Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Florian Hubold]

Am 03.03.2012 21:55, schrieb Oliver Burger:

Am 03.03.2012 21:10, schrieb Sander Lepik:

On Mar 3, 2012 7:41 PM, "Oliver Burger" mailto:oliver@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> And in the last meeting logs for this channel, the reminder was said
and discussed.
>
> Oliver

Can this link be sent to list after meeting? Or is this too much asked?
Or was it sent and i just missed it?

Well, actually I'm sure it could. But why? All meeting logs are publicly 
available at https://meetbot.mageia.org/


I did send those links to the i18n list after meeting s there but most of the 
time, I just forgot.
And I think looking at the meetbot page from time to time isn't all that hard 
and can be done by anyone.


Cheers,

Oliver


On a related note, as i was absent from last meeting, which was
announced by ennael on 29.02.2012 15:16, why can't i find the
logs for that meeting assuming it did happen (as there's no
follow-up posts to that meeting announce that meeting had
been cancelled or delayed)
Last meetbot log is from 15.02.2012 for #mageia-dev.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Johnny A. Solbu]

On Sunday 04 March 2012 11:38, Michael Scherer wrote:
> Why assume that we are late ?
> 
> If there is no post "we are late", then we are not.

I remember my driving school teacher said something similar, 19 years ago. He 
said that unless he said otherwise I should follow the road and go straight 
ahead in cross roads.
It was then that I learned the principle that unless I'm told otherwise, asume 
one is on track and on time. Usually it is correct.

-- 
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Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Maarten Vanraes]

Op zondag 04 maart 2012 11:47:14 schreef Michael Scherer:
[...]
> > maybe we could have the meetbot send it to another mailing list and the
> > people who don't frequently are able to follow the meetings can
> > subscribe to that.
> 
> Send patchs upstream, and we will use it sooner or later.

I'm offering it as an alternative suggestion to that person who complains of 
not being in the meetings...

I'm almost always in the meetings, and if not, i can find the meetinglogs 
without a mail being sent to me...

though if this suggestion is fitting for that person, he sure can file some 
patches...

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Maarten Vanraes]

Op zondag 04 maart 2012 11:38:08 schreef Michael Scherer:
[...]
> Why assume that we are late ?
> 
> If there is no post "we are late", then we are not.

Such a post would usually come late :-)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Michael Scherer]

Le samedi 03 mars 2012 à 23:35 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
> Op zaterdag 03 maart 2012 22:34:41 schreef Sander Lepik:
> > > Well, actually I'm sure it could. But why? All meeting logs are publicly
> > 
> > available at https://meetbot.mageia.org/
> > 
> > Why? Because now i know this link for some time and then i forget it again
> > 
> > :) Sorry but Mageia isn't the only project where i'm contributing. I just
> > 
> > can't remember everything. But thanks for the link.
> > 
> > --
> > Sander
> 
> maybe we could have the meetbot send it to another mailing list and the 
> people 
> who don't frequently are able to follow the meetings can subscribe to that.

Send patchs upstream, and we will use it sooner or later.

-- 
Michael Scherer

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Michael Scherer]

Le samedi 03 mars 2012 à 12:03 +0200, Sander Lepik a écrit :

> And now the reason why i started this thread: i was not sure if this date is 
> confirmed. As 
> you can see from https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development there have 
> been delays. How 
> do i know that this will really happen?

Because there is no possible reasons to block version freeze, since
that's a 1 line change on a configuration file.

Why assume that we are late ?

If there is no post "we are late", then we are not.

-- 
Michael Scherer

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Maarten Vanraes]

Op zaterdag 03 maart 2012 22:34:41 schreef Sander Lepik:
> > Well, actually I'm sure it could. But why? All meeting logs are publicly
> 
> available at https://meetbot.mageia.org/
> 
> Why? Because now i know this link for some time and then i forget it again
> 
> :) Sorry but Mageia isn't the only project where i'm contributing. I just
> 
> can't remember everything. But thanks for the link.
> 
> --
> Sander

maybe we could have the meetbot send it to another mailing list and the people 
who don't frequently are able to follow the meetings can subscribe to that.

i don't think it's a bad idea to read what has happened in the meetings as a 
packager team member...

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Maarten Vanraes]

Op zaterdag 03 maart 2012 10:36:55 schreef Thomas Backlund:
> 03.03.2012 11:24, Michael Scherer skrev:
> > Le vendredi 02 mars 2012 à 20:53 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
> >> Op vrijdag 02 maart 2012 20:16:11 schreef Thomas Backlund:
> >>> 02.03.2012 21:08, Dimitri Jakov skrev:
>  Besides... GNOME 3.4 is going to be released on March 28 - does that
> >>> 
> >>> Yes we know...
> >>> 
>  mean that we won't be able to ship it with Mageia 2?
> >>> 
> >>> Nope, we have that as an exception to the freeze...
> >>> (that's why we already run 3.3.x)
> >>> 
> >>> we will have Gnome 3.4.x and KDE 4.8.x in Mageia 2
> >> 
> >> also, I hope mariadb-5.5.x final (right now we have 5.5.20 which is the
> >> alpha version; beta will come quite soon, then the rc and finals follow
> >> pretty fast and these only contain bugfixes)
> > 
> > Next time, maybe waiting for the beta would be better, cauldron is not
> > mean to be a playground for testing upstream softwares when we do not
> > have a strong assurance that the stable will end i the stable release.
> 
> Actually in this case it is ok, since we've been tracking upstream 5.5.x
> branch with the target for 5.5.x final, so "alpha" in this case
> only means fully synced with mysql 5.5 and afaik all intended mariadb
> patches merged...

yes, and so far that haven't been any complaints yet, waiting for mikala, 
since he's the most likely person to have issues about it.

> They are only a bit late :/

yes :-(

allthough according to upstream, there seems to be a good chance it will be 
released as final quite quickly

> > If everybody start to do that, we spend more time on upgrading to
> > version that should have been stable than fixing others bugs.
> > 
> > And if upstream could also try to be a little bit less original and
> > follow some easy to grasp convetion about version number.

yes, it seems they will upgrade the version to +1 for beta and so forth.

but they consider the major versions 5.5 the real version. but still, took me 
a while to figure it out...

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Sander Lepik]

> Well, actually I'm sure it could. But why? All meeting logs are publicly
available at https://meetbot.mageia.org/

Why? Because now i know this link for some time and then i forget it again
:) Sorry but Mageia isn't the only project where i'm contributing. I just
can't remember everything. But thanks for the link.

--
Sander

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Pascal Terjan]

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 20:55, Oliver Burger  wrote:
> Am 03.03.2012 21:10, schrieb Sander Lepik:
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2012 7:41 PM, "Oliver Burger" > > wrote:
>>  > And in the last meeting logs for this channel, the reminder was said
>> and discussed.
>>  >
>>  > Oliver
>>
>> Can this link be sent to list after meeting? Or is this too much asked?
>> Or was it sent and i just missed it?
>>
> Well, actually I'm sure it could. But why? All meeting logs are publicly
> available at https://meetbot.mageia.org/
>
> I did send those links to the i18n list after meeting s there but most of
> the time, I just forgot.
> And I think looking at the meetbot page from time to time isn't all that
> hard and can be done by anyone.

Maybe the bot could send it automatically to the right list depending
on the channel where the meeting happens?

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Oliver Burger]

Am 03.03.2012 21:10, schrieb Sander Lepik:

On Mar 3, 2012 7:41 PM, "Oliver Burger" mailto:oliver@googlemail.com>> wrote:
 > And in the last meeting logs for this channel, the reminder was said
and discussed.
 >
 > Oliver

Can this link be sent to list after meeting? Or is this too much asked?
Or was it sent and i just missed it?

Well, actually I'm sure it could. But why? All meeting logs are publicly 
available at https://meetbot.mageia.org/


I did send those links to the i18n list after meeting s there but most 
of the time, I just forgot.
And I think looking at the meetbot page from time to time isn't all that 
hard and can be done by anyone.


Cheers,

Oliver

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Sander Lepik]

On Mar 3, 2012 7:41 PM, "Oliver Burger"  wrote:
> And in the last meeting logs for this channel, the reminder was said and
discussed.
>
> Oliver

Can this link be sent to list after meeting? Or is this too much asked? Or
was it sent and i just missed it?

--
Sander

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Oliver Burger]

Am 03.03.2012 17:42, schrieb Johnny A. Solbu:

You miss my whole point.
I am talking about one -1- reminder to the list when the Version freeze is 
about to happen.

Not that it is scheduled to occur in two months.


You need to remember that we are flawed human beeings. And this may come as a 
surprise for some,
but human beeings happens to have a tendency to forget things. Even 
important things. That is why

all kinds of reminders and reminder related services exists.

In the last meeting invitation, Anne did talk about it (before this 
thread started). And even if people can't attend the meetings because of 
other duties or being on the wrong side of earth, there are the logs.
And in the last meeting logs for this channel, the reminder was said and 
discussed.


Oliver

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Pascal Terjan]

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 16:42, Johnny A. Solbu  wrote:
> On Saturday 03 March 2012 10:42, Michael Scherer wrote:
>> We reminded there is version freeze coming during meetings
>
> Some of us can't attend these IRC-meetings at the current scheduled time.
>
>> We gave the list of date in advance
>
> That is not a freeze Reminder.
>
>> and a link to the planning in every mail of announce,
>
> That is not a freeze reminder.
> Besides, I don't remember seeing any version freeze announces untill after 
> this thread came, saying it should be announced in advance.
>
>> as well in blog posts and forums post.
>
> Many of us don't read blogs and forums.
> Besides, I was once told or read somewhere that developers and packagers 
> should follow /this/ list in order to receive important notices and follow 
> the development process. Not to read a blog and attend the forums.

The freeze was reminded on this list in the email announcing that beta
1 iso were on their way, 2 weeks ago
https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-February/011914.html

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Johnny A. Solbu]

On Saturday 03 March 2012 10:42, Michael Scherer wrote:
> We reminded there is version freeze coming during meetings

Some of us can't attend these IRC-meetings at the current scheduled time.

> We gave the list of date in advance

That is not a freeze Reminder.

> and a link to the planning in every mail of announce, 

That is not a freeze reminder.
Besides, I don't remember seeing any version freeze announces untill after this 
thread came, saying it should be announced in advance.

> as well in blog posts and forums post.

Many of us don't read blogs and forums.
Besides, I was once told or read somewhere that developers and packagers should 
follow /this/ list in order to receive important notices and follow the 
development process. Not to read a blog and attend the forums.

> We have a calendar where the freeze was given.

That is a schedule, not a freeze reminder.

> And I expect people to either be experienced packager ( ie who have
> already done 1 release and so know the rules ), or to be new packagers
> with a experienced packager ( ie mentor ) who should have explained the
> release cycle. 

Knowing the cycle is not a freeze reminder.

> So if people have missed the whole plan, there is a problem that we need
> to fix, and the first step would be to collect reasons why they did
> missed it, not nag more everybody on every possible channels.

You miss my whole point.
I am talking about one -1- reminder to the list when the Version freeze is 
about to happen. Not that it is scheduled to occur in two months.

You need to remember that we are flawed human beeings. And this may come as a 
surprise for some, but human beeings happens to have a tendency to forget 
things. Even important things. That is why all kinds of reminders and reminder 
related services exists.

-- 
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Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Colin Guthrie]

'Twas brillig, and Sander Lepik at 03/03/12 10:03 did gyre and gimble:
> 03.03.2012 11:42, Michael Scherer kirjutas:
>> We have a calendar ( http://www.mageia.org/en/calendar/ ), where the
>> freeze was given.
> Weird, if i add this calendar into my google calandar or into
> Thunderbird, i see no events from it. Some settings are wrong?

Just FWIW, I see the events from this calendar in Thunderbird fine.

Col

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Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Sander Lepik]

03.03.2012 11:42, Michael Scherer kirjutas:

We have a calendar ( http://www.mageia.org/en/calendar/ ), where the
freeze was given.
Weird, if i add this calendar into my google calandar or into Thunderbird, i see no events 
from it. Some settings are wrong?


And now the reason why i started this thread: i was not sure if this date is confirmed. As 
you can see from https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development there have been delays. How 
do i know that this will really happen?


Maybe we can use something like Mozilla is doing for their releases 
(https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Release_Tracking) - i mean some status/health field that 
would say if the date is confirmed or the date is at risk for some reason. Then no reminders 
are needed but i can be sure that this date will stick.


--
Sander

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Michael Scherer]

Le vendredi 02 mars 2012 à 16:06 +0100, Johnny A. Solbu a écrit :
> On Friday 02 March 2012 15:31, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > Back in my school days when we had to do a home work project of 1
> > month our teacher used to remind us the day before scheduled deadline
> > - for people like me it meant to start working on the project!
> > 
> > Some people may be like me...
> 
> Maybe we should have a policy on when to remind developers on version freezes.
> Say, one or two weeks before the freeze, so they get a chance to submit final 
> changes.

We reminded there is version freeze coming during meetings ( like
http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-02-15-20.13.log.html#l-75
 ), or what is the plan until the release ( 
http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-01-26-20.03.html ). 
We gave the list of date in advance
( https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development ) and a link to the
planning in every mail of announce, as well in blog posts and forums
post.

We have a calendar ( http://www.mageia.org/en/calendar/ ), where the
freeze was given.  

And I expect people to either be experienced packager ( ie who have
already done 1 release and so know the rules ), or to be new packagers
with a experienced packager ( ie mentor ) who should have explained the
release cycle. 

So if people have missed the whole plan, there is a problem that we need
to fix, and the first step would be to collect reasons why they did
missed it, not nag more everybody on every possible channels.

For people who didn't miss and who read the mails etc, the reminder are
annoying and the more reminder we put, the more they will start to
ignore them. And I see no reason to annoy those that do the job and
follow thing to help those that don't. 

So if someone want to start collecting feedback, digesting it and
present it, just say that you are volunteer on the list, and start the
collect.

-- 
Michael Scherer

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Thomas Backlund]

03.03.2012 11:24, Michael Scherer skrev:
> Le vendredi 02 mars 2012 à 20:53 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
>> Op vrijdag 02 maart 2012 20:16:11 schreef Thomas Backlund:
>>> 02.03.2012 21:08, Dimitri Jakov skrev:
 Besides... GNOME 3.4 is going to be released on March 28 - does that
>>>
>>> Yes we know...
>>>
 mean that we won't be able to ship it with Mageia 2?
>>>
>>> Nope, we have that as an exception to the freeze...
>>> (that's why we already run 3.3.x)
>>>
>>> we will have Gnome 3.4.x and KDE 4.8.x in Mageia 2
>>
>> also, I hope mariadb-5.5.x final (right now we have 5.5.20 which is the 
>> alpha 
>> version; beta will come quite soon, then the rc and finals follow pretty 
>> fast 
>> and these only contain bugfixes)
> 
> Next time, maybe waiting for the beta would be better, cauldron is not
> mean to be a playground for testing upstream softwares when we do not
> have a strong assurance that the stable will end i the stable release.
> 

Actually in this case it is ok, since we've been tracking upstream 5.5.x
branch with the target for 5.5.x final, so "alpha" in this case
only means fully synced with mysql 5.5 and afaik all intended mariadb
patches merged...

They are only a bit late :/


> If everybody start to do that, we spend more time on upgrading to
> version that should have been stable than fixing others bugs.
> 
> And if upstream could also try to be a little bit less original and
> follow some easy to grasp convetion about version number.
> 

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Michael Scherer]

Le vendredi 02 mars 2012 à 20:53 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
> Op vrijdag 02 maart 2012 20:16:11 schreef Thomas Backlund:
> > 02.03.2012 21:08, Dimitri Jakov skrev:
> > > Besides... GNOME 3.4 is going to be released on March 28 - does that
> > 
> > Yes we know...
> > 
> > > mean that we won't be able to ship it with Mageia 2?
> > 
> > Nope, we have that as an exception to the freeze...
> > (that's why we already run 3.3.x)
> > 
> > we will have Gnome 3.4.x and KDE 4.8.x in Mageia 2
> 
> also, I hope mariadb-5.5.x final (right now we have 5.5.20 which is the alpha 
> version; beta will come quite soon, then the rc and finals follow pretty fast 
> and these only contain bugfixes)

Next time, maybe waiting for the beta would be better, cauldron is not
mean to be a playground for testing upstream softwares when we do not
have a strong assurance that the stable will end i the stable release.

If everybody start to do that, we spend more time on upgrading to
version that should have been stable than fixing others bugs.

And if upstream could also try to be a little bit less original and
follow some easy to grasp convetion about version number.

-- 
Michael Scherer

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Maarten Vanraes]

Op vrijdag 02 maart 2012 20:16:11 schreef Thomas Backlund:
> 02.03.2012 21:08, Dimitri Jakov skrev:
> > Besides... GNOME 3.4 is going to be released on March 28 - does that
> 
> Yes we know...
> 
> > mean that we won't be able to ship it with Mageia 2?
> 
> Nope, we have that as an exception to the freeze...
> (that's why we already run 3.3.x)
> 
> we will have Gnome 3.4.x and KDE 4.8.x in Mageia 2

also, I hope mariadb-5.5.x final (right now we have 5.5.20 which is the alpha 
version; beta will come quite soon, then the rc and finals follow pretty fast 
and these only contain bugfixes)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Oliver Burger]

Am 02.03.2012 20:08, schrieb Dimitri Jakov:

Besides... GNOME 3.4 is going to be released on March 28 - does that
mean that we won't be able to ship it with Mageia 2?

No, we explicitely pushed the final release date from April (as planned 
originally) to May, so we could have GNOME 3.4.

In addition, there are always exceptions to every rule.

Oliver

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Thomas Backlund]

02.03.2012 21:08, Dimitri Jakov skrev:
> Besides... GNOME 3.4 is going to be released on March 28 - does that

Yes we know...

> mean that we won't be able to ship it with Mageia 2?
> 

Nope, we have that as an exception to the freeze...
(that's why we already run 3.3.x)

we will have Gnome 3.4.x and KDE 4.8.x in Mageia 2

--
Thomas

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Dimitri Jakov]

Besides... GNOME 3.4 is going to be released on March 28 - does that
mean that we won't be able to ship it with Mageia 2?

Mitya

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Olav Vitters]

On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 04:20:53PM +0200, Anssi Hannula wrote:
> Yes, I think Sander just meant there should be a reminder (which he now
> did).

GNOME has some really crappy schedule related scripts. One of them deals
with sending reminder emails:
http://git.gnome.org/browse/releng/tree/tools/schedule/

Everything in GNOME revolves around weeks, and the scripts assume that
things always happen on a Mon. Still, could be useful.

The reminders go to release-team, who then use it as a template to mail
the developers (automatic mails are often ignored, we try and make
things a bit more personal).

Example reminder mail:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2012-March/msg3.html

-- 
Regards,
Olav

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[zezinho]

Le vendredi 2 mars 2012 16:06:48, Johnny A. Solbu a écrit :
> Maybe we should have a policy on when to remind developers on version
> freezes. Say, one or two weeks before the freeze, so they get a chance to
> submit final changes.
> 
> Or do we have such a policy already?

And then a policy on when to update the policy?

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Johnny A. Solbu]

On Friday 02 March 2012 15:31, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> Back in my school days when we had to do a home work project of 1
> month our teacher used to remind us the day before scheduled deadline
> - for people like me it meant to start working on the project!
> 
> Some people may be like me...

Maybe we should have a policy on when to remind developers on version freezes.
Say, one or two weeks before the freeze, so they get a chance to submit final 
changes.

Or do we have such a policy already?

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Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Wolfgang Bornath]

2012/3/2 Oliver Burger :
> Am 02.03.2012 15:03, schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:
>
>> On 02.03.2012 14:52, Sander Lepik wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey!
>>>
>>> According to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development we are
>>> going to hit versions freeze pretty soon. Is it confirmed that it will
>>> be March 7th? In this case we have the last weekend before freeze. And
>>> weekend is for many packagers the only time to work on their packages.
>>>
>>> Such dates should be announced in advance.
>>> --
>>> Sander
>>
>> Is this hour 0:00 or 23:59 ? Paris time zone?
>
> Last year it was at the end of the packager meeting, meaning something
> between 21.00 UTC and 21.30 UTC.
>
> And please people, it was announced as we did announce the whole development
> planing months ago, didn't we?
>

Back in my school days when we had to do a home work project of 1
month our teacher used to remind us the day before scheduled deadline
- for people like me it meant to start working on the project!

Some people may be like me...

-- 
wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Pascal Terjan]

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 14:21, Pascal Terjan  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 14:07, Oliver Burger  wrote:
>> Am 02.03.2012 15:03, schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:
>>
>>> On 02.03.2012 14:52, Sander Lepik wrote:

 Hey!

 According to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development we are
 going to hit versions freeze pretty soon. Is it confirmed that it will
 be March 7th? In this case we have the last weekend before freeze. And
 weekend is for many packagers the only time to work on their packages.

 Such dates should be announced in advance.
 --
 Sander
>>>
>>> Is this hour 0:00 or 23:59 ? Paris time zone?
>>
>> Last year it was at the end of the packager meeting, meaning something
>> between 21.00 UTC and 21.30 UTC.
>>
>> And please people, it was announced as we did announce the whole development
>> planing months ago, didn't we?
>
> And I saw it reminded in several places recently (like in some mail
> before the beta)

https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-February/011914.html

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Pascal Terjan]

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 14:07, Oliver Burger  wrote:
> Am 02.03.2012 15:03, schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:
>
>> On 02.03.2012 14:52, Sander Lepik wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey!
>>>
>>> According to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development we are
>>> going to hit versions freeze pretty soon. Is it confirmed that it will
>>> be March 7th? In this case we have the last weekend before freeze. And
>>> weekend is for many packagers the only time to work on their packages.
>>>
>>> Such dates should be announced in advance.
>>> --
>>> Sander
>>
>> Is this hour 0:00 or 23:59 ? Paris time zone?
>
> Last year it was at the end of the packager meeting, meaning something
> between 21.00 UTC and 21.30 UTC.
>
> And please people, it was announced as we did announce the whole development
> planing months ago, didn't we?

And I saw it reminded in several places recently (like in some mail
before the beta)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Anssi Hannula]

02.03.2012 16:07, Oliver Burger kirjoitti:
> Am 02.03.2012 15:03, schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:
>> On 02.03.2012 14:52, Sander Lepik wrote:
>>> Hey!
>>>
>>> According to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development we are
>>> going to hit versions freeze pretty soon. Is it confirmed that it will
>>> be March 7th? In this case we have the last weekend before freeze. And
>>> weekend is for many packagers the only time to work on their packages.
>>>
>>> Such dates should be announced in advance.
>>> -- 
>>> Sander
>> Is this hour 0:00 or 23:59 ? Paris time zone?
> Last year it was at the end of the packager meeting, meaning something
> between 21.00 UTC and 21.30 UTC.
> 
> And please people, it was announced as we did announce the whole
> development planing months ago, didn't we?

Yes, I think Sander just meant there should be a reminder (which he now
did).

-- 
Anssi Hannula

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Oliver Burger]

Am 02.03.2012 15:03, schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:

On 02.03.2012 14:52, Sander Lepik wrote:

Hey!

According to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development we are
going to hit versions freeze pretty soon. Is it confirmed that it will
be March 7th? In this case we have the last weekend before freeze. And
weekend is for many packagers the only time to work on their packages.

Such dates should be announced in advance.
--
Sander

Is this hour 0:00 or 23:59 ? Paris time zone?
Last year it was at the end of the packager meeting, meaning something 
between 21.00 UTC and 21.30 UTC.


And please people, it was announced as we did announce the whole 
development planing months ago, didn't we?


Oliver

Re: [Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Kamil Rytarowski]

On 02.03.2012 14:52, Sander Lepik wrote:

Hey!

According to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development we are 
going to hit versions freeze pretty soon. Is it confirmed that it will 
be March 7th? In this case we have the last weekend before freeze. And 
weekend is for many packagers the only time to work on their packages.


Such dates should be announced in advance.
--
Sander

Is this hour 0:00 or 23:59 ? Paris time zone?

[Mageia-dev] Versions freeze

[Sander Lepik]

Hey!

According to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development we are 
going to hit versions freeze pretty soon. Is it confirmed that it will 
be March 7th? In this case we have the last weekend before freeze. And 
weekend is for many packagers the only time to work on their packages.


Such dates should be announced in advance.

--
Sander