[Mailman-Users] news and lists
can i make several gateways between several news groups to 1 list. because i have several group of news and i want to relay all the news to only one list, is it possible ? mailman 2.0.5 redhat 7.1 sendmail 8. Thanks for advance, Xavier -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Mailman documentation
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] TFM black hole syndrome Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:30:57 -0700 Amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, and then there's the fact that TFM is, generally speaking: fragmented, incoherent, written from the developer's perspective (rather than the administrator's), not entirely up-to-date, not comprehensive, rarely up to technical writing standards, and not always even in standardized English (American or British, I care not which). [snip] I must tell you, my first experience with Linux software documentation gave me a migraine. It wasn't worth the energy used to display the FM on the screen. I understood less after reading it than before. My allergy to this bizarre and unhelpful genre of writing is not getting much better with the passage of time. [snip] I've long been tempted to hand one of these products to a group of ten-year-olds and have then write the tech manual for it, because their writing is, on average, more insightful, logical, and easy to follow. Having vented that little bit of spleen, I have to say that the Mailman docs are less offensive than most. :-) [snip] Amanda, The Linux Documentation Project (http://www.linuxdoc.org) needs your help. Please become part of the solution. Bill -- Bill Horne -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] umbrella_list?
On Wednesday 17 October 2001 02:13, Shane Beasley wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:
To stop folks from receiving multiple copies, you will have to make
your own mega-list by using a script and building the mega-list from
each of the sub lists.
Not to be outdone, I came up with a one-liner that will add all
subscribers of foo_* to the umbrella list foo_all:
list_lists | awk '{ print $1 }' | grep -i ^foo_ | grep -iv foo_all | \
xargs -rl list_members | sync_members -f - -w=no foo_all
Humbly I must decree that *you* are the superior coder! I had not thought
to use awk! :-)
Jon
BTW: If anyone wants to rewrite that in python, then I'm sure we could get
the developers of Mailman to include a new option that uses an
autogenerated list (generated from your code). Feel like being
immortalized today?
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[Mailman-Users] hidden list
can i hide a list ? I want that people don't see the list in the web, but this list must be on the same server than the others... thanks in advance _ Xavier NOEL-LARDIN SOPRA GROUP / Direction des Moyens Informatiques -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] TrendMicro Interscan Virus Wall for Linux
We're using Trend Micro Viruswall just fine. What I did was to have Viruswall get the email first and pass it to the real sendmail that is running on port 2525. This way, Viruswall does nothing but scan the emails. Sendmail does all the email work. Mailman works just fine. BTW: I have yet another system (in our DMZ) that actually receives the emails from outside (MX points to the external system). I do this because Viruswall does not have all the proper anti-relay preventions, etc. that I wanted. This email relay system just does the anti-relay checks then forwards everything to an internal system with Viruswall and the real sendmail. Vania Lolham wrote: Hello, OS RH7.1 Mailman 2.0.6-1u70_1cl.i386.rpm After fiddling with everything in Mailman and reading every python scripts and checking for typo and so on, I found no problem at all with the mailman, In fact the python source files are written so cool and informative. Now to the problem; All the subscription from internal network for internal users were accepted All the subscription from outside network for outside users were rejected. Sendmail Mail log was telling me error 554 mail relay rejected. All that is cool I can live with it, After getting deep involved in the way wrapper, post and mailcmd are treating the package I was convinced that there isn't any problem with any of them. Last think I could think of was to disable the Interscan VirusWall from (Trend Micro). This time everything worked well. No is there anyone out there using Interscan? I called tech Trend Micro support and so far there is no work around. Do you know of any? As far as I can comprehend; when Interscan is active, it disable the domaintable, access.db, trusted-users.db, IP_allow and mailertable.db and instead uses it's own intscan.ini file to recognise domains, mailertable, trusted-users and ip_allow. I don't see anywhere talking about access. In the access file there are hosts that are allowed to RELAY. okay, end of my gasbagging :)) Please let me know if there is other approach. Thanks. Vania -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Gary Algier, WB2FWZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 856 787 2758 Ulticom Inc., 1020 Briggs Rd, Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054 Fax:+1 856 866 2033 A self-addressed envelope would be addressed envelope. -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving descriptive names to mail adresses
On 16 October 2001, Gerhard den Hollander said: Since it's python that would make it a tad difficult, anyone know of a good python primer and a ``coding mailman for the uninitiated'' book ? (or online docs or ..) Try a Google search for python tutorial. (Searching for python primer turned up a Zope primer and a LaTeX (?!) primer, but no Python primers!) Python is by far the easiest languages to learn I've ever encountered. It's also amazingly powerful -- I'm a bit more productive than I was with Perl (back when I worked in Perl nearly full-time), and waaay more productive then I ever was with C. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer[EMAIL PROTECTED] MEMS Exchangehttp://www.mems-exchange.org -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] list hosting
On 16 October 2001, J. St. Clair said: Am thinking of using your software on my server ... I have a 5,000 subscriber list, does your softare handle that many subscribers? Yes; there have been reports of people hosting lists with 200,000 subscribers. The limiting factor is more likely to be your MTA. Also relevant is the quality/speed of DNS service. For large lists, it sounds like Postfix is the MTA of choice. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer[EMAIL PROTECTED] MEMS Exchangehttp://www.mems-exchange.org -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] LIST: pardon..
quick test -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner member info / subscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Digest time...
I have some (troublesome) subscribers. Some, in one list, want the digest in their in-tray's first thing in the morning. Others, in another list, want the digests to be sent around noon. I can see how to change the global time that digests are sent, that's a quick and easy change to the crontab. What I don't see is how to have different times for different lists. Does anyone have any suggestions for my troublesome lusers? Thanks, Mike -- Mike Avery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home) (970)-642-0244 (office) FAX: (970)-642-0282 ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM: MAvery81230 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: If you're offended now, try playing my message backwards. -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] change the subject
Hi! When I subscribe a new user, he receive a message where the subject is Welcome to: nameof the list. How can I change this welcome to. Thank you ! -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] change the subject
Hi! When I subscribe a new user, he receive a message where the subject is Welcome to: nameof the list. How can I change this welcome to. Thank you ! -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] change the subject
On Wednesday 17 October 2001 10:50, Christian Billette wrote: Hi! When I subscribe a new user, he receive a message where the subject is Welcome to: nameof the list. How can I change this welcome to. Thank you ! You could always tell Mailman to not send a welcome message, then you can send whatever message you would like manually. Other than than you will have to edit some of the source code. Doing a grep for Welcome reveals that you may want to creatively edit the files ~mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py ~mailman/templates/subscribeack.txt in the source code, and then re-compile and install. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] No Resend after receiving after months of working flawlessly
Hi List, After months of flawless work somehow Mailman refuses to work. It accepts messges and puts them in ~mailman/qfiles/, but resending the files isn't doing its job. It isn't his job at all. This I noticed this afternoon when I tried to send a mail to a list. This is the mail I received as root of the host: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:14:55 +0200 (CEST) From: root (Cron Daemon) To: mailman Subject: Cron mailman@teksec /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Memory fault (core dumped) The maillog had the following entry: Oct 17 15:14:54 teksec sendmail[32236]: f9HDET032236: collect: premature EOM: Undefined error: 0 Oct 17 15:14:54 teksec sendmail[32236]: f9HDET032236: collect: unexpected close on connection fro m localhost, sender=[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Undefined error: 0 Oct 17 15:14:55 teksec sendmail[32236]: f9HDET032236: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size =0, class=0, nrcpts=1, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] Oct 17 15:14:56 teksec sendmail[24998]: f9HDEtM24998: from=mailman, size=346, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=mailman@localhost Oct 17 15:14:56 teksec sendmail[24998]: f9HDEtM24998: to=outcast, ctladdr=mailman (1004/1004), de lay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30346, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent The mailman error log reports the following: /home/mailman/logs/error: Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): Traceback (innermost last): Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): File /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 222, in ArchiveMail Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): h.close() Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): File /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 310, in close Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): self.database.close() Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): File /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py, line 264, in close Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): self.__closeIndices() Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): File /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py, line 259, in __closeIndices Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): index.close() Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): File /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py, line 186, in close Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): fp.write(marshal.dumps(self.dict)) Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): MemoryError: Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 (11686) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: duifpan This was I believe originally caused when someone mailed a big PowerPoint Presentation as an attacment (What haven't failed us in the past). This was presumebly the fuse what caused mailman to bomb out =( Currently I'm running OpenBSD 2.9 on the host: uname -a OpenBSD teksec 2.9 GENERIC#653 i386 Mailman is compiled from hand, not from the ports. Has anyone here ever encountered this problem before? I checked random archive entries by month resulting into nothing Could anybody help me out here? Thanks in advance, Sacha Ligthert -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Question
Does anyone if it is possible to have the messages displayed en another languaje than English??? ---Julio CalvoAdministrador Red UNeTLinux Counter # 46275--- smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a limit
On 15 Oct 2001 at 17:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a limit how many names can be on a list. Does it slow down if a list gets too big. This only happens trying to get to the admin page. I can still get to the subscribe info. It opens at /info not on /admin. I am experiencing a problem with only one of my lists. It happens to be the largest list. All of the other lists open fine and work correctly. I don't have the 200,000 user lists that Jon mentioned, my largest list is a bit over 3,000. However, I did have some problems at first. One issue is that my previous list server didn't do anything with bounces - and neither did my moderators - so bad addresses were accumulating in the lists. As Mailman deals with the bad addresses, less and less time is wasted on them, and the whole mess speeds up. I had been using SendMail... converting to Postfix also helped. And cleaning up some local DNS problems also helped. From what I've seen and read here, and my own experiences, cleaning up the environment and the list makes life a lot easier for Mailman. Mike -- Mike Avery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home) (970)-642-0244 (office) FAX: (970)-642-0282 ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM: MAvery81230 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: RAM = Rarely Adequate Memory -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question
On Wednesday 17 October 2001 12:21, Trudy A. Curtis wrote:
Hi,
We have just begun using Mailman in the last few weeks and are still in
the process of figuring things out. So far, it looks pretty good. I've
noticed that email submissions to a list include a lot of extra
information about the list servers, such as
List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help
List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Subscribe: http://ppdm.org/mailman/listinfo/spatial-l,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe
List-Id: Spatial I I Project list server spatial-l.ppdm.org
List-Unsubscribe: http://ppdm.org/mailman/listinfo/spatial-l,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe
List-Archive: http://ppdm.org/pipermail/spatial-l/
As it turns out, our configuration is set up so that users can't actually
access any of this information (our Linux server is not accessible to the
public), so this information is confusing the users. I haven't been able
to find a way to shut this header off so that it does not get added to
the outgoing messages. Anyone out there know how to do that?
Thanks,
Trudy
You can certainly turn these off by editing the source code and then
recompiling. In your case this is fairly easy.
Greping through the source code indicates that the headers are added in :
~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py
A good way into that file you will see something like this:
listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
#
# TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
# leave it in for historical reasons.
headers = {
'List-Id' : listid,
'List-Help' : 'mailto:%s?subject=help' % requestaddr,
'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
'List-Subscribe' : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
'List-Post' : 'mailto:%s' % mlist.GetListEmail(),
}
#
It's all in plain text. Feel free to edit or delete (or add your own
fields). I would at a minimum keep List-Id:
listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
#
# TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
# leave it in for historical reasons.
headers = {
'List-Id' : listid,
}
#
Now recompile and install.
Good Luck - Jon Carnes
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No Resend after receiving after months of working flawlessly
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): MemoryError: Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 (11686) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: duifpan Could you in fact be running out of memory? Large list, Large email, small memory and not enough swap space... I only mention this, because it looks like a resource error. You may be running out of some resource that is needed: disk space or memory... -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] No Resend after receiving after months of workingflawlessly
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): MemoryError: Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 (11686) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: duifpan Could you in fact be running out of memory? Large list, Large email, small memory and not enough swap space... I only mention this, because it looks like a resource error. You may be running out of some resource that is needed: disk space or memory... This is the top of my `top`: load averages: 0.23, 0.17, 0.16 19:38:51 39 processes: 1 running, 37 idle, 1 zombie CPU states: 0.6% user, 0.0% nice, 0.3% system, 0.6% interrupt, 98.4% idle Memory: Real: 17M/39M act/tot Free: 49M Swap: 3176K/128M used/tot My df -h: FilesystemSize Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0g 193M43M 140M24%/var /dev/wd0i 2.9G 1.0G 1.7G38%/home And the E-mail that was sent was indeed large, that took mailman down I pressume. So at this point I don't see anything that could cause the crash. And even now Mailman refuses to sendmail. Might a reinstall of mailman be a sollution? Sacha -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] No Resend after receiving after months of working flawlessly
And the E-mail that was sent was indeed large, that took mailman down I pressume. So at this point I don't see anything that could cause the crash. And even now Mailman refuses to sendmail. Might a reinstall of mailman be a sollution? Sacha I would delete the backed up qfiles first and see if that doesn't clear it all up. Plus your config files may have gotten corrupt. You should run check_db on them. Do you make weekly (or daily) backups? It could still be a memory problem since we don't know what state you server was in while handling the list. Memory is really cheap these days, and it sure couldn't hurt to add some. I wonder though if this could be a lock file problem. When something happens while a list is going through a big send *and* someone sends in a change to the config file for the list (an add/delete or a modify of an existing user). Presumably the lock file should prevent the two from accessing the database at the same time (at least in write mode). Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question
On Wednesday 17 October 2001 12:44, Julio Calvo wrote: Does anyone if it is possible to have the messages displayed en another languaje than English??? --- Julio Calvo Administrador Red UNeT Linux Counter # 46275 --- Some folks have done this already. I've seen French and Spanish versions, and I'm sure there are more. The program is open source and easy to modify. Feel free to look at the source code and convert the messaging from English to whatever language you prefer. It looks like the Developers have begun isolating the scripting - moving the text out of the code and into text based files that should be easy to replace with a different language. Of course there are still some headers and other minor things hidden in the code that are in English. Take care - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Mailman local connection
HI! How can I do Mailman connect directly to local delivery agent instead to connect to port 25 of MTA? Thanks. Sandra -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question
Does anyone if it is possible to have the messages displayed en another languaje than English??? Version 2.1 (in alpha) already does: Traditional Chinese German English (USA) Spanish (Spain) French Simplified Chinese Hungarian Italian Japanese Norwegian -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Non-administrator moderator?
Hello all, Is it possible to have a moderator in Mailman without administrator privileges? I would like the moderator only to approve, reject or discard messages, but not to be able to change any of the list configuration parameters. Thank you in advance for your help. Regards, - Xavi. -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] How alpha is 2.1a2?
Hi! I haven't been monitoring Mailman development for a while, so I'm a bit confused. It might be time to upgrade my installation, though.. If I access the download pages of http://www.list.org, it says the current stable version of Mailman is 2.0.6 which is almost as new as the installation I already have. However, there also seems to be a page for Mailman 2.1a2, and there it says Version (2.1a2, released on 11-Jul-2001) is the current stable GNU release. Umm.. Confusing. Is 2.1a2 stable enough to be used in a production system? Or should I wait for a real 2.1 before upgrading? Regards, \EF -- Erik Forsberg http://www.lysator.liu.se/~forsberg/ GPG/PGP Key: 1024D/0BAC89D9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key Fingerprint: B308 87FC 566E 825A 5ABC 247C AC9B AB14 0BAC 89D9 -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] How alpha is 2.1a2?
I haven't been monitoring Mailman development for a while, so I'm a bit confused. It might be time to upgrade my installation, though.. If I access the download pages of http://www.list.org, it says the current stable version of Mailman is 2.0.6 which is almost as new as the installation I already have. However, there also seems to be a page for Mailman 2.1a2, and there it says Version (2.1a2, released on 11-Jul-2001) is the current stable GNU release. Umm.. Confusing. Is 2.1a2 stable enough to be used in a production system? Or should I wait for a real 2.1 before upgrading? The stable GNU release wording is probably inaccurate; 2.1 is still in alpha. However, I'm using current CVS with good luck. It's still a bit rough around edges, and I certainly don't use every feature, so it's possible you may not want to experiment yet. How mature is always a judgement call, but Barry hasn't yet deemed it beta, so... -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] allowing postings from anything
I'm trying to use mailman to replace the sysadm mailing list. I have a lot of machines that send automated emails to that address. However, all are getting rejected with: Message has implicit destination How do I open the list for everything, including posts like that? I've already added the sender name ([EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) but that hasn't solved this. Thanks. - mz -- matthew zeier - In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them. - John von Newmann -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] allowing postings from anything
On Wednesday 17 October 2001 18:59, matthew zeier wrote: I'm trying to use mailman to replace the sysadm mailing list. I have a lot of machines that send automated emails to that address. However, all are getting rejected with: Message has implicit destination How do I open the list for everything, including posts like that? Web over to the Admin pages and go to the Privacy Options page, field: Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list. and put in the full name of list you are using. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
