Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > Op maandag 27 december 2010 17:52:43 schreef Hoyt Duff: >> On 12/27/10, Maarten Vanraes wrote: >> > or packager could instead of doing all that work, fix it... >> >> That would be ideal, but probably not realistic. Many bugs are to be >> fixed upstream. >> >> Perhaps no bugs should be imported and packager could follow MDV >> Bugzilla to see if, when and how they are fixed. Mageia bug reports >> should be triaged on their own. After all, they are now Mageia >> packages. > > i was thinking the same thing > And if we could improve the triage process with better education to the users/submitters so they provide better infos at the beginning, that would be a big help. IIRC, there are very good MDB triage docs (how to do debugging, get more infos, etc) but they were intended for the triage team and not obvious to the submitter. -- Hoyt
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Op maandag 27 december 2010 17:52:43 schreef Hoyt Duff: > On 12/27/10, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > > or packager could instead of doing all that work, fix it... > > That would be ideal, but probably not realistic. Many bugs are to be > fixed upstream. > > Perhaps no bugs should be imported and packager could follow MDV > Bugzilla to see if, when and how they are fixed. Mageia bug reports > should be triaged on their own. After all, they are now Mageia > packages. i was thinking the same thing
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Hoyt Duff wrote: > On 12/27/10, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > > > > > or packager could instead of doing all that work, fix it... > > > > That would be ideal, but probably not realistic. Many bugs are to be > fixed upstream. > > Perhaps no bugs should be imported and packager could follow MDV > Bugzilla to see if, when and how they are fixed. Mageia bug reports > should be triaged on their own. After all, they are now Mageia > packages. > > -- > Hoyt > I agree to that. I think it would be better to create the bugs in our bugzilla until they are found. Maybe while importing the packages from Mandriva they are fixed already in Mandriva without recognising it. It's better to start with a clean bugzilla then having such old bugs which i think won't be fixed at all. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Greetings Daniel Kreuter
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
On 12/27/10, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > > or packager could instead of doing all that work, fix it... > That would be ideal, but probably not realistic. Many bugs are to be fixed upstream. Perhaps no bugs should be imported and packager could follow MDV Bugzilla to see if, when and how they are fixed. Mageia bug reports should be triaged on their own. After all, they are now Mageia packages. -- Hoyt
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Op maandag 27 december 2010 15:41:49 schreef andre999: > Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > > Op maandag 27 december 2010 14:44:11 schreef andre999: > >> Note that when Mageia bugzilla is set up, current proposals are to > >> import MDV bugs - at least the current ones. > >> So posting the bug on MDV bugzilla, with the proposed solution is the > >> best bet for now. > >> We can (collectively) try to ensure that it is corrected in Mageia once > >> imported, even if nothing happens in MDV. > > > > i don't want to restart the whole argument, but i only partly agree, > > > > i would say it's the packager's responsibility to import the bugs from > > mdv, if they are required while importing the package? perhaps. > > > > while i would not like dual bugs, also importing the whole buglist seems > > a bit over the top. > > Don't you find that I'm pretty good at suggesting things that go a bit > over the top ? ;) i have some idea of that > That said, your version much better reflects the discussions. > And I totally agree. > > BTW, it would be nice to have a tool to facilitate easy importing of > bugs by the packager. Particularly selective importing. > If one doesn't already exist. or packager could instead of doing all that work, fix it... I can't remember anymore what was decided; if anything was decided; so when the moment comes, i'll take a look there
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op maandag 27 december 2010 14:44:11 schreef andre999: Note that when Mageia bugzilla is set up, current proposals are to import MDV bugs - at least the current ones. So posting the bug on MDV bugzilla, with the proposed solution is the best bet for now. We can (collectively) try to ensure that it is corrected in Mageia once imported, even if nothing happens in MDV. i don't want to restart the whole argument, but i only partly agree, i would say it's the packager's responsibility to import the bugs from mdv, if they are required while importing the package? perhaps. while i would not like dual bugs, also importing the whole buglist seems a bit over the top. Don't you find that I'm pretty good at suggesting things that go a bit over the top ? ;) That said, your version much better reflects the discussions. And I totally agree. BTW, it would be nice to have a tool to facilitate easy importing of bugs by the packager. Particularly selective importing. If one doesn't already exist.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Op maandag 27 december 2010 14:44:11 schreef andre999: > Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > > Op zondag 26 december 2010 09:50:34 schreef Marc Paré: > >> I was just recently reminded of this on a Mdv list. Is there a way to > >> make the setting of NFS shares easier for users. Way back in Mandriva > >> 2008 the NFS process was very well done and users would only have to > >> establish NFS shares with other computers and the etc/fstab was properly > >> written. > >> > >> Since Mdv 2009 the process seems to have been broken and I have had to > >> go into the fstab and change manually the pathway to from "computername" > >> to "ip pathway". > >> > >> I had posted the fix on the MDV forums and put in a bug for this. I am > >> not sure if my bug was not well written and maybe that is why it was > >> never really taken up by the dev team. > >> > >> You can find the post here: > >> http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=113793 and you will > >> find the process to establish NFS shares at the very bottom of the post. > >> NOTE that the shortcut to the bugzilla no longer works. > >> > >> I still use this process with MDV2010.2 and set my fstab by hand. I have > >> 4 networked MDV boxes in the house and they all use NFS shares. > >> > >> It would be nice if this were fixed with Mageia as it would be quite an > >> advantage from a user's point of view as this would make the setting of > >> shares fullproof. Setting up of NFS shares could then be advertised as a > >> positive point from a marketing point of view. > >> > >> Note the the setting of NFS shares comes up constantly on helplists and > >> most of these involve the fstab. > >> > >> Marc > > Note that when Mageia bugzilla is set up, current proposals are to > import MDV bugs - at least the current ones. > So posting the bug on MDV bugzilla, with the proposed solution is the > best bet for now. > We can (collectively) try to ensure that it is corrected in Mageia once > imported, even if nothing happens in MDV. i don't want to restart the whole argument, but i only partly agree, i would say it's the packager's responsibility to import the bugs from mdv, if they are required while importing the package? perhaps. while i would not like dual bugs, also importing the whole buglist seems a bit over the top. > > while we're on the subject, imo, user accessible NFS shares could be used > > with the notification area; like it was a USB disk, then people can > > mount/unmount it easier; or perhaps less problems if network is suddenly > > disabled and we have mounted NFS hosts. > > Good idea. That should go into bugzilla too. > > André > > André
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zondag 26 december 2010 09:50:34 schreef Marc Paré: I was just recently reminded of this on a Mdv list. Is there a way to make the setting of NFS shares easier for users. Way back in Mandriva 2008 the NFS process was very well done and users would only have to establish NFS shares with other computers and the etc/fstab was properly written. Since Mdv 2009 the process seems to have been broken and I have had to go into the fstab and change manually the pathway to from "computername" to "ip pathway". I had posted the fix on the MDV forums and put in a bug for this. I am not sure if my bug was not well written and maybe that is why it was never really taken up by the dev team. You can find the post here: http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=113793 and you will find the process to establish NFS shares at the very bottom of the post. NOTE that the shortcut to the bugzilla no longer works. I still use this process with MDV2010.2 and set my fstab by hand. I have 4 networked MDV boxes in the house and they all use NFS shares. It would be nice if this were fixed with Mageia as it would be quite an advantage from a user's point of view as this would make the setting of shares fullproof. Setting up of NFS shares could then be advertised as a positive point from a marketing point of view. Note the the setting of NFS shares comes up constantly on helplists and most of these involve the fstab. Marc Note that when Mageia bugzilla is set up, current proposals are to import MDV bugs - at least the current ones. So posting the bug on MDV bugzilla, with the proposed solution is the best bet for now. We can (collectively) try to ensure that it is corrected in Mageia once imported, even if nothing happens in MDV. while we're on the subject, imo, user accessible NFS shares could be used with the notification area; like it was a USB disk, then people can mount/unmount it easier; or perhaps less problems if network is suddenly disabled and we have mounted NFS hosts. Good idea. That should go into bugzilla too. André André
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Op maandag 27 december 2010 07:20:09 schreef Marc Paré: > Le 2010-12-26 17:29, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > > Op zondag 26 december 2010 09:50:34 schreef Marc Paré: > >> I was just recently reminded of this on a Mdv list. Is there a way to > >> make the setting of NFS shares easier for users. Way back in Mandriva > >> 2008 the NFS process was very well done and users would only have to > >> establish NFS shares with other computers and the etc/fstab was properly > >> written. > >> > >> Since Mdv 2009 the process seems to have been broken and I have had to > >> go into the fstab and change manually the pathway to from "computername" > >> to "ip pathway". > >> > >> I had posted the fix on the MDV forums and put in a bug for this. I am > >> not sure if my bug was not well written and maybe that is why it was > >> never really taken up by the dev team. > >> > >> You can find the post here: > >> http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=113793 and you will > >> find the process to establish NFS shares at the very bottom of the post. > >> NOTE that the shortcut to the bugzilla no longer works. > >> > >> I still use this process with MDV2010.2 and set my fstab by hand. I have > >> 4 networked MDV boxes in the house and they all use NFS shares. > >> > >> It would be nice if this were fixed with Mageia as it would be quite an > >> advantage from a user's point of view as this would make the setting of > >> shares fullproof. Setting up of NFS shares could then be advertised as a > >> positive point from a marketing point of view. > >> > >> Note the the setting of NFS shares comes up constantly on helplists and > >> most of these involve the fstab. > >> > >> Marc > > > > while we're on the subject, imo, user accessible NFS shares could be used > > with the notification area; like it was a USB disk, then people can > > mount/unmount it easier; or perhaps less problems if network is suddenly > > disabled and we have mounted NFS hosts. > > This would certainly be quite handy as many households have more than 1 > computer and they could then manage share easier. > > Marc indeed
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Le 2010-12-26 17:29, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zondag 26 december 2010 09:50:34 schreef Marc Paré: I was just recently reminded of this on a Mdv list. Is there a way to make the setting of NFS shares easier for users. Way back in Mandriva 2008 the NFS process was very well done and users would only have to establish NFS shares with other computers and the etc/fstab was properly written. Since Mdv 2009 the process seems to have been broken and I have had to go into the fstab and change manually the pathway to from "computername" to "ip pathway". I had posted the fix on the MDV forums and put in a bug for this. I am not sure if my bug was not well written and maybe that is why it was never really taken up by the dev team. You can find the post here: http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=113793 and you will find the process to establish NFS shares at the very bottom of the post. NOTE that the shortcut to the bugzilla no longer works. I still use this process with MDV2010.2 and set my fstab by hand. I have 4 networked MDV boxes in the house and they all use NFS shares. It would be nice if this were fixed with Mageia as it would be quite an advantage from a user's point of view as this would make the setting of shares fullproof. Setting up of NFS shares could then be advertised as a positive point from a marketing point of view. Note the the setting of NFS shares comes up constantly on helplists and most of these involve the fstab. Marc while we're on the subject, imo, user accessible NFS shares could be used with the notification area; like it was a USB disk, then people can mount/unmount it easier; or perhaps less problems if network is suddenly disabled and we have mounted NFS hosts. This would certainly be quite handy as many households have more than 1 computer and they could then manage share easier. Marc
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Op zondag 26 december 2010 09:50:34 schreef Marc Paré: > I was just recently reminded of this on a Mdv list. Is there a way to > make the setting of NFS shares easier for users. Way back in Mandriva > 2008 the NFS process was very well done and users would only have to > establish NFS shares with other computers and the etc/fstab was properly > written. > > Since Mdv 2009 the process seems to have been broken and I have had to > go into the fstab and change manually the pathway to from "computername" > to "ip pathway". > > I had posted the fix on the MDV forums and put in a bug for this. I am > not sure if my bug was not well written and maybe that is why it was > never really taken up by the dev team. > > You can find the post here: > http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=113793 and you will > find the process to establish NFS shares at the very bottom of the post. > NOTE that the shortcut to the bugzilla no longer works. > > I still use this process with MDV2010.2 and set my fstab by hand. I have > 4 networked MDV boxes in the house and they all use NFS shares. > > It would be nice if this were fixed with Mageia as it would be quite an > advantage from a user's point of view as this would make the setting of > shares fullproof. Setting up of NFS shares could then be advertised as a > positive point from a marketing point of view. > > Note the the setting of NFS shares comes up constantly on helplists and > most of these involve the fstab. > > Marc while we're on the subject, imo, user accessible NFS shares could be used with the notification area; like it was a USB disk, then people can mount/unmount it easier; or perhaps less problems if network is suddenly disabled and we have mounted NFS hosts.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Le 2010-12-26 12:17, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Marc Paré mailto:m...@marcpare.com>> wrote: Le 2010-12-26 07:16, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : Should I submit this as a bug? Do we have a bugzilla? Marc We should submit it as a bug when we are sure it will exist in Mageia and no at the moment we don't have bugzilla yet, but the guys are working on it. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Greetings Daniel Kreuter Thanks. I'll tag it on my reader for a review later. Cheers Marc
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-12-26 07:16, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : > > Should I submit this as a bug? Do we have a bugzilla? > > Marc > > We should submit it as a bug when we are sure it will exist in Mageia and no at the moment we don't have bugzilla yet, but the guys are working on it. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Greetings Daniel Kreuter
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
Le 2010-12-26 07:16, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : Hi Daniel We can try to fix the problem, but at first I think we will just build a copy of Mandriva, change all elements from Mandriva like Icons, Logos etc to the one's from Mageia and when system is running we will fix things so they will be easier for our users. Should I submit this as a bug? Do we have a bugzilla? Marc
Re: [Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
On Sunday 26 December 2010 09:50:34 Marc Paré wrote: > I was just recently reminded of this on a Mdv list. Is there a way to > make the setting of NFS shares easier for users. Way back in Mandriva > 2008 the NFS process was very well done and users would only have to > establish NFS shares with other computers and the etc/fstab was properly > written. > > Since Mdv 2009 the process seems to have been broken and I have had to > go into the fstab and change manually the pathway to from "computername" > to "ip pathway". > > I had posted the fix on the MDV forums and put in a bug for this. I am > not sure if my bug was not well written and maybe that is why it was > never really taken up by the dev team. > > You can find the post here: > http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=113793 and you will > find the process to establish NFS shares at the very bottom of the post. > NOTE that the shortcut to the bugzilla no longer works. > > I still use this process with MDV2010.2 and set my fstab by hand. I have > 4 networked MDV boxes in the house and they all use NFS shares. > > It would be nice if this were fixed with Mageia as it would be quite an > advantage from a user's point of view as this would make the setting of > shares fullproof. Setting up of NFS shares could then be advertised as a > positive point from a marketing point of view. > > Note the the setting of NFS shares comes up constantly on helplists and > most of these involve the fstab. > > Marc We can try to fix the problem, but at first I think we will just build a copy of Mandriva, change all elements from Mandriva like Icons, Logos etc to the one's from Mageia and when system is running we will fix things so they will be easier for our users.
[Mageia-dev] Setting NFS shars and making the process more user friendly
I was just recently reminded of this on a Mdv list. Is there a way to make the setting of NFS shares easier for users. Way back in Mandriva 2008 the NFS process was very well done and users would only have to establish NFS shares with other computers and the etc/fstab was properly written. Since Mdv 2009 the process seems to have been broken and I have had to go into the fstab and change manually the pathway to from "computername" to "ip pathway". I had posted the fix on the MDV forums and put in a bug for this. I am not sure if my bug was not well written and maybe that is why it was never really taken up by the dev team. You can find the post here: http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=113793 and you will find the process to establish NFS shares at the very bottom of the post. NOTE that the shortcut to the bugzilla no longer works. I still use this process with MDV2010.2 and set my fstab by hand. I have 4 networked MDV boxes in the house and they all use NFS shares. It would be nice if this were fixed with Mageia as it would be quite an advantage from a user's point of view as this would make the setting of shares fullproof. Setting up of NFS shares could then be advertised as a positive point from a marketing point of view. Note the the setting of NFS shares comes up constantly on helplists and most of these involve the fstab. Marc
