Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
You probably updated either the version of python or the version of mailman, right? There was a change made to the encrpytion to close a security hole. Side effect is the old encrypted passwords no longer work. So you need to reset the passwords for the lists. On 4/26/02 3:46 PM, "Dave Weiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > appear to be functional, users can log in to modify their settings, and > I can log in using the site password that I set after moving the lists. > However, in tests, the list owner is unable to log in using the admin > password. I know I can easily reset it, but I'm curious as to the -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.chuqui.com/ The Cliff's Notes Cliff's Notes on Hamlet: And they all died happily ever after -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:31:57 -0700 J C Lawrence wrote: > Note: I run several multi-thousand subscriber lists and I have no lock > contention. Minor stats: On a not very chunky system (PII-333) running a fairly untuned postfix can reliably sustain 1400 remote deliveries per minute (its actually a pretty stock Debian/testing install). The same system, which has a reasonable but not great IO chain (F/W SCSI III, single partition for /var which also holds /var/logs), can reliably spool (for remote delivery) in excess of 8,000 messages per minute (ie discrete SMTP transactions, not just RCPT TO's). I don't know if it can do more or what the actual top value is as I've not tried to find it and I've not had enough traffic to sustain loads at that level long enough. Note: Qrunner in 2.0 won't sustain that rate of spool entries as it is single threaded. I've created and sustained that level in previous tests running local custom qrunner variants against a hashed/split qfiles directory and thus plexing Postfix that way. You've talked previously of lists with low double digit numbers of subscribers, and of having what you insist are qrunner performance problems at that level. Again, qrunner is not your problem. An i486-33 with a bad IDE IO chain can easily, trivially, reliably sustain 20+ SMTP transactions (spool or remote delivery) per minute (I've done this). -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:37:58 +0200 Danny Terweij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are reffering to : >/usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ > -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 ? That's one possible address, tho not one I'm fond of. > And i use : > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' # SMTP host and port, when > DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect' SMTPHOST = '127.0.0.1' SMTPPORT = 25 > 127.0.0.1 is sendmail. This is doing the DNS lookups? Note that NNN above is not 25. In the case that you are running against a reasonably default Sendmail setup, yes, sendmail will be calling gethostbyname() and other sillinesses during the SMTP transaction. Do an strace to see. > Can i just do SMTPHOST = '192.168.0.1' witch is another SMTP server at > my LAN (windows 2000 server with Mailtraq )? Is it then not using > sendmail and DNS troubles at all? 1) Yes. 2) No, it won't use your local MTA at all. 3) That depends on the configuration of your other MTA (I don't know or use Microsoft tools and so can't answer there). > What are the actions to prevent it? So this file must be in normal > operation empty? Get your mail system fast enough that deliveries are able to happen before new instances of qrunner are spawned. Note: I run several multi-thousand subscriber lists and I have no lock contention. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
- Original Message - From: "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Then i maybe got the working of qrunner. Now i do not see any clue why > > MTA/DNS is related to picking up a message from the qfiles dir. > Sure -- again, read the FAQ, and read the archives of this list. > The basic story is that sendmail (which I recommend you move away from) > is not accepting each address handed to it on a RCPT TO until it has > done a DNS verify against the domain. This is slow. It is especially > slow if you don't have a local cacheing name server. Even if you do it > is slow. If name resolution is broken or poorly set up on your machine > it can take up to 2 minutes per address just to attempt the name > resolution. > > Summary: Install a cacheing name server and configure your MTA to not do > DNS verifies on RCPT TOs. This is covered clearly and in great detail > in the FAQ. You are reffering to : /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 ? And i use : DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' # SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect' SMTPHOST = '127.0.0.1' SMTPPORT = 25 127.0.0.1 is sendmail. This is doing the DNS lookups? Can i just do SMTPHOST = '192.168.0.1' witch is another SMTP server at my LAN (windows 2000 server with Mailtraq )? Is it then not using sendmail and DNS troubles at all? > > My vision on qrunner : Heyyy i have got a new file in the qfile [cut] > Right. Thank you. > > This costs me lots of hard drive space for useless information. Is it > > a faillure? > No, a warning. What are the actions to prevent it? So this file must be in normal operation empty? Danny. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:07:42 +0200 Danny Terweij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> You're not having a qrunner problem, but an MTA and DNS lookup >> problem. > My question is, what are the technical details of qrunner? Not much really, for the bit you're interested in it iterates across the qfiles directory taking each message in turn and processing/delivering it appropriately. There's little magic or mystery there -- look at the source -- its quite trivial. > Then i maybe got the working of qrunner. Now i do not see any clue why > MTA/DNS is related to picking up a message from the qfiles dir. Sure -- again, read the FAQ, and read the archives of this list. The basic story is that sendmail (which I recommend you move away from) is not accepting each address handed to it on a RCPT TO until it has done a DNS verify against the domain. This is slow. It is especially slow if you don't have a local cacheing name server. Even if you do it is slow. If name resolution is broken or poorly set up on your machine it can take up to 2 minutes per address just to attempt the name resolution. Summary: Install a cacheing name server and configure your MTA to not do DNS verifies on RCPT TOs. This is covered clearly and in great detail in the FAQ. > My vision on qrunner : Heyyy i have got a new file in the qfile > dir. lets doing something with it. When finished that mail.. lets > check if there is another.. yeah i found another one.. lets do > something with it... lets see. hmmzz. nothing left..EXIT. In meanwhile > when nothing is there and qrunner did exit its proc, crontab starts > every minute qrunner. When nothing found.. exit. When found > files.. start the whole process again. (So i see it) Right. > For now i do not think it is an MTA/DNS problem, but qrunner is the > problem. It sits there in memory and is doing nothing at > all. (besides checking between 4 and 10 minutes the qfiles dir). > This costs me lots of hard drive space for useless information. Is it > a faillure? No, a warning. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
From: "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Please explain where to look? (section, paragraph and so on..) > The FAQ is not that long... Nope, just read almost all but no answers :-( > > Every one can say "see/read the FAQ". But i did not see any > > relevanting on my questions in the FAQ. > You're not having a qrunner problem, but an MTA and DNS lookup problem. My question is , what are the technical details of qrunner? >From starting qrunner till sending out the message. Then i maybe got the working of qrunner. Now i do not see any clue why MTA/DNS is related to picking up a message from the qfiles dir. My vision on qrunner : Heyyy i have got a new file in the qfile dir. lets doing something with it. When finished that mail.. lets check if there is another.. yeah i found another one.. lets do something with it... lets see. hmmzz. nothing left..EXIT. In meanwhile when nothing is there and qrunner did exit its proc, crontab starts every minute qrunner. When nothing found.. exit. When found files.. start the whole process again. (So i see it) So if anyone can me explain how it is working then i am happy. For now i do not think it is an MTA/DNS problem, but qrunner is the problem. It sits there in memory and is doing nothing at all. (besides checking between 4 and 10 minutes the qfiles dir). Why is every minute the qrunner logfile files with : Apr 25 02:00:15 2002 (10140) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:01:09 2002 (10203) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:02:11 2002 (10239) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:03:09 2002 (10251) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:04:09 2002 (10260) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:05:20 2002 (10270) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:06:09 2002 (10348) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:07:10 2002 (10384) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:08:09 2002 (10396) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:09:09 2002 (10404) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:10:23 2002 (10415) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:12:11 2002 (10520) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:13:09 2002 (10530) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:14:07 2002 (10534) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:15:17 2002 (10543) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:16:11 2002 (10605) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:17:09 2002 (10642) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:18:09 2002 (10646) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:19:08 2002 (10650) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:20:14 2002 (10664) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:21:10 2002 (10727) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:22:08 2002 (10770) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:23:08 2002 (10774) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 25 02:24:08 2002 (10778) Could not acquire qrunner lock This costs me lots of hard drive space for useless information. Is it a faillure? Danny. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
From: "Harold Paulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Danny, Hi Paul. > Here are some ways I have discovered of making Mailman really painfully slow: > > 1) Use Sendmail for your outgoing MTA and have it do DNS checks on > relayed mail. Pick an email address out on the net and test it from >your Mailman machine with something like 'mail -v >[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. By the way, turning off DNS checks in >sendmail usually makes it an open relay. Yeah! [root@lnx root]# mail -v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Test Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Connecting to xx.xx.xx. via relay... 220 xx.xx.xx Ready for action (Mailtraq 1.1.6.1177/SMTP) >>> EHLO lnx.xx.xx.xx 250 xx.xx.xx >>> MAIL From:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 250 receiving from [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 250 will send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> DATA 354 send the message, terminate with "." >>> . 250 received the message, thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent (received the message, thanks) Closing connection to xx.xx.xx. >>> QUIT 221 have a nice day (SMTP Closing) [root@lnx root]# Very fast. No problem here. > 2) Have slow or broken DNS. What happens when you do something like, >'nslookup hotmail.com' from your Mailman server? [root@lnx root]# nslookup hotmail.com Note: nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases. Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead. Run nslookup with the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing. Server: 192.168.0.1 Address:192.168.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: hotmail.com Address: 64.4.54.7 Name: hotmail.com Address: 64.4.43.7 Name: hotmail.com Address: 64.4.44.7 Name: hotmail.com Address: 64.4.45.7 Name: hotmail.com Address: 64.4.52.7 Name: hotmail.com Address: 64.4.53.7 [root@lnx root]# And with dig : [root@lnx root]# dig hotmail.com ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> hotmail.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 24642 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 6, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 4 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;hotmail.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: hotmail.com.3600IN A 64.4.54.7 hotmail.com.3600IN A 64.4.43.7 hotmail.com.3600IN A 64.4.44.7 hotmail.com.3600IN A 64.4.45.7 hotmail.com.3600IN A 64.4.52.7 hotmail.com.3600IN A 64.4.53.7 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: hotmail.com.3600IN NS ns1.hotmail.com. hotmail.com.3600IN NS ns2.hotmail.com. hotmail.com.3600IN NS ns3.hotmail.com. hotmail.com.3600IN NS ns4.hotmail.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns1.hotmail.com.3600IN A 216.200.206.140 ns2.hotmail.com.3600IN A 216.200.206.139 ns3.hotmail.com.3600IN A 209.185.130.68 ns4.hotmail.com.3600IN A 64.4.29.24 ;; Query time: 189 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.0.1#53(192.168.0.1) ;; WHEN: Sat Apr 27 02:48:49 2002 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 261 [root@lnx root]# Is this good or bad? > 3) Leave old lock files lying around in ~mailman/locks/. This works >especially well on really old versions of mailman. No old lock files there. > 4) Populate your mailing lists with email addresses from the corners of >the earth with the worst connections and shakiest DNS. :-) I am in holland and only dutch and some belgium people subscribed. So no strange corners here also :-) > Good luck! > >I did change the default values to : > > > >SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 > >LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(5) > >LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT = seconds(10) > >QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(10) > >QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(5) > >QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 5 But are these fine or not? What are good value's? Danny. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] {SPAMFILTER} Unsubscribe problems
I seem to have a lot of people who have email programs that mailman doesn't like at least when it comes to unsubscribing--mine included! Many can subscribe via email without a problem but there doesn't seem to be an easy way to unsubscribe because the e-mail method always generates problems. I've been manually unsubscribing people but it is time-consuming and folks get irritated because mailman won't handle it. Is there some magic formula I'm missing? Currently using [EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe format. Thanks, Deanna ~~ Deanna Mascle ~~Author, Editor, Freelance Writerhttp://deannamascle.com ~~ ADVICE * TRIVIA * FUN * PEOPLE * STORIES * SMILES ~~Dawggone Communications has it all with four original ezines!http://dawggone.deannamascle.com/ezines1.html
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:55:08 +0200 Danny Terweij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please explain where to look? (section, paragraph and so on..) The FAQ is not that long... > Every one can say "see/read the FAQ". But i did not see any > relevanting on my questions in the FAQ. You're not having a qrunner problem, but an MTA and DNS lookup problem. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
Danny, Here are some ways I have discovered of making Mailman really painfully slow: 1) Use Sendmail for your outgoing MTA and have it do DNS checks on relayed mail. Pick an email address out on the net and test it from your Mailman machine with something like 'mail -v [EMAIL PROTECTED]'. By the way, turning off DNS checks in sendmail usually makes it an open relay. Yeah! 2) Have slow or broken DNS. What happens when you do something like, 'nslookup hotmail.com' from your Mailman server? 3) Leave old lock files lying around in ~mailman/locks/. This works especially well on really old versions of mailman. 4) Populate your mailing lists with email addresses from the corners of the earth with the worst connections and shakiest DNS. Good luck! - H >How is some processing working? > >Someone send a mail to the list. >Mailserver received it. >Wrapper handled it and put the message to the qfiles dir. >So far so good here... > >qrunner is running.. >What does this qrunner script exacly doing with the qfiles dir? >I need to understand some things. > >See my problem i described before on the list. It is now proccessing >qfiles files but it is not yet good and fast enough. > >I did change the default values to : > >SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 >LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(5) >LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT = seconds(10) >QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(10) >QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(5) >QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 5 > >With the default values from mailman it processes 1 message from the >qfiles dir between 20 and 45 minutes. >Now it is processing 1 message from the qfiles dir between 4 and 10 minutes. > >What i want is process all the files at the qfiles dir at once till >its empty. So lets say, 50 messages at the qfiles dir is processed >in a few minutes, and not 1 message in 10 minutes.. >There are more incomming messages then qrunner processing for out. >The qfiles dir is growing and growing and growing... > >I am not talking about sending messages though the MTA. It is just >qrunner that us doing nothing while there are so many *.msg/*.db >files are to be processed. > >I hope i am now clear enough :-) > > >btw, there are still al lot of *.msg/*.db files more than 4 ours >old.. when are these processed? > > > > > >Danny Terweij > > -- Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 775-201-4458 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
Please explain where to look? (section, paragraph and so on..) Every one can say "see/read the FAQ". But i did not see any relevanting on my questions in the FAQ. Searching on : qrunner is slow, technical details qrunner, qfiles And more search strings. I got returned: Mailman FAQ Search Results No hits. Danny. - Original Message - From: "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Danny Terweij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) > On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:17:42 +0200 > Danny Terweij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > qrunner is running.. What does this qrunner script exacly doing with > > the qfiles dir? I need to understand some things. > > > See my problem i described before on the list. It is now proccessing > > qfiles files but it is not yet good and fast enough. > > Please see the FAQ: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > -- > J C Lawrence > -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Greetings to the list! I'm having a strange problem. I'm in the process of moving some lists from a Sparc Solaris 8 host to a Red Hat Linux (Intel) host. The lists appear to be functional, users can log in to modify their settings, and I can log in using the site password that I set after moving the lists. However, in tests, the list owner is unable to log in using the admin password. I know I can easily reset it, but I'm curious as to the why's when I do bin/dump_db lists/listname/config.db on both machines, the encrypted owners password is identical. Is this just a weirdness? TIA, Dave -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:17:42 +0200 Danny Terweij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > qrunner is running.. What does this qrunner script exacly doing with > the qfiles dir? I need to understand some things. > See my problem i described before on the list. It is now proccessing > qfiles files but it is not yet good and fast enough. Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Title: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? I am using 2.0.10 Never tested 2.0.8 fully. Did setup and test the functionality in 2.0.8 and then 2.0.10 came out and upgraded it. Now i have about 6 lists. many people are subscribed (30-66) and posted kb is between 1k and 4mb . Mostly around 300kb. But it costs ages to empty the whole qfiles dir here... Danny. - Original Message - From: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS To: 'Danny Terweij' Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:11 AM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? What version of mm are you using? I'm using 2.0.9. Seems like I've heard a lot of people complain about qrunner running slow. Is it a problem in 2.0.10? Eric -Original Message-From: Danny Terweij [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:36 PMTo: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? Hmm I wonder some thing... My mailman linux server is behind a firewall. [internet] \/ router \/ MAIN-SERVER (xxx.yyy.com) (A) \/ MAILMAN SERVER (lnx.xxx.yyy.com) (B) When some person sends an mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , the server (A) sends it to (B). Webpages are get by http://lnx.xxx.yyy.com/ and Apache redirects it on (A) to http://xxx.yyy.com:81/. This last url is port forwarded from the router to http://internal-ip-server(B):80/ Outgoing mail from mailman : SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (sendmail) Sendmail is configured to not deliver directly but send all mail to server (A). DNS master is (A) (outside requests and backup for internal LAN) DNS slave is (B) (For internal LAN requests) So i do not think it is an MTA DNS resolving stuff. Maybe i am wrong but all the DNS resolvings at above situation are on Server (A). Because there are the outgoing messages real processed for the internet. I see there the mx lookups and not on server (B). Danny. - Original Message - From: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:05 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? Ok, I am also seeing that problem, below is an excerpt from the faq. I am using sendmail for my MTA, how would I turn this off on my box? I looked in README.SENDMAIL and it didn't address it. Eric Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing messages. It seems that if the MTA has trouble resolving DNS for any recipients, qrunner just gets really slow clearing the queue. Any ideas? A. What's likely happening is that your MTA is doing DNS resolution on recipients for messages delivered locally (i.e. from Mailman to your MTA via SMTPDirect.py). This is a Bad Thing. You need to turn off synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host. In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM for details. Other MTAs have (of course) different parameters and defaults that control this. First check the README file for your MTA and then consult your MTA's own documentation. > -Original Message- > From: Danny Terweij [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:49 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? > > > From: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Are messages going out from Mailman? In otherwords, is > qrunner stuck on > one > > or two messages? > > Every message is going out. But qrunner is very slow (or > something else). > > With ps ax i see : > > 4609 ? R 41:19 /usr/bin/python -S > /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Danny. > > > > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >
Re: [Mailman-Users] Another new user looking for help
Do you not see : # ./newlist Enter the name of the list: testlist Enter the email of the person running the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Initial testlist password: Entry for aliases file: ## testlist mailing list ## created: 26-Apr-2002 root testlist:"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist" testlist-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist" testlist-request:"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist" testlist-owner: testlist-admin Hit enter to continue with testlist owner notification... Then copy and paste the list stuff to the etc/aliases , save it and run newaliases Then the list is working. Danny. - Original Message - From: "Tonie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:50 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another new user looking for help > I've managed to get Mailman 2.0.10 installed, and it looks like everything's okay except for one problem - which cgi handles the creation of new lists, and where does it show what aliases should be put into the /etc/aliases file? I looked for a cgi called "create", but it is missing. The list admin cgi's seem to be working fine. When I used newlist to create a list, the aliases weren't given. > > What's wrong here? > > Thanks! > > Tonie > > > ___ > > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Another new user looking for help
I've managed to get Mailman 2.0.10 installed, and it looks like everything's okay except for one problem - which cgi handles the creation of new lists, and where does it show what aliases should be put into the /etc/aliases file? I looked for a cgi called "create", but it is missing. The list admin cgi's seem to be working fine. When I used newlist to create a list, the aliases weren't given. What's wrong here? Thanks! Tonie ___ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Fw: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Title: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? Hmm I wonder some thing... My mailman linux server is behind a firewall. [internet] \/ router \/ MAIN-SERVER (xxx.yyy.com) (A) \/ MAILMAN SERVER (lnx.xxx.yyy.com) (B) When some person sends an mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , the server (A) sends it to (B). Webpages are get by http://lnx.xxx.yyy.com/ and Apache redirects it on (A) to http://xxx.yyy.com:81/. This last url is port forwarded from the router to http://internal-ip-server(B):80/ Outgoing mail from mailman : SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (sendmail) Sendmail is configured to not deliver directly but send all mail to server (A). DNS master is (A) (outside requests and backup for internal LAN) DNS slave is (B) (For internal LAN requests) So i do not think it is an MTA DNS resolving stuff. Maybe i am wrong but all the DNS resolvings at above situation are on Server (A). Because there are the outgoing messages real processed for the internet. I see there the mx lookups and not on server (B). Danny. - Original Message - From: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:05 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? Ok, I am also seeing that problem, below is an excerpt from the faq. I am using sendmail for my MTA, how would I turn this off on my box? I looked in README.SENDMAIL and it didn't address it. Eric Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing messages. It seems that if the MTA has trouble resolving DNS for any recipients, qrunner just gets really slow clearing the queue. Any ideas? A. What's likely happening is that your MTA is doing DNS resolution on recipients for messages delivered locally (i.e. from Mailman to your MTA via SMTPDirect.py). This is a Bad Thing. You need to turn off synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host. In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM for details. Other MTAs have (of course) different parameters and defaults that control this. First check the README file for your MTA and then consult your MTA's own documentation. > -Original Message- > From: Danny Terweij [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:49 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? > > > From: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Are messages going out from Mailman? In otherwords, is > qrunner stuck on > one > > or two messages? > > Every message is going out. But qrunner is very slow (or > something else). > > With ps ax i see : > > 4609 ? R 41:19 /usr/bin/python -S > /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Danny. > > > > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >
[Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
How is some processing working? Someone send a mail to the list. Mailserver received it. Wrapper handled it and put the message to the qfiles dir. So far so good here... qrunner is running.. What does this qrunner script exacly doing with the qfiles dir? I need to understand some things. See my problem i described before on the list. It is now proccessing qfiles files but it is not yet good and fast enough. I did change the default values to : SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(5) LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT = seconds(10) QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(10) QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(5)QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 5 With the default values from mailman it processes 1 message from the qfiles dir between 20 and 45 minutes. Now it is processing 1 message from the qfiles dir between 4 and 10 minutes. What i want is process all the files at the qfiles dir at once till its empty. So lets say, 50 messages at the qfiles dir is processed in a few minutes, and not 1 message in 10 minutes.. There are more incomming messages then qrunner processing for out. The qfiles dir is growing and growing and growing... I am not talking about sending messages though the MTA. It is just qrunner that us doing nothing while there are so many *.msg/*.db files are to be processed. I hope i am now clear enough :-) btw, there are still al lot of *.msg/*.db files more than 4 ours old.. when are these processed? Danny Terweij
RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Title: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? Ok, I am also seeing that problem, below is an excerpt from the faq. I am using sendmail for my MTA, how would I turn this off on my box? I looked in README.SENDMAIL and it didn't address it. Eric Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing messages. It seems that if the MTA has trouble resolving DNS for any recipients, qrunner just gets really slow clearing the queue. Any ideas? A. What's likely happening is that your MTA is doing DNS resolution on recipients for messages delivered locally (i.e. from Mailman to your MTA via SMTPDirect.py). This is a Bad Thing. You need to turn off synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host. In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM for details. Other MTAs have (of course) different parameters and defaults that control this. First check the README file for your MTA and then consult your MTA's own documentation. > -Original Message- > From: Danny Terweij [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:49 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? > > > From: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Are messages going out from Mailman? In otherwords, is > qrunner stuck on > one > > or two messages? > > Every message is going out. But qrunner is very slow (or > something else). > > With ps ax i see : > > 4609 ? R 41:19 /usr/bin/python -S > /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Danny. > > > > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
Hello Brian, Friday, April 26, 2002, 1:10:13 PM, Brian Teal wrote: > Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): IOError : [Errno 28] No space left on > device Bingo...your out of space on the partition that Mailman is using. Make some room and the errors go away... -- Regards, Mattmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
They keep appearing. I deleted about 30 of them, but left the listname.lock file, didn't know if it was OK to delete or not. But they are building again. Here's what I've done so far. Ran check_perms, check_db, both OK. Uh oh! Here it is in the error file, now what??? Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): Traceback (innermost last): Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ? Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): self.__write() Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 352, in __write Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): fp.close() Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): IOError : [Errno 28] No space left on device Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): Traceback (innermost last): Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ? Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): self.__write() Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 352, in __write Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): fp.close() Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): IOError : [Errno 28] No spaApr 26 08:32:08 2002 (25760) Delivery exception: [Errno $ Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 (25760) Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process mlist.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock self.__write() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 352, in __write fp.close() IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): Traceback (innermost last): Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): kids = main(lock) Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 263, in main Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): mlist.Save() Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 842, in Save Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): self.__lock.refresh() Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 842, in Save Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): self.__lock.refresh() Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): raise NotLockedError Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): Traceback (innermost last): Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): kids = main(lock) Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 247, in main Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT) Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): self.__lock.lock(timeout) Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): self.__write() Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 352, in __write Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): fp.close() Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): IOError : [Errno 28] No space left on device Apr 26 08:37:05 2002 post(27189): Traceback (innermost last): post(27189): File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 79, in ? post(27189): main() post(27189): File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 74, in main post(27189): msg.Enqueue(mlist, toadmin=1) post(27189): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 178, in Enqueue post(27189): dbfp.close() post(27189): IOError : [Errno 28] No space left on device Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922): Traceback (innermost last): Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922): kids = main(lock) Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 247, in main Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922): mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT) Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922): self.__lock.lock(timeout) Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(269
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
Brian Teal wrote: > > I need to get into the mailman program to get rid of some of the archives, > they are pushing the limit of space on my server. However, when I call up > the login page and fill in my password (which is the correct one) it never > goes anywhere, it just cyles. Any ideas?? care to elaborate what "just cycles" means ? if your disks are full, you might need to clean up as root before you can do anything as a normal user. -- Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat the yellow snow ! - Frank Zappa -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
Hello Brian, Friday, April 26, 2002, 11:19:18 AM, Brian Teal wrote: > I need to get into the mailman program to get rid of some of the archives, > they are pushing the limit of space on my server. However, when I call up > the login page and fill in my password (which is the correct one) it never > goes anywhere, it just cyles. Any ideas?? > ASAP!?! > THANKS! I've had this problem, and a clearing of the lock files usually does the trick. /path/to/mailman/locks -- Regards, Mattmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Another list for list-admins?
This list seems to be more of a technical list for people setting-up and maintaining Mailman. Is there some list where non-tech people like me could share simple ideas on how to get the most of Mailman's features? For some of my work, please visit http://www.indialists.org A number of our lists run on Mailman, a fantastic MLM software. FN -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * SMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference If you're writing a personal e-mail to me, kindly mark it so prominently -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
I need to get into the mailman program to get rid of some of the archives, they are pushing the limit of space on my server. However, when I call up the login page and fill in my password (which is the correct one) it never goes anywhere, it just cyles. Any ideas?? ASAP!?! THANKS! Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Update list...
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, [iso-8859-1] Alex Sammons wrote: > Hi there!!! > >How can i update a list in command line, i mean by > crontab, etc... Use the command-line utilities (site administrator access required): http://www.list.org/admins.html -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org == -+ Everything in moderation -- including moderation +- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] change multiple
On 26 Apr 2002, Detlef Neubauer wrote: > Sandro Pons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > is it possible to change the e-mail address > > to a new one without unsubscribe and rejoin all the > > lists? > > No. > > > is it possible for the mailman admin to change it? > > No. He must also unsubscribe your old address and subscribe your new > address. Can't the site administrator can change it with "clone_member -r"? -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org == -+ Everything in moderation -- including moderation +- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Update list...
Hi there!!! How can i update a list in command line, i mean by crontab, etc... _ Do You Yahoo!? La emoción e intensidad del deporte en Yahoo! Deportes. http://deportes.yahoo.com.mx -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing
How do I unsubscribe from your site? Thanks
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and large lists
> Just to warn you when importing e-mail addresses: there is a bug which > causes Mailman to loop if an imported address contains a & (we had this > problem when changing from majordomo to mailman lists and no solution has > been provided as yet) As the problem seems to have come from the '&' being interpreted as a shell metacharacter, I suspect that this problem can happen only if one uses Sendmail.py instead of SMTPDirect.py ... (Is this correct?) Greetings, Norbert. -- A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://thinkcoach.com List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name http://cisto.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman loops because of & in an address
> "AS" == Antenna Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: AS> We just experienced a loop: a message was sent many times AS> because it wasn't deleted in the /home/mailman/qfiles AS> directory The error mailed was: AS> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner | sh: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: command not found | c... User unknown | It appeared that there was an address added to the list: | m&[EMAIL PROTECTED] AS> The loop could only be stopped by removing the .msg and .db AS> file in the qfiles directory. I also removed this address from AS> the subscribers. AS> Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening AS> again? Don't use the Sendmail.py DELIVERY_MODULE. It goes through the shell, and its input is not properly escaped. For the same reason, Sendmail.py is a security problem. Mailman itself can handle addresses with &'s in them just fine (and I believe they're legal as per RFC 2822). Use the SMTPDirect.py delivery module and you should be fine. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: looping mails
> "LG" == Larry Gadallah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: LG> FWIW - I just experienced the same symptoms running LG> 2.1b1. _VERY_ embarassing, especially after telling everyone LG> how Mailman would be so much more fun than Majordomo. Of course 2.1b1 is still beta software. When using 2.0.x or 2.1 you should definitely not use the Sendmail.py delivery module, even if you're using the sendmail MTA. By using SMTPDirect.py with an RFC-compliant MTA you should not get duplicates, although there is a known bug in 2.1b1 that can cause dupes in certain situations. This is fixed in cvs and will be part of 2.1b2. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] change multiple
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:23:41 +0200 (CEST) pons18 wrote: > is it possible to change the e-mail address to a new one without > unsubscribe and rejoin all the lists? Currently, no. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] newuser needs help
Jim Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I found a line with > Options FollowSymlinks > and changed it to > Options +followSymlinks ^ Is this typo only here or in httpd.conf also? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] newuser needs help
Hi, I am attempting to run mailman a RH 7.2 box with apache and sendmail. The install went fine. The problem I have is the apache config portion of the instructions. Note that I had to install apache to install mailman. I haven't used apache up to this point. The install is from i386 rpm downloaded from the Red Hat site. The instructions from that install say: When the mailman package has finished installing, you will need to: * run /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass to create the mailman administrator password * edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to customize mailman's configuration for your site * add these lines: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf to configure your web server. At this point, apache will come up. With the basic intall default. The mailman interface on the http server does not. I believe that I've done the httpd.conf changes incorrectly. I found the Alias area in the above file. I added the Alias line there. I found ScriptAlias area also and added the above line there also. I found a line with Options FollowSymlinks and changed it to Options +followSymlinks What am I doing wrong? Thanks, -- jrb "The only well-adjusted people in this world...are dead." -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
From: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Are messages going out from Mailman? In otherwords, is qrunner stuck on one > or two messages? Every message is going out. But qrunner is very slow (or something else). With ps ax i see : 4609 ?R 41:19 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner Danny. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
From: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > How big are the messages in the queues? -rw-rw-r--1 mail mailman 125 Apr 26 13:49 00a08f4b7f3eda93337dd0eaed6c43db23eadc53.db -rw-rw-r--1 mail mailman 19786 Apr 26 13:49 00a08f4b7f3eda93337dd0eaed6c43db23eadc53.msg [cut] -rw-rw-r--1 mail mailman 126 Apr 26 15:17 332356b7c7b3a6fde975a8120825344d6e790e9e.db -rw-rw-r--1 mail mailman 5121 Apr 26 15:17 332356b7c7b3a6fde975a8120825344d6e790e9e.msg I see also : -rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman 184 Apr 26 13:48 08ab0d7e1c5c313381f0ed53abcdc5f462e9addd.db -rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman 1108955 Apr 26 13:48 08ab0d7e1c5c313381f0ed53abcdc5f462e9addd.msg Danny -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up? > no. Okay. > > I am running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers. > with such a tiny load, something is defintely wrong > which mailman version are you running ? 2.0.10, few weeks ago upgraded from 2.0.8 But 2.0.8 was running shortly.. just tested with a test-list. > anything in the other logs ? Wich logs do you want to see and how many lines? (did not logrotate, did just install and going to run tonight) Danny -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
- Original Message - From: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Are messages going out from Mailman? In otherwords, is qrunner stuck on one > or two messages? > How big are the messages in the queues? Between 1 and 300kb. Some times more. > Are you using SMTP direct (in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py)? I use the smtpdirect. > what are you using for your MTA (Sendmail is the default for RH 7.2)? smtp direct is going to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (sendmail) And sendmail is configured as proxy (relaying server) to my main smtp server (win32). So resolving is done at my win32 machine and is very fast. Danny. > --- Original Message: Friday 26 April 2002 07:12 am --- > > Could some one help? > > The qfiles dir is very big at the moment. qrunner proc is running now for > > 18 ours and still it is proccessing 1 message between 20-45 minutes. There > > comes more messages in then out.. > > > > Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up? > > > > I am running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers. > > > > > > Danny. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Danny Terweij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? > > > > > The qfiles dir is growing.. and there is processed only 1 file at the > > > > qfiles > > > > > dir between 20 and 45 minutes. > > > Why so slow? > > > I did : > > > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-May/011257.html > > > > > but no results yet. > > > Danny. > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Danny Terweij > > > Hi, > > > > > > When messages are arrived, it sits just there /var/mailman/qfiles between > > > > 1 > > > > > and 45 minutes. > > > qrunner is running every minute from the cron. Also when manualy start > > > the qrunner nothing happens. > > > > > > Mailman version 2.0.10 > > > OS: RH 7.2 > > > Base location /var/mailman > > > Just recently upgraded from 2.0.8 > > > > > > Here some logs : > > > > > > Error log: > > > > > > Apr 25 20:49:11 2002 admin(7975): > > > > > > admin(7975): [- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -] > > > admin(7975): [- Traceback --] > > > admin(7975): Traceback (innermost last): > > > admin(7975): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > > > admin(7975): main() > > > admin(7975): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 174, in > > > main > > > > > > And qrunner log : > > > > > > Apr 25 21:13:04 2002 (1360) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > Apr 25 21:14:06 2002 (1399) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > Apr 25 21:14:19 2002 (1405) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > Apr 25 21:15:10 2002 (1414) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > Apr 25 21:16:14 2002 (1528) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > Apr 25 21:17:06 2002 (1538) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > Apr 25 21:18:06 2002 (1542) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > Apr 25 21:22:06 2002 (1790) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > Apr 25 21:23:05 2002 (1795) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > > > > How to solve this? > > > > > > Thanx you. > > > > > > Groetjes Danny Terweij > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > > -- > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Danny Terweij wrote: > > Could some one help? > The qfiles dir is very big at the moment. qrunner proc is running now for 18 > ours and still it is proccessing 1 message between 20-45 minutes. There > comes more messages in then out.. > > Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up? no. > I am running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers. with such a tiny load, something is defintely wrong which mailman version are you running ? anything in the other logs ? -- Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat the yellow snow ! - Frank Zappa -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Are messages going out from Mailman? In otherwords, is qrunner stuck on one or two messages? How big are the messages in the queues? Are you using SMTP direct (in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py)? what are you using for your MTA (Sendmail is the default for RH 7.2)? --- Original Message: Friday 26 April 2002 07:12 am --- > Could some one help? > The qfiles dir is very big at the moment. qrunner proc is running now for > 18 ours and still it is proccessing 1 message between 20-45 minutes. There > comes more messages in then out.. > > Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up? > > I am running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers. > > > Danny. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Danny Terweij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? > > > The qfiles dir is growing.. and there is processed only 1 file at the > > qfiles > > > dir between 20 and 45 minutes. > > Why so slow? > > I did : > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-May/011257.html > > > but no results yet. > > Danny. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Danny Terweij > > Hi, > > > > When messages are arrived, it sits just there /var/mailman/qfiles between > > 1 > > > and 45 minutes. > > qrunner is running every minute from the cron. Also when manualy start > > the qrunner nothing happens. > > > > Mailman version 2.0.10 > > OS: RH 7.2 > > Base location /var/mailman > > Just recently upgraded from 2.0.8 > > > > Here some logs : > > > > Error log: > > > > Apr 25 20:49:11 2002 admin(7975): > > > > admin(7975): [- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -] > > admin(7975): [- Traceback --] > > admin(7975): Traceback (innermost last): > > admin(7975): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > > admin(7975): main() > > admin(7975): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 174, in > > main > > > > And qrunner log : > > > > Apr 25 21:13:04 2002 (1360) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Apr 25 21:14:06 2002 (1399) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Apr 25 21:14:19 2002 (1405) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Apr 25 21:15:10 2002 (1414) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Apr 25 21:16:14 2002 (1528) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Apr 25 21:17:06 2002 (1538) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Apr 25 21:18:06 2002 (1542) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Apr 25 21:22:06 2002 (1790) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Apr 25 21:23:05 2002 (1795) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > > > How to solve this? > > > > Thanx you. > > > > Groetjes Danny Terweij > > > > > > > > -- > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and large lists
Dear Matt, Just to warn you when importing e-mail addresses: there is a bug which causes Mailman to loop if an imported address contains a & (we had this problem when changing from majordomo to mailman lists and no solution has been provided as yet) Tsjebbe Antenna Foundation The Netherlands On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Matt Eckhaus wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone can give me information about how Mailman copes > with very large lists - over 100,000 subscribers. > > I'm considering using Mailman for our company newsletters, some of which > have over 100k subscribers. I haven't found any examples of Mailman > being used successfully in this kind of situation, so if you are doing > it please let me know. On the other hand, if you don't think that > mailman is suitable I'd love to hear about it too. > > Thanks, > Matt > > PS. In case anyone is worried - this isn't for spam :) > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Could some one help? The qfiles dir is very big at the moment. qrunner proc is running now for 18 ours and still it is proccessing 1 message between 20-45 minutes. There comes more messages in then out.. Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up? I am running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers. Danny. - Original Message - From: "Danny Terweij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? > The qfiles dir is growing.. and there is processed only 1 file at the qfiles > dir between 20 and 45 minutes. > Why so slow? > I did : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-May/011257.html > but no results yet. > Danny. > > > - Original Message - > From: Danny Terweij > Hi, > > When messages are arrived, it sits just there /var/mailman/qfiles between 1 > and 45 minutes. > qrunner is running every minute from the cron. Also when manualy start the > qrunner nothing happens. > > Mailman version 2.0.10 > OS: RH 7.2 > Base location /var/mailman > Just recently upgraded from 2.0.8 > > Here some logs : > > Error log: > > Apr 25 20:49:11 2002 admin(7975): > > admin(7975): [- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -] > admin(7975): [- Traceback --] > admin(7975): Traceback (innermost last): > admin(7975): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > admin(7975): main() > admin(7975): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 174, in main > > And qrunner log : > > Apr 25 21:13:04 2002 (1360) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Apr 25 21:14:06 2002 (1399) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Apr 25 21:14:19 2002 (1405) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Apr 25 21:15:10 2002 (1414) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Apr 25 21:16:14 2002 (1528) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Apr 25 21:17:06 2002 (1538) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Apr 25 21:18:06 2002 (1542) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Apr 25 21:22:06 2002 (1790) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Apr 25 21:23:05 2002 (1795) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > How to solve this? > > Thanx you. > > Groetjes Danny Terweij > > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] change multiple
Sandro Pons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > is it possible to change the e-mail address > to a new one without unsubscribe and rejoin all the > lists? No. > is it possible for the mailman admin to change it? No. He must also unsubscribe your old address and subscribe your new address. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] change multiple
hello ppl, im a member of some mailman lists, im registered using one e-mail address. is it possible to change the e-mail address to a new one without unsubscribe and rejoin all the lists? is it possible for the mailman admin to change it? if yes, how to? thanks & regards = -- Sandro Pons [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/pons18 __ Con Yahoo! vinci viaggi per i Mondiali FIFA 2002 http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://lasfida.yahoo.net/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] htdig Indexing Private Pages?
At 15:07 25/04/2002 -0400, Mike Lecza wrote: >Has anyone gotten htdig to index the Private Pages? When I run htdig it >just indexes the Authentication Page Is there a way to get htdig logged in >to index the rest? The mailman-htdig integration patches posted on sourceforge were specifically designed to deal with this issue automatically. Each list's TOC has a search form for the list and URLs returned by htsearch for private archives go via a mailman script which enforces the same authentication rules as the standard private archive access delivery script in $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py. More importantly, each list's archive is indexed independently so that htsearch will not return hits on material that cannot then be accessed by the user; the other problem with a common index including private archive material is that search results can reveal private material even if full access to the archive pages is subsequently denied. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
