Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:19:21 +1100, blind Pete wrote: What I've been doing lately is to install everything with its default boot loader into its root partition and have a tiny partition at the end of the disk that contains just a lilo configuration file and map file. I have similar 'Plan B', where I would have GRUB-Legacy in the MBR pointing at a minimal GRUB-Legacy install, whose menu.lst could then be edited to chain into any other install (GRUB2 or GRUB-legacy). -- /\/\aurice
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
Le 02/12/2012 13:13, Maurice Batey a écrit : Those are just some of the reasons why I would like to avoid - or postpone - conversion to GRUB2, the need for which I still fail to comprehend. Why do you care about installer support, for stuff already installed ? -- BOFH excuse #201: RPC_PMAP_FAILURE
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
2012/12/3 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com: Le 02/12/2012 13:13, Maurice Batey a écrit : Those are just some of the reasons why I would like to avoid - or postpone - conversion to GRUB2, the need for which I still fail to comprehend. Why do you care about installer support, for stuff already installed ? I do not understand the whole discussion about Grub. If you have a Grub2 installed by another distribution it is easy to install a second distro (Mageia 3) which also uses Grub2. If you have another distribution installed with grub-legacy it is easy to install a second distro which uses grub2 (use chainloader in your existing grub-legacy). For me it is totally regardless which grub will be used for Mageia3. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
Maurice Batey a écrit : On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:43:28 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote: I guess he means that if we switch to Grub2 by default, will we still support greb legacy ? Correct! I.e. when installing 'GRUB2' Mageia-3, will there be an option to use GRUB-Legacy instead? The reason I ask is that: (1) On my desktop I use the excellent GAG bootloader in the MBR, and it cannot boot GRUB2 installs. See e.g.: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gag/forums/forum/230439/topic/3533186 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAG_%28boot_loader%29 The second reference mentions *potential* problems accessing a grub2 partition, in the event of repartitioning. Implying that GAG can indeed boot to grub2 partitions. Such problems could always be corrected by reinstalling grub in the partition in question. Note that GAG conflicts with the newer GPT partition table disk format, so sooner or later you will have to migrate to something else. If you have problems with GAG, you could always replace it with grub2 in the boot sector. (2) On my netbook, I chainload via a GRUB-legacy Mageia MBR, where the Mageia menu.lst picks up all the other installs. (This includes the GRUB2 Ubuntu and Mint, whose GRUB2 menu's purport to boot the GRUB-legacy installs but fail to do so, hence though I know how to chainload from a GRUB-legacy menu.lst into a GRUB2 boot install, I do not know how to boot into a GRUB-legacy install from a GRUB2 menu. If you see what I mean... Grub2 does seem more complicated to customize. A tutorial which should help : http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html -- André
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 07:39:28 -0500, andre999 wrote: Grub2 does seem more complicated to customize. That's the understatement of the year! -- /\/\aurice
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:40:11 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Why do you care about installer support, for stuff already installed ? Not for 'stuff installed', but for the installation of Mageia-3, with which I would prefer to use GRUB-Legacy - hence the enquiry Will the Mageia-3 installer offer a GRUB-Legacy option, i.e. could I request it to use GRUB-legacy in the install? -- /\/\aurice
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:51:52 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: If you have another distribution installed with grub-legacy it is easy to install a second distro which uses grub2 (use chainloader in your existing grub-legacy). Depends on where GRUB2 is installed. If it goes in the MBR, then how does one get to existing GRUB-Legacy installs? (I do not know how to chainload from a GRUB2 menu to a GRUB-Legacy install, though I can from GRUB-Legacy to GRUB2). My experience with GRUB2 distros such as Ubuntu 12.01 and Mint 13 is that although their menus do include existing GRUB-Legacy installs, they fail to boot them. Apart from all that, I do not WANT to use GRUB2. Why is it needed? As someone else said in here just now there is a vast difference between the simplicity of adjusting a GRUB-Legacy menu.lst and the ridiculous jumping through hoops required to do the equivalent in GRUB2. And isn't it great that e.g. hd(0,0) in GRUB-Legacy is hd(0,1) in GRUB2? What was the point of that unbelieveble jumble? -- /\/\aurice
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
Le 03/12/2012 18:47, Maurice Batey a écrit : On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:40:11 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Why do you care about installer support, for stuff already installed ? Not for 'stuff installed', but for the installation of Mageia-3, with which I would prefer to use GRUB-Legacy - hence the enquiry Will the Mageia-3 installer offer a GRUB-Legacy option, i.e. could I request it to use GRUB-legacy in the install? As long as it is in the distribution, why do you need the installer to support it, as long as you can reconfigure it thereafter ? -- BOFH excuse #331: those damn raccoons!
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
Op maandag 3 december 2012 18:01:28 schreef Maurice Batey: On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:51:52 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: If you have another distribution installed with grub-legacy it is easy to install a second distro which uses grub2 (use chainloader in your existing grub-legacy). Depends on where GRUB2 is installed. If it goes in the MBR, then how does one get to existing GRUB-Legacy installs? (I do not know how to chainload from a GRUB2 menu to a GRUB-Legacy install, though I can from GRUB-Legacy to GRUB2). My experience with GRUB2 distros such as Ubuntu 12.01 and Mint 13 is that although their menus do include existing GRUB-Legacy installs, they fail to boot them. Apart from all that, I do not WANT to use GRUB2. Why is it needed? As someone else said in here just now there is a vast difference between the simplicity of adjusting a GRUB-Legacy menu.lst and the ridiculous jumping through hoops required to do the equivalent in GRUB2. And isn't it great that e.g. hd(0,0) in GRUB-Legacy is hd(0,1) in GRUB2? What was the point of that unbelieveble jumble? you are completly correct, however, grub-legacy hasn't been supported for years, and grub2 has btrfs support...
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
AL13N skrev 3.12.2012 21:25: Op maandag 3 december 2012 18:01:28 schreef Maurice Batey: On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:51:52 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: If you have another distribution installed with grub-legacy it is easy to install a second distro which uses grub2 (use chainloader in your existing grub-legacy). Depends on where GRUB2 is installed. If it goes in the MBR, then how does one get to existing GRUB-Legacy installs? (I do not know how to chainload from a GRUB2 menu to a GRUB-Legacy install, though I can from GRUB-Legacy to GRUB2). My experience with GRUB2 distros such as Ubuntu 12.01 and Mint 13 is that although their menus do include existing GRUB-Legacy installs, they fail to boot them. Apart from all that, I do not WANT to use GRUB2. Why is it needed? As someone else said in here just now there is a vast difference between the simplicity of adjusting a GRUB-Legacy menu.lst and the ridiculous jumping through hoops required to do the equivalent in GRUB2. And isn't it great that e.g. hd(0,0) in GRUB-Legacy is hd(0,1) in GRUB2? What was the point of that unbelieveble jumble? you are completly correct, however, grub-legacy hasn't been supported for years, and grub2 has btrfs support... yeah, well not supporting brtfs can be considered a + :) even btrfs has problem supporting btrfs at times :) -- Thomas
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
On 2012-12-03 19:40 (GMT+0100) Guillaume Rousse composed: As long as it is in the distribution, why do you need the installer to support it, as long as you can reconfigure it thereafter ? Grub2 installation is much more disruptive than the minimal or non-disruptive Grub Legacy. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:40:35 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: As long as it is in the distribution, why do you need the installer to support it, as long as you can reconfigure it thereafter ? If you are meaning that Mageia-3 will contain the capability of using GRUB-Legacy but will install GRUB2, and a user may then choose to make a post-install change to GRUB-Legacy, then I could live with that. But I do feel that when a distro is making such a profound change (e.g. to change to GRUB2) then at first it should offer that progression as an install option, and install the 'Legacy' version as default. -- /\/\aurice
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: grub-legacy hasn't been supported for years, I don't understand what you are saying. Perhaps it's a terminology thing. I'm using GRUB-Legacy to mean The version of GRUB we are using in pre-GRUB2 Distro's. -- /\/\aurice
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: grub2 has btrfs support So for those pioneers who want to use btrfs, let them have an 'install with GRUB2 option, and keep GRUB-Legacy as default?! -- /\/\aurice
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
2012/12/3 Maurice Batey maur...@bcs.org.uk: On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: grub2 has btrfs support So for those pioneers who want to use btrfs, let them have an 'install with GRUB2 option, and keep GRUB-Legacy as default?! Yes, at least until btrfs is really working - if I'm not mistaken it doesn't even have a working tool for checking the filesystem or repair it. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
Op dinsdag 4 december 2012 00:42:40 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: 2012/12/3 Maurice Batey maur...@bcs.org.uk: On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: grub2 has btrfs support So for those pioneers who want to use btrfs, let them have an 'install with GRUB2 option, and keep GRUB-Legacy as default?! Yes, at least until btrfs is really working - if I'm not mistaken it doesn't even have a working tool for checking the filesystem or repair it. you know, i'm using btrfs for a while now and it's pretty good. considering all the ext3/ext4 data corruption bugs latetly... and it does have an fsck program, (even if it's only from a dangerdonteveruse branch that Oracle decided was good enough)
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
Op maandag 3 december 2012 21:35:52 schreef Maurice Batey: On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:25:53 +0100, AL13N wrote: grub-legacy hasn't been supported for years, I don't understand what you are saying. Perhaps it's a terminology thing. I'm using GRUB-Legacy to mean The version of GRUB we are using in pre-GRUB2 Distro's. back in mdv times, i once had a grub issue, and asked for help in the grub channel, they were pretty mad at me for using 0.9x(ie: grub1) and not 1.x versions (ie: grub2). and they were pretty clear to me that grub1 was not supported for a while now but distributions were still doing grub1, etc... if you ask me, it's their own fault for making the transition so bad, due to changing all these things... but, i guess if upgrades are handled nicely (even if they still keep grub-legacy) and new installs use grub2, then i have no issue with it. otoh, atm we can choose between grub-text, grub-graphic, and lilo, so i guess making it grub2-graphic and grub2-text extra doesn't seem that big of a deal to me... in any case, people who feel strongly about this, can help out with this, i'm sure...
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
Maurice Batey wrote: On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:51:52 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: If you have another distribution installed with grub-legacy it is easy to install a second distro which uses grub2 (use chainloader in your existing grub-legacy). Depends on where GRUB2 is installed. If it goes in the MBR, then how does one get to existing GRUB-Legacy installs? (I do not know how to chainload from a GRUB2 menu to a GRUB-Legacy install, though I can from GRUB-Legacy to GRUB2). Getting GRUB2 to chain load something would be a good trick, I will have to research that. My experience with GRUB2 distros such as Ubuntu 12.01 and Mint 13 is that although their menus do include existing GRUB-Legacy installs, they fail to boot them. What I've been doing lately is to install everything with its default boot loader into its root partition and have a tiny partition at the end of the disk that contains just a lilo configuration file and map file. That configuration file contains stansas like; other=/dev/sda5 label=sda5_live optional Lilo only has to be rerun when you resize partitions or want to make cosmetic changes to them menu. Apart from all that, I do not WANT to use GRUB2. Why is it needed? As someone else said in here just now there is a vast difference between the simplicity of adjusting a GRUB-Legacy menu.lst and the ridiculous jumping through hoops required to do the equivalent in GRUB2. And isn't it great that e.g. hd(0,0) in GRUB-Legacy is hd(0,1) in GRUB2? What was the point of that unbelieveble jumble? -- blind Pete Sig goes here...
Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:43:28 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote: I guess he means that if we switch to Grub2 by default, will we still support greb legacy ? Correct! I.e. when installing 'GRUB2' Mageia-3, will there be an option to use GRUB-Legacy instead? The reason I ask is that: (1) On my desktop I use the excellent GAG bootloader in the MBR, and it cannot boot GRUB2 installs. See e.g.: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gag/forums/forum/230439/topic/3533186 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAG_%28boot_loader%29 (2) On my netbook, I chainload via a GRUB-legacy Mageia MBR, where the Mageia menu.lst picks up all the other installs. (This includes the GRUB2 Ubuntu and Mint, whose GRUB2 menu's purport to boot the GRUB-legacy installs but fail to do so, hence though I know how to chainload from a GRUB-legacy menu.lst into a GRUB2 boot install, I do not know how to boot into a GRUB-legacy install from a GRUB2 menu. If you see what I mean... Those are just some of the reasons why I would like to avoid - or postpone - conversion to GRUB2, the need for which I still fail to comprehend. -- /\/\aurice
[Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
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Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
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Re: [Mageia-dev] Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option?
Sandro CAZZANIGA skrev 1.12.2012 20:11: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 01/12/2012 19:05, Maurice Batey a écrit : Will the 'official' Mageia-3 installer have a 'GRUB Legacy' option? A 'GRUB Legacy' option? What do you mean? I guess he means that if we switch to Grub2 by default, will we still support greb legacy ? -- Thomas
