Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
Le 03/04/2013 07:59, Oliver Burger a écrit : 2013/4/2 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com mailto:guillomovi...@gmail.com Since a few days, I'm getting mail through this list. But given their content, I don't any added value to keep it separated from the main mageia-dev one... It's not a list, it's the contact address for packagers team listed here: https://www.mageia.org/en/contact/ Let's rephrase my question then: what the point of a public contact address for packagers team ? Who is supposed to send what ? You can just filter it out, if it disturbs you as it does have a different receiver address then the dev-ml. But it would be hardly fair to ask the team leaders to answer those mails alone. And as I see it, the amount of mails coming in that way is not all that large. Just a few mails per month... Indeed, but I still don't see any added value. -- BOFH excuse #242: Software uses US measurements, but the OS is in metric...
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Le 03/04/2013 07:59, Oliver Burger a écrit : 2013/4/2 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com mailto:guillomovi...@gmail.com Since a few days, I'm getting mail through this list. But given their content, I don't any added value to keep it separated from the main mageia-dev one... It's not a list, it's the contact address for packagers team listed here: https://www.mageia.org/en/contact/ Let's rephrase my question then: what the point of a public contact address for packagers team ? Who is supposed to send what ? In most cases people should only use the mailing lists. They probably use it instead of the mailing list because it is easier to find it on the contact page linked from the menu. And they don't read the text saying that they should use the mailing list. So I think those addresses should be removed from the contact page, or at least the mailing lists should be easier to find.
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM, nicolas vigier bo...@mars-attacks.org wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Le 03/04/2013 07:59, Oliver Burger a écrit : 2013/4/2 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com mailto:guillomovi...@gmail.com Since a few days, I'm getting mail through this list. But given their content, I don't any added value to keep it separated from the main mageia-dev one... It's not a list, it's the contact address for packagers team listed here: https://www.mageia.org/en/contact/ Let's rephrase my question then: what the point of a public contact address for packagers team ? Who is supposed to send what ? In most cases people should only use the mailing lists. They probably use it instead of the mailing list because it is easier to find it on the contact page linked from the menu. And they don't read the text saying that they should use the mailing list. So I think those addresses should be removed from the contact page, or at least the mailing lists should be easier to find. Maybe this contact address can be forwarded to the mailing list, or does it require people to be subscribed?
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
I do think it is important to have contact addresses. Not only mailing lists, you have to subscribe. It's the only way to get questions and feedback from people who only have a simple question or feedback to give and don't want to subscribe an ml for that which they would have to unsubscribe again after they get the answer they are interested in. The only question - as I see it - is, who should get those mails? And I think the best idea is for the whole teams in question to get them because otherwise you will have to find someone with too much time on his hands. And by the way, just to state a number about the incoming traffic using this mail address All in all I found 5 - in words FIVE - threads in my gmail account, which were addressed to the packagers@ address, including an mail from bugzilla about a bug report complaining about the many mails, the contributor gets that way... I have to wonder if that is not an allergic reaction to user interference... Oliver
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
Le 03/04/2013 13:33, Oliver Burger a écrit : I do think it is important to have contact addresses. Not only mailing lists, you have to subscribe. It's the only way to get questions and feedback from people who only have a simple question or feedback to give and don't want to subscribe an ml for that which they would have to unsubscribe again after they get the answer they are interested in. The only question - as I see it - is, who should get those mails? And I think the best idea is for the whole teams in question to get them because otherwise you will have to find someone with too much time on his hands. And by the way, just to state a number about the incoming traffic using this mail address All in all I found 5 - in words FIVE - threads in my gmail account, which were addressed to the packagers@ address, including an mail from bugzilla about a bug report complaining about the many mails, the contributor gets that way... I have to wonder if that is not an allergic reaction to user interference... That's not a reaction to user inference, that's a reaction to have a gazillion different ways to achieve the same result, whereas a single workflow would offer better garanties of equal consideration. If the point of this adress is to allow end users willing to ask question/request assistance/whatever, but consider that's not worth the 30s effort of subscribing a mailing list or creating a bugzilla account, that's OK, as long as: 1) it's documented somewhere 2) people receiving those mails are volonteers to handle it Regarding 2, I'm not. -- BOFH excuse #221: The mainframe needs to rest. It's getting old, you know.
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013, Oliver Burger wrote: I do think it is important to have contact addresses. Not only mailing lists, you have to subscribe. It's the only way to get questions and feedback from people who only have a simple question or feedback to give and don't want to subscribe an ml for that which they would have to unsubscribe again after they get the answer they are interested in. The only question - as I see it - is, who should get those mails? And I think the best idea is for the whole teams in question to get them because otherwise you will have to find someone with too much time on his hands. And by the way, just to state a number about the incoming traffic using this mail address All in all I found 5 - in words FIVE - threads in my gmail account, which were addressed to the packagers@ address, including an mail from bugzilla about a bug report complaining about the many mails, the contributor gets that way... That's 5 in a short time, with none of them with a good reason to be sent privatly to packagers instead of on the mailing list or forum. It also exclude from discussions the people who are subscribed to the mailing list, but not officially packagers. In my opinion we should keep the packagers@group alias for rare emails when we need to reach all packagers for something important only, and it should not be used to replace the mailing list.
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013, Oliver Burger wrote: I do think it is important to have contact addresses. Not only mailing lists, you have to subscribe. It's the only way to get questions and feedback from people who only have a simple question or feedback to give and don't want to subscribe an ml for that which they would have to unsubscribe again after they get the answer they are interested in. If the problem with the mailing list is that people need to subscribe to be able to post, maybe we can change this. It will probably increase spam a little if we allow anybody to post, but we can try it to see if that would be ok.
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
2013/4/3 nicolas vigier bo...@mars-attacks.org If the problem with the mailing list is that people need to subscribe to be able to post, maybe we can change this. It will probably increase spam a little if we allow anybody to post, but we can try it to see if that would be ok. The problem is, people usually answer to the ml without adding the original author of that mail in CC. So the author of the mail will never get the replys, when he is not subscribed to the list. And really I don't understand the fuss about this, if people don't want to read those mails, just configure your mailbox to filter them, or ignore them. This should be quite easy, as we are talking about ~4 mails/month!
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013, Oliver Burger wrote: And really I don't understand the fuss about this, if people don't want to read those mails, just configure your mailbox to filter them, or ignore them. Then they will filter any email sent to packagers@group alias and we have no way to contact them for something important related to packagers team.
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
On Wednesday 3. April 2013 15.04, nicolas vigier wrote: In my opinion we should keep the packagers@group alias for rare emails when we need to reach all packagers for something important only, and it should not be used to replace the mailing list. I agree with Nicolas. -- Johnny A. Solbu PGP key ID: 0xFA687324 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Mageia-dev] what's the purpose of this list ?
2013/4/2 Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com Since a few days, I'm getting mail through this list. But given their content, I don't any added value to keep it separated from the main mageia-dev one... It's not a list, it's the contact address for packagers team listed here: https://www.mageia.org/en/contact/ You can just filter it out, if it disturbs you as it does have a different receiver address then the dev-ml. But it would be hardly fair to ask the team leaders to answer those mails alone. And as I see it, the amount of mails coming in that way is not all that large. Just a few mails per month... Oliver
