Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
Florian Hubold wrote: Hate to do that, but could we please focus on the topic of the thread and not dream about the next best thing in operating systems? We should focus on getting our base cleaned up, and to get a stable and good quality release out the door, This should be our top priority, and not endless discussions what everybody would wish for. +1 Salut, Sinner
Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
Marc Paré wrote: Thanks for posting the site Tux99. There was talk of more user groups doing the poll/survey. Does anyone know if this is being done? Great data for the devs to consider. Marc This in the Spanish-speaking Mandriva community BlogDrake: http://blogdrake.net/encuesta/que-tipo-de-ciclo-de-releases-deberia-tener- mageia In case the URL gets cut, here it is shortened with Bit.ly: http://bit.ly/am7Ivg Salut, Sinner
Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
Tux99 wrote: Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00 Enabling them by default defies the purpose of having backports at all; it's not for new users, it's more for slightly experienced users or power users who want the latest versions of apps. That's exactly the crucial bit that IMHO needs to change, backports are very interesting for 'normal' users so we should make sure normal users can use them. I believe you are both right: * backports are for power users * Mandriva/Mageia are power users [*] [*] 1. they chose Linux. 2. They chose a Not Ubuntu distro So, what about? 1. Changing name of backports to something more dscriptive 2. Making backports part of official repos 3. NOT activating backports repo by default. Salut, Sinner
Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
Tux99 wrote: I guess the old rule of polls applies: depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of the options you can hugely influence the results... This is so true. I follow the politics blog FiveThirtyEight (warning! statistics nerd alert activated!) and again and again, strange-resulting polls are caused by poorly formulated questions, guided answers or lack of proper options. Personally I think a poll without educating everyone about what exactly each choice would mean is useless. We first need to elaborate detailed alternatives before anyone can make an informed choice. This is mostly what Romain has been asking: someone to provide clear definitions of what Rolling Release is. And why Backports does not work. Salut, Sinner
Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
Fernando Parra wrote: (Finally, it would not be as strict versions of certain components. If, for example morning out mageia 2010 (for instance) and the day after Firefox 4.0 comes out, you do not run the 3.6.x version with all the time,) That's very clear, these users are trying to say: We want a different model, but we want a stable distro As we have been saying over and over again, this only indicates zero knowledge of backports repositories. We should publicize more Backports. Salut, Sinner
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc
Wolfgang Bornath wrote: It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those dumb users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation process telling me that my hardware may need/use a non-free driver which is available online. The text explains about the non-free status in simple words and then I was asked if I wanted to activate this non-free driver. The same can be done with all that codec stuff. A window opens, telling the user that he will need some special software to listen to MP3s, watch his commercial DVDs, etc. The text explains in simple words the legal implications which may or may not apply to his country. After that he can decide with a simple mouse click on yes or no or ask later (if he has no working internet connection at that time. If he clicks on activate, the needed software will be downloaded and installed. If he clicks on ask later he will be asked as soon as the script detects a working internet connection. If he has selected No and still tries to open a commecrial DVD (or whatever) the window ill appear again reminding him why he can't play the DVD (or whatever). Face it: we do not have any other choice but leave it at the user's decision. All we can do is make it simple if he chooses to bite the bullet. Wolfgang, Well done. Even I understood that. Mageia, as a foundation, will be separated form legal proceedings by passing the burden of the decision to the end user, as a flexible way of acknowledging that laws are not the same everywhere, and the end-user will (should) be better informed than an automated script of what is allowed and not. And if the end user decides to break the law, it is the end user's responsibility. Salut, Sinner
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc
Michael Scherer wrote: So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace ibiblio.org ? I'm pretty sure ibiblio.org will host Mageia mirror. Salut, Sinner
Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
Raphaël Jadot wrote: 2010/10/6 Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanraes-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org: This is non-sensical; i will never choose Centos for a server, if i was to have a bug, where would i go with it??? http://www.centos.org/ click on support :) If you need commercial support, there are small companies that can help in maintaining your servers. And you can always go to RedHat or to any business providing support to RHEL: CentOS is binary-compatible with RHEL. Salut, Sinner This transmission is intended for the use of the entity or individual to which or whom it is addressed. The transmission or any documents accompanying the transmission may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of the transmission or the documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential transmission in error, please destroy it and any accompanying documents and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.
Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
Juan Luis Baptiste wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Fernando Parra gato2...@yahoo.com.mx wrote: A different approach could be a light rolling distro, let me explain. A distro with a selected number of programs updated regular as their new versions are available. That's what backports are for, no need for a light rolling distro, just contribute and help doing the backports for different Mageia versions if you really want them. That's what I do and it was one of the main reasons to become a contrib packager :) I totally agree with both Juan Luis Baptiste and Buchan Milne. No rolling release! This is just a fancy word. But then, the goals of rolling release are already accomplished with the current Mandriva system, and I hope Mageia will keep this functionality: backports Probably, what needs to happen is to publicize more backports for advanced/cutting edge/rolling users instead of changing something that is not broken. Salut, Sinner
Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers
Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2010/10/2 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: So I say no to this idea. Asking useless questions just add burden to the user. People that have a preferred browser know how to install it, those that don't do not care enough. Reasonable. Can also be applied to other such things like OOo (LO) vs koffice, kmail vs TB or other such big applications with many alternatives. +1 My thoughts exactly. Salut, Sinner
Re: [Mageia-dev] I would like to help...
Jorge Félez wrote: Hello I would like to help with spanish translation, testing the 64 or 32 bits desktop edition and maybe making some packages. Please let me know how can I help this new community :) Hi Jorge! Please join the wiki at http://www.mageia.org/wiki/ and the translating team at http://Blogdrake.net Salut, Sinner ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
