Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachements

[Detlef Neubauer]

"L Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there are way to for this tired list admin to not allow posters to 
> post attachments?

You can use stripmime --> http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html or
demime --> http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html

I have tested demime and it works fine.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Debian upgrade hell...

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 10:30 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:

> The patter I usually follow in such cases:
>

And people start to understand why I'm so hard-core about having test 
machines. I'm very paranoid about making changes to a production machine 
that I haven't already made to a test machine. Even for the "I'm only a 
lowly linux user", you can save 99% of these hassles with a cheapo $500 
beat-it-up box that you load with your system and try changes on, or 
even a nspare disk for your desktop and/or laptop. How many hours lost 
to fixing hosed "real" systems pays for that?

I will, sometimes, upgrade a production system cold. If there's a really 
serious issue where the cure is unlikely worse than the disease, or when 
I know the software well enough to know that the risks are minimal (or 
that I can hack it back into shape quickly). But I try to keep that very 
rare.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 10:43 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:

>

> I have a long standing rule on how I reward such people: I
> unsubscribe them, immediately if not sooner.
>

I'm not that hard-@ss yet, but it's one reason why I have (and enforce) 
a "don't try to be a list mom" rule. My rules are actually fairly 
simple. If you want to act like a list mom, know the rules you're 
enforcing. And one of those rules is "don't do that". rather hard for 
them to justify their actions that way, of course (grin)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[J C Lawrence]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:57:38 -0700 
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> (we could, I guess, get into my position that e-mail is a horrible
> way to do this sort of stuff... After all, on a typical discussion
> list, what's usually the first thing that happens after a bunch of
> people get into an enthusiastic discussion? People coming out of
> the woodwork to tell them to shut up, because they're generating
> too many messages... What a great medium, where good discussions
> are so often seen as a bad thing... snicker)

I have a long standing rule on how I reward such people: I
unsubscribe them, immediately if not sooner.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[J C Lawrence]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:39:32 -0400 
bob  > wrote:

> Hmm, can't say I've seen the long turnaround, but you could still
> play with the numbers, based on the fact that the mailbot will
> generate one reply for every message it receives.  In other words,
> you could make a rule something like:

>   Any given user cannot post more than 10 messages in a 24 hour
> period.

> I think this is how Lyris handles such things.

As I previously wrote, this will break, and painfully so, at the
very times you don't want it to.

That said there are more interesting patters which can be used, such
as keeping the MD5 hash of the message bodies (not the headers!) for
the last N messages from each user.  It may break, but it will tend
to do so less catastrophically.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Debian upgrade hell...

[J C Lawrence]

On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 02:09:34 -0700 
Deirdre Saoirse Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thus, what I'd *really* like is the One True configure incantation
> for debian because I've been working on getting this system
> unbroken (without breaking my as-yet-ungraded grad school final
> project of course) in ten hours with extensive searching of
> archives and web.

The patter I usually follow in such cases:

  $ apt-get source mailman
  $ zcat mailman_*.diff.gz
  $ cd mailman=*
  $ debian/rules binary
  $ cat config.status

Then I go hand apply the patch to the newer version as applicable,
repeat the configure line etc.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[J C Lawrence]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:21:54 -0400 
bob  > wrote:

>> If you can find something the mailbot did that (a) would allow
>> mailman to recognize it as such, and (b) wouldn't cause false
>> positives by blocking legitimate messages, let us know. We'll
>> look at improving mailman to trap it.

> Relatively easy.  Set a limit on how many messages a user can post
> in say a 10 minute period.  Make it user editable.  If you get >8,
> you've got a loop!

I will not uncommonly 20 - 30 messages to a list within 10 minutes
(I often write several messages in parallel and then hit send on
them all more or less at once).  For those on dialup accounts who
write their email while offline and then deliver next time they
dialin, I've regularly seen 50+ valid messages from a single user
within a 30 second period.

> You could make the period user-adjustable also, for precisely
> narrowing in... So you might let 8 messages go out, but better 8
> than 1000...

You're betting against the law of averages here.  At the very best,
that's a sucker bet.  Don't do it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[claw]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:21:20 -0700 
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My problem is the false positive problem. You can tune it to catch
> 90% of the mail loops, but mail loops are generally pretty
> infrequent anyway. But can you tune it to do that AND not cause
> false positives with your prolific posters? That's not so
> easy. You run the risk of throttling key posters or motivated
> discussions -- all in the name of occasionally catching a mail
> loop.

> I've found that false positives are VERY bad things on a list. So
> I'd rather do without a filter than one that causes them, unless
> it's very, very important to trap whatever Im trapping.

Ultimately I'd like to see separate moderate queues for the
different hold reasons (at least at the UI level).  Thus, for
instance I'd like to be able to view just the messages held for
moderator approval, just those caught by the spam filters, just
those held by the loop-detectors, etc.  

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachements

[claw]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:39:37 -0400 
L Gallegos  wrote:

> Is there are way to for this tired list admin to not allow posters
> to post attachments?

Configure the list to hole all messages which have a Content-Type
string of other than text/plain.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachements

[Juha Saarinen]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, L Gallegos wrote:

> Is there are way to for this tired list admin to not allow posters to
> post attachments?

Set the maximum attachment size to 0KB?

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[Mailman-Users] Attachements

[L Gallegos]

Is there are way to for this tired list admin to not allow posters to 
post attachments?

Leah G.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 09:41 PM, Bob Puff@NLE wrote:

> I agree that false positives are bad.  But let's take a look at the 
> past few messages people have posted,

true -- but it's no excuse to fix it badly. Or simply create other 
problems.

>  I doubt even the most prolific poster is going to be doing more than 
> 50 posts per day.

Um... I could. I have. but then, back in the Good Old Days, I used to 
consistently be in the top ten biggest sites in Usenet. Not my site, me. 
Back when I was young, single and didn't know better...

>  Let's face it, an agressive autoresponder can cause a melt down.  I'm 
> all for anything that will help avoid that!

Not anything. Because anything would mean you're all for shutting down 
the list simply to avoid the chance of a major mail loop.

The issue isn't whether or not to fix these problems. It's how. And the 
'obvious' fixes (rate limiters) don't really fix the problem. Rather 
than latch onto the first thing you think of and decide it has to be 
'it', it's better to think it through and try to find a way that fixes 
it elegantly, and without creating other problems or impacting your 
users.

Quick hacks usually come back to bite you. Usually on deadline.

> Also consider that this might be a very desirable feature on some 
> lists, limiting the ability of a person to make excessive posts.
>

that's something for a list admin to decide, not a state counter in a 
database.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 09:19 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> Nope, and I agree with everything you've said.  What I was thinking of
> was flagging situations where you see 10 or 50 or 100 posts from the
> same address in the span of a couple of minutes.

But you won't see that, Barry. Think about how a loop operates. You send 
a message to someone with a dweeby mailbot. it responds. that response 
goes back into your incoming queue, and gets sent out again. Then the 
mailbot responds again. For the mailbot to respond that frequently, it 
not only has to be on a very lightly loaded system with quick turnaround 
and a fast pipe, but your mailman system has to be able to churn out 
that quickly, too.

I think the absolute worst I've ever seen on a mailbot loop was about 
1200 in an hour -- and that didn't involve a MLM, just to dueling 
mailbots (mine was stupid and fast, too. I fixed it). Instead, what 
you're likely to see is the message returning once per qrunner instance, 
more or less. It's not a flood, it's a long, slow trickle leading to 
dryrot.

I think you can do pretty much everything you want to do without 
actually rate limiting, and get side benefits as well.

If you:

continue to track X-beenthere

> CVR> If 2.1 doesn't do it, keeping track of message-id's and
> CVR> locking down repeated ones is a good idea.

bounce duplicate message-ids.

> CVR> So is building a suite of keywords "out of the office", "on
> CVR> vacation" that lock to admin approval.
>

do the suite of keywords

and do two other things:

trap any message with a default digest subject line, and

trap any message with the list footer included in the reply

you'll trap pretty much every damn loop out there early and often. The 
two content traps are significant -- because chances are, the loopbot 
will simply return a "Re: today's dweeby digest V1#13 (I am on 
vacation), so if you trap on dweeby digest, you trap the bot. Or they 
include your message in their response, which includeds the standard 
footer, which includes text you can trap against, if you word it right.

Some folks, however, would consider those false positives, since they 
will also trap 'real' replies. My research (and I've actually done a 
number of user surveys on this) actually indicate you're enforcing 
netiquette instead, and the users you honk off by doing so are far 
outnumbered by the ones who are sick and tired of people who don't edit 
included messages or fix the @#$@#$#@ subject line when replying to 
digests. So you get some free benefit and solve two problems at once...

I did a LOT of this kind of filtering on my heavily-hacked majordomo 
system. I got a complaint a montha bout being a content nazi, and they 
were usually about that friendly. (on the other hand, before I started 
bonking "dweeby digest #" subject lines, I got about a dozen 
complaints a month to do something about it, and there was usually a 
fight going on on ONE of the lists where users were arguing about it.). 
Since I moved to mailman, I dropped all that, to see what happened. 
Short answer; users quickly fell back into old, lazy habits, and other 
users quickly started writing me asking me to PUT IT BACK. Even many who 
bitched at me for doing it in the first place. Once they saw what it was 
trapping -- they understood...

I just haven't had time...

when I had my hacks in place, I had very, very few loops sneak through. 
they had to work hard to do it. Mailman's actually pretty good about it, 
and I'd say 95% of the loops that do sneak through could be tgrapped by 
trapping the default digest subject line, but that's mostly because 
digests coerce reply-to (they basically have to. I can't justify 
reply-to-nobody, but it's tempting), and that's what usually starts 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I agree that false positives are bad.  But let's take a look at the past few messages 
people have posted, saying, "I've got a massive autoresponder problem.  How do I stop 
it?!"  We're talking about hundreds, maybe thousands of posts per day.  I doubt even 
the most prolific poster is going to be doing more than 50 posts per day.  Let's face 
it, an agressive autoresponder can cause a melt down.  I'm all for anything that will 
help avoid that!

Also consider that this might be a very desirable feature on some lists, limiting the 
ability of a person to make excessive posts.  

That's why editable numbers would work for everyone - 0 could disable the feature (and 
could be set to this by default), etc etc...

Bob

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

CVR> Could the new queueing system be set up with a timed-backoff
CVR> delay?  you'd have to keep a fair amount of state, but the
CVR> minimum time between postings for a given user is, say, 30
CVR> minutes, and every time they post it doubles? (30, 1 hour, 2
CVR> hours, 4 hours...). this sort of thing gets gnarly fast,
CVR> though, since oyu have to start tracking when the first one
CVR> came in and age it out of the system, or find some other way
CVR> to keep from really honking off your legitimate, prolific
CVR> posters.

I think the queuing system is too coarse for this kind of rate
limiting, and you're absolutely right that the tracking gets hairy
(who really understands the bounce metrics?  Other than John Viega
that is, and I bet even he doesn't remember!  ;)

CVR> do you really want your own posts, or JC's or Dan's held
CVR> simply beacuse they've sat down with a cup of coffee and
CVR> answered ten pending questions all at once?

Nope, and I agree with everything you've said.  What I was thinking of
was flagging situations where you see 10 or 50 or 100 posts from the
same address in the span of a couple of minutes.  Something clearly
faster than a human can type, and which only a spammer or
out-of-control mailbot could be responsible for.  Tuning this thing
would be tricky; a slow trickle from a bad 'bot would get through this
filter, but might also be less annoying that it /does/ get through.

CVR> If 2.1 doesn't do it, keeping track of message-id's and
CVR> locking down repeated ones is a good idea.

I'm starting to go down this road.  I'm about to check in some changes
so that at least the message-id's of flow-thru messages will be
logged, and it's not a great leap from there to red-flagging duplicate
message-ids.

CVR> So is building a suite of keywords "out of the office", "on
CVR> vacation" that lock to admin approval.

Another area that I've been working on, with some preliminary results
hopefully checked in soon.  As I've mentioned before, the really tough
bit here is the web ui.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 09:13 PM, Bob Puff@NLE wrote:

> That was one wild autoresponder!

yeah. Made ME much more aware of why these things need to behave 
properly. I try, although sometimes I fall short with my stuff.

> But I still maintain that having the two variables I mentioned, x 
> number of messages in y minutes, this could be "tuned" per list to be 
> 90% effective.

My problem is the false positive problem. You can tune it to catch 90% 
of the mail loops, but mail loops are generally pretty infrequent 
anyway. But can you tune it to do that AND not cause false positives 
with your prolific posters? That's not so easy. You run the risk of 
throttling key posters or motivated discussions -- all in the name of 
occasionally catching a mail loop.

I've found that false positives are VERY bad things on a list. So I'd 
rather do without a filter than one that causes them, unless it's very, 
very important to trap whatever Im trapping.






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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi Chuq,

That was one wild autoresponder!

But I still maintain that having the two variables I mentioned, x number of messages 
in y minutes, this could be "tuned" per list to be 90% effective.  On a high-volume 
list (like this one), obviously you set the max number of messages higher than on a 
list that only gets a handful of messages per day.

I think we all can agree that while nothing might be 100% effective, it's the mailbots 
that return each message they receive to the list-post address that are the major 
causes of headaches.  THOSE are the ones we need to automatically catch.  And that's 
not that difficult to do.  The mailbots that have long delays - they can be caught by 
the admins that only check in every other day or so, as they are not going to be 
piling on 1000 messages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 08:47 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> One approachable suggestion: put a governor on the number of messages
> any one address is allowed to post to a list per time period.
>

Could the new queueing system be set up with a timed-backoff delay? 
you'd have to keep a fair amount of state, but the minimum time between 
postings for a given user is, say, 30 minutes, and every time they post 
it doubles? (30, 1 hour, 2 hours, 4 hours...). this sort of thing gets 
gnarly fast, though, since oyu have to start tracking when the first one 
came in and age it out of the system, or find some other way to keep 
from really honking off your legitimate, prolific posters.

You're already doing much of what you can without being annoying and 
generating false positives -- the X-BeenThere, for instance. If 2.1 
doesn't do it, keeping track of message-id's and locking down repeated 
ones is a good idea. So is building a suite of keywords "out of the 
office", "on vacation" that lock to admin approval.  Rate limiters, 
though, are double-edged bananas. think about what happens on these 
lists when we get into a burst of discussion or development activity -- 
do you really want your own posts, or JC's or Dan's held simply beacuse 
they've sat down with a cup of coffee and answered ten pending questions 
all at once? You run the risk of honking off the common posters and the 
people who answer questions, or shutting down discussions that get 
interesting, simply because they spike messages. Exactly (IMHO) what you 
don't want -- everytime something gets interesting, a nanny that says 
"don't care if you're having fun, you're posting too much..." (grin)

(we could, I guess, get into my position that e-mail is a horrible way 
to do this sort of stuff... After all, on a typical discussion list, 
what's usually the first thing that happens after a bunch of people get 
into an enthusiastic discussion? People coming out of the woodwork to 
tell them to shut up, because they're generating too many messages... 
What a great medium, where good discussions are so often seen as a bad 
thing... snicker)





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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 08:39 PM, Bob Puff@NLE wrote:

> Hmm, can't say I've seen the long turnaround, but you could still play 
> with the numbers, based on the fact that the mailbot will generate one 
> reply for every message it receives.

My worst case (and I swear this is true). I found a mail loop by pure 
accident that had been going on for over three months, between my 
majordomo software and someone's "I don't work here any more". Both 
sides were nice enough to append the entire previous message, of course. 
He'd send a message saying "I don't work here any more!", and majordomo 
would reply "I don't recognize that command!".

When I found it, the file being sent back and forth was 90 megabytes. It 
was making a round trip about every 18 hours. When it started, it was 
much smaller (it started out as about a 2K message, but every round 
trip, majordomo added 10K, and he added another 2K), and cycled about 
every two hours.

I found it because I was working on my sendmail installation, and I said 
to myself "self! why is there a 90 megabyte e-mail message in here?"

Of course, he stripped the subject and replaced it with his own. He 
stripped any identifying headers in the included body. He stripped the 
message ID and any reference to an existing one. he didn't include any 
key word to trap against. And he responded to everything.

Even if I wanted to trap that beast, there was no hook on it to trap, 
and it travelled slow enough (even at the beginning) that if I wanted to 
trap it on round trips, I'd also trap legitimate prolific users. And 
since you'd have to do some serious analysis of the majordomo logs to 
find it, one can only wonder how much bandwidth it ate before it died. 
At the time, my site would have killed it at 100 megs as a maximum 
message size. I now run a amximum message size much smaller... Just in 
case.

>  In other words, you could make a rule something like:
>
>   Any given user cannot post more than 10 messages in a 24 hour period.
>
And I'd be constantly being blocked from any number of mailing lists, 
including, at times, this one.

That's the problem iwth this kind of "fix". you'll end up with false 
positives, and it doesn't fix the problem. It simply makes it less 
annoying; and it's arguable how much less...



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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> It would be nice if Mailman was more resistant to these mail
>> loops [2].

CVR> Suggestions on how?

One approachable suggestion: put a governor on the number of messages
any one address is allowed to post to a list per time period.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

CVR> One reason why I never use a vacation message.

Same here.  Plus the fact that I realized such a message really makes
no difference whatsoever.  I'm still as unresponsive as ever to the
vast avalanche of email that continues unabated. ;)

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> 
> On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 08:21 PM, Bob Puff@NLE wrote:
> 
> > Relatively easy.  Set a limit on how many messages a user can post in
> > say a 10 minute period.  Make it user editable.  If you get >8, you've
> > got a loop!
> 
> that slows it down, but doesn't catch any but the worst loops. It's just
> as typical to see these things in a 30 minute turnaround as a 3 minute.
> Or 2 hours.  You can reduce the worst of the damage, but these hacks
> don't really fix it.

Hmm, can't say I've seen the long turnaround, but you could still play with the 
numbers, based on the fact that the mailbot will generate one reply for every message 
it receives.  In other words, you could make a rule something like:

  Any given user cannot post more than 10 messages in a 24 hour period.

I think this is how Lyris handles such things.

Bob

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 08:21 PM, Bob Puff@NLE wrote:

> Relatively easy.  Set a limit on how many messages a user can post in 
> say a 10 minute period.  Make it user editable.  If you get >8, you've 
> got a loop!

that slows it down, but doesn't catch any but the worst loops. It's just 
as typical to see these things in a 30 minute turnaround as a 3 minute. 
Or 2 hours.  You can reduce the worst of the damage, but these hacks 
don't really fix it.


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[Mailman-Users] Setting up first list - problems

[Pro-phile Web Development]

I just had someone who knows Linux a great deal more than I, install
mailman. I just tried to create a new list through telnet and got to this
point and received these errors. Can I figure out what is wrong through
this? Or do I need more info?

[mailman@host here bin]$ newlist
Enter the name of the list: cbr900
Enter the email of the person running the list: brian@host here.com
Initial cbr900 password:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 220, in ?
main()
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 169, in main
mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 787, in Create
self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 335, in InitVars
Archiver.InitVars(self) # has configurable stuff
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 70, in InitVars
self.archive_private = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE
AttributeError: DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE

Thanks for the help!



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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> If you can find something the mailbot did that (a) would allow mailman 
> to recognize it as such, and (b) wouldn't cause false positives by 
> blocking legitimate messages, let us know. We'll look at improving 
> mailman to trap it. 

Relatively easy.  Set a limit on how many messages a user can post in say a 10 minute 
period.  Make it user editable.  If you get >8, you've got a loop!

You could make the period user-adjustable also, for precisely narrowing in... So you 
might let 8 messages go out, but better 8 than 1000...

Bob

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[Mailman-Users] need help!

[Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> Is there any way we can set the listserv up in a manner that would allow me to 
> know who the person is who is signing up? I can't tell by E-mail address alone 
> and this is causing us some problems.

http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm

Bob

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Re: [Mailman-Users] RH-7.1 mailman instalation problem

[Dirko van Schalkwyk]

> "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dezo". Command output: Failure to
> exec
> script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)
> 
> I checked /var/log/maillog:
> Jun 21 17:31:24 pc postfix/local[2504]: 2721FEB67:

GID (Group ID) 99 is usually for user nobody. This means
your script
"wrapper" wanted to run with gid 12, but got run as 99
(user nobody)
(postfix for instance only run all piped commands as gid
nobody).
Rather download the source package from

 http://www.list.org/download.html

and install.

Also read http://www.list.org/install-config.html

carefully.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why?

[Dirko van Schalkwyk]

> Daniele wrote:
> 
> Why that?
> Tanx, Daniele.


GID (Group ID) 99 is usually for user nobody. This means
your script
"wrapper" wanted to run with gid 12, but got run as 99
(user nobody)
(postfix for instance only run all piped commands as gid
nobody).
Reinstall with  --with-mail-gid=99 or if you run  Exim
MTA set the GID
with what the script should be run.
 
Also read http://www.list.org/install-config.html
carefully.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help plisss

[Dirko van Schalkwyk]

Lukasz Gruszczynski wrote:
> 
Hi

> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Command died with status 2:
> "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lista". Command output: Failure to
> exec
> script. WANTED gid 555, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

GID (Group ID) 99 is usually for user nobody. This means your script
"wrapper" wanted to run with gid 555, but got run as 99 (user nobody)
(postfix for instance only run all piped commands as gid nobody).
Reinstall with  --with-mail-gid=99 or if you run  Exim MTA set the GID
with what the script should be run.
 
Also read http://www.list.org/install-config.html carefully.

Greets

Dirko

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 05:19 PM, John W Baxter wrote:

> I often wonder why people who would *not* hang
>"Owner away--burgle here"
> signs on their houses on these trips send out "burgle here"

One reason why I never use a vacation message. The other is, for better 
or worse, that I'm never more than a walk back to the hotel room away 
from a modem, and so I'm never away from e-mail even when I'm 
vacationing. The joys of being (a) irreplaceable, and (b) my own boss in 
my spare time.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[John W Baxter]

I often wonder why people who would *not* hang
   "Owner away--burgle here"
signs on their houses on these trips send out "burgle here" invitations in
email.

Ah, well.  I guess it's a sliding scale of some sort...I do hear "we're
away for the weekend" on more answering machines than I should (at least
until the burglar takes the answering machine).

  --John (who keeps forgetting that "burglar" is spelt without an e)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Amanda]

Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

> > Filter that. 
>
> I have this mental image, which includes some very motivated finger
> gesturing. But that's probably not what you meant...

::snickering uncontrollably and wondering how she got caught::
Maaayybe.  Maybe not. I certainly had plenty of other rude things to say.

I may look like a prim and proper stick-in-the-mud webmaster, but in reality I
am a redheaded stubborn grumpy cubicle-farm-dwelling monster who only smiles
sweetly at those who show proper deference and awe and make offerings
appropriate to her goddesslike nature. "Filter that!" with certain colorful
hand gestures would not be so far out of the realm of possibilities...

[Wouldn't that be "Filter this"? Perhaps "I got yer filter right here,
mister!" Hmm...]

=)
Amanda



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password

[claw]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:02:11 -0400 
padhp   wrote:

> I digged through all mailman archives and i was not able to find
> how to subscribe and un-subscribe without password. 
> Is there a way to do it?  

Currently not possible.  There are CGI hacks to do this -- see the
archives for any of several pointers.

> We have home grown list server (Written Perl). On one list we have
> 95,000 e-mails, i am trying port all these e-mails to
> MAILMAN. What is the limit of number of emails per lists?

Highly dependent on machine resources.  Given a fast box I've tested
up to small order millions.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 04:22 PM, Amanda wrote:


>  I now
> have a filter that reads something like this: "If this text appears in 
> the
> subject or body of the message, send it to the trash mailbox: out of the
> office; [..etc...]

And once you've done that, add in german, french, russian, spanish, 
portugese, japanese, chinese and the other languages people write these 
things in... I'm blessed with a hugely international audience on some of 
my lists. (My mother used to be an ob/gyn nurse in a county hospital. 
She could, as she used to joke, say "push" in 17 languages. I've come to 
understand that one very well)

> Yesterday one stupid user blew another hole in my filtering: Her away
> message read "away fromthe office". As we send daily messages, and she's
> going to be away fromthe office for more than a month, I went ahead and
> added her typoed message to my filtering.

me, I just nuke their subscriptions. If you don't, they have no 
motivation to figure it out and fix it. Generally, the first time, they 
get unsubscribed. the second, they get banned.

> Filter that. 

I have this mental image, which includes some very motivated finger 
gesturing. But that's probably not what you meant...


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How about never?  Is never good for you?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Amanda]

Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

> Did the guy who set up the mailbot give mailman any way of telling this
> was a mailbot, or a loop? Did they include any keywords, like "out of
> the office" or "vacation" or "I am an idiot who's mailbot is going to
> make you crazy now"?
> [snip]
> If you can find something the mailbot did that (a) would allow mailman
> to recognize it as such, and (b) wouldn't cause false positives by
> blocking legitimate messages, let us know. We'll look at improving
> mailman to trap it. But the blatting mailbot is the problem -- it's
> ignoring ALL of the things Mailman's done all along to tell the mailbot
> to leave it alone and not bother telling us about the vacation; worse;
> that vacation bot isn't smart enough to know it's already told us -- it
> must think we're really stupid to have to tell us repeatedly

The problem with this is (and boy, howdy, lemme tell ya)... there's always
one turkey who has to do something weird with his vacation message. I now
have a filter that reads something like this: "If this text appears in the
subject or body of the message, send it to the trash mailbox: out of the
office; out of office; out of town; out-of-town; away from the office; away
from my office; away from my desk, away from my email; away from my mail;
unavailable to respond to email; unavailable to email; unable to receive
email; away from the hospital; out of the country; on sabbatical; attending
a seminar; automated response; automatic response; automated responder;
automatic responder; autoresponse; auto-response; auto-reply; automatic
reply; unattended mailbox..."

Yesterday one stupid user blew another hole in my filtering: Her away
message read "away fromthe office". As we send daily messages, and she's
going to be away fromthe office for more than a month, I went ahead and
added her typoed message to my filtering.

Today another one did it to me - his message was "Land ho! We're on an
island-hopping pleasure cruise until mid-July. Don't wait on the pier for
us!"

Filter that. 

Forty thousand users who are too clever for their own damned good. There are

moments that I hate every single one of them, individually and with
heartfelt passion. This afternoon happens to be one of those moments.

=)
Amanda





Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

> On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 11:02 AM, Gunnar Evermann wrote:
>
> > Some guy send a request to list-request and left for holidays
> > activating some stupid vacation feature in his Mailer (Outlook). When
> > Mailman replied to the request message Outlook sent back not one but
> > two vacation messages [1] back to list-request.
>
> > It would be nice if Mailman was more resistant to these mail loops
> > [2].
>
> Suggestions on how?
>
> the mailbot that guy used was seriously broken and non-conforming. It
> ignores Precedence headers, which are there (in part) to tell mailbots
> NOT to mailbot a message in the first place, and it's not smart enough
> to not repeatedly mailbot a single address. Both of those are basic,
> trivial functionality ANY mailbot ought to have -- and many of them have
> had for 15 years or more. It's sad there are still people who think they
> can write softwrae that are so uninformed about stuff they're writing,
> but that's a different argument.
>
> Did the guy who set up the mailbot give mailman any way of telling this
> was a mailbot, or a loop? Did they include any keywords, like "out of
> the office" or "vacation" or "I am an idiot who's mailbot is going to
> make you crazy now"?
>
> Unnfortunately, there's a basic reality here -- no matter how smart you
> make mailman, one stupid mailbot can sidetrack everytihng you can do to
> stop it. Can Mailman get better? sure. what can't? But until people find
> ways to make it better, it's hard.
>
> What did this mailbot do that an automated systems like Mailman
> recognize it?
>
> These mailbot loops are the bane of administrators, especially since the
> worst ones are usually started on Friday afternoon before a 3 day
> weekend, because the worst of the vacation bots are set up at the last
> minute by someone primarily interested in LEAVING, not making the
> mailbot work, and otherwise aren't configured, tested or monitored --
> and the admin is likely gone and doesn't know until he comes back after
> the weekend that the mailbot's been sending 2000 messages an hour. And
> the idiot who sets the mailbot up blames you, of course...
>
> If you can find something the mailbot did that (a) would allow mailman
> to recognize it as such, and (b) wouldn't cause false positives by
> blocking legitimate messages, let us know. We'll look at improving
> mailman to trap it. But the blatting mailbot is the problem -- it's
> ignoring ALL of the things Mailman's done all along to tell the mailbot
> to leave it alone and not bother telling us about the vacation; worse;
> that vacation bot isn't smart enough to know it's already told us -- it
> must think we're really stupid to have to tell us repe

[Mailman-Users] Borland C++5

[Karl Carlile]

I downloaded a free copy of bcc55. But having great difficulty finding a way
of installing it. It seems more difficult than the usual cases.

Do you know what I must do to install it.
Karl


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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribing without password, default password

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "PS" == Pekka Savola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

PS> The listinfo page requires subscribers hit in a password when
PS> joining.  I feel this is counter-productive.

PS> IMO, it would be better to _always_ generate passwords.  This
PS> way they're truly random, aren't "valuable" and the user
PS> doesn't have to think about it.

PS> Consider: the user does _not_ want to know his password (I
PS> don't!).  If he needs to unsubscribe or the like, he can just
PS> order the password mailed to him, or get it from regular
PS> reminders.

PS>  ==> The listinfo page should be revised a bit on the
PS> passwords

Some users want to supply their passwords so that if they are
subscribed to a dozen lists, they won't have to remember a dozen
passwords (or change them a dozen times).  MM2.1 makes this optional;
leave the fields blank when subscribing and it'll generate a random
password for you.

PS> 2)

PS> When I subscribed to a list using a message to
PS> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", the password was set to
PS> "listname" (noticed when ordered my password to be sent over).

PS>  ==> Shouldn't default email password be randomized?

Uh, yeah! :)  I've not seen this behavior.

PS> 3)

PS> Several Linux distributions compile mailman with non-fixed
PS> uid/gid, preferring to use user/groupname, and leave the
PS> decision about uid/gid to install phase.

PS> This causes problems in Defaults.py MAILMAN_UID and
PS> MAILMAN_GID.

PS> I have only seen a real problem with this in check_perms
PS> script, the code of which isn't too robust:

| ---
| try:
| MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
| except KeyError:
| MAILMAN_GRPNAME = '' % MAILMAN_GID
| try:
| MAILMAN_OWNER = pwd.getpwuid(MAILMAN_UID)[0]
| except KeyError:
| MAILMAN_OWNER = 'uid %d' % MAILMAN_UID
| ---

PS> So, GID and UID must be used, not the names.

PS>  ==> would it make sense to be able to use symbolic names
PS> everywhere (perhaps being able to override these in Default.py
PS> by MAILMAN_GRPNAME etc.)?

Probably so.  Patches are welcome. :)

PS> (about 1) and 2))

PS> Perhaps there are some conflicting goals here, the current
PS> method being better for those who want to be better able to
PS> unsubscribe when they no longer have access to the mailbox
PS> they want to unsubscribe from mailing-lists.

PS> Any thoughts, or is there something I've missed?

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 11:02 AM, Gunnar Evermann wrote:

> Some guy send a request to list-request and left for holidays
> activating some stupid vacation feature in his Mailer (Outlook). When
> Mailman replied to the request message Outlook sent back not one but
> two vacation messages [1] back to list-request.

> It would be nice if Mailman was more resistant to these mail loops
> [2].

Suggestions on how?

the mailbot that guy used was seriously broken and non-conforming. It 
ignores Precedence headers, which are there (in part) to tell mailbots 
NOT to mailbot a message in the first place, and it's not smart enough 
to not repeatedly mailbot a single address. Both of those are basic, 
trivial functionality ANY mailbot ought to have -- and many of them have 
had for 15 years or more. It's sad there are still people who think they 
can write softwrae that are so uninformed about stuff they're writing, 
but that's a different argument.

Did the guy who set up the mailbot give mailman any way of telling this 
was a mailbot, or a loop? Did they include any keywords, like "out of 
the office" or "vacation" or "I am an idiot who's mailbot is going to 
make you crazy now"?

Unnfortunately, there's a basic reality here -- no matter how smart you 
make mailman, one stupid mailbot can sidetrack everytihng you can do to 
stop it. Can Mailman get better? sure. what can't? But until people find 
ways to make it better, it's hard.

What did this mailbot do that an automated systems like Mailman 
recognize it?

These mailbot loops are the bane of administrators, especially since the 
worst ones are usually started on Friday afternoon before a 3 day 
weekend, because the worst of the vacation bots are set up at the last 
minute by someone primarily interested in LEAVING, not making the 
mailbot work, and otherwise aren't configured, tested or monitored -- 
and the admin is likely gone and doesn't know until he comes back after 
the weekend that the mailbot's been sending 2000 messages an hour. And 
the idiot who sets the mailbot up blames you, of course...

If you can find something the mailbot did that (a) would allow mailman 
to recognize it as such, and (b) wouldn't cause false positives by 
blocking legitimate messages, let us know. We'll look at improving 
mailman to trap it. But the blatting mailbot is the problem -- it's 
ignoring ALL of the things Mailman's done all along to tell the mailbot 
to leave it alone and not bother telling us about the vacation; worse; 
that vacation bot isn't smart enough to know it's already told us -- it 
must think we're really stupid to have to tell us repeatedly


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[Mailman-Users] mail loops: list-request and vacation messages

[Gunnar Evermann]

I am running Mailman 2.0 and today had a slight problem with the
installation

AFAICT what happened is:

Some guy send a request to list-request and left for holidays
activating some stupid vacation feature in his Mailer (Outlook). When
Mailman replied to the request message Outlook sent back not one but
two vacation messages [1] back to list-request. Mailman now couldn't
understand these messages and replied with one helpful error message
to each. Outlook responded with 4 vacation messages...

This got out of hand fairly quickly.

It would be nice if Mailman was more resistant to these mail loops
[2]. Any suggestions how to configure/fix it to avoid such things from
happening again?

 Gunnar

 
Footnotes: 
[1]  utterly broken ones gratuitously encoded in base64, but that's
 not the point 
[2]  It would have been bad, even if Outlook had only send one reply
 per message, but the exponential growth made it more
 "interesting".

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[Mailman-Users] Debian upgrade hell...

[Deirdre Saoirse Moen]

[this didn't make it through when I sent it yesterday]

For reasons that have to do with grad school and having started my 
final project for The Class From Hell on another platform, I upgraded 
(hand-compiled) Python 2.1 on my debian system (the only weirdness is 
that I'm running sendmail rather than exim, but otherwise it's a 
pretty stock lightweight debian build).

Oh, and I'm running the testing branch of Debian.

Naturally, cron hated the fact that Python had been upgraded and sent 
me lots of hate mail, for which I created a user and sent it there.

Today that caught up with me, the unhappy cron kvetching had taken my 
load average to 27, at which point sendmail spat a hairball. Note 
that in three years of running the same setup (but until recently on 
SuSE), it's never been that unhappy. Then again, I've never ignored 
it for a week while I was working on finals either.

I'd like to run mailman 2.0, but a) I can't find a debian package 
that wants Python 2.x; b) the ones I can find are for different build 
setups than I have.

Thus, what I'd *really* like is the One True configure incantation 
for debian because I've been working on getting this system unbroken 
(without breaking my as-yet-ungraded grad school final project of 
course) in ten hours with extensive searching of archives and web.

Right now, I have the 2.0.5 tarball from Debian and have patched it. 
However, there's no real help there about what to pass to configure 
and all my guesses thus far have NOT resulted in everything going in 
the happy fun places they need to. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and phone bills

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

CVR> I'm not list mom, but I play one on TV. Speaking for Barry, I
CVR> can only say "let's cut this out and get back to talking
CVR> about mailman"

Yes, please.  Thank you Chuq.

way-behind-in-my-mailman-users-folder-routine-ly y'rs,
-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Saving names of list members

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> I am going to start a Mailman-based list. The tool looks very
>> convenient, but I am stuck with the following problem: the list
>> owner-to-be insists on knowing names of the list members in
>> addition to their email addresses.

JCL> This is not currently possible with Mailman.

It is going to be possible in MM2.1 though.  I already have some
not-checked-in patches to support this, but I have some other things
backed up that need to get checked in first.

-Barry

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[Mailman-Users] Archive Deletion

[RLloyd1]

How can the list administrator delete some or all messages from the Archives?

[Mailman-Users] user with bogus address

[J.D. Laub]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find it in the FAQ
or the list manager's documentation, and the mailman-users archives
aren't searchable.

I'm a list admin using 2.0beta6.  While making various attempts at
working
around the lack of a user name attached to an email address, on the
Member
Management page I subscribed
"[EMAIL PROTECTED] (foo bar)" - INCLUDING the doublequotes.  The parser
seems to have broken on whitespace, and it actually subscribed
"[EMAIL PROTECTED] - note the leading doublequote.

Now when I fire up the Membership list section, "[EMAIL PROTECTED] shows
up with only the digest box checked, and when I hit "submit changes"
(even without making any), the page re-draws with an 'Error
Unsubscribing: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' message at the top (note the missing
doublequote on the address).  I can click on that user & it brings me to
that user's Mailman options page, but when I try to have the password
mailed, the page redraws with nothing but 'Error Invalid options to CGI
script'.

I'd like to avoid bugging my site admin if at all possible.  He's
hosting my list for free, and I don't want to wear out my welcome.  If I
do have to pester him, the more explicit the instructions, the better.

And addressing my original problem: if anybody knows a backdoor way to
get a name attached to a subscriber's email address, please let me
know.  Some of my subscribers' addresses are pretty obscure.  I've
noticed this feature is on the Wishlist, but was trying to find a
workaround.

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[Mailman-Users] Email Subscription

[2ninety Limited]

Hi,

How do users sign up to a mailing list by sending and email?
I've tried using 'Subscribe' in the subject line although it does not work


Thanks

Robert Kerry



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[Mailman-Users] list moderator wiht password

[pedro]

Hi your mail list software are great , but a try to 
found a feature that permit moderate list readonly like a distribucion list that 
check the from of the sender and a password that permit only autorized user 
ditributed news .
 
 
thanks and sorry my 
english.

[Mailman-Users] Why?

[Daniele]

Why that?
Tanx, Daniele.
 
 
 
This message was created automatically by mail 
delivery software (Exim).A message that you sent could not be delivered 
to one or more of itsrecipients. This is a permanent error. The following 
address(es) failed:  pipe to 
|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd 
latoscanaperlulivo_callimaco.com    generated by [EMAIL PROTECTED]    
Child process of virtual_address_pipe transport returned 2 from 
command:    
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapperThe following text was 
generated during the delivery attempt:-- 
|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd 
latoscanaperlulivo_callimaco.com --Failure to exec script. WANTED 
gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)-- This is a copy 
of the message, including all the headers. --Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Received: from 
smtp1.libero.it ([193.70.192.51])by decimal.freeporter.com with esmtp (Exim 
3.20 #1)id 15ClQL-0004Ie-00for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:05:49 -0400Received: from sam (151.14.164.125) by 
smtp1.libero.it (5.5.025)    id 
3AE980E700C5DCD0 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:05:48 +0200Message-ID: 
<00c001c0f9ab$3fc569c0$0100a8c0@sam>From: "Daniele Biasci" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>References: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: 
R: Latoscanaperlulivo -- confirmation of subscription -- request 866825Date: 
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:05:46 +0200MIME-Version: 1.0Content-Type: 
text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 
7bitX-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Mailer: Microsoft 
Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE 
V5.00.2615.200- Original Message -From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: 
Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:03 PMSubject: Latoscanaperlulivo -- confirmation 
of subscription -- request866825> Latoscanaperlulivo -- 
confirmation of subscription -- request 866825>> We have received 
a request from 151.14.164.125 for subscription of> your email address, 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, to the> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailing list.  To confirm the> request, please send a message 
to> [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
and either:>> - maintain the subject line as is (the reply's 
additional "Re:" is> ok),>> - or include the following line 
- and only the following line - in the> message body:>> 
confirm 866825>> (Simply sending a 'reply' to this message should 
work from most email> interfaces, since that usually leaves the subject 
line in the right> form.)>> If you do not wish to subscribe 
to this list, please simply disregard> this message.  Send questions 
to> [EMAIL PROTECTED].>

[Mailman-Users] A short question

[Black Dwarf]

Hi there, I was wondering whether you can help me with a simple problem. I
am using your Mailman list manager to provide my site with a mailing list.
Some time ago I came upon the idea to make a script to archive the messages
that were sent to the list. After doing some research I stumbled upon the
pipermail script you provide with Mailman. However, it did't do exactly
what I wanted (I have some weird stuff I have to do with the message).

I have some passing familiarity with Python, but not enough to make
pipermail work. So the question is simple: what mechanism does Mailman use
to "give" message(s) to pipermail?? Does it pipe them through STDIN or by
some other means?? 

I would be very grateful if you could help me on this, 'cause I'm buffled.
Guess its time to start learning Python... :))

Black Dwarf


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Discard non-member postings automatically?

[Donal Hunt]

I think JB is looking for a way to get rid of pending admin requests for
held postings.  I posted a python script to the list at the end of April
(around then i think!) that did just that.

Have a look through the archives (I think they are searchable now) for
"clear_requests" or something similar, or drop me a mail and i'll dig it
out.

Regards

Donal


Amanda wrote:

> JB:
> Go to your admin page and set it to allow posting from members only. :-)
> 
> =)
> Amanda


J B Bell wrote:

> I recently converted a list to Mailman.  Unfortunately, it's a huge spam
> target, and I get many messages a day from non-members.  Slogging through
> and discarding them all is very annoying.  Is there any way to set a policy
> of discarding non-member postings outright?
>
> --JB
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[Mailman-Users] spam filter?

[Steven Nguyen]

Title: spam filter?





Hi,


I just want to say I love your Mailman program ever since I tested it.  Just one thing though, I notice you said it does integrated spam filters...  how do you enable this feature?  Is it on by default?   Also I had created several list for my known address such as postmaster@mydomain and webmaster@mydomain to trap spam mail.  It caught tons of them. It already gave me enough clue on whether or not I should read it just by the topic and from address, but it's just a pain to go through 100+ trapped junk emails (waiting for me to approve posting) and click discard one by one .  Can you include a button on your next version or whenever to have Discard All button?  Because what I did was I notice you have "Defer" by default...so I skimmed through for the one I approve of ...then update changes...then go back and click Discard one by one...which took a long while.  And also it would be nice to have a button (Spam-listed) that will allow me to add that piece of email address that I discard to a "bad email list of addresses" so that should it recieve it again in the future, it can just do auto-discard for me.  I think if you have this feature...it would knock the boots out of all other competing listserv programs.  Thanks.

Steve N

[Mailman-Users] subscribing without password, default password

[Pekka Savola]

Hi,

Just installed Mailman for the first time, 2.0.5.

1)

The listinfo page requires subscribers hit in a password when joining.  I
feel this is counter-productive.

IMO, it would be better to _always_ generate passwords.  This way
they're truly random, aren't "valuable" and the user doesn't have to think
about it.

Consider: the user does _not_ want to know his password (I don't!).  If he
needs to unsubscribe or the like, he can just order the password mailed to
him, or get it from regular reminders.

 ==> The listinfo page should be revised a bit on the passwords

2)

When I subscribed to a list using a message
to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", the password was set to "listname"
(noticed when ordered my password to be sent over).

 ==> Shouldn't default email password be randomized?

3)

Several Linux distributions compile mailman with non-fixed uid/gid,
preferring to use user/groupname, and leave the decision about uid/gid to
install phase.

This causes problems in Defaults.py MAILMAN_UID and MAILMAN_GID.

I have only seen a real problem with this in check_perms script, the code
of which isn't too robust:

---
try:
MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
except KeyError:
MAILMAN_GRPNAME = '' % MAILMAN_GID
try:
MAILMAN_OWNER = pwd.getpwuid(MAILMAN_UID)[0]
except KeyError:
MAILMAN_OWNER = 'uid %d' % MAILMAN_UID
---

So, GID and UID must be used, not the names.

 ==> would it make sense to be able to use symbolic names everywhere
(perhaps being able to override these in Default.py by MAILMAN_GRPNAME
etc.)?


(about 1) and 2))

Perhaps there are some conflicting goals here, the current method being
better for those who want to be better able to unsubscribe when they no
longer have access to the mailbox they want to unsubscribe from
mailing-lists.

Any thoughts, or is there something I've missed?

Please Cc:, not on the list.

-- 
Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted,
Netcore Oy   not those you stumble over and fall"
Systems. Networks. Security.  -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Discard non-member postings automatically?

[Cal Evans]

Turn off Moderator Must Approve, Turn On members Only?

Cal
*
* Cal Evans
* Senior Internet Dreamer
* http://www.calevans.com
*
- Original Message -
From: "Phydeaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Amanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "J B Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Discard non-member postings automatically?


> At 08:55 AM 6/21/2001 -0700, Amanda wrote:
> >Go to your admin page and set it to allow posting from members only. :-)
> >
> >J B Bell wrote:
> >
> > > I recently converted a list to Mailman.  Unfortunately, it's a huge
spam
> > > target, and I get many messages a day from non-members.  Slogging
through
> > > and discarding them all is very annoying.  Is there any way to set a
policy
> > > of discarding non-member postings outright?
>
> I'm sorry -- that's not what he wants.  When you allow posting from
members
> only, posts that do not meet the test are queued for the administrator.
The
> requested feature (I do not believe this is currently available -- I'd
like it
> too) is to auto-reject this kind of message, perhaps with a customizable
> canned response, so the administrator does not have to deal with it.
>
> reb
>
>
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[Mailman-Users] Debian upgrade hell...

[Deirdre Saoirse Moen]

For reasons that have to do with grad school and having started my 
final project for The Class From Hell on another platform, I upgraded 
(hand-compiled) Python 2.1 on my debian system (the only weirdness is 
that I'm running sendmail rather than exim, but otherwise it's a 
pretty stock lightweight debian build).

Oh, and I'm running the testing branch of Debian.

Naturally, cron hated the fact that Python had been upgraded and sent 
me lots of hate mail, for which I created a user and sent it there.

Today that caught up with me, the unhappy cron kvetching had taken my 
load average to 27, at which point sendmail spat a hairball. Note 
that in three years of running the same setup (but until recently on 
SuSE), it's never been that unhappy. Then again, I've never ignored 
it for a week while I was working on finals either.

I'd like to run mailman 2.0, but a) I can't find a debian package 
that wants Python 2.x; b) the ones I can find are for different build 
setups than I have.

Thus, what I'd *really* like is the One True configure incantation 
for debian because I've been working on getting this system unbroken 
(without breaking my as-yet-ungraded grad school final project of 
course) in ten hours with extensive searching of archives and web.

Right now, I have the 2.0.5 tarball from Debian and have patched it. 
However, there's no real help there about what to pass to configure 
and all my guesses thus far have NOT resulted in everything going in 
the happy fun places they need to. 

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Changing Welcome Message

[Vizi Szilard]

Hello,

> Specifically I want to remove the line that says "To post to this list, send
> your email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]" I don't want members to post, only
> the moderator.
 
[vizisz@tatooin vizisz]$ rgrep -r "To post to" /home/mailman/templates/
/home/mailman/templates/subscribeack.txt:To post to this list, send your email to:
/home/mailman/templates/subscribeack.txt.prev:To post to this list, send your email to:

You have to modify subscribeack.txt from the templates directory.

If you want to hide the posting address from the users, you have to
also modify the masthead.txt, listinfo.html from the templates dir.

Szilard Vizi
-
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN:10676592

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[Mailman-Users] Request: support for attachment file extensions

[Colm Smyth]

Hi!

I find mailman an astonishingly useful tool on the mail.gnome.org
web-site, but there is one feature that I really miss - attachments
show the file-name as a URL within the mail message, but they
are saved as bin.bin files. If they were saved as
bin.extension, they would be easier to open in a
browser.

This may already be fixed, but mail.gnome.org is simply out
of date; if so, my apologies and I'll pass my request onto
the gnome.org maintainers.

All the best,

Colm.


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[Mailman-Users] RH-7.1 mailman instalation problem

[Damir Dezeljin]

Dear all,

I have a RedHat-7.1 box with postfix. I tried to set up mailman
(mailman-2.0.1-2.rpm) ... I installed it with rpm -Uvh mailman-2.0.1-2.rpm,
than folow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.1/INSTALL . When I
run bin/check_perms I got:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation

I ignore the error and continue the setup ... I add a list with bin/newlist
and I try to subscribe to it trought web ... I got an E-Mail and I replay to
it just how it wants. When I do this I got an e-mail with error:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Command died with status 2:
"/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dezo". Command output: Failure to
exec
script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

I checked /var/log/maillog:
Jun 21 17:31:24 pc postfix/local[2504]: 2721FEB67:
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced
(Command died with status 2: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dezo".
Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.
(Reconfigure to take 99?) )


Can someone help me to solve the problem or point me on some HOWTO or doc
where can I find how to install an mailman rpm ???

Regards,
Damir Dezeljin

 winmail.dat

[Mailman-Users] Stilll having problems!!!

[scriptures]

Technical Support,

I spoke to soon. I can add and delete names. However, when I try and send a
letter to my members it seems to go nowhere. Before the problem, it was
going to Pending Administion Requests, now there is nothing there when I
send a letter to the address below through ifriendly.com.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

God Bless,

Rosario Abate,
Scriptures(tm)

Phone: (216) 251-6889


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[Mailman-Users] Strange Subscription Problem

[Karl Austin]

Hi,

We are experiencing a strange problem with some of the mailing lists that we
host and seen as I couldn't find an easy way to search your archives I
thought I would email.

The error occurs when someone tries to subscribe to a list, once they have
subscribed they get the confirmation email back, then when they reply to it
they receive this response:

This is an automated response.
There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the
administrative address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with the word "help" in the subject line or in
the body of the message.
If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list, please
send your message to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
The following is a detailed description of the problems.

* confirm 680494
> Invalid confirmation number!
> Note that confirmation numbers expire 3 days after initial request.
> Please check date and number and try again, from the start if
necessary.

This happens before 3 days have elapsed, it happens before 3 minutes have
even elapsed between the request and the confirmation.

I would be very grateful if you could shed some light on this problem.

Thank you,

Karl Austin
KDA Web Services Ltd.


BEGIN:VCARD
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LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:17 Darnholme Crescent=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AMessingham, North Lincolnshire DN17 3=
SL=0D=0AUnited Kingdom
URL:http://www.Design-Associates.net
URL:http://www.KDAWebServices.com
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REV:20010119T204023Z
END:VCARD

[Mailman-Users] Archive Threading Problem

[David A Gilbert]

Has anyone else had a problem with the archives not showing the "RE:" in
the list of messages? Am using Mailman2.04 and Postfix.  I found another
message regarding this problem in the archives which is shown below. Any
suggestions appreciated.  Please reply to me directly. Thank you.

David Gilbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

---

Travis Llewellyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:44:33 -0600

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I am having a problem with a list I have setup.
This is the only list on this server and the first time I have installed v2
of mailman.

I have reinstall and recompiled mailman so many times now that I think I
could do it from memory.

So here is my problem
None of my messages in the archives are showing up threaded. They all show
up a new messages.  Is there something that I have missed?


All the messages I send are getting to the archives OK. They all show up and
I can click on them and read them.

What it is doing is not threading them in the archives.

If I send a message subject test to the list it goes to the list members and
the archive ok.

When I receive the message in my inbox I click on reply to all. This sends a
message to the user and back to the list.

Both messages show up in the archive but they both show up as Test as the
subject as two distinct threads.

It looks Like this
eg...

[LFD-List]Test
[LFD-List]Test

When it should look like this

[LFD-List]Test
..Re:[LFD-List]Test

Does that make it a little clearer.

Thank you again for you assistance.

Travis



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[Mailman-Users] Up and running

[scriptures]

To whomj it may concern

Thank you for reparing the MailMan 1.1. It is up and running.

God Bless,

Rosario Abate CEO
Scriptures(tm)


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[Mailman-Users] Pb when post a msg to all the list

[Cyril Ballesta]

hello, when i post a message to all the list with [EMAIL PROTECTED] the
members never receive the message but the email admin have got it. What
the matter please
For information i use Apache, Exim on RedHat 7.0.
Thank You
  Cyril Ballesta

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

[J C Lawrence]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:46:57 -0500 
Joel Votaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hmmm, the README says that script only currently works with
> unsubscribe requests, but does not handle subscribe requests.  Is
> there any way to subscribe without supplying a password?

If you subscribe by mail as versus the web interface, the system
auto-generates and assigns a password.

> It looks like Mailman is designed from the ground up with the
> assumption that passwords will be used.  Is that correct?

Yes.

-- 
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-(*)  http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
The pressure to survive and rhetoric may make strange bedfellows

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[Mailman-Users] I am receiving this error message.

[Wayne Wieseler]

I am receiving this error message for any of the distribution lists that I have tried 
to join.

Bug in Mailman version 1.1
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to 
the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 161, in main
list.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 893, in AddMember
cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 67, in new
db = self.__load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 97, in __load
return marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected



Environment variables:
VariableValue   
DOCUMENT_ROOT   /usr/local/apache/htdocs
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODINGgzip, deflate   
CONTENT_LENGTH  90  
CONTENT_TYPEapplication/x-www-form-urlencoded   
PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/apache/htdocs/fl_spec
REMOTE_ADDR 10.60.1.31  
HTTP_COOKIE MM_cookie=10.60.1.31.1048799238504232   
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen-us   
GATEWAY_INTERFACE   CGI/1.1 
SERVER_PORT 80  
TZ  US/Pacific  
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)  
QUERY_STRING
HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, 
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, 
application/pdf, */*  
REQUEST_URI /mailman/subscribe/fl_spec  
PATH/usr/sbin:/usr/bin  
REMOTE_PORT 1063
SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe 
PATH_INFO   /fl_spec
HTTP_HOST   lists.macromedia.com
REQUEST_METHOD  POST
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SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/subscribe  
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SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) 
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HTTP_REFERERhttp://lists.macromedia.com/mailman/listinfo/fl_spec
SERVER_NAME lists.macromedia.com
HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive  




Thank you,

Wayne Wieseler

Office: 415.832.7512
Home: 415.566.5651
Mobile: 415.806.5651

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[Mailman-Users] help plisss

[Lukasz Gruszczynski]

helou
i have a small problem witch mailman config

i get allways this msg:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Command died with status 2:
"/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lista". Command output: Failure to
exec
script. WANTED gid 555, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

after instal with
./configure --with-mail-gid=555

what can i do?

Best Re.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

[J C Lawrence]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:04:00 -0700 
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> and passwords on unsubs are silly (sorry, Barry). Users who want
> to unsubscribe want off. they don't want to play games, they just
> want to leave. I have, in the last decade, seen ONE instance of
> forged unsubs on my mail lists, and that was a guy who was trying
> to make a point and so unsubsribed me from my own lists. Let's
> just say he didn't appreciate the response.

My stats are a little higher, and specific to political/chat lists
where egos and tempers tended to run high.  On three occasions we
had unsub wars rather than "admit defeat" in an argument.  As the
list announced unsubs to the list (but not subs) the apparent intent
was to create the impression that the other person had left rather
than lose the point.

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[Mailman-Users] System Jams after I send out a message

[Performing Arts News]

I rolled my system our for the first time this morning and I am having
problems. The system jams up. I can't access the "administer" area; my
mailing list people can't access their "options" page and people can't
subscribe. It appears that his happens a few minutes after I forward a
message and then it stays bad for three or four hours and then mysteriously
clears up until the next time I send a message out. I use mailman through
Hostway.com and I have been having trouble getting them to respond to me
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[Mailman-Users] ?????

[scriptures]

To whomit may concern,

WHY is it taking this long to correct the problem with may MailMan 1.1
account?

God Bless,
Rosario Abate,
Scriptures(tm)

---Original Message--
Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!If you would like to help us identify the problem,
please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 876, in ChangeOptions
lst.SetUserOption(user, okey, 0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 217, in SetUserOption
self.Save()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 799, in Save
self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 274, in
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
breaklink(pubdir)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 64, in breaklink
reraise()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 60, in breaklink
os.unlink(link)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/archives/public/scriptures'








Environment variables:
Variable Value
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/apache/htdocs
SERVER_ADDR  209.223.0.5
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
CONTENT_LENGTH  3002
CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded
PATH_TRANSLATED  /usr/local/apache/htdocs/scriptures/members
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.11 (Unix)
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
HTTP_COOKIE
scriptures:admin="(lp1\012S'216.67.44.136'\012p2\012aI992273494\012aI9922842
94\012aI1185953925\012a."
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
REMOTE_ADDR  216.67.44.136
SERVER_PORT  80
TZ  US/Central
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Mozilla/4.0
(compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; ifriendly.com))
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */*
REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admin/scriptures/members
HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  no-cache
PATH  /usr/sbin:/usr/bin
QUERY_STRING
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
PATH_INFO  /scriptures/members
HTTP_HOST  mail.network.lifeline.net
REQUEST_METHOD  POST
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.11 Server at mail.network.lifeline.net Port 80
SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admin
SERVER_ADMIN  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /opt/users/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
PYTHONPATH  /home/mailman
HTTP_REFERER
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[Mailman-Users] Edit Archive

[WendyW2]

Can I edit the archive for a Mailman mailing list?  I was trying to test the 
system, and posted a message, but  now I would like to remove it, but I don't 
know where to go.  It would be helpful if you offered that option in your 
admin interface.

Thanks-
Wendy Wulff

[Mailman-Users] Archives not wrapping

[Amy Briggs]

I've got mailman 2.05 up and running with a couple 
of lists on it.  Everything seems to be working fine but when you view a 
message in the archives, it does not wrap.
 
I checked the faq and browsed some of the archives 
but didn't see anything on this. 
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
 
Amy

[Mailman-Users] Password

[PAd [Pure As Diamond]]

Hi,
  I digged through all mailman archives and i was not able to find how to 
subscribe and un-subscribe without password. Is there a way to do it?
  We have home grown list server (Written Perl). On one list we have 95,000 
e-mails, i am trying port all these e-mails to MAILMAN. What is the limit of 
number of emails per lists?


Help please

Thanks
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[Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman after sendmail upgrade

[Charlie Clark]

After an update to the most recent sendmail version, mailman receives but no 
longer distributes e-mail, it has run perfectly up until now.

This is an excerpt from the log:
Jun 14 00:26:48 mail sendmail[32528]: f5DMQmK32528:
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=1268, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, bodytype=8BITMIME, proto=SMTP,
daemon=MTA, relay=issv017
0.isis.de [195.158.131.222]
Jun 14 00:26:48 mail sendmail[32529]: f5DMQmK32528: alias
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> => "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
begeistert-orga"
Jun 14 00:26:49 mail sendmail[32529]: f5DMQmK32528:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post begeistert-orga",
ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (2/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30581, dsn
=2.0.0, stat=Sent

The environment is SuSE Linux with sendmail 8.11.4 and Python 1.5.2

I have checked the FAQ and searched the list but couldn't find anything to 
meet my description.

Help much appreciated.

Charlie Clark
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Helmholtzstr. 20
Düsseldorf
D- 40215
Tel: +49-211-938-5360
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[Mailman-Users] How do you do a list of lists

[evittori]

I'am using Mailman 2.3 over RedHat 6.2. All comed very fine until I
tried to do a list of lists. I want to do a new list with many others
lists. This lists are moderated and only the subscribers can post in. I
defined user's e-mail in "Privacy Options" field "Addresses of
members..." but Mailman continues request autorization for delivery
this.

Thanks in advance...

PD: Excuseme for my english, i'm learnnig...

Edson Vittoriano P.






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Re: [Mailman-Users] mass unsubscribe

[Marc MERLIN]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:48:49AM +0200, David Jacobson wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Is there a way to mass unsubscribe users? eg from the bounce log file?

~mailman/bin/remove_members

Marc
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[Mailman-Users] Can You Delete A Message From an Archive?

[Jim_Fannin]

We have a unique circumstance in which a mail message was posted, approved and sent to a list which turned out to have erroneous information in it.  Management would like to remove the message from the archive which is public. Anyone know how to do this without killing the archive?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jim Fannin

[Mailman-Users] A question

[grace]

Hi,
When I running my MTA (postfix) and web server(mailman) on different
machines.
How can I make sure the mailinglist is added to the postfix aliases
database.

Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] need help!

[K. Michele Linch]

Is there any way we can set the listserv up in a manner that would allow me to 
know who the person is who is signing up? I can't tell by E-mail address alone 
and this is causing us some problems.


 >= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
 >Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request
 >approval:
 >
 > For: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >
 >At your convenience, visit:
 >
 > http://list.k12.ar.us/mailman/admindb/ati
 >
 >to process the request.

 K. Michele Linch
 Arkansas Leadership Academy
 University of Arkansas
 Grad Ed 153
 Fayetteville, AR 72701
 (501)575-3030
 1-888-281-2602

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[Mailman-Users] Archive a message without send email

[Maxx]

Hello MailMan users,

I'm a new user of MailMan, and I've to convert some old archives
for a different (customized) mailing list manager to a new
mailing list created with MailMan.
Now the problem is that the archive is about 3 MB and I wouldn't
like to send this as a message to all the subscribed users,
but I want to store into the archive.

I have admin privileges for the list.

How can I do it?
Please, reply also to my mail address, not only the list.

Thanks

Massimo Gais

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[Mailman-Users] qrunner -- problem with huge mail messages

[Dirko van Schalkwyk]

Hi

I have the following situation : 

Mailman 2.0.5 
Python 2.0
MTA : postfix

I set Mailman up, created a test list and played with it
for a while.
Then I send it a big "whopper" 5MB e-mail. I watched the
logs and saw
postfix running the wrapper. The cron started qrunner and
all hell broke
lose (over dramatizing a bit). It started running at 100%
CPU, where it
stayed until I killed it. The message was queued in
$prefix/qfiles, it
and its little .db file. I had to remove those as well as
the locks in
$prefix/locks before I could successfully use the list
again.

So I thought, "well maybe the pipermail thingy can't
handle the huge
mime thingies I'm sending it". So I send a smaller
attachment <150kb.
Things went fine (except for the ugly html page:) ) Send
it a 1MB
attachment. qrunner started spinning it's wheels again.
Had to seek and
destroy again.

So I replaced pipermail with MHonArc (With
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER ,
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER , PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in
mm_cfg.py and the
appropriate thingies in httpd.conf). Small messages
worked fine. Big 
whoppers = no joy i.e. still the same with big messages.
So at least it
is not the archiving bit that messes up.

So I upgraded my Python ;) Ermm, to version 2.0. Still
the same.

Has anyone had the same problem? Can anyone confirm this
as a bug by
sending a 2MB file to a 2.0.5 testlist? 

How do I do a trace in Python? (i.e. it is as familiar to
me as the
bacteria in my stomach (I runs on my machine and there
endeth the
relationship))

Any pointers? Anything? 


Greets

Dirko

Lab E352
E&E Engineering
Univ. of Stellenbosch
South Africa

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your message to Starsfrog awaits moderator approval

[Gergo Soros]

From: "Jean-Luc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...
> I can't have an E-mail going out on the
> mailing list without approval, see the E-mail you receive if you post on the
> ML. Can somebody tell me why?

...
> The reason it is being held:
>
> Message has implicit destination
...


"Implicit destination" has been explained several times on this list, have you
tried searching the archives?

http://search.python.org/query.html?col=lists&ht=0&qp=&qt=%2B%22implicit+destination%22+%2Bmailman&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&ws=0&qm=0&st=1&;
nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&rq=0&si=1

Gergo




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RE: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your message to Starsfrog awaits moderatorapproval

[Jean-Luc]

This one? "Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
".

-Original Message-
From: Enriko Groen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:22 AM
To: 'Jean-Luc'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your message to Starsfrog awaits moderator
approval

Set "allow members to post" (or somthing alike) which is near the "must post
be apporved" option to YES.



> -Original Message-
> From: Jean-Luc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 16:52
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your message to Starsfrog awaits
> moderator
> approval
>
>
> Hi.
> I don't know what to do anymore, I can't have an E-mail going
> out on the
> mailing list without approval, see the E-mail you receive if
> you post on the
> ML. Can somebody tell me why? The "Must posts be approved by an
> administrator?" is checked NO. I don't understand anymore.
> Please help.
> JLC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Your message to Starsfrog awaits moderator approval

Your mail to 'Starsfrog' with the subject

un petit test

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

Message has implicit destination

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple identical copies (100s) ad nauseum being sent as daily digest

[JC Dill]

On 11:55 PM 6/24/01, Dan and Robby Grether wrote:
 >Dear Mailman-Users,
 >
 >We are again having the problem of multiple (100s) of emails coming from
 >our mailing list. The regular emailings are working fine, but the vol 17
 >msg 4 of our daily digest is spewing out 100s of copies to those who were
 >subscribed to the daily digest. I have unsubscribe everyone who was
 >subscribed to the daily digest, but the copies keep coming. How can they be
 >stopped? How can this problem be prevented in the future.
 >
 >I would rather not shut down the whole list---again---to stop them.

This has been addressed here, in the archives, many times before.

The reason people who have been unsubscribed still keep receiving the 
messages (this is a BIG tip off that the problem is NOT your "mailing list 
software", BTW) is that Mailman is not the "thing" sending them.This 
also means that shutting down the entire list will also not be successful 
in stopping the problem.  Mailman handed off the message correctly, once, 
to your MTA for delivery.  The problem is in the MTA.

The duplicate messages are being generated from your MTA (sendmail, qmail, 
etc.), which is broken, and believes for some reason, that the message it 
has already successfully sent hasn't really been successfully sent.  The 
MTA will keep on sending it until you clear the offending message from the 
MTA queue.

Similarly, the fix (to prevent this from happening in the future) will be 
found by changing something within your MTA, not Mailman (although, if 
there's HTML in the digest running your incoming email through demime 
before handing it to Mailman will help prevent a messed up digest with 
screwed up HTML from triggering the MTA's bug).  Fixes vary depending on 
the exact problem and the particular MTA.  Keep a copy of the message so 
you have it to show when asked, and then inquire on a list for your 
particular MTA.

jc  (posted and emailied)



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RE: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your message to Starsfrog awaits moderator approval

[Enriko Groen]

Set "allow members to post" (or somthing alike) which is near the "must post
be apporved" option to YES.



> -Original Message-
> From: Jean-Luc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 16:52
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your message to Starsfrog awaits 
> moderator
> approval
> 
> 
> Hi.
> I don't know what to do anymore, I can't have an E-mail going 
> out on the
> mailing list without approval, see the E-mail you receive if 
> you post on the
> ML. Can somebody tell me why? The "Must posts be approved by an
> administrator?" is checked NO. I don't understand anymore.
> Please help.
> JLC
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Your message to Starsfrog awaits moderator approval

Your mail to 'Starsfrog' with the subject

un petit test

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

Message has implicit destination

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.


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[Mailman-Users] FW: Your message to Starsfrog awaits moderator approval

[Jean-Luc]

Hi.
I don't know what to do anymore, I can't have an E-mail going out on the
mailing list without approval, see the E-mail you receive if you post on the
ML. Can somebody tell me why? The "Must posts be approved by an
administrator?" is checked NO. I don't understand anymore.
Please help.
JLC

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Your message to Starsfrog awaits moderator approval

Your mail to 'Starsfrog' with the subject

un petit test

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

Message has implicit destination

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.


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[Mailman-Users] HTML Header Issue

[James Dinan]

I am running Mailman 2.0.1 on Redhat 6.2 and I am 
having difficulty with the Subscribe Results Page 
(/mailman/subscribe/listname).  More specifically, I have edited the HTML 
and whenever I view the page, mailman appears to be prepending the following to 
the source:

 
which I'm sure you can imagine is wreaking havoc on 
the rest of my HTML.  Has anyone else had this problem, or is this fixed in 
future releases?  Since I am not an admin on the server I am configuring it 
will be difficult (Redhat installs mailman in /var/mailman) to recompile 
mailman.
 
I have just checked http://mail.python.org/mailman/subscribe/mailman-users and 
you can see for yourself that this is also happening with the version of mailman 
that serves this list.
 
- jim dinan.
---James 
Dinan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Gilbert 
Walker Group: Lenox, MA  U.S.AAvailable:  http://www.gilbertwalker.com

[Mailman-Users] Wrong email addresses leading to mail-loops

[Michael Dosser]

Hello dear list members!

We were running mailman 2.02beta and moved to new a new server (FreeBSD 
4.3-STABLE, sendmail 8.11.4 and mailman 2.03). all lists are working fine.

Problem description:
Whenever a members email address is wrong, e.g. bla@.bla.org or whenever a local
email adress has no mailbox qrunner tries to deliver x-times to all members,
which it has reached until the wrong email address. It obviously stops when we
delete the files in $MAILMANHOME/qfiles. But this cannot be the solution since
nobody is sitting there watching postmaster mails every second ;)
Anyway: this is very annoying since lots of members unsubscribed after this 
has happened ... uhm, and: yes, we have bounce options activated on every list
with the options: "5","3","5","disable and notify me". Secound uhm: yes, I
searched the archive, but have not found anything similar.

Question:
Is this a bug in mailman 2.03 or did i make some configuration errors?

If the latter is the case, I added the servers configuration below, hope that's
not to much ...

Settings:

mm_cfg.py:

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mailman.domain.bla'
DEFAULT_URL   = 'http://mailman.domain.bla/mailman/'
MAILMAN_OWNER = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private'
MAX_SPAWNS= 100
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 100
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'

Sendmail:

First looks up the virtusertable and maps then to aliases. All local users
have a virtusertable entry and for every domain we have we put a
@domain.bla error:nouser User unknown
We have cyrus as the local delivery agent.

config.mc:

divert(-1)
VERSIONID(`$Id: generic-bsd4.4.mc,v 8.11 2001/04/04 16:26:02 mic Exp $')dnl
OSTYPE(bsd4.4)dnl
DOMAIN(generic)dnl
define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/sendmail.cw')dnl
define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS', `authwarnings,needmailhelo,noexpn,novrfy')dnl
define(`confTO_CONNECT', `1m')dnl
define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `4d')dnl
define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `4h')dnl
define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/mail/aliases')dnl
define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS',`CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl
define(`CYRUS_MAILER_FLAGS', `SA5@w|')dnl
define(`CYRUS_BB_MAILER_FLAGS', `S')dnl
define(`confLOCAL_MAILER', `cyrus')dnl
define(`CYRUS_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/local/cyrus/bin/deliver')dnl
define(`CERT_DIR', `MAIL_SETTINGS_DIR`'certs')dnl
define(`confCACERT_PATH', `/etc/mail/certs/netbase')dnl
define(`confCACERT', `CERT_DIR/netbase/CAcert.pem')dnl
define(`confSERVER_CERT', `CERT_DIR/netbase/cert.pem')dnl
define(`confSERVER_KEY', `CERT_DIR/netbase/key.pem')dnl
define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `CERT_DIR/netbase/cert.pem')dnl
define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `CERT_DIR/netbase/key.pem')dnl
define(`confRUN_AS_USER',`root:mail')dnl
TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`LOGIN PLAIN')dnl
FEATURE(`domaintable')dnl
FEATURE(`genericstable')dnl
FEATURE(`mailertable')dnl
FEATURE(`redirect')dnl
FEATURE(`use_cw_file')dnl
FEATURE(`access_db')dnl
FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients')dnl
FEATURE(`virtusertable')dnl
FEATURE(`dnsbl')dnl
FEATURE(`delay_checks')dnl
FEATURE(`use_ct_file')dnl
MAILER(local)dnl
MAILER(`smtp')
MAILER(`cyrus')
LOCAL_RULE_0
R$=N$: $#local $: $1
R$=N < @ $=w . >$: $#local $: $1
Rbb + $+ < @ $=w . >$#cyrusbb $: $1


Any help would be appreciated!

Thx in advance,mic

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http://org.netbase.org

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RE: [Mailman-Users] The 386 PC and Linux

[Jarvis, John]

Hell yeah it supports 386.
If you don't have alot of HDD don't install things you don't need.  I used
to run mailman, a webserver and a mailserver on my 486.. (hows that for
"propaganda") heck you would be amazed with what you can do with a stripped
down kernel on a floppy disk.
But hopefully if this is someway related to mailman (as you are writing to
it's listserv) I wouldn't expect too much performance..  When more and more
people started using my list, the 486 eventually died and I had to upgrade
it to a pentium.



-Jarv

-Original Message-
From: Karl Carlile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 2:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The 386 PC and Linux


Important question. Need to know today before I order. Do all versions of
the Linux operating systems run on 386 and 486.If so what ones do? Much of
the propaganda says that they can be run  on a 386.If the cds with the
operating system are up to gig and more how then can they operate from a
386.

Karl


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple identical copies (100s) ad nauseum being sent as daily digest

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Sunday, June 24, 2001, at 11:55 PM, Dan and Robby Grether wrote:

> How can they be stopped? How can this problem be prevented in the 
> future.
>

first thing you need to do is find out where the duplicates are coming 
from. that means going into the logs to find them.

Don't assume mailman's doing it, either. It could also be the MTA 
(sendmail, whatever).

Is this happening to all users? or just users at one site? Because if 
it's the latter, it could be THAT site that's looping, and not your 
fault at all.

you won't know until you go into your logs and find out where the loop 
starts. And we can't do that for you...

There are many possible sources to loops. Until you find it, we can't 
answer your questiosn.


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Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

95% of being a net.god is sounding persuasive
and convincing people you know what you're talking about, even when 
you're
making it up as you go along. (chuq von rospach, 1992)



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