Re: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or not?

[Dan Mick]

> I have 2 outstanding questions about mailman configuration options:
> 
> 1)  Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is 
> subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber 
> will be sent to a moderator for approval?
> 
> Yes or No?

Yes

> To let some non-subscribers post without moderation (a practice that I 
> personally feel has dubious value, since their question might be answered 
> in a post to the list, perhaps in response to someone else asking the same 
> question, but they won't see it because they aren't subscribed), how about 
> implementing simple filter so that if a non-subscriber's post mentions one 
> or more keywords, let it through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it goes 
> to the moderator?
> 
> Is this currently available, or not?

No (at least not without hacking SpamDetect.py or something similar)

> 2)  Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages that 
> are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?  Before I move my 
> majordomo list to a new server with new mailing list software (mailman is 
> the software I'm considering, obviously), it is a requirement that I can 
> configure that software to do the same things I can currently easily do 
> with majordomo.  I don't want to waste my time trying to futz around with 
> installing and configuring mailman before I learn that it won't let me do 
> some of the critical things I need it to do.
> 
> Is this available, or not?

Yes.  Automagically, the messages get held for moderation.  With
hacking of SpamDetect.py (in this case, just adding entries to a 
table), the messages can be rejected without commentary or further
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[Mailman-Users] I am have a problem with sendmail using wrapper.

[Javier Henderson]

De Jong, Rich writes:
 > Here is the error I'm recieving... any ideas?:
 > 
 > The original message was received at Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:27:49 -0600
 > from localhost
 > 
 >- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
 > "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"
 > (expanded from: testing-admin)
 > 
 >- Transcript of session follows -
 > |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing: Mailbox does not exist 
 > 550 "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"... User unknown

Did you add the aliases to /etc/mail/aliases or whatever? Did
you tell sendmail about the new aliases file?

-jav

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now ornot?

[Steve Pirk]

Steve
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, JC Dill wrote:
> 
> I have 2 outstanding questions about mailman configuration options:
> 
> 1)  Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is 
> subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber 
> will be sent to a moderator for approval?
> 
> Yes or No?

Yes. The settings are (these *may* be overkill :-):
Privacy Options:
Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine? NO
What steps are required for subscription? Confirm
Who can view subscription list? List Members
Show member addrs so they're not directly recognizable as email addrs? Yes
Must posts be approved by an administrator? No
Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) YES

These basic settings will keep the list private, and *any* posts by
a non-member go to the moderator (owner) for approval.

> 
> To let some non-subscribers post without moderation (a practice that I 
> personally feel has dubious value, since their question might be answered 
> in a post to the list, perhaps in response to someone else asking the same 
> question, but they won't see it because they aren't subscribed), how about 
> implementing simple filter so that if a non-subscriber's post mentions one 
> or more keywords, let it through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it goes 
> to the moderator?
> 
> Is this currently available, or not?
> 
Check the "RegX" settings at the bottom of the privacy options.

> 2)  Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages that 
> are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?  Before I move my 
> majordomo list to a new server with new mailing list software (mailman is 
> the software I'm considering, obviously), it is a requirement that I can 
> configure that software to do the same things I can currently easily do 
> with majordomo.  I don't want to waste my time trying to futz around with 
> installing and configuring mailman before I learn that it won't let me do 
> some of the critical things I need it to do.
> 
> Is this available, or not?

Not sure, but some people have written extra filters to do things like
this. I think a search of the archives might be the only answer.

> 
> jc
> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now ornot?

[alex wetmore]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, JC Dill wrote:
> I have 2 outstanding questions about mailman configuration options:

I've answered these before.

> 1)  Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is 
> subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber 
> will be sent to a moderator for approval?
> 
> Yes or No?

Yes.

> 2)  Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages that 
> are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?  

Headers yes, body no (at least with 2.01).

alex


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wish List

[Phydeaux]

At 05:14 PM 3/30/2001 -0500, Robert V. MacQuarrie wrote:
>Absolutely the best mailing list manager I have ever used! Thanks!
>
>One feature I'd love to see added would be an option to allow new list
>members to only view archives from there joining date. For example, if
>user joins or is added on 3.30.2001 then they should only be able to view
>archives dated from that date and not before.

I fail to see why this would be at all useful. I find it's great when users
peruse the archives because it at least offers some slim hope that
the same question is not brought up again and again and again...

>[...] 3 of the discussion forms I maintain require a discussion on if said
>user should be added on not and members get to voice their opinions and
>concerns before the new user is added (if everyone agrees). I'm sure there
>could be other reasons for an option such as this aswell.

Hey -- it's ancient history... if the data is there and the new list member
wants to see it he is *going* to find a way (like ask a friend who is
also on the list but who has been there longer) ... from my experience
the best thing to do is to let everyone know that what they say will
be "on record."

IMHO this is likely to be much more trouble than it is worth.

>Again, thanks for a great list manager!

Agreed!

reb


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

[J C Lawrence]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:11:58 -0800 
chuq von rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday, March 30, 2001, at 11:05 AM, Ron Echeverri wrote:

>> I disagree.  Since we can't control spammers, perhaps we should
>> simply control ourselves, and instead of complaining about the
>> spam, we should simply delete it.  I

> If you go home at night and smell gas, do you solve the problem by
> deciding to smoke outside from now on? Or do you call a repairman
> to fix the gas leak?

Without questioning the boundaries of topic or religion on this one,
there's also the argument that allowing spammers to control and
alter our behaviour, and thereby granting them that power and
influence over us is fundamentally WRONG and that doing so is
tantamount to kowtowing to terrorists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or not?

[J C Lawrence]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:22:18 -0800 
JC Dill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 11:05 AM 3/30/01, Ron Echeverri wrote:
> 1) Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone
> who is subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a
> non-subscriber will be sent to a moderator for approval?

Yes.  This is an option under privacy options.

You can also configure a list so that only a named set of addresses
can post to the list, regardless of their subscription status.

> To let some non-subscribers post without moderation (a practice
> that I personally feel has dubious value, since their question
> might be answered in a post to the list, perhaps in response to
> someone else asking the same question, but they won't see it
> because they aren't subscribed), how about implementing simple
> filter so that if a non-subscriber's post mentions one or more
> keywords, let it through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it
> goes to the moderator?

This is currently not possible under Mailman alone.  It quite easy
to do however via, say, a combo of procmail and mailman.

> 2) Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages
> that are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?

Yes, within the minor limitations of regular expressions.

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[Mailman-Users] upgrading sendmail broke mailman

[Chris Murray]

I just upgraded my list server from sendmail 8.9.3 to sendmail 8.11.3 and now I am 
getting errors from smrsh about wrapper not available for sendmail programs.

smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname" 

any ideas what I should look at to fix this? I have compiled into my cf support for 
smrsh and have a link in /etc/smrsh to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

Thanks - Chris

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

[Phydeaux]

At 03:29 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
>Without questioning the boundaries of topic or religion on this one,
>there's also the argument that allowing spammers to control and
>alter our behaviour, and thereby granting them that power and
>influence over us is fundamentally WRONG and that doing so is
>tantamount to kowtowing to terrorists.

I think putting bombs on airplanes is WRONG! Allowing terrorists
to make us scared and control and alter our behaviour, thereby granting
them power and influence over us is fundamentally WRONG!
So, we should ignore them and ban all airport security systems
because that's just part of caving in to the terrorists' demands...

reb

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?

[Satya]

On Mar 30, 2001 at 10:52, Mario Pacheco wrote:

>I would like to put Mailman to use in an organization I'm 
>doing some work for *however* there is too much resistance 
>to the idea of requiring users to provide a password to 
>unsubscribe.

Will this do what you want?

http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

[J C Lawrence]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:24:30 -0500 
reb   wrote:

> At 03:29 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> Without questioning the boundaries of topic or religion on this
>> one, there's also the argument that allowing spammers to control
>> and alter our behaviour, and thereby granting them that power and
>> influence over us is fundamentally WRONG and that doing so is
>> tantamount to kowtowing to terrorists.

> I think putting bombs on airplanes is WRONG! Allowing terrorists
> to make us scared and control and alter our behaviour, thereby
> granting them power and influence over us is fundamentally WRONG!

Agreed.

> So, we should ignore them and ban all airport security systems
> because that's just part of caving in to the terrorists'
> demands...

Being cognizant of one's environment is one thing; thus awareness of
terrorist situations and methods of control for them is not an
unreasonable action.  Allowing terrorist threat to modify an
otherwise desirable and reasonable action is another.  Not looking
both ways when crossing the street is simply silly.  Not crossing
the street because the possiblity exists that one may be struck by a
vehicle is also silly.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

[Dave Melton]

Let's develop the analogy here...

An airport security system can be likened to restricting posts 
to list subscribers.  Sure, we all have to stand in line and 
occasionally empty our pockets before we can get on a plane.  
This is a minor inconvenience, but a lot less annoying than 
getting blown out of the sky.

If only subscribers could post to the list, then people would 
have to take the extra two minutes to subscribe before they post
their questions.  They could easily unsub or select nomail after
they get what they need.  This doesn't seem like much of a 
"penalty" to get the great support (for a free product!) that 
this list provides.

While we're on the subject...spammers, hackers and terrorists
should all be shot on sight.

- Dave


On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Phydeaux wrote:

> At 03:29 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> >Without questioning the boundaries of topic or religion on this one,
> >there's also the argument that allowing spammers to control and
> >alter our behaviour, and thereby granting them that power and
> >influence over us is fundamentally WRONG and that doing so is
> >tantamount to kowtowing to terrorists.
> 
> I think putting bombs on airplanes is WRONG! Allowing terrorists
> to make us scared and control and alter our behaviour, thereby granting
> them power and influence over us is fundamentally WRONG!
> So, we should ignore them and ban all airport security systems
> because that's just part of caving in to the terrorists' demands...
> 
> reb


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

[Phydeaux]

At 05:53 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, Dave Melton wrote:

>Let's develop the analogy here...
>
>An airport security system can be likened to restricting posts
>to list subscribers.  Sure, we all have to stand in line and
>occasionally empty our pockets before we can get on a plane.
>This is a minor inconvenience, but a lot less annoying than
>getting blown out of the sky.
>
>If only subscribers could post to the list, then people would
>have to take the extra two minutes to subscribe before they post
>their questions.  They could easily unsub or select nomail after
>they get what they need.  This doesn't seem like much of a
>"penalty" to get the great support (for a free product!) that
>this list provides.

Also, *VOLUNTEER* list administrators could sort the
wheat from the chaff and allow legitimate posts from non-members
onto the list, removing the subscription requirement completely!

>While we're on the subject...spammers, hackers and terrorists
>should all be shot on sight.

To quote from the "Cult of father Darwin" list...

 Let us prey...

 reb


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and CommunigatePro?

[David Herren]

Does anyone have any experience using Mailman with CommunigatePro from
Stalker Software? CGPro also has some list functionality, but I am already
running a number of lists with Mailman that I am loathe to have to move (to
say nothing of the fact that the list functionality in CGPro costs money I
don't have...)

Please copy me directly as I'm a digester...

/david

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman & qmail sporadic message loss

[ii]

I run a set of mailing lists using mailman and qmail.  I've got the lists set up fine, 
everything is running smoothly, except that sometimes people complain that they didn't 
receive a particluar message, while others have received it.  It has happened on more 
than one list, and with different members, so I think mailman is suspect.

I've looked in the qmail and mailman logs but haven't been able to pick up any errors. 
 I've searched google, read the docs, and skimmed the last 3 motnhs of this mailing 
list with no luck.  Has anyone ever seen a problem like this, or can anyone point me 
in the right direction?  Thanks.

I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 - here are my versions:

ii@host:~$ uname -a
Linux host 2.2.14-va.4.4-i586 #1 Tue Sep 5 15:18:51 PDT 2000 i686 unknown
ii@host:~$ dpkg -l | pgrep '(mailman)|(qmail)|(python)|(apache)'
ii  apache 1.3.14-2   Versatile, high-performance HTTP server
ii  apache-common  1.3.14-2   Support files for all Apache webservers
ii  libapache-mod- 2.7.1-1Strong cryptography for Apache
ii  libapache-mod- 2.7.1-1Documentation for Apache module mod_ssl
ii  mailman2.0final-1 Powerful, web based list processor
ii  python-base1.5.2-10   An interactive object-oriented scripting lan
ii  python-zlib1.5.2-10   A compression module for Python using zlib.
ii  qmail  1.03-14Secure, reliable, efficient, simple mail tra
ii  qmail-src  1.03-14Source only package for building qmail binar


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[Mailman-Users] newbie looking for documentation

[Guillermo Pereyra Irujo]

Hello everybody. I'm a new list manager and I'm looking for some
documentation to make some changes that I haven't been able to make
through the /mailman/admin/listname web interface.

I went to www.list.org, but the documentation there explains how all this
(already known in my case) stuff /mailman/admin/listname. For example, I
want to change the Reply-To: header and the addresses which listname-admin
and listname-owner point to, but it isn't described there, nor in the faq.

Could you tell me please where can I find a more complete doc? Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

[Richard B. Pyne]

On 29 Mar 2001, at 11:44, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> "Richard B. Pyne" wrote:
> > With named vrtual domains, mailing lists are always created
> > defaulted to the domain where Mailman was originally installed (the
> > machine's default domain)
> 
> I run named vdomains, to the same IP.  However, I do have a
> separate
> installation for each vdomain (though they all run under ~mailman as
> mailman.mailman)

There is the difference, I run ONE copy of Mailman for the entire 
server. There should be no need to run a separate copy for each 
virtual domain.
 
> 
> > There are also some minor issues on the list of lists for a domain.
> > If the domain is set to foo.com and the user browses to
> > http://www.foo.com/mailman/listinfo they will not see the list but
> > will if they browse to http://foo.com/mailman/listinfo.
> 
> That's not mailman's fault, that's your web server's problem.
> Misconfigured.

No, not msconfigured. Mailman looks at the FQDN when deciding what 
lists to show, not just the second level domain. Changing this 
behaviour COULD cause other undesirable effects though.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "cvr" == chuq von rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

cvr> yup. and until the spam goes away, that'll continue,
cvr> too.

Our Exim administrator has installed the filters suggested by Marc
Merlin (thanks Marc).  Let's see if that staunches the flow of spam.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "RBP" == Richard B Pyne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

RBP> There is the difference, I run ONE copy of Mailman for the
RBP> entire server. There should be no need to run a separate copy
RBP> for each virtual domain.
 
There should be no problem with this /except/ if you want lists with
the same name in different virtual domains.  That is the missing
feature that should be added to Mailman.

-Barry

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[Mailman-Users] Configuration of Mail man

[Marcelo Bitulka]

Hi, how can I set Mail man to configure it under web interface !

The software is already running over SCO platform

Thanks in advance

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[Mailman-Users] Newsletter

[Richard Andersen]

To whom it may concern:

Our company is looking for a software solution to manage an e-mail
newsletter to our clients and other interested parties on a regular basis.
The letter will be fairly straight forward and go out in tens or possibly
hundreds, but certainly no bigger volume than that. We also want to be able
to manage the whole process internally once it has been set up.

Are you able to come up with a proposal in terms of price, time-line,
technical requirements etc, please?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Richard Andersen
Online Media Consultant
Unique Digital  
53 Corsica Street
London N5 1JT
t:  +44 (0)20 7354 5666
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[Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?

[Mario Pacheco]

I would like to put Mailman to use in an 
organization I'm 
doing some work for 
*however* there is too much resistance 

to the idea of requiring users to provide a password to 
unsubscribe.
 
Does Mailman have an option to not require a 
password
for the purposes of unsubscribing?
 
Are there any unofficial patches to change the code 
in
Mailman (presumably 
some Python file) to facilitate this
functionality?
 
Thanks,
-M

[Mailman-Users] attachs and list archive...

[Felipe Sanchez Elich]

hello...
How can I see the attachs in the list archive in a correct format instead a 7 
bit text?

Thanks a lot

Felipe

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[Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?

[Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

See http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm

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[Mailman-Users] Moved mailman to new server

[Noah Cantor]

Hi all.

Last night i moved my mailman files from one server to another. I made a tar
of all the old files, did an scp to the new machine, untarred it, added the
appropriate users (mailman, apache) with the same uid and gids that they had
previously. whe i run check_list  it tells me that the list is set
up correctly, and that the database is working. however, when i send mail to
that list, it gets stuck in the mailman queue, and eventually bounces back to
me telling me that the list doesn't exist. eventually i bandaided the problem
by NFS mounting the mailman directory onto the machine that it used to run on,
which solved the problem, but slowed down the mailing lists a considerable
amount, because now they have to go across an NFS mounted drive. what i was
wondering is if anybody has seen this before and has some idea of what i need
to do to get mailman working on the new server. personally, i suspect that
there's something wrong with the way apache is set up, but i can't find
anything wrong with it.

Thanks,

Noah

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

[Ron Echeverri]

chuq von rospach wrote:
  On Thursday, March 29, 2001, at 11:41  AM, alex wetmore wrote:
  > In the past couple of weeks there have been many more messages
  > complaining about the spam then spam itself...
  yup. and until the spam goes away, that'll continue, too. Which is 
  another reason to make the spam go away -- because it's not only noise 
  in the system, it's noise that breeds other noise.

I disagree.  Since we can't control spammers, perhaps we should simply
control ourselves, and instead of complaining about the spam, we
should simply delete it.  I'm sure Barry is doing all he can to limit
the influx of crap, but there's little he can do about people whining.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer

[chuq von rospach]

On Friday, March 30, 2001, at 11:05  AM, Ron Echeverri wrote:

> I disagree.  Since we can't control spammers, perhaps we should simply
> control ourselves, and instead of complaining about the spam, we
> should simply delete it.  I

If you go home at night and smell gas, do you solve the problem by 
deciding to smoke outside from now on? Or do you call a repairman to fix 
the gas leak?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman to new server

[Noah Cantor]

i'm positive the email is going through the new machine, cause i checked the
queue on the new machine. when i first moved everything, i cleared the queue,
so there wouldn't be any ambiguity. all of the aliases are set up correctly on
the new machine. 
as far as i know, mailman is still running on the old machine... i never
turned it off, in any case.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:04:28AM -0800, JC Dill wrote:
> On 10:48 AM 3/30/01, Noah Cantor wrote:
>  >Hi all.
>  >
>  >Last night i moved my mailman files from one server to another. I made a tar
>  >of all the old files, did an scp to the new machine, untarred it, added the
>  >appropriate users (mailman, apache) with the same uid and gids that they had
>  >previously. whe i run check_list  it tells me that the list is set
>  >up correctly, and that the database is working. however, when i send mail to
>  >that list, it gets stuck in the mailman queue,
> 
> Is mailman still running on the old machine?  Are you SURE the email you 
> are sending is going to (and being returned by) the new machine?  Did you 
> look at the logs of the new machine to see the mail stuck in the queue, and 
> then bounced back?
> 
>   and eventually bounces back to
>  >me telling me that the list doesn't exist. eventually i bandaided the problem
>  >by NFS mounting the mailman directory onto the machine that it used to 
> run on,
>  >which solved the problem, but slowed down the mailing lists a considerable
>  >amount, because now they have to go across an NFS mounted drive. what i was
>  >wondering is if anybody has seen this before and has some idea of what i need
>  >to do to get mailman working on the new server. personally, i suspect that
>  >there's something wrong with the way apache is set up, but i can't find
>  >anything wrong with it.
>  >
>  >Thanks,
>  >
>  >Noah
>  >
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman to new server

[Steve Pirk]

Noah,

Check to make sure you added the "crontab" entries on the new
server. They are listed by running crontab -l as the user mailman.

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Noah Cantor wrote:

> i'm positive the email is going through the new machine, cause i checked the
> queue on the new machine. when i first moved everything, i cleared the queue,
> so there wouldn't be any ambiguity. all of the aliases are set up correctly on
> the new machine. 
> as far as i know, mailman is still running on the old machine... i never
> turned it off, in any case.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:04:28AM -0800, JC Dill wrote:
> > On 10:48 AM 3/30/01, Noah Cantor wrote:
> >  >Hi all.
> >  >
> >  >Last night i moved my mailman files from one server to another. I made a tar
> >  >of all the old files, did an scp to the new machine, untarred it, added the
> >  >appropriate users (mailman, apache) with the same uid and gids that they had
> >  >previously. whe i run check_list  it tells me that the list is set
> >  >up correctly, and that the database is working. however, when i send mail to
> >  >that list, it gets stuck in the mailman queue,
> > 
> > Is mailman still running on the old machine?  Are you SURE the email you 
> > are sending is going to (and being returned by) the new machine?  Did you 
> > look at the logs of the new machine to see the mail stuck in the queue, and 
> > then bounced back?
> > 
> >   and eventually bounces back to
> >  >me telling me that the list doesn't exist. eventually i bandaided the problem
> >  >by NFS mounting the mailman directory onto the machine that it used to 
> > run on,
> >  >which solved the problem, but slowed down the mailing lists a considerable
> >  >amount, because now they have to go across an NFS mounted drive. what i was
> >  >wondering is if anybody has seen this before and has some idea of what i need
> >  >to do to get mailman working on the new server. personally, i suspect that
> >  >there's something wrong with the way apache is set up, but i can't find
> >  >anything wrong with it.
> >  >
> >  >Thanks,
> >  >
> >  >Noah
> >  >
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[Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or not?

[JC Dill]

On 11:05 AM 3/30/01, Ron Echeverri wrote:

 >I disagree.  Since we can't control spammers, perhaps we should simply
 >control ourselves, and instead of complaining about the spam, we
 >should simply delete it.  I'm sure Barry is doing all he can to limit
 >the influx of crap, but there's little he can do about people whining.

As people who setup and manage mailing lists and mailing list servers and 
email servers, keeping spam off the lists *we setup* for our users is part 
of our job.  That's why discussing this issue IS useful, it gets tools made 
that automate that job, which is why we have mailing list software (like 
mailman, like majordomo) in the first place.  This list is merely an 
example.  Keeping spam off this particular list isn't nearly as important 
as being able to keep spam off similar lists, and determining if this can 
be easily done with mailman or not.

I keep bringing up this list merely because it seems to be pity that the 
list server software authors don't care more about configuring their OWN 
list to meet what I consider minimum list configuration requirements.

Perhaps that was a mistake, because I'm not nearly as concerned with the 
setup of this particular list as I am with whether I can configure mailman 
to setup MY lists the way I want them.  So far, none of my questions on 
this topic have been addressed by other subscribers of this list or by the 
software authors.

I have 2 outstanding questions about mailman configuration options:

1)  Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is 
subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber 
will be sent to a moderator for approval?

Yes or No?

To let some non-subscribers post without moderation (a practice that I 
personally feel has dubious value, since their question might be answered 
in a post to the list, perhaps in response to someone else asking the same 
question, but they won't see it because they aren't subscribed), how about 
implementing simple filter so that if a non-subscriber's post mentions one 
or more keywords, let it through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it goes 
to the moderator?

Is this currently available, or not?

2)  Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages that 
are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?  Before I move my 
majordomo list to a new server with new mailing list software (mailman is 
the software I'm considering, obviously), it is a requirement that I can 
configure that software to do the same things I can currently easily do 
with majordomo.  I don't want to waste my time trying to futz around with 
installing and configuring mailman before I learn that it won't let me do 
some of the critical things I need it to do.

Is this available, or not?

jc


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

"Richard B. Pyne" wrote:

> No, not msconfigured. Mailman looks at the FQDN when deciding what
> lists to show, not just the second level domain. Changing this
> behaviour COULD cause other undesirable effects though.

You have mailman installed as 'foo.com', so it never knows about the
'www' part.  Mailman is not responsible for how you set it up, it does what
you tell it to.  If you told it to install as 'www.foo.com', it will also
work that way.

All of my lists sit on 'lists.vdomain.com' and they work just fine as
soon as I add a new list.  There is no editing to be done anywhere, no
domains to be changed, nothing.  None of them conflict with one another,
and I can have the same list name under several domains and everything
works just fine (as separate lists).  The web interface works the same
way.  I can hit 'abc-list' on any of the vdomains (provided it exists on
them) and it would be a different list.

Another solution would be to tell your webserver to serve mailman
through www.foo.com if mailman only knows about foo.com.  Set a pass
through proxy.

AMK4

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[Mailman-Users] I am have a problem with sendmail using wrapper.

[De Jong, Rich]

Here is the error I'm recieving... any ideas?:

The original message was received at Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:27:49 -0600
from localhost

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"
(expanded from: testing-admin)

   - Transcript of session follows -
|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing: Mailbox does not exist 
550 "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"... User unknown





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