Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:48:36PM +0100, Zé wrote: Like i said a user can choose what layout better fits his needs, if its top or bottom its simply the user prefers, but the user should continue with same layout. Imagine how readable this list would become if everyone replied to the mail of others using their own preferences... things would become impossible to follow really quick! It's not a hard rule, but simply a matter of convention to keep things understandable to all. Well seams your wanting to turn this into a big issue, that way ill just drop this discussion here, i have better things to do. Despite having been given pointers to the relevant netiquette and wiki articles several times you continue to top post. That just seems rude to me. There probably is no need for you to drop this discussion as the other party might well decide it's not worth having a discussion with someone who pays so little attention to common conversational conventions and courtesies. My 2 cents worth, Remco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
Like i said a user can choose what layout better fits his needs, if its top or bottom its simply the user prefers, but the user should continue with same layout. And seams your giving me reason: > What does have to do with top/bottom posting? you keep the same layout > when you bottom-post exactly, you also keep the same layout if you choose to use the top. Well seams your wanting to turn this into a big issue, that way ill just drop this discussion here, i have better things to do. 2011/5/11 Ahmad Samir : > On 11 May 2011 22:51, Zé wrote: >> In fact theres no rule that says its better this way or other way, now >> if someones decided that some way can be more efficient doesnt mean >> that a user will be forced to use that way, its still the user that >> decides whats the best layout that fits hes needs. > > Unless there's a general consensus on which way should be used; that's > when it's not a decision the user can take, either he/she complies > with those simple rules or doesn't, but then that would be considered > rude of him/her. > >> It matters to be concise, to use proper structure and keep the same >> layout when answering. >> >> http://www.emailreplies.com/ >> > > What does have to do with top/bottom posting? you keep the same layout > when you bottom-post > >> So far im also used to use the bottom page to answer emails, but i >> have been using gmail webmail and when clicking to answer, it prompts >> empty space in the top of the email, so to do things faster i simply >> wrote there, but i could simply startig using this method for my >> answers. >> > > I use Gmail 95% of the time I am sending emails, and I always > bottom-post, just one/two scrolls down take about 1.5 seconds :) > >> >> 2011/5/11 Ahmad Samir : >>> On 11 May 2011 16:27, Zé wrote: 2011/5/11 Balcaen John : > Could you please answer under the mail next time ? I think this is relative to how the user prefers... >>> >>> Off-topic: >>> No it's not, there's a general Netiqutte that should be followed, and >>> part of it is to always bottom-post not top-post when using public >>> mailing lists. >>> http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette#Bottom_Post >>> >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> -- >>> Ahmad Samir >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Zé >> > > > > -- > Ahmad Samir > -- Zé
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
On 11 May 2011 22:51, Zé wrote: > In fact theres no rule that says its better this way or other way, now > if someones decided that some way can be more efficient doesnt mean > that a user will be forced to use that way, its still the user that > decides whats the best layout that fits hes needs. Unless there's a general consensus on which way should be used; that's when it's not a decision the user can take, either he/she complies with those simple rules or doesn't, but then that would be considered rude of him/her. > It matters to be concise, to use proper structure and keep the same > layout when answering. > > http://www.emailreplies.com/ > What does have to do with top/bottom posting? you keep the same layout when you bottom-post > So far im also used to use the bottom page to answer emails, but i > have been using gmail webmail and when clicking to answer, it prompts > empty space in the top of the email, so to do things faster i simply > wrote there, but i could simply startig using this method for my > answers. > I use Gmail 95% of the time I am sending emails, and I always bottom-post, just one/two scrolls down take about 1.5 seconds :) > > 2011/5/11 Ahmad Samir : >> On 11 May 2011 16:27, Zé wrote: >>> 2011/5/11 Balcaen John : Could you please answer under the mail next time ? >>> I think this is relative to how the user prefers... >>> >> >> Off-topic: >> No it's not, there's a general Netiqutte that should be followed, and >> part of it is to always bottom-post not top-post when using public >> mailing lists. >> http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette#Bottom_Post >> >> >> [...] >> >> -- >> Ahmad Samir >> > > > > -- > Zé > -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
Zé schrieb am 11.05.2011 > In fact theres no rule that says its better this way or other way, > now if someones decided that some way can be more efficient doesnt > mean that a user will be forced to use that way, its still the > user that decides whats the best layout that fits hes needs. > It matters to be concise, to use proper structure and keep the same > layout when answering. It is the usual way on mailing lists, to only cite the part, you are answering to, and answer below that part. See also http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_(Rules) (should be added to our won wiki imho. (And I have to admit, this might be a html mail, and I excuse for that, but something about my kmail settings went bad :( ) > So far im also used to use the bottom page to answer emails, but i > have been using gmail webmail and when clicking to answer, it > prompts empty space in the top of the email, so to do things > faster i simply wrote there, but i could simply startig using this > method for my answers. You can quickly change the settings of Gmail to text mails, then you have full control of what you are sending. Oliver
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
In fact theres no rule that says its better this way or other way, now if someones decided that some way can be more efficient doesnt mean that a user will be forced to use that way, its still the user that decides whats the best layout that fits hes needs. It matters to be concise, to use proper structure and keep the same layout when answering. http://www.emailreplies.com/ So far im also used to use the bottom page to answer emails, but i have been using gmail webmail and when clicking to answer, it prompts empty space in the top of the email, so to do things faster i simply wrote there, but i could simply startig using this method for my answers. 2011/5/11 Ahmad Samir : > On 11 May 2011 16:27, Zé wrote: >> 2011/5/11 Balcaen John : >>> Could you please answer under the mail next time ? >> I think this is relative to how the user prefers... >> > > Off-topic: > No it's not, there's a general Netiqutte that should be followed, and > part of it is to always bottom-post not top-post when using public > mailing lists. > http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette#Bottom_Post > > > [...] > > -- > Ahmad Samir > -- Zé
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Zé wrote: > 2011/5/11 Balcaen John : >> Could you please answer under the mail next time ? > I think this is relative to how the user prefers... > >> >> Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 08:45:51, Zé a écrit : >>> I thought already had all needed permissions to submit packages but >>> seams Michael Scherer have forgot to set some group since when i try >>> to import the package it gives error. >> If i'm not wrong you should only have the permissions to commit on svn since >> you're supposed to be an apprentice so far > > In aprentice mode i would be able to commit in svn, but seams so far > im not even able to do that, but ill wait that i can resolve this with > misc. > > -- > Zé > How do you try to import on the SVN?
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
On 11 May 2011 16:27, Zé wrote: > 2011/5/11 Balcaen John : >> Could you please answer under the mail next time ? > I think this is relative to how the user prefers... > Off-topic: No it's not, there's a general Netiqutte that should be followed, and part of it is to always bottom-post not top-post when using public mailing lists. http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette#Bottom_Post [...] -- Ahmad Samir
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
2011/5/11 Balcaen John : > Could you please answer under the mail next time ? I think this is relative to how the user prefers... > > Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 08:45:51, Zé a écrit : >> I thought already had all needed permissions to submit packages but >> seams Michael Scherer have forgot to set some group since when i try >> to import the package it gives error. > If i'm not wrong you should only have the permissions to commit on svn since > you're supposed to be an apprentice so far In aprentice mode i would be able to commit in svn, but seams so far im not even able to do that, but ill wait that i can resolve this with misc. -- Zé
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
Could you please answer under the mail next time ? Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 08:45:51, Zé a écrit : > I thought already had all needed permissions to submit packages but > seams Michael Scherer have forgot to set some group since when i try > to import the package it gives error. If i'm not wrong you should only have the permissions to commit on svn since you're supposed to be an apprentice so far > Can anyone check whats the missing group and set it? Did you open a bug report for account creation ? If so you should reopen it for clarification. > Or at least someone who can grab the kvirc package i have and add it > to main repo. > And the import option is not listed when you run 'mgarepo --help' Well after reading the src it seems like import is just an alias for putsrcpm It was in fact on the wiki ( cf http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&s[]=mgarepo ) Regards, -- Balcaen John
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
I thought already had all needed permissions to submit packages but seams Michael Scherer have forgot to set some group since when i try to import the package it gives error. Can anyone check whats the missing group and set it? Or at least someone who can grab the kvirc package i have and add it to main repo. And the import option is not listed when you run 'mgarepo --help' 2011/5/11 Balcaen John : > Le Wednesday 11 May 2011 00:02:55, Zé a écrit : >> How can i do to add the new package kvirc-4.0.4-1.mga1 since its in freeze >> now? >> >> I have tried running 'mgarepo putsrpm' to add it to svn but fails: >> >> SRPMS]$ mgarepo putsrpm kvirc-4.0.4-1.mga1.src.rpm >> Importing package to svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/kvirc >> error: svn: URL 'svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/kvirc' >> doesn't exist > man mgarepo should show you how to use mgarepo. > aka here mgarepo import to import the src.rpm. > > > Also as said by Anna we're currently in Freeze for packages *already* > submitted, you can still submitted a package if it's a new package (2 days > lefts btw) > > > Regards, > -- Zé
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
Le Wednesday 11 May 2011 00:02:55, Zé a écrit : > How can i do to add the new package kvirc-4.0.4-1.mga1 since its in freeze > now? > > I have tried running 'mgarepo putsrpm' to add it to svn but fails: > > SRPMS]$ mgarepo putsrpm kvirc-4.0.4-1.mga1.src.rpm > Importing package to svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/kvirc > error: svn: URL 'svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/kvirc' > doesn't exist man mgarepo should show you how to use mgarepo. aka here mgarepo import to import the src.rpm. Also as said by Anna we're currently in Freeze for packages *already* submitted, you can still submitted a package if it's a new package (2 days lefts btw) Regards,
Re: [Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
Le 11/05/2011 05:02, Zé a écrit : > How can i do to add the new package kvirc-4.0.4-1.mga1 since its in freeze > now? > > I have tried running 'mgarepo putsrpm' to add it to svn but fails: > > SRPMS]$ mgarepo putsrpm kvirc-4.0.4-1.mga1.src.rpm > Importing package to svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/kvirc > error: svn: URL 'svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/kvirc' > doesn't exist > You can ask for a mgarepo import + mgarepo submit, I think. -- Sandro Cazzaniga - https://lederniercoupdarchet.wordpress.com IRC: Kharec (irc.freenode.net) Software/Hardware geek Conceptor Magnum's Coordinator/editor (http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Magnum) Mageia and Mandriva contributor
[Mageia-dev] add new package kvirc to freeze
How can i do to add the new package kvirc-4.0.4-1.mga1 since its in freeze now? I have tried running 'mgarepo putsrpm' to add it to svn but fails: SRPMS]$ mgarepo putsrpm kvirc-4.0.4-1.mga1.src.rpm Importing package to svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/kvirc error: svn: URL 'svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/kvirc' doesn't exist -- Zé
