Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailing lists exploited

2017-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/15/2017 03:19 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> 
> I'm a little confused by the OP.  Is it:
> 
> 1) A message to the posting address From: listname-ow...@example.com is not
> being moderated?  I would expect it to be since that address is not a member
> of the list.
> 
> 2) Emailing To: listname-ow...@example.com directly which would end up
> spamming the list owners?


I don't think it's either. I think it is scraping the list owner
addresses from the LISTNAME run by joe at example.com line on the web UI
pages, s/ at /@/ and spoofing that address as the sender of a spam post
to the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailing lists exploited

2017-05-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 15, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>It's not done in Mailman 3.
>
>For mailman 2.1, the administrator email addresses are a mailto: link the
>goes to the LISTNAME-owner address, but the email addresses are exposed and
>only mildly obfuscated ('@' -> ' at ').
>
>I would consider adding a configuration option to either obfuscate the
>addresses further (e.g. drop the domain entirely) or replace the text with
>something like "Listname list run by listname-ow...@example.com".

I'm a little confused by the OP.  Is it:

1) A message to the posting address From: listname-ow...@example.com is not
being moderated?  I would expect it to be since that address is not a member
of the list.

2) Emailing To: listname-ow...@example.com directly which would end up
spamming the list owners?

MM3 doesn't currently moderate messages sent to the list owners, but it
could.  Messages to -owners flows through a different, shorter chain of rules
and pipeline, but I've always thought that that would be configurable.

-Barry
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailing lists exploited

2017-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/12/2017 05:13 AM, Jonathan Knight wrote:
> 
> Maybe listing administrator email addresses needs the be a thing of the
> past.


It's not done in Mailman 3.

For mailman 2.1, the administrator email addresses are a mailto: link
the goes to the LISTNAME-owner address, but the email addresses are
exposed and only mildly obfuscated ('@' -> ' at ').

I would consider adding a configuration option to either obfuscate the
addresses further (e.g. drop the domain entirely) or replace the text
with something like "Listname list run by listname-ow...@example.com".

WDOT?

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