Re: [Mailman-Developers] Anti-spam killer app?
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:10:45 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html ... Damn, I wish I'd thought of this. Keep thinking about it. In essence it is a merely a finer grained scoring system. It doesn't fundamentally change the spam cold war; it moves the challenge to writing spam messages which look even more like 'real' messages on a statistical sampling level. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-developers
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Anti-spam killer app?
At 13:10 -0700 8/16/2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: Take a look at this -- http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html It's a new technique for identifying spam. The more I look into the details, the more I think we have the anti-spam killer app, becaues it tunes itself to the individual (or site), adapts as the anti-spammers adapt, and the technique used is fairly easy to implement and damn difficult for a spammer to avoid Damn, I wish I'd thought of this. Me, too. ;-) I find it fascinating that the last URL reference at the bottom (yes, I read that far) is to the page at Apple's site describing the filtering in Apple's revised Mail.app in Mac OS X 10.2. I think the idea has a lot of promise. --John -- John Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Port Ludlow, WA, USA ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-developers
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Anti-spam killer app?
CVR == Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CVR http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html CVR It's a new technique for identifying spam. The more I look CVR into the details, the more I think we have the anti-spam CVR killer app, becaues it tunes itself to the individual (or CVR site), adapts as the anti-spammers adapt, and the technique CVR used is fairly easy to implement and damn difficult for a CVR spammer to avoid CVR Damn, I wish I'd thought of this. Indeed, and from the article... I don't know why I avoided trying the statistical approach for so long. I think it was because I got addicted to trying to identify spam features myself, as if I were playing some kind of competitive game with the spammers. (Nonhackers don't often realize this, but most hackers are very competitive.) Of course you have to realize that 83% of hackers have no idea what a statistical approach means .532 wink. :) On a serious note, who's gonna hack up the Python code for an MM2.1 prototype handler module? -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-developers
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Anti-spam killer app?
On 8/16/02 5:40 PM, Barry A. Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually think we're getting really close, and I'm psyched about all the great feedback I'm getting on beta 3. I'll probably release a beta 4 this weekend, and then I want to get serious wink about a release schedule. Which is perfect timing, because I've installed jaguar on my new test server, and I'm going to spend time this weekend building out the environment, which means sometime in the next few days, I'm going to load up Mailman and see what happens... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.chuqui.com/ No! No! Dead girl, OFF the table! -- Shrek ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-developers
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Anti-spam killer app?
CVR == Chuq Von Rospach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CVR Which is perfect timing, because I've installed jaguar on my CVR new test server, and I'm going to spend time this weekend CVR building out the environment, which means sometime in the CVR next few days, I'm going to load up Mailman and see what CVR happens... Cool! Depending on how adventurous you are, you may want to check out Python 2.3's cvs. Jack Jansen's been doing a lot of work on providing Carbon support for Python, if I've been following his checkins correctly. Haven't played with it, but and of course Python 2.3's not even in alpha yet, but we use it every day and it's pretty stable (performance-wise, mostly if not feature-wise). -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-developers
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Anti-spam killer app?
Satya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't deactivate me!) thingy which'll be called from procmail, and another perl thingy which'll be called from crontab ... well, never mind the details. Yah, I threw it together this afternoon, too. Sorry, guys, I did it in perl, too. I'm just trying to collect enough spam to seed it. I only had a couple hundred laying around. I can start doing some more serious testing. So far, it seems to do the right thing. The code's rather un-polished, but you're welcome to what I've got so far. Darrell ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-developers
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Anti-spam killer app?
On Aug 17, 2002 at 00:38, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: That's okay, I'm going to shame Tim Peters into building an ultra efficient Python version, which we'll just wrap in the MM handler API and be done with it. :) But... but... what will *I* use? On Aug 16, 2002 at 21:55, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Yah, I threw it together this afternoon, too. The code's rather un-polished, but you're welcome to what I've got so far. Awesome, can I have it? -- Satya. URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/ Please feel free to blither now. -- THHGTTG ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-developers
