Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
On 16.07.2011 15:17, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 16 July 2011 14:02, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote: On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name: flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a choice to install the version they want. WDYT? I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta' for both cauldron and mga1. I had started working on flash-player-plugin11 yesterday (based on the current spec and the old PLF flash-player10.2). I've imported it in Cauldron. @Anssi (since you worked on the flash spec the most), please review, feel free to fix anything I missed. I removed an unwanted old obsoletes and made conflicts unversioned (as it indeed conflicts with all versions). Otherwise looks ok if it works. -- Anssi Hannula
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
On 17 July 2011 13:09, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote: On 16.07.2011 15:17, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 16 July 2011 14:02, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote: On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name: flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a choice to install the version they want. WDYT? I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta' for both cauldron and mga1. I had started working on flash-player-plugin11 yesterday (based on the current spec and the old PLF flash-player10.2). I've imported it in Cauldron. @Anssi (since you worked on the flash spec the most), please review, feel free to fix anything I missed. I removed an unwanted old obsoletes and made conflicts unversioned (as it indeed conflicts with all versions). Otherwise looks ok if it works. Thanks for the review, it works AFAICS, I tested both x86_64 and i586. Submitting to Cauldron for now. -- Anssi Hannula -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
Le dimanche 17 juillet 2011 à 11:49 +0100, Margot a écrit : So, if someone *from Mageia* is prepared to support 64-bit Flash 11 - including providing simple instructions for uninstalling it if it proves to cause problems or is a security risk - then I can see no reason why it should not be provided as a supported backport. I may have misunderstood what you wrote, but my idea of support is not say how to remove if there is a problem :/ -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
Am 16.07.2011 11:11, schrieb Anssi Hannula: On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name: flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a choice to install the version they want. WDYT? I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta' for both cauldron and mga1. +1
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
On 16 July 2011 02:57, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 à 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? Yes, I do. That's a beta, and stable is not a dumping ground for that. Right, let's do a head count: Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta 1, please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been using it for 2-3 days). The point, if there's no other easy way to watch flash for 64bit users without jumping through hoops (using nspluginwrapper, which is occasionally problematic, or using a 32bit browser on an x86_64 system, which entails installing some more 32bit libs), there's a good chance they'll use flash 11, alpha/beta/rc is still better than the hoops. Also we're talking about pushing it to backports, not updates. Anyway, since I am personally not affected by the whole issue, I am not pushing to submit to mga1, do a poll or whatever, when a consensus is reached we can act accordingly. -- Michael Scherer -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
16.07.2011 10:57, Ahmad Samir kirjutas: Right, let's do a head count: Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta 1, please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been using it for 2-3 days). +1 This beta works OK, a lot better than any other option on 64-bit systems. -- Sander
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
2011/7/16 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com: On 16 July 2011 02:57, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 à 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? Yes, I do. That's a beta, and stable is not a dumping ground for that. Right, let's do a head count: Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta 1, please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been using it for 2-3 days). Same here. The point, if there's no other easy way to watch flash for 64bit users without jumping through hoops (using nspluginwrapper, which is occasionally problematic, or using a 32bit browser on an x86_64 system, which entails installing some more 32bit libs), there's a good chance they'll use flash 11, alpha/beta/rc is still better than the hoops. Also we're talking about pushing it to backports, not updates. Anyway, since I am personally not affected by the whole issue, I am not pushing to submit to mga1, do a poll or whatever, when a consensus is reached we can act accordingly. Yes, sure, no need to hurry. For those who do not know how to install it from the Adobe site somebody already posted a HowTo in the forum. So, a Mageia package will only be needed for those who can not read, all others will already have it installed by then. But what do I know about technical things -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 à 10:57 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 16 July 2011 02:57, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 à 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? Yes, I do. That's a beta, and stable is not a dumping ground for that. Right, let's do a head count: Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta 1, please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been using it for 2-3 days). The point, if there's no other easy way to watch flash for 64bit users without jumping through hoops (using nspluginwrapper, which is occasionally problematic, or using a 32bit browser on an x86_64 system, which entails installing some more 32bit libs), there's a good chance they'll use flash 11, alpha/beta/rc is still better than the hoops. Also we're talking about pushing it to backports, not updates. I think we were all agreeing to raise confidence in backports. I think we can also all agree that if Adobe say that's a beta version, they are likely more knowledgeable than us about this too. Is the plugin supported by adobe ? Being still beta, I would say it is not for now. Some of us may have forgot, but they did withdraw the 64 bits version plugin in the past with any communication, because it was insecure and unsupported, and already a beta version. We can also agree that taking the same policy regarding backporting than at Mandriva will just yield the same result, ie saying it is not supported, so use it at your own risk. And so, if we want to send the message backports are supported, we should just act accordingly, and not send unsupported softwares to it. The plugin may work fine now on the machine of everybody, it would still be unsupported by adobe. -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
Quiet is good! I will say more quiet isn't bad... As long as all bugs and security issues are fixed, why make unnecessary noise? Funny bugzilla query: Status: NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED Version: 1 ... 354 bugs found. But i don't want to make noise :p -- Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
I think your words are wise, and you're right since we want to enhance backports credibility. But i also think that we could give that package at least in backports/testing maybe with a -beta suffix to halp those of whom don't want to download flashplayer from adobe site directly and that maybe to send another message to mga1 users (expecially 64 bits arch ones), like we can't support that, but we don't forget about you :) -- Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote: On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name: flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a choice to install the version they want. WDYT? I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta' for both cauldron and mga1. I had started working on flash-player-plugin11 yesterday (based on the current spec and the old PLF flash-player10.2). -- Anssi Hannula -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
On 16 July 2011 14:02, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote: On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name: flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a choice to install the version they want. WDYT? I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta' for both cauldron and mga1. I had started working on flash-player-plugin11 yesterday (based on the current spec and the old PLF flash-player10.2). I've imported it in Cauldron. @Anssi (since you worked on the flash spec the most), please review, feel free to fix anything I missed. -- Anssi Hannula -- Ahmad Samir -- Ahmad Samir
[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name: flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a choice to install the version they want. WDYT? -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 15/07/11 09:10 did gyre and gimble: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. I'd offer it in main/testing for both arches personally... breaking the rules somewhat but it does at least make life easier for debugging and triaging anyway to keep things consistent on both arches. - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? Yes (IMO) Col -- Colin Guthrie mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mageia Contributor [http://www.mageia.org/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/]
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
On 15 July 2011 11:34, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 15/07/11 09:10 did gyre and gimble: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. I'd offer it in main/testing for both arches personally... breaking the rules somewhat but it does at least make life easier for debugging and triaging anyway to keep things consistent on both arches. But it's still a beta, with a it'll be release before the end of 2011 which is pretty elastic in terms of ETA - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? Yes (IMO) Col -- Colin Guthrie mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mageia Contributor [http://www.mageia.org/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
venerdì 15 luglio 2011 alle 10:10, Ahmad Samir ha scritto: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. I'm in favour with some doubts though. Some people think mageia is quiet... so maybe we should start to increase updates/backports and improving people feelings... I say that without using that much mga1, but some days ago updates were so little... The big problem with this package though is that if it is buggy and moreover for security reasons, it isn't so upstream responsive, at least for x86_64 till now... - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? i vote for that, cauldron is cauldron and we can revert or change things before freeze time, some months of testing will show us upstream movements also... Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
2011/7/15 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com Hello. - Any objections about offering it in mga1? No I agree. - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? I vote for that. WDYT? -- Ahmad Samir I think, as Angelo wrote, that the updates for mga1 should be increased, and that's why I'll start to help the QA team to test packages. -- Thanks Stblack
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
On 15 July 2011 11:55, Angelo Naselli anase...@linux.it wrote: venerdì 15 luglio 2011 alle 10:10, Ahmad Samir ha scritto: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. I'm in favour with some doubts though. Some people think mageia is quiet... so maybe we should start to increase updates/backports and improving people feelings... You mean create hype with updates? just updating for updating's sake is not useful, for me at least, unless an update fixes a bug in a package I am using. I say that without using that much mga1, but some days ago updates were so little... The big problem with this package though is that if it is buggy and moreover for security reasons, it isn't so upstream responsive, at least for x86_64 till now... I don't have hard numbers, but my guess would be that a lot of x86_64 users are already using the 11 beta1. adding it in the repos is just a convenience sort of thing (the same with packaging a binary blob that doesn't need compiling... even more so if the package in question is a skeleton package that downloads a tarball/rpm from upstream when the user installs a package). - For Cauldron: o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch? i vote for that, cauldron is cauldron and we can revert or change things before freeze time, some months of testing will show us upstream movements also... [] Angelo -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
venerdì 15 luglio 2011 alle 12:37, Ahmad Samir ha scritto: Some people think mageia is quiet... so maybe we should start to increase updates/backports and improving people feelings... You mean create hype with updates? just updating for updating's sake is not useful, for me at least, unless an update fixes a bug in a package I am using. agree with that, what i meant is just improving our update process we're focusing on packaging mentoring maybe we should do more on QA... don't know, what i mean is let's see we're alive... Note that i know we are... ;) Angelo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:37:49 +0300 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 July 2011 11:55, Angelo Naselli anase...@linux.it wrote: venerdì 15 luglio 2011 alle 10:10, Ahmad Samir ha scritto: Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an improvement, IMHO. I'm in favour with some doubts though. Some people think mageia is quiet... so maybe we should start to increase updates/backports and improving people feelings... You mean create hype with updates? just updating for updating's sake is not useful, for me at least, unless an update fixes a bug in a package I am using. Quiet is good! As long as all bugs and security issues are fixed, why make unnecessary noise? -- Margot ~~ **Otford Ducks Computers** We teach, you learn... ...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you! ~~
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
Ahmad Samir skrev 15.7.2011 12:43: On 15 July 2011 11:34, Colin Guthriemag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: I'd offer it in main/testing for both arches personally... breaking the rules somewhat but it does at least make life easier for debugging and triaging anyway to keep things consistent on both arches. But it's still a beta, with a it'll be release before the end of 2011 which is pretty elastic in terms of ETA _if_ we provide it for mageia 1, it belongs in backports(_testing), not updates(_testing) -- Thomas
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
On 15 July 2011 14:17, Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org wrote: Ahmad Samir skrev 15.7.2011 12:43: On 15 July 2011 11:34, Colin Guthriemag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: I'd offer it in main/testing for both arches personally... breaking the rules somewhat but it does at least make life easier for debugging and triaging anyway to keep things consistent on both arches. But it's still a beta, with a it'll be release before the end of 2011 which is pretty elastic in terms of ETA _if_ we provide it for mageia 1, it belongs in backports(_testing), not updates(_testing) Good point, I didn't say where I'd submit it (but somehow I was thinking updates_testing...), you're right, should be backports. -- Thomas -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 à 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a écrit : Hello. As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions: - Any objections about offering it in mga1? Yes, I do. That's a beta, and stable is not a dumping ground for that. -- Michael Scherer
