Re: [Mailman-Users] Enlightenment

[Karl Carlile]

I am still waiting for someone to help with the following problem. I want to 
know how I can have addresses that work rather than the dummy addresses below.

This list according to the blurb on the relevant web site is designed, among 
other things, to assist subscribers with installment problems. There are some 
subscribers on the list who sneer at people who are what are called newbies. 
This, in my view, goes against the entire spirit of the Gnew project. Surely 
if the aim is to make Linux increasingly popular then sneering at newbies etc 
is not good policy. Yet these same sneers have not been able to respond to my 
problem. If they know so much then they should be able to assist. I know that 
people such as Amanda and the manager of the list have been quite helpful. I 
appreciate their efforts.
So if someone would please assist me I would appreciate their efforts.

Warm regards
Karl

On Thursday 12 July 2001 13:35, you wrote:
> I succeeded in installing the mailman system on my pc and i created a
> mailing list called test which sent me the following. I omitted my passwrd
> from it.
>
> Now the problem is that I cannot subscribe to the list because these
> addresses dont work. When I access them I get a blank page. I have made
> some changes so that not I dont even get that. At the moment im not
> concerned about the pages. I just want to get the email addresses right. If
> my pc is to be a server do i not make my own email addresses.
> Please help
>
> Karl
> ===
> You need this password to configure your mailing list.  You also need
> it to handle administrative requests, such as approving mail if you
> choose to run a moderated list.
>
> You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
>
> http://localhost.localdomain/mailman/admin/test
>
> The web page for users of your mailing list is:
>
> http://localhost.localdomain/mailman/listinfo/test
>
> You can even customize these web pages from the list configuration
> page.  However, you do need to know HTML to be able to do this.
>
> There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
> of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
> with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
> click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
> Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
> your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Enlightenment

[Phil Stracchino]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 09:36:49AM +0100, Karl Carlile wrote:
> I am still waiting for someone to help with the following problem. I want to 
> know how I can have addresses that work rather than the dummy addresses below.


> > You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
> >
> > http://localhost.localdomain/mailman/admin/test
> >
> > The web page for users of your mailing list is:
> >
> > http://localhost.localdomain/mailman/listinfo/test




Karl,
It looks to me like you didn't configure Mailman properly for your domain.

You do have the machine *hosting* Mailman configured properly, host/domain
wise, right...?  Have you looked at Mailman's logs?  Mae you looked at
your MTA's logs?  Are you certain your MTA is working properly?  When you
say the addresses "don't work", what exactly does that mean -- what
happens when you try to reply?  Do you get an error back?  What is it?  
Can you send mail to any addresses at all on the host machine?  Can you
send mail to root@machine?  Can you send mail from root@machine?


There's two issues at work here:

1. We can't help you if you don't give us enough information about the
   problem.

2. You're coming from a Windows environment aimed at very technically
   unsophisticated users, and trying to jump directly into several complex
   interlinked tools on a very complex, technically demanding operating
   system, all three of which have to work together and work properly to
   do what you want.  It's a very steep learning curve, and you're not
   giving yourself much time to learn it.  Your lack of knowledge limits
   our ability to help you because it limits your ability to know the
   right questions to ask.


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Enlightenment

[Enriko Groen]

> -Original Message-
> From: Karl Carlile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> This list according to the blurb on the relevant web site is 
> designed, among 
> other things, to assist subscribers with installment 
> problems. There are some 
> subscribers on the list who sneer at people who are what are 
> called newbies. 

Although I also dislike to see people getting sneered at and the standard
"look in the archives", I can imagine people getting tired of the same old
questions. Some questions have answers right in the documents that come with
the distribution or in documentation which is linked on the website.

However I agree that some information could be better organised. I already
suggested Barry to add some standard questions in the FAQ. I'll keep an eye
on some standard questions and answers.

But again, Karl, as I wrote from the beginning... your trying to go to
fast...
You need to get some Unix-skills... craftmanship if you please... the
approach of things in a Unix enviroment is so much different from Windows.
Together with that you also need some understanding about the internet,
networking and servers.
Probably the best way to get this knowledge is a good book or some tutorial
websites.

Now to the problem...

> On Thursday 12 July 2001 13:35, you wrote:
> > Now the problem is that I cannot subscribe to the list because these
> > addresses dont work. When I access them I get a blank page. 
> I have made
> > some changes so that not I dont even get that. At the moment im not
> > concerned about the pages. I just want to get the email 
> addresses right. If
> > my pc is to be a server do i not make my own email addresses.

Please add more detail...

>From your attachment it seemed that you didn't configure the host itself. Do
you have a domainname that you can use for the email adresses? You'll need
an official domainname if you want people on the internet to send email to
your machine.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domain matters

[Nigel Metheringham]

On 12 Jul 2001 20:41:10 -0500, J. Frederick Ball OEF wrote:
> Well, I posted about three different questions to the list about how to get 
> the multiple domain thing happening on my system, which elicited varied and 
> interesting comments -- mostly suggestions to either run multiple copies of 
> Mailman or to give in and use a single domain for all lists. 

How you do this depends on what your requirements are...

If you want domains for appearences sake, and 
  - don't need *different* lists with the same name in different
domains
  - don't mind that you can send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (where both foo & bar are list handling domains
on that box

In this case you can just use whatever MTA magic is appropriate, and use
the Mailman prefered host settings.


Nigel.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe script

[Nigel Metheringham]

On 12 Jul 2001 17:03:00 +0200, Pieter Boshoff wrote:
> I would like to know how to obtain a script to unsubscribe users form a list
> that use Exim as the mta.

I don't get what you are asking for.

There are bulk subscribe/unsubscribe scripts in ~mailman/bin
(add_members remove_members etc).  These will work independant of the
MTA.

Nigel.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Removing the X- headers

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "FA" == Forrest Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

FA> The archives are not searchable, otherwise I might have found
FA> this.

Actually, they are, but it's not obvious.  Go to search.python.org and
select "Python mailing list archives" and unselect everything else.

Google's also a good place to search, as they usually index the
python.org mailing lists.  It's not as up-to-date as search.python.org
though.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem in replybot.py

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MM> How do I find which list it comes from or further debug this?

Someone's got a bogus autoreply text.  The syslog() calls in
HandlerAPI.py should include the name of the list that got the
uncaught exception.  You can add this by going to HandlerAPI.py and
changing

syslog('error', 'Delivery exception: %s' % e)

to

syslog('error', 'Uncaught exception on list: %s' % mlist.internal_name())
syslog('error', 'Delivery exception: %s' % e)

Then check the autoreply texts for bogus %()s style interpolation
formats in the string.

I'll make sure MM2.1 is more robust here.

-Barry

P.S. I'd like to know what that string was...

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[Mailman-Users] Read-only list and password requirement

[Brian West]

Can anyone help me on this(thanks in advance):

I'm planning to use mailman for a mailing list that already exists and
I have a few questions:

1. Password requirement: It appears that for my subscribers to use the
mailman system, they need a password. Is that a mandatory feature or is
there a way to turn that off. I will be manually adding all existing
subscribers to the list and want it to be transparent (no new welcome
message etc.) -- if they have to create a password, this obviously
won't work. I just don't want the password requirement to eliminate
subscribers that don't want to take the time to create one.

2. This is a monthly newsletter announcement list, not a discussion
list. Is there a way to make the list one-way? I saw that you can
change the reply address and require approval on all postings but these
seem like time intensive list management work-arounds. Any options?

Thanks much,

Brian West

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[Mailman-Users] List members

[Tania Rodriguez]

Hi there!

Does any of you know if there's a file where are saved the addresses of the members of 
a list??... just like majordomo?

-Tania.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help with rather time-sensitive dilemma??

[Amanda]

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:

> - Try to use Python's smtplib module directly to mimic the same calls
>   Mailman is making to see what kind of failure or return value you're
>   getting.

Heh. I hate to say this, but I know just enough perl to make my life easier, and
nothing about python except that which I can infer from reading existing code.
How do I use Python smtplib to mimic this?

> - Try adding a syslog() call to SMTPDirect.py's process() function,
>   inside the "if code >= 500 and code <> 552" clause to log exactly
>   which error codes you're receiving.  Something like:
>
>   syslog('debug', 'Received error code %d for recipient %s' % (code, recip))
>
>   Then tail the logs/debug file to see which error codes your
>   getting.  Then try to figure out why qmail is returning these error
>   codes. ;)

Nothing that says "Received error code" in syslog. I don't appear to have a
log file called debug. Nothing in servicelog or messages. So I figure either I
dinna add it right, or else there's nothing to log. I'm appending a chunk of the
SMTPDirect.py file.

I'm willing to try anything that doesn't involve formatting the hard drive, at
this point...

=)
Amanda

This is what SMTPDirect.py looks like right now, starting on line 96:

for recip, (code, smtpmsg) in refused.items():
# DRUMS is an internet draft, but it says:
#
#[RFC-821] incorrectly listed the error where an SMTP server
#exhausts its implementation limit on the number of RCPT commands
#("too many recipients") as having reply code 552.  The correct
#reply code for this condition is 452. Clients SHOULD treat a 552
#code in this case as a temporary, rather than permanent failure
#so the logic below works.
#
if code >= 500 and code <> 552:
# It's a permanent failure for this recipient so register it.  We
# don't save the list between each registration because we assume
# it happens around the whole message delivery sequence
### next line AJR 7/13/01 track breakdown delivering remote messages ###
syslog('debug', 'Received error code %d for recipient %s' %
(code,recip))
mlist.RegisterBounce(recip, msg)
else:
# Deal with persistent transient failures by queuing them up for
# future delivery.  TBD: this could generate lots of log entries!
syslog('smtp-failure', '%d %s (%s)' % (code, recip, smtpmsg))
tempfailures.append(recip)
if tempfailures:
msgdata['recips'] = tempfailures
raise HandlerAPI.SomeRecipientsFailed





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Re: [Mailman-Users] List members

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

Tania Rodriguez wrote:

> Does any of you know if there's a file where are saved the addresses of the members 
>of a list??... just like majordomo?

List members (and other information) are stored in the 'config.db' file, and you 
need to use the 'list_members' command
to extract them.

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[Mailman-Users] problems with commands

[PTurner]

Title: problems with commands





When I send an email command (lists, info, etc.) to any of my -request addresses, I get a response back with the following error message at the beginning. Doesnt matter what command I send I always get this back at the beginning. Any suggestions??


This is an automated response.


There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
the administrative address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.


To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with the word "help" in the subject
line or in the body of the message.



Thanks,


Peter

Re: [Mailman-Users] problem in replybot.py

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MM> and now all is good.

Cool.  I've fixed this in the MM2.1 branch so you won't get more
reasonable behavior.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem in replybot.py

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MM> Thankyou for emailing %listname
--^^

BTW, that's why you got the AttributeError!  %l wants a Python
integer, and it was trying to coerce the SafeDict instance using int()
which (naturally) calls __int__ on the instance, which 
SafeDict doesn't have.

-Barry

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[Mailman-Users] Administrative requests

[Michael Thomsen]

I trying to set up a number of mailingslists under a domain. For all af
these lists I would like to have just one administrative email address
attached, but even though I fill in this one address under General
Options->List Admins Adress for each of the lists, it still seems like
administrative request get sent to the address -admin.

Am I doing something wrong?


Cheers, Michael...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List members

[J C Lawrence]

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:30:06 EDT 
Tania Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi there!  Does any of you know if there's a file where are saved
> the addresses of the members of a list??... just like majordomo?

~/lists//config.db

Manipulate with ~/bin/list* and ~/bin/*members.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem in replybot.py

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

BAW> Cool.  I've fixed this in the MM2.1 branch so you won't get
BAW> more reasonable behavior.

D'oh!  Should read "so you will get more reasonable behavior".

That's what I get for trying to compose email in a XEmacs window
running over an X forwarded ssh tunnel on a bog slow network. ;)

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem in replybot.py

[Amanda]

The keyboard, man. Always blame it on the keyboard. ;-)

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:

> > "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> BAW> Cool.  I've fixed this in the MM2.1 branch so you won't get
> BAW> more reasonable behavior.
>
> D'oh!  Should read "so you will get more reasonable behavior".
>
> That's what I get for trying to compose email in a XEmacs window
> running over an X forwarded ssh tunnel on a bog slow network. ;)
>
> -Barry
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[Mailman-Users] Restrict Subscribe

[Marcus Azevedo]

Hi

I need restrict subscribe in my lists.

Just people of my domain can subscribe.

How do I do ??

Thanks !!

Marcus


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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with commands

[Satya]

On Jul 13, 2001 at 14:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>When I send an email command (lists, info, etc.) to any of my -request
>addresses, I get a response back with the following error message at the
>beginning. Doesnt matter what command I send I always get this back at the
>beginning. Any suggestions??

This probably happens because you're composing non-plain-text
mail. Send in plain text, it should be okay.

Surely there was more to the error message?

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[Mailman-Users] Slow command-line unsubscription

[Charlie Watts]

I'm trying to unsubscribe about 1000 addresses from a list of about
12,000.

This is on FreeBSD 4.3, a dual-proc PIII 500. Otherwise un-loaded.

Command-line:
~/bin/remove_members -f /tmp/un-newsletter newsletter

It is taking  -forever- . Watching ~logs/subscribe, addresses are being
un-subscribed at about 1 message per second.

Is this normal?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Slow command-line unsubscription

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On 7/13/01 3:43 PM, "Charlie Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm trying to unsubscribe about 1000 addresses from a list of about
> 12,000.

> It is taking  -forever- . Watching ~logs/subscribe, addresses are being
> un-subscribed at about 1 message per second.
> 
> Is this normal?

Wouldn't surprise me. Since it's a single process, your MP machine isn't
going to use all it's CPU, but the operation is going to be primarily
disk-limted anyway -- are you using fast disks? Slow disks?


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