http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=827559 > > > In case you have difficulty figuring out which AKU is running on your > handset, here is the url to an article at the msmobiles.com www site > that may be helpful: > > http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5857.html > > > And here is the url to an article that maps the AKU# to the OS version > number ranges for that particular AKU#. > > http://modernnomads.info/wiki/index.php?page=OS+Versions > Thank you for taking your time. I will investigate further, but as far as I can tell I do not have wmmodem.exe and the solutions I found were mostly about flashing the device with some hacked Windows Mobile 6 ROM, which I am not keen on doing. > Best Regards, > > John Holmblad > > Acadia Secure Networks > > Ivan N. Zlatev wrote: > > I own a Windows Mobile 5 Phone device (HTC Trinity) and a N800. My > > issue is that the device is detected as a PDA and not a Phone (via > > Bluetooth), so I am unable to set it as the phone in the control > > panel. Any ideas on how this can be resolved? Do I have to file a bug > > and how to get debug information? > > > > Also does someone have a clue how can I express a vote for the > > Bluetooth PAN support mentioned here > > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195. I seem not to have access > > to the actual proposal here - > > https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html. > > > > Regards. > > > > -- Ivan N. Zlatev Web: http://www.i-nZ.net "It's all some kind of whacked out conspiracy." ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Windows Mobile Phone detected as a PDA - can't set as Phone
Ivan, your question led me to submit a query to Google which came up with the an explanation available at the www page whose url is http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/04/17/why-did-we-remove-bluetooth-dun.aspx from a member of the Microsoft Windows Mobile team blog that explains why Microsoft removed Bluetooth DUN from the AKU3 version of Windows Mobile 5 . Note in the article that Microsoft DOES still ship the Bluetooth DUN to the OEM's and they CAN if they so choose make it available on the handset. Note also that, given the amount of negative feedback that Microsoft has gotten about the removal of Bluetooth DUN, that, they are going to put it back in in a future release of Windows Mobile 6. Here is the text of the blog post where that decision is indicated (highlighted in boldface type by me): > Actually, Microsoft did not remove Bluetooth DUN completely. We > still ship this technology to our OEMs. It is included in an > optional package that OEMs and operators can decide to ship on a > per device basis. Internet Sharing is also in an optional > package. We did change one thing though. Internet Sharing is > included by default and Bluetooth DUN no longer is. > > > > Bluetooth DUN is a legacy technology that is likely to disappear > over time. Especially when you look at the great experience > Internet Sharing provides with Bluetooth PAN. It also does not > make sense for cellular radios to continue supporting a legacy > interface just to enable Bluetooth DUN. In the past we received a > lot of criticism about Modem Link, especially related to > usability. For this reason we decided not to include it by default. > > > > *Anyway, based on continued feedback from the community, we have > changed our minds! We will bring Bluetooth DUN back by default in > a future WM6 AKU release.* Keep in mind that OEMs and operators > still have the final say whether DUN will end up on a specific device. I suspect that Microsoft was also getting pressure from some carriers, who do not want to have their mobile handsets being used as layer 1 devices (modems). In my own case the CD that shipped from Verizon Wireless with my Windows Mobile 5.0 Smartphone (an XV6700) does have the wmodem.exe app on it. It so happens that the handset, as shipped to me had the application installed but hidden. I am currently running with an OS version that has the AKU2 feature set. There may be a similar workaround for getting Bluetooth DUN to work on your particular Windows Mobile 5 handset but to get you started here is the url to a www page (one of many) that has an "how-to" thread on the subject for the XV6700. http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=827559 In case you have difficulty figuring out which AKU is running on your handset, here is the url to an article at the msmobiles.com www site that may be helpful: http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5857.html And here is the url to an article that maps the AKU# to the OS version number ranges for that particular AKU#. http://modernnomads.info/wiki/index.php?page=OS+Versions Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks Ivan N. Zlatev wrote: > I own a Windows Mobile 5 Phone device (HTC Trinity) and a N800. My > issue is that the device is detected as a PDA and not a Phone (via > Bluetooth), so I am unable to set it as the phone in the control > panel. Any ideas on how this can be resolved? Do I have to file a bug > and how to get debug information? > > Also does someone have a clue how can I express a vote for the > Bluetooth PAN support mentioned here > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195. I seem not to have access > to the actual proposal here - > https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html. > > Regards. > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Windows Mobile Phone detected as a PDA - can't set as Phone
How would I go about automating the connection process? I don't want to have to ssh to localhost and type commands in xterm each time I want to connect through my phone? On 9/14/07, Ivan N. Zlatev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/14/07, Martin Grimme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Windows Mobile 5 does not support DUN for Bluetooth, so you can't set it as > > a phone. > > Here's how you make a BT connection via PAN: > > > > - enable PAN on your phone > > - enable Bluetooth on your N800 > > - setup an AdHoc WLAN connection on your N800 > > - become root on the N800 > > - $ ifconfig wlan0 down # adhoc-WLAN drains battery, so switch WLAN > > off > > - $ pand -Q10 -n > > - $ udhcp -i bnep0 > > - enjoy using your phone as a BT modem for your N800! > > > > > > Great, thanks! I used the http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dummyiap/ > trick mentioned by Frantisek. Still looking forward to a proper > solution to the issue in the feature. Thanks again. > > > 2007/9/14, Jussi Kukkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >: > > > > > > Ivan N. Zlatev wrote: > > > > Also does someone have a clue how can I express a vote for the > > > > Bluetooth PAN support mentioned here > > > > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195 . > > > > > > Login to bugzilla (register if needed), click "Vote for this bug". That > > > should work. > > > > > > > I seem not to have access to the actual proposal here - > > > > > > https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html. > > > > > > Try simple http if you do not want to login: > > > > > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html > > > > > > -jussi > > > ___ > > > maemo-users mailing list > > > maemo-users@maemo.org > > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > > > > > > > > ___ > > maemo-users mailing list > > maemo-users@maemo.org > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > > > > > > -- > Ivan N. Zlatev > > Web: http://www.i-nZ.net > "It's all some kind of whacked out conspiracy." > -- Ivan N. Zlatev Web: http://www.i-nZ.net "It's all some kind of whacked out conspiracy." ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Windows Mobile Phone detected as a PDA - can't set as Phone
On 9/14/07, Martin Grimme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Windows Mobile 5 does not support DUN for Bluetooth, so you can't set it as > a phone. > Here's how you make a BT connection via PAN: > > - enable PAN on your phone > - enable Bluetooth on your N800 > - setup an AdHoc WLAN connection on your N800 > - become root on the N800 > - $ ifconfig wlan0 down # adhoc-WLAN drains battery, so switch WLAN > off > - $ pand -Q10 -n > - $ udhcp -i bnep0 > - enjoy using your phone as a BT modem for your N800! > > Great, thanks! I used the http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dummyiap/ trick mentioned by Frantisek. Still looking forward to a proper solution to the issue in the feature. Thanks again. > 2007/9/14, Jussi Kukkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >: > > > > Ivan N. Zlatev wrote: > > > Also does someone have a clue how can I express a vote for the > > > Bluetooth PAN support mentioned here > > > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195 . > > > > Login to bugzilla (register if needed), click "Vote for this bug". That > > should work. > > > > > I seem not to have access to the actual proposal here - > > > > https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html. > > > > Try simple http if you do not want to login: > > > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html > > > > -jussi > > ___ > > maemo-users mailing list > > maemo-users@maemo.org > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > > > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > -- Ivan N. Zlatev Web: http://www.i-nZ.net "It's all some kind of whacked out conspiracy." ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Windows Mobile Phone detected as a PDA - can't set as Phone
On 9/14/07, Jussi Kukkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ivan N. Zlatev wrote: > > Also does someone have a clue how can I express a vote for the > > Bluetooth PAN support mentioned here > > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195. > > Login to bugzilla (register if needed), click "Vote for this bug". That > should work. The thing is that the bug is RESOLVED as WONTFIX. :| > > I seem not to have access to the actual proposal here - > > https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html. > > Try simple http if you do not want to login: > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html Noticed the httpS right after I mailed to the list :-). -- Ivan N. Zlatev Web: http://www.i-nZ.net "It's all some kind of whacked out conspiracy." ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
DUMMY IAP Re: Windows Mobile Phone detected as a PDA - can't set as Phone
Martin Grimme wrote: > - setup an AdHoc WLAN connection on your N800 > - become root on the N800 > - $ ifconfig wlan0 down # adhoc-WLAN drains battery, so switch > WLAN off DUMMY IAP seems to work again in latest N800 firmware. So far tried just once and it worked for me. http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dummyiap/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Windows Mobile Phone detected as a PDA - can't set as Phone
Hi, Windows Mobile 5 does not support DUN for Bluetooth, so you can't set it as a phone. Here's how you make a BT connection via PAN: - enable PAN on your phone - enable Bluetooth on your N800 - setup an AdHoc WLAN connection on your N800 - become root on the N800 - $ ifconfig wlan0 down # adhoc-WLAN drains battery, so switch WLAN off - $ pand -Q10 -n - $ udhcp -i bnep0 - enjoy using your phone as a BT modem for your N800! Cheers, Martin 2007/9/14, Jussi Kukkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Ivan N. Zlatev wrote: > > Also does someone have a clue how can I express a vote for the > > Bluetooth PAN support mentioned here > > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195 . > > Login to bugzilla (register if needed), click "Vote for this bug". That > should work. > > > I seem not to have access to the actual proposal here - > > https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html. > > Try simple http if you do not want to login: > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html > > -jussi > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Windows Mobile Phone detected as a PDA - can't set as Phone
Ivan N. Zlatev wrote: > Also does someone have a clue how can I express a vote for the > Bluetooth PAN support mentioned here > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195. Login to bugzilla (register if needed), click "Vote for this bug". That should work. > I seem not to have access to the actual proposal here - > https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html. Try simple http if you do not want to login: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html -jussi ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Windows Mobile Phone detected as a PDA - can't set as Phone
I own a Windows Mobile 5 Phone device (HTC Trinity) and a N800. My issue is that the device is detected as a PDA and not a Phone (via Bluetooth), so I am unable to set it as the phone in the control panel. Any ideas on how this can be resolved? Do I have to file a bug and how to get debug information? Also does someone have a clue how can I express a vote for the Bluetooth PAN support mentioned here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195. I seem not to have access to the actual proposal here - https://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetooth_pan_proposal.html. Regards. -- Ivan N. Zlatev Web: http://www.i-nZ.net "It's all some kind of whacked out conspiracy." ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
