Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gthumb-2.12.3-1.mga2
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote: 2011/6/16 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com: one:~# urpmi gthumb A requested package cannot be installed: gthumb-2.12.3-1.mga1.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied libbrasero-burn.so.1()(64bit)) Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) one:~# rpm -ql lib64brasero1 /usr/lib64/girepository-1.0/BraseroBurn-3.0.0.typelib /usr/lib64/girepository-1.0/BraseroMedia-3.0.0.typelib /usr/lib64/libbrasero-burn3.so.1 /usr/lib64/libbrasero-burn3.so.1.2.0 /usr/lib64/libbrasero-media3.so.1 /usr/lib64/libbrasero-media3.so.1.2.0 /usr/lib64/libbrasero-utils3.so.1 /usr/lib64/libbrasero-utils3.so.1.2.0 Why the '3' digit in libraries ? We can not have this in parallel with old one... Ask upstream, we don't add suffix libs with '3' manually, IINM. So the package name is wrong and should be e.g. libbrasero3_1. Christiaan
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
Am 16.06.2011 08:46, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 02:47:16 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: Btw: after latest updates I don't have the nice blue background in Gnome, it is somehow distorted (blue but with lighter blue stripes, You mean like this? http://galleries.stefan-horning.de/d/7704-2/GNOME3-Info-o.png Yes, exactly! Yeah, that's one of the default Gnome backgrounds.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de wrote: Am 16.06.2011 08:46, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 02:47:16 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: Btw: after latest updates I don't have the nice blue background in Gnome, it is somehow distorted (blue but with lighter blue stripes, You mean like this? http://galleries.stefan-horning.de/d/7704-2/GNOME3-Info-o.png Yes, exactly! Yeah, that's one of the default Gnome backgrounds. Yes we lack customizations for mageia. This and rediffing some patches will come as soon as gnome3 will be on good shape
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
2011/6/16 Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de: Am 16.06.2011 08:46, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 02:47:16 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: Btw: after latest updates I don't have the nice blue background in Gnome, it is somehow distorted (blue but with lighter blue stripes, You mean like this? http://galleries.stefan-horning.de/d/7704-2/GNOME3-Info-o.png Yes, exactly! Yeah, that's one of the default Gnome backgrounds. Oops! I thought it was an error of the video driver! ( /me hides... ) Will have to look up some documentation about Gnome3 - lots of things I know from KDE are missing (the handy little icons in systray, a switch for virtual desktops, etc.). For a KDE user this is a very alien environment. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
Am 16.06.2011 09:27, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de: Am 16.06.2011 08:46, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 02:47:16 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: Btw: after latest updates I don't have the nice blue background in Gnome, it is somehow distorted (blue but with lighter blue stripes, You mean like this? http://galleries.stefan-horning.de/d/7704-2/GNOME3-Info-o.png Yes, exactly! Yeah, that's one of the default Gnome backgrounds. Oops! I thought it was an error of the video driver! ( /me hides... ) Will have to look up some documentation about Gnome3 - lots of things I know from KDE are missing (the handy little icons in systray, a switch for virtual desktops, etc.). For a KDE user this is a very alien environment. I know what you mean. I feel the very same. * You get the a somelike systray, if you move the mouse to the bottom-right corner (at least networkmanager and mgaonline is there). * virtual desktops are now known as Activities. If a window is already open, go to the top-left corner (like when you want to open new apps). There you find on the right an extra panel, which enlarges if you hover the mouse. Greetings
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
2011/6/16 Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de: Am 16.06.2011 09:27, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de: Am 16.06.2011 08:46, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 02:47:16 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: Btw: after latest updates I don't have the nice blue background in Gnome, it is somehow distorted (blue but with lighter blue stripes, You mean like this? http://galleries.stefan-horning.de/d/7704-2/GNOME3-Info-o.png Yes, exactly! Yeah, that's one of the default Gnome backgrounds. Oops! I thought it was an error of the video driver! ( /me hides... ) Will have to look up some documentation about Gnome3 - lots of things I know from KDE are missing (the handy little icons in systray, a switch for virtual desktops, etc.). For a KDE user this is a very alien environment. I know what you mean. I feel the very same. * You get the a somelike systray, if you move the mouse to the bottom-right corner (at least networkmanager and mgaonline is there). * virtual desktops are now known as Activities. If a window is already open, go to the top-left corner (like when you want to open new apps). There you find on the right an extra panel, which enlarges if you hover the mouse. Thx, I think I will make a list first and then try to find a how-to-use-the-gnome-desktop. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: I know what you mean. I feel the very same. * You get the a somelike systray, if you move the mouse to the bottom-right corner (at least networkmanager and mgaonline is there). * virtual desktops are now known as Activities. If a window is already open, go to the top-left corner (like when you want to open new apps). There you find on the right an extra panel, which enlarges if you hover the mouse. Thx, I think I will make a list first and then try to find a how-to-use-the-gnome-desktop. -- wobo so for you it doesn't crash anymore ?
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Improving educational programs
A task-education rpm would be simple to use. At the moment, it's called task-edu but the aim of a wiki page is to get info about what is in mageia and what is missed. So that missing packages can be added to the meta-package, e.g. task-edu, but as said we could/should specialize it adding more meta-packages. Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: 2011/6/16 Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: I know what you mean. I feel the very same. * You get the a somelike systray, if you move the mouse to the bottom-right corner (at least networkmanager and mgaonline is there). * virtual desktops are now known as Activities. If a window is already open, go to the top-left corner (like when you want to open new apps). There you find on the right an extra panel, which enlarges if you hover the mouse. Thx, I think I will make a list first and then try to find a how-to-use-the-gnome-desktop. -- wobo so for you it doesn't crash anymore ? Any more is not the correct expression here. I still get the full screen error message telling me to logout because of an error (nothing changed there), but closing this message with Alt+F4 lets me go on without problems - but it could well be that this was possible from the start. ok like me then :) i am investigating now as i reproduce since this morning on a brand new install
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:24:07AM +0200, Dexter Morgan wrote: i am investigating now as i reproduce since this morning on a brand new install I haven't switched to Mageia yet (difficult as I run cooker), so cannot help yet. That said, suggest to also ask in #fedora-desktop or #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org. Pretty sure they will have some debugging insights. Following might also be helpful: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/plain/tools/build/gnome-shell-build-setup.sh It shows you the system dependencies to build gnome-shell for Mandriva. Then the various modules it builds are in: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/plain/tools/build/gnome-shell.modules Maybe one of them needs rebuilding? -- Regards, Olav
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
On 06/16/2011 03:42 AM, Thorsten van Lil wrote: I know what you mean. I feel the very same. * You get the a somelike systray, if you move the mouse to the bottom-right corner (at least networkmanager and mgaonline is there). * virtual desktops are now known as Activities. If a window is already open, go to the top-left corner (like when you want to open new apps). There you find on the right an extra panel, which enlarges if you hover the mouse. Thanks very much for figuring out the Alt-F4 trick. I just assumed that anything telling me my only option was to Logout had to be modal. With the latest updates, the desktop does actually come up, with the striped background and showing 'Activities Date Username at the top, and I can once again scroll the applications. Now, if the Oops is not related to the launched application actually opening, I'll see how far I can get.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Improving educational programs
HI, This is really a good idea for a start. i would say : go for it :) Here you are the start page! :) http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sigedu Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
2011/6/16 Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de: * You get the a somelike systray, if you move the mouse to the bottom-right corner (at least networkmanager and mgaonline is there). Yes, but: - no icon visible, only the text, and the text is only visible one or the other, related to nouse moves. When I move the mouse inside the systray to the right, the text net_applet shows, when I move it a little bit to the left the net-applet text vanishes and the mgaapplet text appears. * virtual desktops are now known as Activities. If a window is already open, go to the top-left corner (like when you want to open new apps). There you find on the right an extra panel, which enlarges if you hover the mouse. Ok, now I have to see where I can set 4 virtual desktops and how to see the contents of all desktops (like in the task bar of KDE). Thx -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Improving educational programs
hello I'm register on the wiki, i will try to begin to complete the tables as soon as possible :) see you mammig 2011/6/16 Angelo Naselli anase...@linux.it: HI, This is really a good idea for a start. i would say : go for it :) Here you are the start page! :) http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sigedu Angelo
Re: [Mageia-dev] nspluginwrapper reborn!
2011/6/15 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com: Hello, nspluginwrapper has been updated to 1.3.x and now to 1.4.x, i.e. it has a new upstream maintainer http://nspluginwrapper.davidben.net For the first time in probably 2-3years, the 32bit Adobe Flash player seemed to work for me in a 64bit browser (I tested firefox and konqueror). So give it a shot. (I've been suggesting, to users, _not_ to use nspluginwrapper for some years now, since it never worked for me and I saw a lot of reports of it not working in forums and bug reports, so this is my I take that back, it just needed some upstream love and care). Seams was needed new blood to have a new good push, maybe Gwenole Beauchesne was somehow tired of that project... I also stopped looking at nspluginwrapper source and did started with the native adobe flash-square for 64bit OS, but these are good news, so yes ill give it a try. -- Ahmad Samir -- Zé
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Improving educational programs
giovedì 16 giugno 2011 alle 12:39, Michael Scherer ha scritto: So I think we can find a better system for proposing software that grouping together in some rpm that pull everything. Agree, that's the idea. Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Donald Stewart watersnowr...@gmail.comwrote:
On 15 June 2011 13:35, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 June 2011 14:32, Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com wrote:
On 06/14/2011 08:22 AM, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
Upgrading stable firefox to firefox5rc and importing
firefox-{beta,aurora}
are two distinct orthogonal things IMHO.
since firefox5 is near being released, I think we should update
main xulrunner+firefox to 5 anyway
Whatever we do, please don't put it in Core to replace FF4 until the
add-ons
have been updated. It was really annoying to lose the Tor add-on for
months
because the beta FF4 just showed up and replaced FF3, and the Tor add-on
wasn't updated until the release or just before.
As I said, we have to have the Beta versions, so as to work out the
niggles to be ready to push the stable version to stable releases
(Mageia 1).
You can always workaround the compatibility, either:
- Adding it manually
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Extensions.checkCompatibility OR
- Using this extension
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/
in my experience, 90% of the time the addon will work with a new
version of FF (but then again I use a limited number of addons).
--
Ahmad Samir
I'm with Ahmad, going for beta for testing seems right. The beta
release stage should be long enough for issues to be sorted so aurora
isn't needed.
Ok Mozilla has the RC1 released. Final shall come on Tuesday 21st June so
yeah we will include that in Mageia 2 I think (as least this one, maybe FF6
or 7 depending on which version will be available i think)
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Greetings
Daniel Kreuter
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
On 2011.06.16, at 13:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de: * You get the a somelike systray, if you move the mouse to the bottom-right corner (at least networkmanager and mgaonline is there). Yes, but: - no icon visible, only the text, and the text is only visible one or the other, related to nouse moves. When I move the mouse inside the systray to the right, the text net_applet shows, when I move it a little bit to the left the net-applet text vanishes and the mgaapplet text appears. Yup, there is a general lack of icons. For example, if I go to system settings panel, choose Sound, the 'little speaker' icons on the sides of slide bars are missing. The icon itself for the sound applet (and others) are also missing. And one other point: if you choose 'User Accounts' (or 'My account' in the right user menu), the panel complaints it can not contact to the 'accounts service'. I have googled it and it looks like it is time to get new gdm and accountsservice: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=117501 https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23918 http://www.freedesktop.org/software/accountsservice/ -- J.A. Magallon jamagallon()ono!com \ Software is like sex: \ It's better when it's free
Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox 5
16.06.2011 17:18, Daniel Kreuter kirjutas: Ok Mozilla has the RC1 released. Final shall come on Tuesday 21st June so yeah we will include that in Mageia 2 I think (as least this one, maybe FF6 or 7 depending on which version will be available i think) Well, it's quite possible that we have to include that in Mageia 1 as well, as this will be security update for Firefox 4. If we don't want to patch every CVE then we have to include it into Mageia 1 as well.. -- Sander
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
On 06/16/2011 10:55 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Next: when I come from a locked screen, giving the password to unlock it, only the background shows. No top bar, nothing happening when I move the mouse to any side,top, bottom. I have to Clt+Alt+Back out. This happens 3 out of 5 today. This was happening almost a week ago, but without the unlock, when I mentioned that logging in gave a background screen with no ActivitiesDate Username, and didn't respond to anything. Could be the same cause.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
Next: Am I blind or is there no chance to shutdown/reboot? The only way I found was Log out in the wobo menue (top right). This restarts the x server and there you can Shutdown... and then finally Shutdown computer. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Improving educational programs
Le jeudi 16 juin 2011 13:11:48, Angelo Naselli a écrit : HI, This is really a good idea for a start. i would say : go for it :) Here you are the start page! :) http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sigedu Angelo Nice. Ktuberling is already packaged : part of kdegames, I have ktuberling-4.6.3-1.mga1
Re: [Mageia-dev] GNOME 3 and Video
Le jeudi 16 juin 2011 14:09:59, Frank Griffin a écrit : I'm finding that GNOME 3 is exhibiting a lot of video strangeness. I have a Radeon HD 3300 Graphics chip with the fglrx driver, and I'm [...] Do these symptoms suggest anything ? While testing Fedora 15 i found same problem with the fglrx driver, switching back to the Free driver fix it. (i 've got a radeon HD5700) Regards, -- Balcaen John Jabber ID: mik...@jabber.littleboboy.net
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
Le jeudi 16 juin 2011 14:05:59, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : Next: Am I blind or is there no chance to shutdown/reboot? The only way I found was Log out in the wobo menue (top right). This restarts the x server and there you can Shutdown... and then finally Shutdown computer. You need to push ALT to see the shutdown button. -- Balcaen John Jabber ID: mik...@jabber.littleboboy.net
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Improving educational programs
Le 16/06/2011 19:16, José Jorge a écrit : Le jeudi 16 juin 2011 12:39:49, Michael Scherer a écrit : So I think we can find a better system for proposing software that grouping together in some rpm that pull everything. You mean something like Ubuntu's logithèque? I agree, but that's lots of work. A task package by my view is used this way : - hi I discover linux, is there any education soft? - install task-edu, and try them. I always do that for newcomers José I think a web page (or a group of ) will be better We can present the software, explain how to install, etc The need are very different between a 4 or 5 years child (who will love Gcompris or other similar programm) and 10-12 years, very fond of stargazing, who will ask for stellarium or marble My 2 cents Jehane -- Marianne Lombard (Jehane) Mageia User - Mageia french translation team Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum
by *pmithrandir https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=359* » Jun 13th, '11, 20:21 On my side, I think mageia should do a mix of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...) - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed or if there is some instant success for a new software. Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be maintain for 4 years. So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : - The LTS - The common release - The cauldron. With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one release for public at a time, and just one LTS. If you update main software(we could define a list of no more than 20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or developper who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy. BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special section in this forum for these discussion, or maybe another forum. It's totally impossible for people who want to participate sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to read some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final user should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a big + in front of others distributions.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum
by *pmithrandir https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=359* » Jun 13th, '11, 20:21 On my side, I think mageia should do a mix of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...) - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed or if there is some instant success for a new software. Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be maintain for 4 years. So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : - The LTS - The common release - The cauldron. With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one release for public at a time, and just one LTS. If you update main software(we could define a list of no more than 20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or developper who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy. BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special section in this forum for these discussion, or maybe another forum. It's totally impossible for people who want to participate sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to read some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final user should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a big + in front of others distributions. by *claire https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=448* » Jun 16th, '11, 14:27 pmithrandir wrote:On my side, I think mageia should do a mix of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...) - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed or if there is some instant success for a new software. Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be maintain for 4 years. So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : - The LTS - The common release - The cauldron. I completely agree with this. There is no real need to rush releases as long as new versions are easily available. I know backports repo is available but its not very user friendly. As an example, the newer versions of Openshot video editor have a very nice feature of being able to do animated titles. To be able to use them you need Blender 2.5. Whilst Mageia includes Openshot 1.3.1 (which errors with missing plugins btw) which at time of writing is current it still has Blender 2.49b. It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary users know a newer version is available and a simple click to upgrade it. LTS releases in Ubuntu IMHO are a great idea and one which would add value to mageia as a potential server/business OS where stability over time is crucial. I dont think Joe Bloggs really cares about a 6 monthly distribution upgrade, only that new versions of the software they use are easily obtainable in the mean time and won't break the distribution upgrade when it comes around.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum
Le 16/06/2011 19:57, lebarhon a écrit : by *pmithrandir https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=359* » Jun 13th, '11, 20:21 On my side, I think mageia should do a mix of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...) - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed or if there is some instant success for a new software. Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be maintain for 4 years. So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : - The LTS - The common release - The cauldron. With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one release for public at a time, and just one LTS. If you update main software(we could define a list of no more than 20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or developper who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy. BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special section in this forum for these discussion, or maybe another forum. It's totally impossible for people who want to participate sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to read some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final user should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a big + in front of others distributions. by *claire https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=448* » Jun 16th, '11, 14:27 pmithrandir wrote:On my side, I think mageia should do a mix of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...) - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed or if there is some instant success for a new software. Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be maintain for 4 years. So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : - The LTS - The common release - The cauldron. I completely agree with this. There is no real need to rush releases as long as new versions are easily available. I know backports repo is available but its not very user friendly. As an example, the newer versions of Openshot video editor have a very nice feature of being able to do animated titles. To be able to use them you need Blender 2.5. Whilst Mageia includes Openshot 1.3.1 (which errors with missing plugins btw) which at time of writing is current it still has Blender 2.49b. It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary users know a newer version is available and a simple click to upgrade it. LTS releases in Ubuntu IMHO are a great idea and one which would add value to mageia as a potential server/business OS where stability over time is crucial. I dont think Joe Bloggs really cares about a 6 monthly distribution upgrade, only that new versions of the software they use are easily obtainable in the mean time and won't break the distribution upgrade when it comes around. by *roadrunner https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=468* » Jun 16th, '11, 15:35 claire wrote: pmithrandir wrote:I dont think Joe Bloggs really cares about a 6 monthly distribution upgrade, only that new versions of the software they use are easily obtainable in the mean time and won't break the distribution upgrade when it comes around. Speaking as a typical Joe Bloggs, all I'm interested in is keeping my applications up to date with the occasional distribution upgrade. I'm not interested in regular release cycles because I feel that this leads to rush-jobs, which in turn, leads to bugs galore. I'm more interested in a solid reliable distribution upgrade on the it'll be ready when it's ready basis. .\\artin - Mageia 1 32-bit - KDE SC 4.6.3 - - AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ CPU - - 4Gb RAM - nVidia 8500GT GPU -
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 19:21:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: I'm using KDM as well, but the problem is not the restart of the x server - it is the unavailability of a shutdown/restart dialogue in the menue, task bar, systray, wherever, which is annoying. Yeah. I noticed that too. There is only log off and suspend. As moblin also lacks in such a shutdown function, I have the bad feeling that it's not a bug, but i feature. Regards
Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release rhythmbox-0.13.3-7.mga2
2011/6/16 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:32:23 +0200 (CEST), Mageia Team buildsystem-dae...@mageia.org wrote: Name : rhythmbox Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.13.3 Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 7.mga2 Build Date: Tue Jun 14 18:24:25 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse Group : Sound Source RPM: (none) Size : 10009472 License: GPLv2+ with exception Signature : (none) Packager : Mageia Team http://www.mageia.org URL : http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/ Summary : Music Management Application Description : Music Management application with support for ripping audio-cd's, playback of Ogg Vorbis and Mp3 and burning of CD-Rs. dmorgan dmorgan 0.13.3-7.mga2: + Revision: 106171 - Fix file list - Add libproxy-devel as buildRequire - Rebuild against new brasero Needs another rebuild for new gnome-media: ne:~# rpm -qa *gnome-media* lib64gnome-media0-2.32.0-3.mga1 gnome-media-2.91.2-1.mga2 libgnome-media-profiles-3.0.0-6.mga2 lib64gnome-media-profiles0-3.0.0-6.mga2 one:~# urpme lib64gnome-media0 To satisfy dependencies, the following 3 packages will be removed (15MB): lib64gnome-media0-2.32.0-3.mga1.x86_64 lib64rhythmbox3-0.13.3-7.mga2.x86_64 (due to missing libgnome-media-profiles.so.0()(64bit)) rhythmbox-0.13.3-7.mga2.x86_64 (due to missing librhythmbox-core.so.3()(64bit), due to unsatisfied lib64rhythmbox3 = 0.13.3-7.mga2) Remove 3 packages? (y/N) -- J.A. Magallon jamagallon()ono!com \ Winter is coming... It'll require more than a rebuild; most likely we'll have to push a git snapshot of rhythmbox due to the gtk+3.0 changes (pterjan said he'll take care of it), should be soon. -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
2011/6/16 Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 19:21:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: I'm using KDM as well, but the problem is not the restart of the x server - it is the unavailability of a shutdown/restart dialogue in the menue, task bar, systray, wherever, which is annoying. Yeah. I noticed that too. There is only log off and suspend. As moblin also lacks in such a shutdown function, I have the bad feeling that it's not a bug, but i feature. A long time Linux protagonist who I admire and who has my deepest respect once said: In Gnome the border between bug and feature is floating! -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum
2011/6/16 lebarhon lebar...@free.fr It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary users know a newer version is available and a simple click to upgrade it. Look to Mageia App DB (in testing) There is growing a good interface. http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/rpm/list/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0/listtype/updates_testing/page/1 The link shows the update soon coming.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 19:21:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: I'm using KDM as well, but the problem is not the restart of the x server - it is the unavailability of a shutdown/restart dialogue in the menue, task bar, systray, wherever, which is annoying. Yeah. I noticed that too. There is only log off and suspend. As moblin also lacks in such a shutdown function, I have the bad feeling that it's not a bug, but i feature. Unlike the 'gnome shell', the gnome 3 panel does have a Shutdown item in the user menu (but no Suspend). Christiaan
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
2011/6/16 Christiaan Welvaart c...@daneel.dyndns.org: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 19:21:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: I'm using KDM as well, but the problem is not the restart of the x server - it is the unavailability of a shutdown/restart dialogue in the menue, task bar, systray, wherever, which is annoying. Yeah. I noticed that too. There is only log off and suspend. As moblin also lacks in such a shutdown function, I have the bad feeling that it's not a bug, but i feature. Unlike the 'gnome shell', the gnome 3 panel does have a Shutdown item in the user menu (but no Suspend). Ah! Now I understand! Shutdown is old-school, the young generation only suspends! wobo, adjusting his suspenders.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Improving educational programs
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Marianne Lombard maria...@tuxette.frwrote: Le 16/06/2011 19:16, José Jorge a écrit : Le jeudi 16 juin 2011 12:39:49, Michael Scherer a écrit : So I think we can find a better system for proposing software that grouping together in some rpm that pull everything. You mean something like Ubuntu's logithèque? I agree, but that's lots of work. A task package by my view is used this way : - hi I discover linux, is there any education soft? - install task-edu, and try them. I always do that for newcomers José I think a web page (or a group of ) will be better We can present the software, explain how to install, etc The need are very different between a 4 or 5 years child (who will love Gcompris or other similar programm) and 10-12 years, very fond of stargazing, who will ask for stellarium or marble My 2 cents Jehane -- Marianne Lombard (Jehane) Mageia User - Mageia french translation team Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett A Live CD which will provide all of this programs would be nice too. And we will need a little bit of advertisement to find new people and even children using this programs. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Greetings Daniel Kreuter
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:58:18 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3: 2011/6/16 Christiaan Welvaart c...@daneel.dyndns.org: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 19:21:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: I'm using KDM as well, but the problem is not the restart of the x server - it is the unavailability of a shutdown/restart dialogue in the menue, task bar, systray, wherever, which is annoying. Yeah. I noticed that too. There is only log off and suspend. As moblin also lacks in such a shutdown function, I have the bad feeling that it's not a bug, but i feature. Unlike the 'gnome shell', the gnome 3 panel does have a Shutdown item in the user menu (but no Suspend). Press 'Shut Down' and you see suspend, hibernate, restart, cancel, shut down HTH
Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit : From: andre999and...@laposte.net [...] ... Considering your concern for the application, maybe you would like to package it for Mageia. You could ensure that it is always up to date, and that it works properly, and is properly supported. (The packager is a key player in support.) Just because it is called a backport doesn't mean that it won't work. The packager mentoring program will help you get started :) -- André Well, first of all, I never liked the _concept_ of backports. Too many repositories, too complex tree already. One of the reasons I wasn't very fond of Mandriva (the other reason being the IaOra theme(s).) As Stormi suggested, you could consider backports as feature updates. (Whether or not the repository names change.) There is a certain logic for having separate backport repositories. It is normal to put more focus on security updates and bug fixes, than introducing new features. The former could also be considered release blockers, but never backports. So QA focuses on security updates and bug fixes. Also, Mandriva provided corporate support for the former, but not backports. Of course this concept doesn't apply to a volonteer community distro such as Mageia. Mageia policy is inherited from Mandriva, but is evidently subject to changes. In terms of support, the nature of support by Mageia is yet to be defined, but it is starting to be discussed. From the NON-rolling distros, Fedora is arguably the only one who tries to bring newer versions of a number of applications throughout its 12+1 months lifecycle. w/o using backports. My opinion is that, as long as system libraries are _not_ upgraded, many other packages (applications!) should be updated as appropriate. Otherwise, the result would be that Windows users would have more freedom and ease in decided what version of the [multi-platform open-source] applications to use than Linux users! (Except, of course, the users of rolling-release distros, and except for users of unstable/rawhide/cooker/cauldron...) I know, I should probably be using Fedora as long as _some_ of their principles suit my views much more than Mageia does or than Mandriva did. However, Fedora lacks something like Mandriva Control Center, and yum is millions of times slower than urpmi, therefore... I appreciate the same strengths inherited by Mageia. Not to mention that most of the best people Mandriva had are now with Mageia, which makes this distro hard to ignore... (Je crois qu'on appelle cela zugzwang...) I agree totally. Mageia is the best of the old Mandriva. So what I propose is that you seriously consider packaging your application for Mageia. We find a mentor for you to apprentice with, to familiarise you with the process. In choosing a mentor, it would help to find someone in the same time zone. You're in Canada ? What time zone ? (I'd offer to mentor you myself, being also in Canada, but I'm not yet a full packager.) When I started, I was able to package my favorite application to start with, hopefully you can do the same, if it's not too complicated. (Since you indicate that it doesn't have dependancies to/from other packages, I suspect that it would be relatively straight-forward.) Once you have started packaging, you have a better chance to influence Mageia policy, if you still think that it should be changed. But in any case you would be able to ensure that your package is available on Mageia, and is always up to date. And of course, ensure that it works properly. So, isn't it worth a try ? :) R-C -- André
Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release rhythmbox-0.13.3-7.mga2
2011/6/17 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:12:39 +0300, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/16 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:32:23 +0200 (CEST), Mageia Team buildsystem-dae...@mageia.org wrote: Name : rhythmbox Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.13.3 Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 7.mga2 Build Date: Tue Jun 14 18:24:25 2011 Needs another rebuild for new gnome-media: ne:~# rpm -qa *gnome-media* lib64gnome-media0-2.32.0-3.mga1 gnome-media-2.91.2-1.mga2 libgnome-media-profiles-3.0.0-6.mga2 lib64gnome-media-profiles0-3.0.0-6.mga2 one:~# urpme lib64gnome-media0 To satisfy dependencies, the following 3 packages will be removed (15MB): lib64gnome-media0-2.32.0-3.mga1.x86_64 lib64rhythmbox3-0.13.3-7.mga2.x86_64 (due to missing libgnome-media-profiles.so.0()(64bit)) rhythmbox-0.13.3-7.mga2.x86_64 (due to missing librhythmbox-core.so.3()(64bit), due to unsatisfied lib64rhythmbox3 = 0.13.3-7.mga2) Remove 3 packages? (y/N) ... It'll require more than a rebuild; most likely we'll have to push a git snapshot of rhythmbox due to the gtk+3.0 changes (pterjan said he'll take care of it), should be soon. Ahh, the pleasure of going bleeding edge... So the release of Gnome 3 is just the platform, everything around it has not caught up yet... One or two apps != everything :) I guess, that's normal with huge changes, it takes time till the ripple effect covers the whole pond. -- J.A. Magallon jamagallon()ono!com \ Winter is coming... -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659)
So what I propose is that you seriously consider packaging your application for Mageia. We find a mentor for you to apprentice with, to familiarise you with the process. In choosing a mentor, it would help to find someone in the same time zone. You're in Canada ? What time zone ? (I'd offer to mentor you myself, being also in Canada, but I'm not yet a full packager.) André, No matter what my e-mail address is, I am not in Canada, but in Romania. Anyway, I'll think of packaging once I fix some other issues. Right now I'm investigating a very peculiar crash in KCharSelect (an upstream issue), which actually means KCharSelect crashes when a bad font is used (DejaVu _is_ having some bad issues). As I am not familiar with Qt4/KDE development, it's a kinky issue. And the bug is not where it seems to be. (I can't report the bug right now, but if you want details, ask me.) I am stunned that such an application like KCharSelect can crash such badly and nobody fixes it (yes, to reproduce the bug you must know to identify the actual conditions, however there are some upstream bug reports about this crashes, poorly defined). This being said, CharMap in Windows _never_ crashed, in no version of Windows, whereas KCharSelect _always_ crashes, from KDE 4.0 onwards. If I won't be able to pinpoint the bug (yes, I want to fix it), I might reconsider one more time using KDE4 (hence Linux) on my laptop, as this is utterly ridiculous to have KCharSelect crashing like shit (ask me and I'll tell you how to crash it on _any_ distro) and nobody doing anything! Millions of Linux users and developers! When I started, I was able to package my favorite application to start with, hopefully you can do the same, if it's not too complicated. (Since you indicate that it doesn't have dependancies to/from other packages, I suspect that it would be relatively straight-forward.) It needs Python 2.7 and whatnot, but this is not an issue. (I've packaged some RPMs in 2009, just not for Mandriva, for EL5-compatible distros.) R-C
Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-gnome-2-0.3.mga2
2011/6/17 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:38:10 +0200 (CEST), Mageia Team buildsystem-dae...@mageia.org wrote: Name : task-gnome Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 2 Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 0.3.mga2 Build Date: Thu Jun 16 21:37:15 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund Group : Graphical desktop/GNOME Source RPM: (none) Size : 7141 License: GPLv2+ Signature : (none) Packager : Mageia Team http://www.mageia.org Summary : Metapackage for GNOME desktop environment Description : This package is a meta-package, meaning that its purpose is to contain dependencies for running the GNOME2. dmorgan dmorgan 1:2-0.3.mga2: + Revision: 108331 - Update requires If this is fot accountsservice, should not this (and perhaps others) go to task-gnome-minimal ? this is already in task-gnome-minimal
