Re: need a community board?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: > Boards serve some purposes pretty nicely I must admit. Namely the "to > follow XYZ, go to site XYZ, no matter what device you have, as long as > it has a browser". Yep. That's a nice feature. Now if forums would not waste a lot of my time by making me visit the site, wait for it to be rendered, click on a message and wait for the thread to be displayed, etc etc I might use them. Even with the fast connections available these days visiting a single forum simply takes too much time. And time is a valuable commodity. I prefer 'wasting' it on a good book... Best regards, Jac --- Jac KersingTechnical Consultant The-Box Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] CISSP RHCEhttp://www.the-box.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
En/na Paul Dundas ha escrit: > But what about a mail to nntp gateway? Usenet (remember news, anyone) > is a good server-based system with client caching for fast access. > And dialup users can pick the threads they want to download. Never heard of gmane.org? http://gmane.org/about.php http://news.gmane.org/search.php?match=maemo Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
Peter Flynn wrote: > Berhan SOYLU wrote: >> I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly >> 20 mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is there >> anyone who knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or >> something like etc...? > > I can only speak for myself but the last thing on earth I want is a > web-based message-board. I want the messages to come to me, not me have > to go to the messages. The forms-based mechanism for replies is horribly > clumsy on all the ones I have used, and the repositories don't thread > properly, and people fill up their messages with all kinds of fancy HTML > formatting. > > 20 mails a day is nothing. I can filter them, killfile a thread if > needed, and keep the ones I want for reference -- on *my* disk, so I can > refer to them whenever, rather than relying on someone else's server. > > No problem in having it both ways, with the list replicated to a BB > front-end like LISTSERV, with a proper searchable archive and a form for > posting. But please let's not drop the email mechanism: it's too valuable. > I too prefer the mail interface to any web forum or board I've seen. The disadvantage of email is if you come late to a discussion - and that could be addressed by a good searchable, threaded archive. But what about a mail to nntp gateway? Usenet (remember news, anyone) is a good server-based system with client caching for fast access. And dialup users can pick the threads they want to download. Just a thought. Also, if you're using mail to keep track of busy lists, a good client is important. Any suggestions? -- Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 17:53 +0300, ext Berhan SOYLU wrote: > I think we need a community message board. There will be a web interface similar to a message board to operate with maemo-users and maemo-developers. People preferring email will be able to continue using email. People preferring web based threads will be able to use them as well. Same content delivered at the same time, same possibility to post and reply. We have an experimental version running internally, it still needs more testing and bugfixing. There are other maemo.org priorities that go first, I'm hoping to reflect all this in the maemo roadmap... today? -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 18:34 +, ext Steve Greenland wrote: > More seriously: if you think that email is primitive and the various > forum systems are superior, you simply haven't been introduced to the > right tools, tools that have been developed for years specifically to > handle large volumes of list mail. Or we can just face it: we're getting old and then new generation is enjoying different ways. :-) Boards serve some purposes pretty nicely I must admit. Namely the "to follow XYZ, go to site XYZ, no matter what device you have, as long as it has a browser". //T ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
On Monday 29 October 2007 07:53:54 Berhan SOYLU wrote: > I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly 20 > mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is there anyone who > knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or something like > etc...? The volume here IMHO is low. I just miss threading. Advantage mail lists is offline access IMHO. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
Mailing list rulez ! Specially for on board reading on an maemo device. I can't read forum or bbs offline with my n800, it's why i think a mailing list is better to use. Specially on with an imap account. -- Benoît HERVIER http://khertan.net/ Steve Greenland a écrit : > According to Berhan SOYLU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly 20 >> mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is there anyone who >> knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or something like >> etc...? >> > > If you really would prefer a slow mouse-driven interface with no > automation to a fast keyboard-driven text interface with filtering, > scoring, and killfiles, there's always gmane.org: > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.user > > You can even have a blog interface without threading: > > http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.user > > More seriously: if you think that email is primitive and the various > forum systems are superior, you simply haven't been introduced to the > right tools, tools that have been developed for years specifically to > handle large volumes of list mail. > > Tool number one is a proper threading mail-reader such as mutt, along > with any of the various mail processors to sort list mail into various > folders, rather than piling up in the inbox. > > Tool number two is a newsreader (NNTP, NOT RSS) such as trn (my > preference, but pretty much dead) or slrn (still developed, better > for people who don't have the trn keystrokes burned into their brains > from 20 years of use) or pan (GUI, but with decent keyboard controls > and excellent filtering capabilities) pointed at news.gmane.org, which > allows you to read pretty much any popular mailling list with all the > features designed to allow people to deal with literally thousands of > posts per day. > > > Regards, > Steve > > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
According to Berhan SOYLU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly 20 > mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is there anyone who > knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or something like > etc...? If you really would prefer a slow mouse-driven interface with no automation to a fast keyboard-driven text interface with filtering, scoring, and killfiles, there's always gmane.org: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.user You can even have a blog interface without threading: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.user More seriously: if you think that email is primitive and the various forum systems are superior, you simply haven't been introduced to the right tools, tools that have been developed for years specifically to handle large volumes of list mail. Tool number one is a proper threading mail-reader such as mutt, along with any of the various mail processors to sort list mail into various folders, rather than piling up in the inbox. Tool number two is a newsreader (NNTP, NOT RSS) such as trn (my preference, but pretty much dead) or slrn (still developed, better for people who don't have the trn keystrokes burned into their brains from 20 years of use) or pan (GUI, but with decent keyboard controls and excellent filtering capabilities) pointed at news.gmane.org, which allows you to read pretty much any popular mailling list with all the features designed to allow people to deal with literally thousands of posts per day. Regards, Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
En/na Peter Flynn ha escrit: > I can only speak for myself but the last thing on earth I want is a > web-based message-board. I want the messages to come to me, not me have > to go to the messages. The forms-based mechanism for replies is horribly > clumsy on all the ones I have used, and the repositories don't thread > properly, and people fill up their messages with all kinds of fancy HTML > formatting. I couldn't have said that better. Wait, I can, in just 3 words: message boards suck ;-) (side note: internettablettalk is a *very* good resource, pity it's a message board, and browsing it from the tablet is slower than reading a mailing list with claws) Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
Hi! I very much agree - that is: both ways. I love web based forums for searching and following threads, and for not cluttering my mailbox when travelling. But also to be able to have what I want as emails when I want to. Or even (is this heresy?) as RSS, a function I like a lot. Magnus Larsson Peter Flynn skrev: > Berhan SOYLU wrote: >> I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly >> 20 mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is there >> anyone who knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or >> something like etc...? > > I can only speak for myself but the last thing on earth I want is a > web-based message-board. I want the messages to come to me, not me have > to go to the messages. The forms-based mechanism for replies is horribly > clumsy on all the ones I have used, and the repositories don't thread > properly, and people fill up their messages with all kinds of fancy HTML > formatting. > > 20 mails a day is nothing. I can filter them, killfile a thread if > needed, and keep the ones I want for reference -- on *my* disk, so I can > refer to them whenever, rather than relying on someone else's server. > > No problem in having it both ways, with the list replicated to a BB > front-end like LISTSERV, with a proper searchable archive and a form for > posting. But please let's not drop the email mechanism: it's too valuable. > > YMMV :-) > ///Peter > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Aw: Re: need a community board?
dito br Mathias - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: Peter Flynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: maemo-users Gesendet: Mo., 29. Okt. 2007 17:45:49 CET Betreff: Re: need a community board? Berhan SOYLU wrote: > I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly > 20 mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is there > anyone who knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or > something like etc...? I can only speak for myself but the last thing on earth I want is a web-based message-board. I want the messages to come to me, not me have to go to the messages. The forms-based mechanism for replies is horribly clumsy on all the ones I have used, and the repositories don't thread properly, and people fill up their messages with all kinds of fancy HTML formatting. 20 mails a day is nothing. I can filter them, killfile a thread if needed, and keep the ones I want for reference -- on *my* disk, so I can refer to them whenever, rather than relying on someone else's server. No problem in having it both ways, with the list replicated to a BB front-end like LISTSERV, with a proper searchable archive and a form for posting. But please let's not drop the email mechanism: it's too valuable. YMMV :-) ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
Berhan SOYLU wrote: > I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly > 20 mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is there > anyone who knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or > something like etc...? I can only speak for myself but the last thing on earth I want is a web-based message-board. I want the messages to come to me, not me have to go to the messages. The forms-based mechanism for replies is horribly clumsy on all the ones I have used, and the repositories don't thread properly, and people fill up their messages with all kinds of fancy HTML formatting. 20 mails a day is nothing. I can filter them, killfile a thread if needed, and keep the ones I want for reference -- on *my* disk, so I can refer to them whenever, rather than relying on someone else's server. No problem in having it both ways, with the list replicated to a BB front-end like LISTSERV, with a proper searchable archive and a form for posting. But please let's not drop the email mechanism: it's too valuable. YMMV :-) ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
Such a message board already exists and is listed on the maemo.org homepage: www.internettablettalk.com Berhan SOYLU wrote: > I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes > nearly 20 mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is > there anyone who knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, > smf or something like etc...? > > -- > Berhan SOYLU > http://www.berhansoylu.com > > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > -- Ryan Pavlik AbiWord Win32 Platform Maintainer, Art Lead: www.abisource.com AbiWord Community Outreach Project: www.cleardefinition.com/oss/abi/blog/ "Optimism is the father that leads to achievement." -- Helen Keller "The folder structure in a modern Linux distribution such as Ubuntu was largely inspired by the original UNIX foundations that were created by men with large beards and sensible jumpers." -- Jono Bacon, The Ubuntu Guide ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: need a community board?
Hi, > I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly 20 mails per a day...mail group is so >primitive for this..Is there anyone who knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or something like >etc...? I think I threw a question to maemo-developers about a message board at stone age (at the time of Nokia 770), but it seemed like most open source people didn't like the idea because they were used to mailing lists. We (me and Kate) are hosting on our home server our flying club's message board (with phpbb) and for that community, the message board seems to work although the same flying club has also a mailing list where the announcements are being made. I do not know what are the plans for maemo-users -community though, if such a thing is planned or not. But for reading just interesting topics, I personally like web message boards over mailing lists - mailing lists are good for announcements, more official postings and the like where message boards shine in casual conversation with capability of attachments (like screenshots etc. without flooding anybody's mailbox), no need to quote previous poster to get understood etc. But that is just my humble opinion and personal preference. YMMV. And besides of that, most my mailing lists are coming to my gmail address and I can manage them pretty ok with the filters found from the gmail but it is still not quite as convenient for finding interesting topics though than the web forums. Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
need a community board?
I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly 20 mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is there anyone who knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or something like etc...? -- Berhan SOYLU http://www.berhansoylu.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
