Re: [Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.comwrote: Le 07/10/2012 12:04, David Sjölin a écrit : But when I try to install ant it has a dependency on openjdk 1.5, 1.6 or 1.7. Would it be possible to setup the dependencies so it checks PATH for existing java-versions instead? I can override the paths so it uses Sun Java, but it would be simpler if it was possible to install Sun Java before installing ant and then not install OpenJDK? While technically possible, using file dependencies seems a bad idea here, because they have their own limitations. And more generally, the whole idea of altering our packages to allow better interaction with non-packaged or foreign-controlled stuff defeat the whole purpose of a self-contained distribution. Just remove openjdk using rpm --nodeps option. Or better, build your own empty package, providing the missing dependencies (java, jre) as virtual packages. I wonder if we could add some kind of --ignore-dependency option to urpmi to achieve the same result. Thanks, I'll try that (rpm --nodeps). Yes, being able to skip the java-dependency in the installer (I used Install/Remove Software), would probably be good, with OpenJDK selected by default still. Now I got the option to choose java-version, so I guess a solution would be to be able to choose 1.5, 1.6, 1.7 or none. Regards, David
[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
Hello! I just installed Mageia 2 on my laptop (I've been using Mageia 1 up to now), and since I'm doing some java developing I've installed Java, Eclipse, Subversion and Ant. Since I use Sun Java at work I want to use Sun Java at home as well instead of OpenJDK, so I installed it in /opt and created a symbolic link to /usr/lib. But when I try to install ant it has a dependency on openjdk 1.5, 1.6 or 1.7. Would it be possible to setup the dependencies so it checks PATH for existing java-versions instead? I can override the paths so it uses Sun Java, but it would be simpler if it was possible to install Sun Java before installing ant and then not install OpenJDK? Regards, David Sjölin
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
Hello! Supposedly, ArchLinux and Debian also works on Raspberry Pi, but I agree. It would be nice to get Mageia to work there. Regards, David On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Daniel Tartavel cont...@librepc.com wrote: Le mardi 13 mars 2012, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Armando B. at 13/03/12 15:07 did gyre and gimble: Hi all, in this days i'm interesting to this new hardware Raspberry Pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ it's based on ARM arch and have great performance on video, on website there is also a video with XBMC that play an H264 stream 1080p 30fps. It support OpenGL ES2.0 and OpenVG, have 2 usb port, 1 lan, 1 audio out, 1 hdmi out, 1 rca video. Price: ~27 euro :) For now there is only one distribution supported/sponsored, Fedora 14 remix. Could be an opportunity for Mageia visibility, first 1 pieces were sold in only 2 hours, could be 1 new Mageia users :) One of these is certainly on my shopping list and I'd very much like to see mga running on one of them! Col Hi, +1 Daniel Tartavel Animateur Diplômé en Technologies de l'Information et de la Communication. Technicien de Maintenance en Informatique http://www.librepc.com siret : 511 210 858 RCS Lyon -- Je vous serais reconnaissant de ne pas m'envoyer de pièces jointes aux formats Word, Excel, PowerPoint, RTF, fichiers aux formats propriétaires. Utilisez des formats universels et libres tels que texte, html, OpenDocument, TeX, à la limite PDF. Merci. Voir http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.fr.html
Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de wrote: Am Sonntag, 12. Juni 2011, 22:46:33 schrieb Michael Scherer: Proposal 1: 6 months release cycle - 12 months life cycle ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva 2010.1 Mandriva != 2006.0 ) Proposal 2: 9 months release cycle - 18 months life cycle ( ~ opensuse and the one we used for Mageia 1 ) Proposal 3: 12 months release cycle - 24 months life cycle ( Mandriva 2010.1 ) Hello! I'm for proposal 2 as well. I usually use LTS of Ubuntu at work, and at home just keep the distribution for a long time, so I would like far between, but I know a lot of colleagues who always install the latest so the middle ground of 9 months seems good to me. Regards, David
Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org wrote: Wolfgang Bornath skrev 13.6.2011 15:20: About the cycles: The 9-months seem to be a compromise - but I start to ask why we need such a fixed statement (which it would be, once published). We need a schedule for each cycle, that's true. Without a schedule we would never finish anything. But how about taking 9 months only as a nice to meet target, leaving us the option to set a roadmap after setting the specs of the next release - we could then go for a 8 or 10 months roadmap, depending on the specs. This is somewhat like what I had in my mind to write too, but you beat me to it :) It could allow us to adapt a little for upstream releases. But should we then decide that the limit is +/- 1 month ? Obviously there will still be people complaining that you waited 10 months... if you had extended with ~2 more weeks... this or that package would have been available too... and so on And something not to forget (this is more related to the specs): If an estimated upstream release of kde/gnome/... seem to fit our schedule it _must_ be in Cauldron before version freeze so we actually get some test/qa on it and not try to force it in by hey it's released ~x days before final mageia release so it must be added attitude that tends to pop up at every freeze. This point and the one above (if you had extended...) seems to be arguments for a fixed time release cycle? With a fixed release cycle no one would question why we didn't wait for the release of a new gnome/kde/any package which someone wants, since waiting the extra weeks would go against the release cycle. I'm not sure if that is enough of an argument against having a looser release cycle but... But then again, I can see the point of having the possibility to be a bit flexible.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Suggestion: what to do with iso?
Hello! I think it would be a good idea to have clear instructions on how to put it on a USB. I bought a netbook a couple of years ago, and I couldn't get any distribution to install except Ubuntu Netbook Edition, and that's not the one I wanted, so instructions on how to get Mageia to install from USB would definitely be a good idea. In addition, I've noticed that nowadays a lot of non-netbooks laptops with 12 screens also ship without DVD-player so it's becoming a bigger problem (unless you have an external DVD-drive). Since Mageia comes from Mandriva, maybe instructions on how to create the USB from Windows and from Mandriva (and maybe from a desktop/other laptop install of Mageia)? Regards, David On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote: So, I was talking to someone i know about Mageia, and she poked around the site, but then asked how to put the iso on an usbstick, since her netbook didn't have cdrom. I had to admit i didn't know exactly how, which brings me to my point: Perhaps it would be nice to have a link on the download page, on how to handle the iso for people who don't know how? (ie: burn it; or usb-stick-ify it) WDYT?
Re: [Mageia-dev] Suggestion: what to do with iso?
Hello! I remember that when I created a usb from ISO I had some strange problem making the USB bootable. Maybe some comment on how to do that? I don't remember how I did it then, but I assume using fdisk or something? Dismount the USB, fidks /dev/sdb1 (or whatever it could be on the users computer) and change the bootable flag (?). And a comment on how to find the device for the USB. Other than that this looks like a good design. Regards, David On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote: Op donderdag 28 april 2011 10:01:53 schreef Romain d'Alverny: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 08:52, Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote: So, I was talking to someone i know about Mageia, and she poked around the site, but then asked how to put the iso on an usbstick, since her netbook didn't have cdrom. I had to admit i didn't know exactly how, which brings me to my point: Perhaps it would be nice to have a link on the download page, on how to handle the iso for people who don't know how? (ie: burn it; or usb-stick-ify it) WDYT? It's always good to have this kind of documentation, that we can provide on the download page for after use. Related docs: * http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Draklive#Building_a_live_CD_or_live_USB * http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Installing_Mandriva_Linux#Installation_fr om_a_USB_stick * maybe others I didn't find about this, but no equivalent doc on our side for now (in Wiki or website). So someone to write an article about this is welcome. Note that Ubuntu does something quite nice as well about this (the show me how thing): http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download Romain I would prefer to not link the download page to our temporary wiki, as it doesn't look that good imho. an extra translatable page on the website would sound good, i suppose: rough format: - What to do with this iso file? first, choose the right one for you. == explanation about 32bit/64bit == mention about dualboot == mention about live iso and how you can install that if you want == mention about the other isos and briefly what they mean option 1) burn it to CD/DVD with your favourite CD/DVD burner == examples with small screenshot from windows/macosx/linux == notice on size of iso and CD or DVD format, notion about RW also being ok == explanation of verifying md5sum option 2) how to put an iso on a stick? == examples with small screenshot from windows/macosx/linux == explanation of verifying md5sum option 3) virtualisation == briefly mention XEN/KVM/Vbox/VMWare == explanation of importance of verifying an md5sum something like this...
Re: [Mageia-dev] Virtual machine image distribution
Hi! Yes. I think I misunderstood your original question. I thought the purpose of this was mostly for testing while the distribution is fairly new since it would be easier for people to test in a virtual machine instead of installing it directly on a computer since you would most likely need to reinstall fairly often in the beginning. But now I'm starting to understand that the purpose was something totally different. Regards, David Sjölin On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le lundi 14 février 2011 à 13:45 +0100, David Sjölin a écrit : I would be interested in this, especially for the first versions. But as you say, one could install it oneself on a VirtualBox, but with some distributions I've used graphics can be complicated to get right in VirtualBox. Then shouldn't it be better to fix this problem rather than work around it by offering a preinstalled vm ? -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] PGP keys and package signing
Hello! I know this is probably a stupid question, but if you don't ask you won't learn so. What is this signing? I assume we won't encrypt the entire distribution? Is it some sort of way of saying that a package is Approved by Mageia so the package manager can warn about non approved packages? Regards, David On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 00:35, Dick Gevers dvgev...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:15:36 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] PGP keys and package signing: Le lundi 31 janvier 2011 à 21:49 +, Dick Gevers a écrit : On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:18:25 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] PGP keys and package signing: The problem is not leaking the key, it is about cryptographic attacks about older keys. If in 10 years, there is some technology that allows people to get our private key by bruteforce on the public one You can never ever obtain the private key from the public one, that is impossible. It can only be compromised if someone looses the private key plus the password is cracked. Some secure systems have been seen compromised ( like http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/rogue-ca/, who explain how the whole SSL business was compromised 2 years ago, or see the GSM being cracked at this year 27C3 ). And Debian also got ride of older vulnerable gpg keys ( see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/04/msg00018.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/09/msg3.html ), so I would not be so optimistic about the never. Technically, MD5 should not have been reversible, but see how easy it is using a rainbow table. Granted, that's a 20 year protocol, but that's still widely used in lots of software. Sorry, but I am not convinced: the gpg key we are talking about consists of 2 parts: the private key is separate from the public key, or signing key. The signing key is a separate or subkey and does not contain any part of the private key. So you can throw any amount of computing power at it, but there is nothing inside the public key that will enable the rebuilding of the private key from it. Encrypt stuff with the public one, try to decrypt it with the 2^4096 (or whatever) possible private keys.
[Mageia-dev] New member...
Hello! My name is David (Zarniwoop), and I signed up a while back for participating in the Mageia dev-team among with other teams, but since then I haven't heard anything. I've now been in contact with Maertens who asked me to email on the mailinglist and let you all know who I am and what I hope to participate with, so here goes: I'm 32 years old, working in telecommunications. In March I will start working as a software developer for DigitalRoute (in Java). Linux experience: I've been using Linux since around 1997 (possibly -96). Slackware for the first few years, and later several distributions but mostly Red Hat, Mandriva, Slackware and Ubuntu. At work I use Ubuntu (10.04), and at home I use Mandriva 2009.1 and 2010.1. At work and at the University I've used UNIX a lot on servers. Developer experience: I have a B.Sc. in Computer Science focusing on software development and programming. I've programmed assembly language on Amiga (68020), and in the later year mostly C and Java with some experience in C#. I've also worked a lot with Oracle at work. My participation: I haven't participated in distribution development before so I'm pretty new at this, but I want to help out wherever I can. I think I can be of most use with C-programming. I prefer low-level programming as opposed to GUI, but am eager to learn so if I get some pointers I'll try to help out wherever needed. Since I don't have any experience from distro development I'm hoping someone more experienced could point me in the right direction. Regards, David Sjölin AKA Zarniwoop
