[Mageia-dev] gmane
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:23 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: - gmane is clumsy, slow - my tests last September/October reveilled that with an active list you see 2 replies in the list before the initial mail is available in gmane. So, people using gmane for posting will always be behind and may destroy a thread or reply to already obsolete points. There were also missing mails in the middle of threads which made it unusable for me. My experience with gmane is different. Yes it lags a bit but usually by a couple of minutes. Unless you want to use your mailing-list as some kind of real-time communication channel (you shouldn't ;-)), this is ok. gmane's Web UI is not great but its NNTP gateway, OTOH, works fine for me, both for reading and posting, using claws-mail as my NNTP client. And the fact that it doesn't ask you to sign for any kind of account is really nice. Regards Antoine.
Re: [Mageia-dev] gmane
2011/6/14 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:23 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: - gmane is clumsy, slow - my tests last September/October reveilled that with an active list you see 2 replies in the list before the initial mail is available in gmane. So, people using gmane for posting will always be behind and may destroy a thread or reply to already obsolete points. There were also missing mails in the middle of threads which made it unusable for me. My experience with gmane is different. Yes it lags a bit but usually by a couple of minutes. Unless you want to use your mailing-list as some kind of real-time communication channel (you shouldn't ;-)), this is ok. Well, a platform is only as good as it copes with heavy traffic. You should have seen the first weeks after the announcement last September/October - that's when I tested. :) gmane's Web UI is not great but its NNTP gateway, OTOH, works fine for me, both for reading and posting, using claws-mail as my NNTP client. We are talking about gateways between GUIs and mailing lists, so I did not test how the nntp gateway works. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] gmane
Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 18:17 +0200, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:23 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: - gmane is clumsy, slow - my tests last September/October reveilled that with an active list you see 2 replies in the list before the initial mail is available in gmane. So, people using gmane for posting will always be behind and may destroy a thread or reply to already obsolete points. There were also missing mails in the middle of threads which made it unusable for me. My experience with gmane is different. Yes it lags a bit but usually by a couple of minutes. Unless you want to use your mailing-list as some kind of real-time communication channel (you shouldn't ;-)), this is ok. gmane's Web UI is not great but its NNTP gateway, OTOH, works fine for me, both for reading and posting, using claws-mail as my NNTP client. And the fact that it doesn't ask you to sign for any kind of account is really nice. For the record, I looked at nntp servers when we started the project as it seemed promising and was used by students in a school near my home. But from a sysadmin point of view, there isn't much choice : - there is inn, and some friends told me scary stories about it - cyrus support nntpd but I didn't understood to what extend - there is various half finished servers on freshmeat - there is proprietary servers ( used by giganews, etc ) - there is lots of libraries - there is server that do not fullfill our need ( leafnode ) So while it would help a lot ( as you can subscribe to lists using a rich interface without much hassle, get older mails, and unsubscribe at will ), it was not easy to do. -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] gmane
2011/6/15 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 18:17 +0200, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:23 +0200 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote: - gmane is clumsy, slow - my tests last September/October reveilled that with an active list you see 2 replies in the list before the initial mail is available in gmane. So, people using gmane for posting will always be behind and may destroy a thread or reply to already obsolete points. There were also missing mails in the middle of threads which made it unusable for me. My experience with gmane is different. Yes it lags a bit but usually by a couple of minutes. Unless you want to use your mailing-list as some kind of real-time communication channel (you shouldn't ;-)), this is ok. gmane's Web UI is not great but its NNTP gateway, OTOH, works fine for me, both for reading and posting, using claws-mail as my NNTP client. And the fact that it doesn't ask you to sign for any kind of account is really nice. For the record, I looked at nntp servers when we started the project as it seemed promising and was used by students in a school near my home. But from a sysadmin point of view, there isn't much choice : - there is inn, and some friends told me scary stories about it - cyrus support nntpd but I didn't understood to what extend - there is various half finished servers on freshmeat - there is proprietary servers ( used by giganews, etc ) - there is lots of libraries - there is server that do not fullfill our need ( leafnode ) So while it would help a lot ( as you can subscribe to lists using a rich interface without much hassle, get older mails, and unsubscribe at will ), it was not easy to do. Wow, that puts me back in time more than a decade, when I spent time setting up inn on a remote server and leafnode as a local server, using Emacs/Gnus as client! :) As much as I appreciated the technical quality of this whole system, I would not go through these ordeals today. Well, leafnode was easy as a pie, but remembering inn still makes my neck hairs stand up and everybody knows that Emacs/Gnus is The Beast by definition! -- wobo
