Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16
Franck Martin writes: I think, it is risky to code this encapsulation method directly and now, it requires a branch some testing and then merging back into the main branch. First, the risk is zero, except to volunteers, as long as it's not default. Second, it's been tested for decades. A MIME digest is nothing but one or more encapsulated message/rfc822 parts. In multipart/digest form, it has an obvious defect of requiring an extra click for readers using the MUAs I refuse to use (the MUAs I use can be taught to explode digests automatically, or read them as mini-folders). It would be nice to find alternative ways to accomplish the same goals, but this is already proof of concept. Third, it has the advantage of preserving as much or as little of the original message as the list would like without interfering with DKIM validation of the encapsulation. The author_is_list has had deployment and testing for over a year in a DMARC environment. Limited testing I agree but nevertheless proved Limited testing is not proof that something works. Limited testing can only *prove* that something is *broken*. More extensive testing is still not *proof*, but it can give you confidence that it's not *too* broken. Here is a recent test, deployment and analysis: http://sys4.de/en/blog/2013/08/11/mailman-dmarc-konform-betreiben/ I don't read German, but I don't see anything that looks like data, nor is there room for analysis. Nor does the blog by Patrick Koettner referenced therein. (The Google translations confirm that.) Please show us something that looks like data and analysis. Specifically of interest: Number of lists, number of users on each list (min, mean, max would do), duration of operation in this mode, type of users (mail admins vs. general technical vs non-technical), the MUAs in use, any discussion from the users themselves. I'd like to see somebody operating a mailing list with this encapsulation method first, before merging. Any list with MIME digests enabled and in use is a test of the basic usability. Do so on a site with DKIM-signing and you're done. All my proposal does is tune the encapsulation a bit. It might or might not work. ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16
On 09/17/2013 06:21 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I could actually implement this approach for the 2.1.16 release, but that would negate the i18n work that's already been done as the descriptive string on General Options would change, so I'm more inclined to label this feature as experimental and subject to change significantly in a future release. I have had another thought. I will look at provisionally making ALLOW_AUTHOR_IS_LIST a 3 way switch for 2.1.16 with 0 or False (No) meaning current (2.1.15) behavior, 1 or True (Yes) meaning the 2.1.16rc1 behavior and 2 meaning the encapsulated message behavior. If implementation doesn't turn into a can of worms or delay the release too long, I'll do that and encourage interested people to try it and report so we can get some practical experience with which to compare the different approaches. It will still be labeled experimental and subject to future change. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Author_is_list option in upcoming mailman 2.1.16
Mark Sapiro writes: I have had another thought. I will look at provisionally making ALLOW_AUTHOR_IS_LIST a 3 way switch for 2.1.16 with 0 or False (No) meaning current (2.1.15) behavior, 1 or True (Yes) meaning the 2.1.16rc1 behavior and 2 meaning the encapsulated message behavior. If you do, please change the name to DKIM_CONFORMANCE_METHOD or similar. But I don't think this is a very good API, because AUTHOR_IS_LIST[1] and DKIM_ARMOR (= encapsulate messages) are independent. Of course if encapsulation is used, there's very little point in rewriting From. But it doesn't interfere with doing so. Footnotes: [1] Barf - can we name this something that isn't a lie, like LIST_REWRITES_FROM, or better LIST_HIJACKS_FROM to distinguish it from the behavior of anonymous lists? ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
