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aaryan bhagat writes: > It is obvious that posts will not be deleted even if the user > unsubscribed. But there is a "Discussion you have commented" > section. It is linked with each user. [Addressed to all students, not a personal criticism] One should study the Mailman architecture closely, especially the database schema. It's unnecessary to know all details of each entity, but it's absolutely crucial that you understand the relationships among sites, domains, lists, roles, users, addresses, memberships, and subscriptions. (The last two are actually relationships, of course, but they are concrete entities == rows in the database.) If somebody would like to make an entity-relationship diagram or a UML/SysML description, I'd be happy to ensure it gets into the documentation in an appropriate place! For example, it's confusing to say "the user [Mailman entity] unsubscribed." It is accurate to say "the user [human] unsubscribed the address" or "the address [Mailman entity] unsubscribed" (of course, this is awkward English, normally we'd use a passive voice). Sorry about the overloaded words, but that's the way any language works, whether natural or for programming. We deliberately overload "user" in this way so you know that the Mailman entity represents a human. Note that one cannot assume that the mentors grasp all of Mailman. Mailman is a huge project already. The advantages we have over you are (1) we know who to ask, (2) we know some parts well enough to say "I don't know where to find that", (3) we have more experience in finding stuff in general and in particular in Mailman. (NB "Mentors have more experience" is true in Mailman, at least to my knowledge, but there are 10-year-olds contributing to other projects in GSoC who are sad that it's limited to college students!) [Specific to answering Aaryan] If you are correct that this "Commented" section is linked with users, not addresses, that's your answer: it's linked with users, not addresses. Users don't get deleted just because all addresses are unsubscribed for all lists -- they might want to subscribe again, or to different lists. (Note that this would be horrible for academic users, who frequently destroy and reconstitute thousands of lists every year.) Note that (IMO) if a user has an associated address that does not appear in this section, we're doing the database wrong. Users associate addresses so that Mailman will know about them, and they will expect anything they wrote under any of their addresses to appear here. (Note: GDPR "right to be forgotten" implications.) > If a user resubscribes will this section appear or it will start > fresh? I don't know, I'm not a HyperKitty expert. My guess is that this section is populated by a database query on author when the page is refreshed. Therefore it will appear, including all past posts, even if the address was not subscribed at the time of posting. Regards, Steve -- Associate Professor Division of Policy and Planning Science http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/ Faculty of Systems and Information Email: turnb...@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tel: 029-853-5175 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Developers] Re: Mailman Core start error
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Arun H wrote:
> I am facing an error while starting mailman core, it shows the following
> error:
>
> $ mailman start
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in
> load_entry_point('mailman==3.1.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line
> 94, in main
> initialize(config_path)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py",
> line 188, in initialize
> initialize_1(config_path)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py",
> line 123, in initialize_1
> mailman.config.config.load(config_path)
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line
> 106, in load
> with open(filename, 'r', encoding='utf-8') as user_config:
> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg'
>
> Could anyone tell me how to I correct this error? Thanks.
Where did you install it from?
You might need to run this as `mailman` user instead of your user.
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[Mailman-Developers] Mailman Core start error
I am facing an error while starting mailman core, it shows the following error:
$ mailman start
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in
load_entry_point('mailman==3.1.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 94, in main
initialize(config_path)
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 188,
in initialize
initialize_1(config_path)
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 123,
in initialize_1
mailman.config.config.load(config_path)
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 106, in
load
with open(filename, 'r', encoding='utf-8') as user_config:
PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg'
Could anyone tell me how to I correct this error? Thanks.
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[Mailman-Developers] Re: Loss of data when unsubscribed?
On 3/28/19 4:39 AM, Aaryan Bhagat wrote: > Thanks for the reply, Steve! > > What I am trying to ask is hyperkitty preserves the archives even if the user > unsubscribed or not since the data is important for the discussion in the > thread. But there is a field there "Discussions you have posted to". If a > user resubscribes, will the field contain its posts before unsubscribing or > will it start afresh? I answered this in another thread, but to elaborate just a bit, HyperKitty's concept of user is the Django user that you are logged in as. Even if that address is no longer subscribed to the archived list, when logged in to HyperKitty as the user with that address, you will still see the "Discussions you have posted to" (assuming the archive is public so you can access it at all). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Developers] Re: Loss of data when unsubscribed?
Oh.. great Mark!. The scope of bounce processing was worrying me all the time! Got it now will send the whole proposal at most by tomorrow. Meanwhile you can look at my current methodology here: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-developers@python.org/thread/YVNHTVAZEMRZ4EKBBVGMB25SPWX7Y63C/ On Thu, 28 Mar 2019, 21:58 Mark Sapiro, wrote: > On 3/27/19 11:01 PM, aaryan bhagat wrote: > > I understand you point Steve. > > What I want to ask mainly is that-- > > It is obvious that posts will not be deleted even if the user > unsubscribed. > > But there is a "Discussion you have commented" section. It is linked with > > each user. > > > > If a user resubscribes will this section appear or it will start fresh? > > > You are talking here about HyperKitty. Under various circumstances such > as accessing a private list archive and posting to a list, Hyperkitty > checks if the user is subscribed, but Hyperkitty does not remove or lose > any information just because a user unsubscribes from an archived list. > > Further, bounce processing and the actions related thereto only involve > Mailman core. What some arbitrary archiver may or may not do if an > address is unsubscribed from a list for whatever reason is outside the > scope of bounce processing. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > ___ > Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ > Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > > Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Developers] Re: Loss of data when unsubscribed?
On 3/27/19 11:01 PM, aaryan bhagat wrote: > I understand you point Steve. > What I want to ask mainly is that-- > It is obvious that posts will not be deleted even if the user unsubscribed. > But there is a "Discussion you have commented" section. It is linked with > each user. > > If a user resubscribes will this section appear or it will start fresh? You are talking here about HyperKitty. Under various circumstances such as accessing a private list archive and posting to a list, Hyperkitty checks if the user is subscribed, but Hyperkitty does not remove or lose any information just because a user unsubscribes from an archived list. Further, bounce processing and the actions related thereto only involve Mailman core. What some arbitrary archiver may or may not do if an address is unsubscribed from a list for whatever reason is outside the scope of bounce processing. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
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I understand you point Steve. What I want to ask mainly is that-- It is obvious that posts will not be deleted even if the user unsubscribed. But there is a "Discussion you have commented" section. It is linked with each user. If a user resubscribes will this section appear or it will start fresh? ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Developers] Re: Loss of data when unsubscribed?
Thanks for the reply, Steve! What I am trying to ask is hyperkitty preserves the archives even if the user unsubscribed or not since the data is important for the discussion in the thread. But there is a field there "Discussions you have posted to". If a user resubscribes, will the field contain its posts before unsubscribing or will it start afresh? ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
