[Mailman-Users] problems sending to (my) list...

2002-03-28 Thread Gary Wang

hiya. I just installed and configured Mailman on a server running RedHat 
Linux 7.1. The MTA is Postfix, which (I think) is supposed to work like 
sendmail. I have been over the configurations numerous times, but I 
can't seem to find what I am missing.  When I send a test message to my 
test list, my /var/log/maillog just tells me there's no such user as 
test. The MailerDaemon error message says the same thing. Following 
the Common Problems FAQ for sendmail problems, I also created a ln -s 
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper  etc/smrsh/wrapper. What am I missing? (or is 
Postfix just not compatible??)

thanks,
gary

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[Mailman-Users] Re: got it.

2002-03-28 Thread Gary Wang

never mind..
I found this in the archives.

cheers,
gary

 - Original Message -
 From: Jorge Biquez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I read on the archives that I need to be sure that aliases is 
 corrected
  written and updated with newaliases
 
  Do I have to create a user each time I create a list (in this case
 prueba8 ) ?

 The answer is yes, unless you use the -o option when setting up the 
 list
 with newlist.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems sending to (my) list...

2002-03-28 Thread Dan Wilder

On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 01:15:47AM -0800, Dan Wilder wrote:
 
 Did you happen to think to run 
 
   postmap /etc/aliases
 
 ??
 

Arraugh.  Er.

   postalias /etc/aliases

Fumble mind.

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[Mailman-Users] Email Headers

2002-03-28 Thread Darryl Harvey

I was wondering if there was an option to turn on or off the email headers 
that mailman adds.

IE:
List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help
List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Subscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users mailman-users.python.org
List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe
List-Archive: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/


They take up a lot of header space, else maybe move them above the To: 
From: Subject: lines??

I searched the FAQ and the admin docs, but found nothing mentioning these 
headers.  They can get ugly on some mail readers (IE: Eudora)

Thanks
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[Mailman-Users] smtp error

2002-03-28 Thread linux

Hello All, I installed RedHat 7.2 with Mailman from the CD's. I checked the 
/var/mailman/logs/smtp and I see an error.

Mar 28 06:51:02 2002 (1584) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.011 seconds
Mar 28 06:51:02 2002 (1584) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused')

Can anyone tell me what the error is and how to fix it?

Thanks, David



[Mailman-Users] Re: stripping Received: headers

2002-03-28 Thread Tom Neff

Dan Wilder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Be aware that not having [Received:] headers will make troubleshooting
 certain kinds of subscriber problems more difficult.  Not an
 issue for announce-only lists, and maybe not so much an issue
 for moderated lists, but for others, keep a copy.

The simplest way to keep a copy is just to add a file to the alias entry 
when you create the list, e.g.

  mylist: /var/spool/lists/mylist,|/home/mailman2/mail/wrapper post mylist

Even better would be to keep a big Received Chronicle:

  mylist: |/usr/local/bin/reformail -c -X Message-Id: -X Received: |sort 
/var/spool/lists/mylist_recvd,|/usr/local/bin/reformail -I Received: | 
/home/mailman2/mail/wrapper post mylist

That file would contain just the message ID's (or you could use From:) 
followed by their Received: lines.  Tracking down a problem would be 
relatively easy.

You can use one of the log rotater programs to swap these out when they get 
too big.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] approve every post?

2002-03-28 Thread Detlef Neubauer

Jonas Meurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 J. Frederick Ball OEF wrote:

  The reason it is being held:
  Message has implicit destination
  
  Here is the problem -- if you have implicit destinations, such as addresses 
  in the bcc field, the message is held.
 
 Wow, that's my problem too. And how can I tell mailman to ignore
 implicit destination?

Privacy Options

Must posts have list named in destination
(to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable
alias names, specified below)?[X] No  [ ] Yes


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[Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through, but w/ no error message

2002-03-28 Thread RUSSELL P JONES


Ok, so after some help from a few very awesome folks... I reconfigured
mailman using the --with-mail-gid=1

the email i was receiving back said that it was looking for gid 6 but was
getting gid 1, so I recompiled with that gid. I looked through etc/passwd
and the daemon is set as gid 1. I dont know what that means, but I went
with it anyway...

well, now when I send a message to a listserv,  I do not receive an email
telling me that the gid is wrong, but the email also does not get through
to the members of the listserv. Its as if it just gets stuck somewhere...

Any ideas? Any log files I could look at for clues? 

Everything else is still working great, web stuff still works, it still
sends out welcome messages when you add people to groups, etc...

If its any help, the mail server is linux based. I am actually operating
a web server from a win2k box and the mail server from a separate unix
box, the web stuff is administered from the ip of the mailserver.
(66.111.67.23/mailman/admin/) 

With that being said, should i just put myself out of my misery, or are
there any ideas?

thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing confirm message

2002-03-28 Thread Detlef Neubauer

Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I want to simplify the confirm message.

$EDITOR $MAILMANHOME/templates/verify.txt


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[Mailman-Users] Private archives available via Internet

2002-03-28 Thread Nancy Montano

It has come to our attention that mailman archives are available via the
Internet even though mailman archives are deemed as private for mailing
list members viewing only.

If you do a search on Google or any other search engine you can find any
message that was posted to the mailing list.  This is a problem for our
private mailing lists.

Is there  a way to ensure that this is not available?  Also how do you
get read of messages in the archives?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Email Headers

2002-03-28 Thread John W Baxter

At 23:53 +1100 3/28/2002, Darryl Harvey wrote:
I searched the FAQ and the admin docs, but found nothing mentioning these
headers.  They can get ugly on some mail readers (IE: Eudora)

They can be turned off in Eudora (it's easier in the Mac version than the
Windows version).  I have my Eudora set to show the List-Post: and suppress
the others.  I think the method is in the FAQ.

Yes...
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

I searched on headers and scrolled down to 4.1

Note that if you remove the headers, you make life harder for users of mail
programs which make use of them.  Unfortunately, that's a set missing some
key players.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman problem - gid not find

2002-03-28 Thread Carfield Yim

I get the following problem in mailman when try to send mail to the list:


[ Part 2: 'Delivery error report' ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; desktop.carfield.com.hk
Arrival-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:45:04 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2:
'/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post smartcarpark'. Command output:
Failure
to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 65534. (Reconfigure to take
65534?)



How can I fix it? 

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[Mailman-Users] Re: smtp error (linux@ke6upi.com)

2002-03-28 Thread Donna Hanlon

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mar 28 06:51:02 2002 (1584) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.011 seconds
 Mar 28 06:51:02 2002 (1584) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused')
 Can anyone tell me what the error is and how to fix it?

Make sure your mm_cfg.py has a line like this:

SMTPHOST = 'your_hostname.yourdoman'

Also, if you can access /var/log/maillog, it will give you more
information.

Donna

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Private archives available via Internet

2002-03-28 Thread Richard Barrett

At 08:47 28/03/2002 -0700, you wrote:
It has come to our attention that mailman archives are available via the
Internet even though mailman archives are deemed as private for mailing
list members viewing only.

What are the URL paths being returned by the search engine.

Do they point to the web server delivering your Mailman web GUI? This is 
not such a dumb question as it might appear. It is entirely possible for a 
list subscriber to direct their incoming mail from the list to their own 
archive and it is this source which is being referenced by the search 
engines. Potentially the same content as your mailman archive just a 
different location/URL.

If  the URLs being returned point to the web server delivering your Mailman 
web GUI, do they begin with the public archive alias (default /pipermail/) 
or the private script alias (default /mailman/private/) or some other path?

This could give some clue as to how a search engine's indexer gained access 
to the private mail archives you are concerned about.

Any list that was created as private and has stayed as private ever since 
can only be accessed using HTTP, on a _properly_ configured system, via 
mailman's CGI script in $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py. And this script 
requires a list subscribed member e-mail id and associated password before 
it allows list access.

If the web server concerned was mis-configured, so that it could serve the 
pages directly from the private archive storage through the file system via 
some other URL path, rather than the proper CGI path of 
/mailman/private/listname/..., this could give a clue as to what is 
causing your problem.

If the lists concerned were at some time public then the indexer could have 
accessed them at that time but the URL paths returned by the search engine 
would be of the form /pipermail/listname/... and following the link 
should now fail if the list is now private.

If you do a search on Google or any other search engine you can find any
message that was posted to the mailing list.  This is a problem for our
private mailing lists.

But can you access the actual archive mail file via the URL returned by the 
search without having a valid member id and associated password?

The source of your problem will hinge in part on how the search engine 
indexers are crawling your web site. Is it pure 'arms length' HTTP access?

One of the problems with indexing Mailman private list archives to provide 
legitimate search facilities is the cookie authentication scheme used to 
control access by $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py script. The indexers for 
some search engines are not programmed to handle this type of 
authentication. For instance, with the htdig search engine, in order to set 
up search of private list archives one has to do the indexing of them in 
the file space i.e. the indexer has to access the archive files through the 
filing system, and provide the indexer with a rule for mapping the file 
space paths back to the URLs that are to be returned in subsequent search 
results.

Is it possible that such an access path has been set up on your system for 
indexing private archives and that the index information has 'leaked' onto 
a publicly available search engine?

I see you have a search facility on your site. How is this implemented? 
Could this be the source of the leakage from the private mail archives to 
other search engines? How does your site search facility (it appears to be 
delivered by http://search.atomz.com/search/) do its indexing?

Also, I see your site makes use of PHP - no criticism intended - but the 
tools to drive a coach and horse through Mailman's attempts at archive 
security are ready to hand.

Is there  a way to ensure that this is not available?  Also how do you

Yes:

1. configure your mailman and associated web server correctly

2. control the setup of any local archive search facility you set up to 
ensure the information it holds does not leak to outside search engines.

3. add a restriction on access for /mailman/ to your site's robots.txt: yes 
I know! But some search engine crawlers honor it


get read of messages in the archives?

I assume you meant get rid of messages in the archives. If so yes:

1. Edit the raw message in list's mailbox file 
$prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox to remove the offending messages.

2. Rebuild the archive using the command $prefix/bin/arch listname

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[Mailman-Users] virtual hosting / list name

2002-03-28 Thread Will Yardley

so i have a question, which it seems other people may have
experienced...  is there any way to change the email addresses that
mailman sends out to list admins / subscribers?

here's an example:
i have a domain will.invalid and a mailing list named list.

we use a virtual hosting setup, so we actually make the list-name:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

even though aliases point:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to the actual list post.

is there any way to make mailman report the shorter name (without
breaking the list)?

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[Mailman-Users] smtp error is now fixed

2002-03-28 Thread linux

Sendmail was accepting on 199.245.188.13 not 127.0.0.1.
My /etc/hosts file had 127.0.0.1ke6upi.com ke6upi localhost localhost.localdomain.
I changed it to 
127.0.0.1   localhost localhost.localdomain
199.245.188.13 ke6upi.com

Thanks for the help, David Shaw



Re: [Mailman-Users] Email Headers

2002-03-28 Thread J C Lawrence

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:53:00 +1100 
Darryl Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was wondering if there was an option to turn on or off the email
 headers that mailman adds.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting / list name

2002-03-28 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner

Will Yardley wrote:

 we use a virtual hosting setup, so we actually make the list-name:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 even though aliases point:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the actual list post.

 I take a different approach:

 - I create list just the way I want it named  (for example: test)

 - Sendmail's virtusertable does the following translation:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] test-lists.domain.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   test-admin-lists.domain.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED] test-request-lists.domain.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   test-admin-lists.domain.net

 - The Alias file takes care of the rest (lines wrapped):
## [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
## created: 13-Dec-2000 root
test-lists.domain.net: \
 |/home/mailman/lists.domain.net/mail/wrapper post test
test-admin-lists.domain.net:   \
 |/home/mailman/lists.domain.net/mail/wrapper mailowner test
test-request-lists.domain.net: \
 |/home/mailman/lists.domain.net/mail/wrapper mailcmd test


 This allows me to have multiple 'test' lists across multiple domains, on the
same machine, all behaving as separate lists.  (This also means I have multiple
MM installations.)

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[Mailman-Users] Re: virtual hosting / list name

2002-03-28 Thread Will Yardley

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
 Will Yardley wrote:
 
  we use a virtual hosting setup, so we actually make the list-name:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  even though aliases point:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the actual list post.

  I take a different approach:
 
  - I create list just the way I want it named  (for example: test)
 
  - Sendmail's virtusertable does the following translation:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] test-lists.domain.net
[...] 
  - The Alias file takes care of the rest (lines wrapped):
 ## [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
 ## created: 13-Dec-2000 root
 test-lists.domain.net: \
  |/home/mailman/lists.domain.net/mail/wrapper post test
 
 This allows me to have multiple 'test' lists across multiple domains,
 on the same machine, all behaving as separate lists.  (This also means
 I have multiple MM installations.)

hrmm that seems like an interesting way to do things.  do you use an
automated system to create each one?  i think a variation on this might
fit our needs pretty well (although a way to simply change the email
address sent by mailman would, of course, be nicer :)

do you use symbolic links for commands and just create a new directory
structure for the data directories and stuff?  seems like having lots of
full mailman installations might be a major headache when it comes time
to upgrade (keep in mind that we have about 10-12k customers and are now
starting to allow unlimited discussion lists on all plans)...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: virtual hosting / list name

2002-03-28 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner

Will Yardley wrote:

 hrmm that seems like an interesting way to do things.  do you use an
 automated system to create each one?

Yeah, it's called 'My Ten Fingers'...  :)


 do you use symbolic links for commands and just create a new directory
 structure for the data directories and stuff?

No, although I have thought about that.  Not sure if it will work or not -
never tried it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through, but w/ no error message

2002-03-28 Thread Jon Carnes

You may have a rights issue. 
  su - mailman
  bin/check_perms

if that comes up clean, try editing /etc/mail/access and adding the ip 
address of your server followed by the keword RELAY

That should brute force Sendmail to allow any mail from this machine to be 
sent.

 --- Original Message: Thursday 28 March 2002 10:50 am ---
 Ok, so after some help from a few very awesome folks... I reconfigured
 mailman using the --with-mail-gid=1

 the email i was receiving back said that it was looking for gid 6 but was
 getting gid 1, so I recompiled with that gid. I looked through etc/passwd
 and the daemon is set as gid 1. I dont know what that means, but I went
 with it anyway...

 well, now when I send a message to a listserv,  I do not receive an email
 telling me that the gid is wrong, but the email also does not get through
 to the members of the listserv. Its as if it just gets stuck somewhere...

 Any ideas? Any log files I could look at for clues?

 Everything else is still working great, web stuff still works, it still
 sends out welcome messages when you add people to groups, etc...

 If its any help, the mail server is linux based. I am actually operating
 a web server from a win2k box and the mail server from a separate unix
 box, the web stuff is administered from the ip of the mailserver.
 (66.111.67.23/mailman/admin/)

 With that being said, should i just put myself out of my misery, or are
 there any ideas?

 thanks

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[Mailman-Users] ? How to change the Object of the Welcome message ?

2002-03-28 Thread Herve Cassagne

Hi folks,


I want to change the object of the welcome message
(oh, not much, the idea is simply to put it in french
since the mail will be sent to French people - who usually
do not really like the english language as I do).

Has anybody done it before ? Any clue ?
Of course I'd like to change te Goodbye message too,
but I guess it's pretty much the same.

Have a nice week-end
(Wonderful spring weather here in Paris :-))


Herve' Cassagne 

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