Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Sprint happening NOW at PyCon 2016 Canada
On 11/15/2016 04:01 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Nov 15, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >> It was a good idea at the time, but IMO it will be way too much work >> to keep up to date as is. If we must provide a bundle, I think we >> should use something like Simon's script (AIUI) to create a fully- >> provisioned tree from git, probably in (a) venv(s), and make a source >> tarball from that, venvs and all. Something like a top-level setup.py >> to install it all in $prefix. >> >> Folks who don't want that (distros, seasoned admins) can probably >> handle git. Probably... ;-) And following readthedocs for config. > I think I missed a reference to Simon's script, but I'd be interested in that > approach too. At this point it sounds like we shouldn't fixate on a single > deployment mechanism; we can provide some official containers, help distro > packagers, and above all, have really good documentation. https://gitlab.com/thelinuxguy/mailman-suite/ It's not really a script. It's a django project configuration (Which you'll need to run postorius/hyperkitty) But it's built so that you can easily choose which components you want to actually use. However you may want to deploy Mailman, you'll have to use such a structure. It's pretty much barebones, with the added complexity resulting from allowing you to choose to run only one of postorius or hyperkitty.. And I tried to write up everything important in the readme... It doesn't actually install anything on its own, but instructs on the different options available... It also includes nginx and uwsgi config files since I'm using them for deployment It should work as is for the master branches, but my setups are a little behind right now... ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Sprint happening NOW at PyCon 2016 Canada
On Nov 15, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >It was a good idea at the time, but IMO it will be way too much work >to keep up to date as is. If we must provide a bundle, I think we >should use something like Simon's script (AIUI) to create a fully- >provisioned tree from git, probably in (a) venv(s), and make a source >tarball from that, venvs and all. Something like a top-level setup.py >to install it all in $prefix. > >Folks who don't want that (distros, seasoned admins) can probably >handle git. Probably... ;-) And following readthedocs for config. I think I missed a reference to Simon's script, but I'd be interested in that approach too. At this point it sounds like we shouldn't fixate on a single deployment mechanism; we can provide some official containers, help distro packagers, and above all, have really good documentation. Cheers, -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Sprint happening NOW at PyCon 2016 Canada
Mark Sapiro writes: > On 11/14/2016 03:52 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > I'm not sure how useful bundler is either. It was a good idea at the time, but IMO it will be way too much work to keep up to date as is. If we must provide a bundle, I think we should use something like Simon's script (AIUI) to create a fully- provisioned tree from git, probably in (a) venv(s), and make a source tarball from that, venvs and all. Something like a top-level setup.py to install it all in $prefix. Folks who don't want that (distros, seasoned admins) can probably handle git. Probably... ;-) And following readthedocs for config. Steve ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Sprint happening NOW at PyCon 2016 Canada
On 11/14/2016 03:52 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > I'm not sure how useful bundler is either. I don't think Mark used it when he > deployed MM3 on python.org. Actually I did, but at this point I wouldn't use it for a fresh install. It was useful for me when I didn't understand how all the pieces fit together, and I still use the mailman-post-update script that it creates to run several Django commands that may be needed following updates to HyperKitty and Postorius. It would need work. It doesn't know to install django-mailman3 nor the changes in Django settings for that and Allauth. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Sprint happening NOW at PyCon 2016 Canada
On 14 November 2016 at 15:52, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Simon Hanna wrote: > > >I went ahead and tagged a couple of issues from Postorius and > mailmanclient > >with the milestone. They are all user facing and I think would result in > a > >lot of new issues, if they are not addresses before. > > Thanks Simon. > > >I guess you need to somehow create a milestone in hyperkitty itself. > > Yep. I just created the 3.1 milestone. Can you see if you can assign > issues > to that milestone? > > >I'm not using it and I guess I won't be in the future. I'm using a git > >repository for my configuration that can be found here > >https://gitlab.com/thelinuxguy/mailman-suite along with a local branch > that > >holds all my deployment specific changes. I still don't really understand > >what bundler does, and I always have to look through all the directories > to > >try and find the file that I want to edit. > > I'm not sure how useful bundler is either. I don't think Mark used it > when he > deployed MM3 on python.org. Container-based solutions seem like the > better > option, and I think we could support multiple container formats without > much > trouble (although, it would be good to have some CI around them). > > Containers does makes things very easy but I am not sure how much comfortable people are with containers running in production for long periods of time, unattended. Dockers seems to be still tinkering with the public facing APIs and breaking compatibilities across versions of clients and server (which itself is another issue due to security). Other solutions like rkt and others are still not very mature and would mean a lot of deployment errors and bugs. However, we can have them as an *option* for deployments along with os specific packages. I'd be willing to help with build automation and maintain containers for all the sub projects. Although, I won't be able to spare a lot of time in next 15 days as I have a paper deadline coming in very soon. > Cheers, > -Barry > ___ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > mailman-developers%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- > developers/raj.abhilash1%40gmail.com > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Sprint happening NOW at PyCon 2016 Canada
On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Simon Hanna wrote: >I went ahead and tagged a couple of issues from Postorius and mailmanclient >with the milestone. They are all user facing and I think would result in a >lot of new issues, if they are not addresses before. Thanks Simon. >I guess you need to somehow create a milestone in hyperkitty itself. Yep. I just created the 3.1 milestone. Can you see if you can assign issues to that milestone? >I'm not using it and I guess I won't be in the future. I'm using a git >repository for my configuration that can be found here >https://gitlab.com/thelinuxguy/mailman-suite along with a local branch that >holds all my deployment specific changes. I still don't really understand >what bundler does, and I always have to look through all the directories to >try and find the file that I want to edit. I'm not sure how useful bundler is either. I don't think Mark used it when he deployed MM3 on python.org. Container-based solutions seem like the better option, and I think we could support multiple container formats without much trouble (although, it would be good to have some CI around them). Cheers, -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Sprint happening NOW at PyCon 2016 Canada
On 11/14/2016 09:17 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > How do the other subprojects look for a December release? > > This is a good link to track the project-wide milestone: > > https://gitlab.com/groups/mailman/milestones/31?title=3.1 I went ahead and tagged a couple of issues from Postorius and mailmanclient with the milestone. They are all user facing and I think would result in a lot of new issues, if they are not addresses before. > One problem is that it doesn't include HK, so we need to figure that out. I guess you need to somehow create a milestone in hyperkitty itself. I don't have the right to do so. I'm not 100% sure, but I guess maxking created those for postorius and hyperkitty > And we need to figure out whether we want to continue to support the bundler > or > use some other container-based release mechanism (I am going to continue to > play with building a Snap for the bits and pieces). Speaking for myself here: I'm not using it and I guess I won't be in the future. I'm using a git repository for my configuration that can be found here https://gitlab.com/thelinuxguy/mailman-suite along with a local branch that holds all my deployment specific changes. I still don't really understand what bundler does, and I always have to look through all the directories to try and find the file that I want to edit. ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Sprint happening NOW at PyCon 2016 Canada
On Nov 15, 2016, at 03:37 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Also, I've done a little tracker curation (specifically HyperKitty), >mostly tagging -- probably you should assume nothing important is >happening if you get notices. Thanks Steve! I guess I should use this opportunity to say that I'd like to get Mailman 3.1 out in December. I'm going to be pretty brutal about triaging Core bugs and merge requests to get it down to a reasonable number, and I'd like to try to do a beta release in a couple of weeks. How do the other subprojects look for a December release? This is a good link to track the project-wide milestone: https://gitlab.com/groups/mailman/milestones/31?title=3.1 One problem is that it doesn't include HK, so we need to figure that out. And we need to figure out whether we want to continue to support the bundler or use some other container-based release mechanism (I am going to continue to play with building a Snap for the bits and pieces). Another reason to do the 3.1 release: I want to retire the 3.0.x branch. Cheers, -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Developers] Mailman Sprint happening NOW at PyCon 2016 Canada
Just to let you know. Also, I've done a little tracker curation (specifically HyperKitty), mostly tagging -- probably you should assume nothing important is happening if you get notices. Steve ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
