Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
It has been posted before but I guess it's a good read for anyone willing to push an argument in this debate: http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/ Really excellent article. I enjoyed reading it because it's based on people-from-real-life. Even when I'm not developer nor advanced user, I know I'm above basic users. And sometimes I (and I guess most of us) forget that most people are like our moms or our sisters (not moms that are software engineer X). People who only read their hotmail mail, use messenger, facebook, tweeter, listen some MP3, write a doc for school. So, I agree we must bring some order to this storm. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
IMHO that if we want that backports be more popular, we must stop promoting like for advanced users: http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Basic_tasks/Installing_and_removing_software#Advanced_use:_Backports_and_candidate_updates Quote: The testing and backports repositories for each section will be configured on your system but disabled (they are disabled by default to ensure you do not install packages from these repositories by accident, since they could potentially not work as well as those from the release and updates repositories). To use these repositories, simply run the Software Media Manager as discussed in #Making more applications available and check the boxes to enable them. We recommend that you do not leave either repository permanently enabled, but enable them if you wish to install a specific package from them, install the package, and then disable them again. If you give this kind of description to non-advanced / geek users, of course they will be afraid to try backports. And, if they don't try backports, you'll have lot of people knocking at your door asking for rolling distro. Of course, I'm not saying let's lie to people. If backports are dangerous, we can't think in tell everyone you want updated packages? Try backports because not everyone will have the ability to handle problems or system instability. But, if backports aren't that dangerous, why to show them with red lights and warnings? Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
Could it be possible to use the same schema that Mandriva use + one LTS with three years of support? Regular releases every six months with 18 month support. But we could include this kind of LTS with 36 month. Difference with Ubuntu will be that our LTS will be launched only after the previous LTS ends its cycle. Something like this: http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mageiareleases.jpg/ My doubt is will Magea community be able to handle the support for four releases at the same time in semesters when it happen? If you add the LTS, should regular release support be reduced to 12 months? This way, you'll never have more than 3 releases alive at the same time. Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
Re: [Mageia-dev] Hello
Hi zieduz Did you put your name in the wiki? www.mageia.org/wiki Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets
I like very much the professional approach and analysis of Graham. And I agree pretty much. However, a family distro means, for me, the married man / woman + kids. And that's where I find Marc's approach correct. If you wan that the whole family could enjoy the experience, you must provide to the distro the tools-for-common-tasks like office suite, Internet, IM, etc etc, educational software and security-for-kids tools, and of course, solid game experience. If you don't include games, probably you'll have dual-boot PC's instead of Megaia-only PCs. There will be cases where dual-boot will be inevitable (maybe because dad needs a particular tool and Wine is not an option), but we're talking about the majority. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] Can Firefox be included in Mageia?
If I'm reading well, Mozilla allows distribution of Firefox as Firefox if you don't change it (I mean, code). https://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html Software Distributions Unaltered Binaries You may distribute unchanged official binaries (i.e., the installer file available for download for each platform (code + config) and not the program executable) downloaded from www.mozilla.com or www.mozilla.org to anyone in any way, subject to governing law, without receiving any further permission from Mozilla. If you want to distribute the unchanged official binaries using the Mozilla Marks, you may do so, without receiving any further permission from Mozilla, as long as you comply with this Trademark Policy and you distribute them without charge. However, you must not remove or change any part of the official binary, including the Mozilla Marks. On your website or in other materials, you may truthfully state that the software you are providing is an unmodified version of a Mozilla application, keeping in mind the overall guidelines for the use of Mozilla Marks in printed materials, detailed above. We suggest that, if you choose to provide visitors to your website the opportunity to download Mozilla product, you do so by means of a link to our site, to help ensure faster, more reliable downloads. (See the section on Linking, below.) If you choose to distribute Mozilla binaries yourself, you should make the latest stable version available (of course, you probably want to do so as well). If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for your compiled version. So that users get the latest code and security releases, we encourage you to always distribute the most current official release. The notification requirements of the Mozilla Public License have been met for our binaries, so although it's a good idea to do so, you are not required to ship the source code along with the binaries. In addition, if you are distributing Mozilla binaries yourself, and wish to use the Mozilla Mark(s), you may not (a) disable, modify or otherwise interfere with any installation mechanism contained in a Mozilla product; (b) use any such installation mechanism to install any plug-ins, themes, extensions, software, or items other than the Mozilla product; or (c) use or provide any program, mechanism or process (other than an installation mechanism contained in the Mozilla product) to install such product. Any use of a meta-installer would require our prior written permission. If you are using the Mozilla Mark(s) for the unaltered binaries you are distributing, you may not charge for that product. By not charging, we mean the Mozilla product must be without cost and its distribution (whether by download or other media) may not be subject to a fee, or tied to subscribing to or purchasing a service, or the collection of personal information. If you want to sell the product, you may do so, but you must call that product by another name—one unrelated to Mozilla or any of the Mozilla Marks (see the sections on Modifications and Related Software below). Remember that we do not want the public to be confused. Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] So?
A good idea would be to keep a wiki page listing all the aspects of Mageia we want... like, We want RPM, we want plain-text mails only, we want a cool logo, etc... IMHO that people is going too far in this moment. I mean, far in the future. Think that we have almost nothing yet. Not even the most important and basic elements to build the distro. So, people is asking to add features to a distro that can't be built yet. With time, Mageia will have all it's needed (build system, bug tracking, web server, etc etc.). And, of course, some place to drop ideas. Maybe something like ideas.mandriva.com or Mandriva's bugzilla. Who knows. Don't feel disappointed. Please, keep your ideas in mind. Be patient and wait for the right moment to drop it in the right place. IMHO that wiki is to slow. IRC is too real time. MLs are the right mix between both. With MLs you have enough time to think and write your idea very clear. And is fast enough to have lot of answers in a few minutes. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
[Mageia-dev] Provisional Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
Founders of Mageia project are working hard in many fields. One of those fields is to write founding documents. IMHO that we could/should provisionally rely on these: * Etiquette for mailing lists: http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette * Code of conduct: http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Code_of_Conduct And I said provisionally because I guess we'll have our own rules. But I don't think that courtesy and respect will be absent in our rules. In fact, I think our rules will be pretty much the same as the links I posted. For those who don't know these documentos, please, take a few minutes and read them. I'm sending this mail to mageia-dev / mageia-discuss / mageia-i18n lists. But as separate e-mails. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
Maybe firts, you should decide what would the Welcome Center do. I mean, Kaptan is a configuration tool. Display links is more a kind of information page. So, the Welcome Center should be an info page, or a full featured tool that can set most common things for newbies? Personally, I like the Kaptan idea. Don't know if it's possible to port it to Mageia from developers' POV. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia WelcomeCenter?
I found both aproaches really atractive and useful. Kaptan looks very intuitive, easy and centralize most (if not all) the most common and basic settings that a person with basic knowledge could need after the first boot. However, wobo's aproach is also important. What happends if Kaptan-like-tool hangs in the first boot and close? That's where info page will be really really useful. This is an extreme example, but I think I presents the idea well. A newbie will be almost naked and screaming without to know where to go for help. But, if Kaptan-like-tool doesn't hang and works fine, it's always important to let people know where they have to go if anything goes wrong or where to meet other user. You never know when a user could become an important contributor. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?
2010/9/29 Gustavo Giampaoli giampaoli.gust...@gmail.com: we can have both packages :) +1 Of course. It's the most logical decision. I was wrong. After visit the LibreOffice web http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ I've found that English is the only language besides this: This beta release is not intended for production use! Be advised that the current beta might replace your OpenOffice.org installation. So, I agree with Michael Scherer's words: any decision will depend on timing, ie: Where LibreOffice is when a Mageia build is avaialble. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
I regret that I do not very much like the idea. But if everyone on this list wants it: okay. I think this Welcome center would appear in the very first boot. Just as the welcome page of Mandriva. And with a click, in the X, you remove it and it never appears again. You wouldn't see it in every boot. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] So?
Sorry but, how much time we will still taken to discuss this things and don't do just nothing? I propose to we chose a manager for the project right now. We'll wait as long as it takes to organize the whole thing. I don't think the founder are in beach right now... Mageia needs heavy hardware, Internet connections, and certainly many other things that I'm missing. You need money to by hardware. And you need a legal framework to ask for money and launch the project. Once legal framework is ready, a board of directors will be named. So, in the mean time, PLEASE, avoid to start this kind of rebellions. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] So?
Who is actually the captain, or most contributers ? Who is the team who decide the rules like : to put TXT format and not HTML format in the mail of the list ? Or to speak only in english ? Or to do only RPM and not DEB ? This 3 late days, I have only seen this kind of movement. Sorry, I forgot. Mageia will be a fork ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(software_development) )of Mandriva. Not a whole new distro from scratch. So, Mandriva uses RPM and urpmi. Then, Mageia will use RPM and urpmi. Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
