Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I think MCC2 should just be seen as an experiment until there is enough done that it actually looks like a usable tool. Even the planning is just a fuzzy idea, no concrete plans yet. I think this should be considered as valid. I'm in favor to have a branch that could be delivered as an alternative to mcc in mga3 if we reach the goal to have a stable and not complete moving. So not a replacement but a way to the future. In the mean while i'm looking for the alternative proposal as well that could be helpful in any case. About coding, Steven if you have in mind what you want as ui, we can ask for the svn branch and start sharing the task. I cannot say i have 24h a day free, more likely some a week (at night for the most) but what i want to say is you're not alone and the project is big. About libYui, i got in touch with the main developer, and told me there is a IRC channel #libyui and git project on github is very active at the moment, they are very happy to get feedback and patches from other distros, (they also moved to cmake) but the next milestone is after yast will be fully adapted to libyui. So we could consider to have git version of libyui to have all up to date and fixed. WDYT? Angelo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/2m6sACgkQqEs9DA4DquDgXgCeKm+r5cb9DCp5m0L1zG/f4eQa FSQAoLmbxdrbOleww0gj9EHmzPFBYXJR =Cu/5 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
On 28/06/2012 00:02, Angelo Naselli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the proposal[1] has been accepted snip and has to be merged with mine[3] and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help. [1] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc [3] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview Hi, Documentation team is planning to write the currently missing help for MCC and all the tools in it. We don't have a clue whether the above feature proposals, if implemented, will make a difference to what we have to do, and if so: what difference. Also, it is interesting to know whether you're willing to improve the way the help will work if we do it the Mandriva way. It would be great if the not working links would be fixed, and if it would be possible to let the help from the menu bar link to the correct file for each screen, instead of to a page with links you have to choose from. Please read on to understand what I'm talking about. If nothing would change to MCC, we would have to provide *html* files with same names as Mdv used, to be put in the same place and s/mandriva/mageia/ For Mandriva 2010.1 the following section in MCC, and usually for all the tools in that section, the help (from the menu bar) links to a page with links to other pages: * Software Management - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management.html (The same page can be seen here http://doc.mandriva.com/en/2010/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management.html You can, of course, find the other pages mentioned below by adjusting this link) Exception: Software Management - Configure media sources for install and update - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management-sources.html * Hardware - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-hardware.html Exception: Manage your hardware - Browse and configure hardware - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/harddrake.html * Network - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-network.html * System - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-system.html Exception: Administration tools - Manage users on system - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/userdrake.html * Network Sharing -X No Help entry for However, the help is available in /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-networksharing.html Exception: Configure Windows(R) shares - Share drives and directories with Windows (SMB) systems - /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/index.html however, this page can give an error, and the *correct* help file seems to be /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/draksambashare.html * Local Disks - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-localdisks.html Note: Local Disks - Manage disk partitions clicking the help button at the *bottom* of the screen gives /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/diskdrake.html * Security - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-security.html Exception: Security - Configure system security, permissions and audit: The two items in the drop-down help menu are greyed out, clicking them doesn't work * Boot - /usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-boot.html Please, when you reply to this mail, keep in mind that I'm not a developer and not even a packager. Cheers, Marja
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Il 05/07/2012 10:59, Marja van Waes ha scritto: On 28/06/2012 00:02, Angelo Naselli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the proposal[1] has been accepted snip and has to be merged with mine[3] and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help. [1] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc [3] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview Hi, Documentation team is planning to write the currently missing help for MCC and all the tools in it. We don't have a clue whether the above feature proposals, if implemented, will make a difference to what we have to do, and if so: what difference. As far as link [3] is concerned the idea is to add qt4 and maybe kde4 front-end to mcc also, so nothing should change either on functionality or on options/programs positions, just the availability to have a more kde friendly look. About link[1] the idea is not mine I'd leave Steven talking about it better. As far as I understood functionalities should not change and the hope is that either the mcc look for the most, but that depends imo on how the interface will be implemented and how we will able to add what we have now, since i believe we can't re-write all... Cheers, Angelo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/18TsACgkQqEs9DA4DquBdYQCgt3Br62AUTlMx/GKpFFjjpho0 j64AoLFDbnqSukxM7HzoEWc4O9yHL9qd =0PH4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker wrote: Okay, so as promised I am ready to start on MCC2. I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++, to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron. I'll start writing out some formal plans, but I have been giving some thought to the code and am starting to form a general overview of how I think it could be coded. I'll report back once the perl binding arrive and I have some code and plans ready. Cheers Steven Hi all, I had no much time to work on the perl binding for libyui during the past week. I was working on the libyui-ncurses package (-qt and -gtk are already available and working) but I encountered some difficulties and now Angelo is helping me so I can start to port libyui bindings. Regards - -- Matteo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJP8Vc4AAoJED3LowjDDWbNHUEH/iDyWUhR1zfQ8GxcGG2zUqx7 znILNQ82eADBmrj8ssixWbaB+dO2woh9oacJCVACUWl0P8Wn29lXQwX7uocK7KCR fKbnNBmRadzeGPZrimenvnSJtDVIgchgmDF/5AYkW38z9tkYgh1FTTMxHtuxI6Hv dvTc+vlZzm/BufYlyaF3MV05tX+8OyqffBQtDKhqKJWKT4J8dGBqqSwZWdp+1aK1 gX2RTKoa8aO+7c0J7lpZqlSAMlxsoTxM+4R60g8eoyGzcCsxzuqOYrz9w8bV6hnz 4tXjdrhLvMD5q+2u66udA/xWd0ZYQWztNLFM482eXJRPkECKsNBH/rNdRsQGL8U= =Xsxi -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Il 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker ha scritto: I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++, to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron. A little question here, libyui on sourceforge seems to be stopped at release 2.21.1 -about one year ago- and OpenSouse ships 2.21.4 but they call it as yast2-XXX, git repository does not have any way to build from source but using y2tool, i have a opensouse vm, so i could try to start from there, but is that the right way to move? I mean every time we have a new version we should have an opnesuse machine, or better we should understand if libyui is dead? Maybe forking a y2tool? I'm a bit confused Angelo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/xhMgACgkQqEs9DA4DquALfACglNsXofdxsIzBSlwbcpzaUu+y 9X8AnRzWN8SDj9o6sz/04dXU7yC374uL =T4Rw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 02/07/2012 13:23, Angelo Naselli ha scritto: Hi, Il 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker ha scritto: I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++, to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron. A little question here, libyui on sourceforge seems to be stopped at release 2.21.1 -about one year ago- and OpenSouse ships 2.21.4 but they call it as yast2-XXX, git repository does not have any way to build from source but using y2tool, i have a opensouse vm, so i could try to start from there, but is that the right way to move? I mean every time we have a new version we should have an opnesuse machine, or better we should understand if libyui is dead? Maybe forking a y2tool? I'm a bit confused Maybe i was to quick... on github they are using cmake... i'll investigate a little bit better... Angelo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/xkKIACgkQqEs9DA4DquCBCQCglhDrNHgsaI3uhWd4K12HO9Tg XlYAoLSghcrBZj2n+RO92+VD+UAoKrUm =wchq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012, Angelo Naselli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Il 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker ha scritto: I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++, to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron. A little question here, libyui on sourceforge seems to be stopped at release 2.21.1 -about one year ago- and OpenSouse ships 2.21.4 but they call it as yast2-XXX, git repository does not have any way to build from source but using y2tool, i have a opensouse vm, so i could try to start from there, but is that the right way to move? I mean every time we have a new version we should have an opnesuse machine, or better we should understand if libyui is dead? It seems their intent is to make this library completly independent of Suse technologies : http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/ So it should build on non-OpenSUSE machine, and if it's not the case you can probably ask them for help. And their git repositories on github seems to have the latest versions tagged : https://github.com/libyui
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 02/07/2012 16:09, nicolas vigier ha scritto: It seems their intent is to make this library completly independent of Suse technologies : http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/ So it should build on non-OpenSUSE machine, and if it's not the case you can probably ask them for help. And their git repositories on github seems to have the latest versions tagged : https://github.com/libyui Yes Nicolas, i so github, master is not builtable yet at least not all and not for me at the moment, i'm trying to get in touch with developers... At the moment we built an old version of libyui-ncurses, at least we can start working on the project :) Angelo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/xxKAACgkQqEs9DA4DquB7iACgpmKMlNxnXclMUdELhvck0Ltp ljoAoLFWx7y4RadM+g6ixSMY5itTrnnn =R3cF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 02/07/2012 10:09, Matteo ha scritto: Hi all, I had no much time to work on the perl binding for libyui during the past week. I was working on the libyui-ncurses package (-qt and -gtk are already available and working) but I encountered some difficulties and now Angelo is helping me so I can start to port libyui bindings. Regards And they've been uploaded. Angelo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/x/y8ACgkQqEs9DA4DquDCrACgpQ9b1QhN20f8csFoKPcUEmH/ zSIAoJuNdo1zb0gQiM9HOXXjwjZQ/LWI =83yd -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
Okay, so as promised I am ready to start on MCC2. I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++, to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron. I'll start writing out some formal plans, but I have been giving some thought to the code and am starting to form a general overview of how I think it could be coded. I'll report back once the perl binding arrive and I have some code and plans ready. Cheers Steven On 28/06/12 09:38, Steven Tucker wrote: Hi Angelo, great to see you put your hand up. My position at the moment, is to get through this week at work, then starting Monday begin work on this project. The first step is to port the relevant libYui and related libraries which is what I had planned to work on next week, but if Matteo is working on this then that will work out great (I am just an apprentice with only 2 packages to date, so perhaps not the best person for that job). To begin with, I planned to make a basic proof of concept Control Centre, so just simply a copy of the current main window of MCC but without any functionality, just to see it work across the widget sets. Then work on a single module to work out some standards and documentation, how to make it as easy as possible for others to come along and add a module. I understand the desire to have everything in the one language (and the obvious choice is perl due to inertia), however I am not personally against individual modules being in python/perl/C++, the reason is that there are people who potentially would add a module but don't want to use a language they are not familiar with and would only use for that module and nothing else. So I guess I would like to give options so that entry to contribution is as easy as it can be. This all started for me when I looked into writing a module I wanted but found very little documentation, and realised it would be more work to make my module available in curses as well at gtk. As far as other contributors, I only have one willing to dive into code, but it is very convenient as we work together (We just finished setting up our new Mageia Cluster and so now are ready for more Mageia goodness :-P ) so a very small group at the moment, but to be honest, I think that is probably a good thing in the early stages. As I said, I have to get through this week at work first, a week of deadlines, but then I can start writing some more concrete plans, and start playing with the code. I'll make contact again in a few days when I am ready to get going. Cheers Tuxta On 28/06/12 08:02, Angelo Naselli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the proposal[1] has been accepted[2] and has to be merged with mine[3] and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help. Il 13/06/2012 14:35, Steven Tucker ha scritto: This proposal may be a bit different to the several others you have seen in that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done. The Ui layer is provided by libYui and friends, and the logic is already there in mcc. With the perl bindings to libYui the effort is no where near as large as a rewrite, which I imagine the several other proposals were. I would prefer it all to be written in C++, but that would be more work than adapting the current perl code, so you see it's not just pie in the sky, I have actually put some thought into it. In a first read i understood the idea was to provide a new gui abstraction layer, and you told me the suggested libYui library is written in C++ with some script bindings (one for all perl) and since I'm not a perl programmer and i know C++ and QT (something on GTk also) i could help. So should i assume you want to rewrite all? Steven, can you please point me and other potential contributors to your plans? Planning is also needed to our proposal to be definitely accepted :) I don't have a lot of spare time, but i will help as much as possible. Matteo Pasotti is adding libyui to mageia repository so we could start using it, I do also believe he's going to help us as well :) Let's start this new adventure... Cheers, Angelo [1] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc [2] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review [3] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/rgusACgkQqEs9DA4DquAJcQCgnYoldmMq1+EdON9q3DhXazVe pi0An0UUHGGMnJ+X33UVmwi92AHgXM1u =wdCu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the proposal[1] has been accepted[2] and has to be merged with mine[3] and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help. Il 13/06/2012 14:35, Steven Tucker ha scritto: This proposal may be a bit different to the several others you have seen in that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done. The Ui layer is provided by libYui and friends, and the logic is already there in mcc. With the perl bindings to libYui the effort is no where near as large as a rewrite, which I imagine the several other proposals were. I would prefer it all to be written in C++, but that would be more work than adapting the current perl code, so you see it's not just pie in the sky, I have actually put some thought into it. In a first read i understood the idea was to provide a new gui abstraction layer, and you told me the suggested libYui library is written in C++ with some script bindings (one for all perl) and since I'm not a perl programmer and i know C++ and QT (something on GTk also) i could help. So should i assume you want to rewrite all? Steven, can you please point me and other potential contributors to your plans? Planning is also needed to our proposal to be definitely accepted :) I don't have a lot of spare time, but i will help as much as possible. Matteo Pasotti is adding libyui to mageia repository so we could start using it, I do also believe he's going to help us as well :) Let's start this new adventure... Cheers, Angelo [1] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc [2] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review [3] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/rgusACgkQqEs9DA4DquAJcQCgnYoldmMq1+EdON9q3DhXazVe pi0An0UUHGGMnJ+X33UVmwi92AHgXM1u =wdCu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
Hi Angelo, great to see you put your hand up. My position at the moment, is to get through this week at work, then starting Monday begin work on this project. The first step is to port the relevant libYui and related libraries which is what I had planned to work on next week, but if Matteo is working on this then that will work out great (I am just an apprentice with only 2 packages to date, so perhaps not the best person for that job). To begin with, I planned to make a basic proof of concept Control Centre, so just simply a copy of the current main window of MCC but without any functionality, just to see it work across the widget sets. Then work on a single module to work out some standards and documentation, how to make it as easy as possible for others to come along and add a module. I understand the desire to have everything in the one language (and the obvious choice is perl due to inertia), however I am not personally against individual modules being in python/perl/C++, the reason is that there are people who potentially would add a module but don't want to use a language they are not familiar with and would only use for that module and nothing else. So I guess I would like to give options so that entry to contribution is as easy as it can be. This all started for me when I looked into writing a module I wanted but found very little documentation, and realised it would be more work to make my module available in curses as well at gtk. As far as other contributors, I only have one willing to dive into code, but it is very convenient as we work together (We just finished setting up our new Mageia Cluster and so now are ready for more Mageia goodness :-P ) so a very small group at the moment, but to be honest, I think that is probably a good thing in the early stages. As I said, I have to get through this week at work first, a week of deadlines, but then I can start writing some more concrete plans, and start playing with the code. I'll make contact again in a few days when I am ready to get going. Cheers Tuxta On 28/06/12 08:02, Angelo Naselli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the proposal[1] has been accepted[2] and has to be merged with mine[3] and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help. Il 13/06/2012 14:35, Steven Tucker ha scritto: This proposal may be a bit different to the several others you have seen in that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done. The Ui layer is provided by libYui and friends, and the logic is already there in mcc. With the perl bindings to libYui the effort is no where near as large as a rewrite, which I imagine the several other proposals were. I would prefer it all to be written in C++, but that would be more work than adapting the current perl code, so you see it's not just pie in the sky, I have actually put some thought into it. In a first read i understood the idea was to provide a new gui abstraction layer, and you told me the suggested libYui library is written in C++ with some script bindings (one for all perl) and since I'm not a perl programmer and i know C++ and QT (something on GTk also) i could help. So should i assume you want to rewrite all? Steven, can you please point me and other potential contributors to your plans? Planning is also needed to our proposal to be definitely accepted :) I don't have a lot of spare time, but i will help as much as possible. Matteo Pasotti is adding libyui to mageia repository so we could start using it, I do also believe he's going to help us as well :) Let's start this new adventure... Cheers, Angelo [1] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc [2] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review [3] https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/rgusACgkQqEs9DA4DquAJcQCgnYoldmMq1+EdON9q3DhXazVe pi0An0UUHGGMnJ+X33UVmwi92AHgXM1u =wdCu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
