Re: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface

2002-06-13 Thread Joern Nettingsmeier

An-Dee wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
  As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
  How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
  is not working.

this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there


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Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface

2002-06-13 Thread An-Dee

Hello Joern,

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 12:32:29 PM, you wrote:

JN An-Dee wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
  As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
  How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
  is not working.

JN this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
JN ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
JN exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
JN things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there

:)) unfortunately the root cannot fix it, that's why I tried to get
help here. Any admin who fixed it?
My friend (admin) tried to fix it, but the mailman puts back the wrong
setting into config.db.


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface

2002-06-13 Thread Rantanen, TC1


If you go into the mailman/Mailman dir there is a file Default.py, this is
where the syntax for defining stuff is.

This same line can be used in the mm_cfg.py file, it is here the user/SA can
make mods.

In mm_cfg.py file put.

DEFAULT_URL ='http://your url/something/'


 -Original Message-
 From: An-Dee [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:41 PM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
 
 Hello,
 
  As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
  How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
  is not working.
 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface

2002-06-13 Thread Rantanen, TC1

This is a good question, the configuration that I am running where I have
multiple instances of mailman running, there is a need for changeing the
Default url and the Private archive url. Having this done at ./configure
line helps alot, build a script to run the script, automation. 



 -Original Message-
 From: Joern Nettingsmeier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:32 AM
 To:   An-Dee
 Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
 
 An-Dee wrote:
  
  Hello,
  
   As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
   How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
   is not working.
 
 this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
 ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
 exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
 things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there
 
 
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[Mailman-Users] removing a list with spaces in it's name

2002-06-13 Thread Yannick Gingras


Hi, 
   I'm really pleased with mailman, this is helping me a lot to get my 
delelopers in touch.  

I just have a little problem here.  I accidentaly created a list with spaces 
in it's name and I can't remove it with the rmlist script.  I supose it is 
related to the spaces in it's name.  What should be the right procedure to 
remove the list by hand without breaking my mailman instalation ? 

Thanks again to all the mailman team, this is a great piece of code !

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface

2002-06-13 Thread Richard Barrett

At 12:32 13/06/2002 +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
An-Dee wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
   As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
   How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
   is not working.

this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there

Editing the web_page-url needs to be done carefully. Doing without the 
ability to edit it (like in MM 2.1); fine until you actually need to change 
it for a single list.

Anyway putting the following script in your $prefix/bin directory and using 
it per directions may help your problem:

start fix-url.py 
# Copyright (C) 2001 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

Reset a list's web_page_url attribute to the default setting.

This script is intended to be run as a bin/withlist script, i.e.

% bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mylist


from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman.i18n import _




def fix_url(mlist):
 mlist.web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL
 print _('Saving list')
 mlist.Save()
end fix-url.py 



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Re: [Mailman-Users] removing a list with spaces in it's name

2002-06-13 Thread Jon Carnes

 Have you tried enclosing the name in quotes?
 
 bin/rmlist list name
 
And try bin/rmlist list\ name



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[Mailman-Users] Addresses of members accepted for posting

2002-06-13 Thread Ivana Belgers

Hi,

I want to create a restricted mailinglist where only e-mail addresses
from a certain domain can post messages to the list. I found the Privacy
Option Addresses of members accepted for posting, but could not find
the correct syntax for using wildcards.

I am using Mailman version 2.0.11.

I tried *@domain.name, but that made the list become completely
moderated, even if postings were sent with e-mail addresses in the
domain.name domain they had to be approved.
The same with .*@domain.name.


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Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface

2002-06-13 Thread An-Dee

Hello Richard,

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 4:49:23 PM, you wrote:

RB At 12:32 13/06/2002 +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
An-Dee wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
   As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
   How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
   is not working.

this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there

RB Editing the web_page-url needs to be done carefully. Doing without the 
RB ability to edit it (like in MM 2.1); fine until you actually need to change 
RB it for a single list.

RB Anyway putting the following script in your $prefix/bin directory and using 
RB it per directions may help your problem:

RB start fix-url.py 
RB # Copyright (C) 2001 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
RB #
RB # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
RB # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
RB # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
RB # of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
RB #
RB # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
RB # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
RB # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
RB # GNU General Public License for more details.
RB #
RB # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
RB # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
RB # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

RB Reset a list's web_page_url attribute to the default setting.

RB This script is intended to be run as a bin/withlist script, i.e.

RB % bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mylist
RB 

RB from Mailman import mm_cfg
RB from Mailman.i18n import _




RB def fix_url(mlist):
RB  mlist.web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL
RB  print _('Saving list')
RB  mlist.Save()
RB end fix-url.py 



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Finally, I could solve the problem.
I got the general page of my list, save it as html, and edited the
action in the form with the right path.
Uploaded this file, and type it's url, it asked for auth. click back
and submit :)

(i hope it was clear)



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[Mailman-Users] Error installing mailman with exim from debs

2002-06-13 Thread Grégoire Cachet

hello

I try to configure mailman on my gateway for internet, using a mail
server which is exim

My system is debian woody

I installed exim, and just changed the configuration in order to relay
my own computer on the local network.

Then I installed mailman and create a new list typing :

# newlist test

It asked me to add some lines in the aliases file. I added in
/etc/aliases :

## test mailing list
## created: 12-Jun-2002 root
test:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test
test-admin:  |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test
test-request:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test
test-owner:  test-admin

I received a confirmation email for the new list test


However, if I try to subscribe sending a mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], it didn't work.

I can't send messages to test-admin, test, test-owner either.

there are errors in exim's logs :

2002-06-13 18:13:32 17IXE4-0001kY-00 Neither the system_aliases director
nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test


/var/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms returns no error

Besides, I receive error mails from cron every 15 minutes :

2002-06-12 09:53:03 17I2PM-0005sU-00 Neither the system_aliases director
nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test

Where does it not work ?

thanks in advance and sorry for my bad english

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Modifying Welcome Message

2002-06-13 Thread Benjamin Young



Hi Steven,

THANK YOU!! Your solution worked perfectly! I can't tell 
you how much I appreciate your help. Sorry for the delay in responding... my 
host implemented your solution but then had problems with the server and I could 
only test it until today.

Again, thanks for taking the time to help me 
out.
Benjamin

-Original Message-
Hi Benjamin,Rather than blank, leave this in 
subscribeack.txt:%(welcome)sthat's the element which pulls in 
the welcome text from the 
admininterface.~steven


[Mailman-Users] On Behalf Of feature

2002-06-13 Thread Chad Rebuck

When I see my posts to the list I often see On Behalf Of Chad Rebuck.  I 
am the admin for the list, but when I send an email to the list I don't 
want it to appear to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I want it 
to appear to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Am I overlooking an option 
in mailman?

example header:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Rebuck


Thanks.



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[Mailman-Users] missing archives, but full raw archive

2002-06-13 Thread Andrew Trieger

I have version 2.0.10 of mailman on intel linux mandrake 8.1 (kernel 2.4.8) and my 
mailserver, on
the same machine, is courier version 0.38.1.

I have a mailman list setup and its working fine, except the archives.  the archives 
are being
saved, and i can see the archive file in the filesystem as well as download it from 
the archives
section of the list, (i.e. download the full raw archive link works) but that same 
page, where
its supposed to show all the individual messages so you can click and read them is 
blank,  with the
message: Currently, there are no archives.

I know someone else (dave, coyote...) has had this similar problem and it was fixed in 
late may
(its in this mailing list) by deactivating some anti-spam software he had where the 
From: header
was being removed from messages before being dumped into the archive, which made the 
program arch
choke or something, but i have no such software and the messages appear to have all 
the required
headers.

Here is a sample of messages from the archive file, note that some of the message 
bodies are HTML,
i assume that is ok for mailman.



 Received: from ipsd.org (webmail.ipsd.org [:::216.125.163.151])
   by trieger.org with esmtp; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:57:32 -0500
 Received: from [216.125.163.216] (account [EMAIL PROTECTED])
   by ipsd.org (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.6b1)
   with HTTP id 4641129 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 15 May 2002 
11:56:56 -0500
 From: Mark Duker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Ranches] golf
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.6b1
 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:56:56 -0500
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mime-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to 7bit by courier 0.35
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10
 Precedence: bulk
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help
 List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 List-Subscribe: https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches,
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe
 List-Id: for Dudes,
 Dude Ranches and General Ranchers ranches.mail.otherguys.org
 List-Unsubscribe: https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches,
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe
 List-Archive: https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/private/ranches/

 I'm planning on Saturday AND Sunday mornings.

 MAD

 Received: from bhgl_5.brinkshofer.com (smtp.brinkshofer.com [:::216.4.30.16])
   by trieger.org with esmtp; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:02:55 -0500
 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3
 content-class: urn:content-classes:message
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset=us-ascii
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Subject: RE: [Ranches] golf
 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:01:57 -0500
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-MS-Has-Attach:
 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
 Thread-Topic: [Ranches] golf
 Thread-Index: AcH8MYyYHBPdY7jgTtqMIvVkRmCscgAAJ1Jw
 From: Chu, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10
 Precedence: bulk
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help
 List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 List-Subscribe: https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches,
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe
 List-Id: for Dudes,
 Dude Ranches and General Ranchers ranches.mail.otherguys.org
 List-Unsubscribe: https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches,
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe
 List-Archive: https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/private/ranches/

 I'm totally in on whatever day(s) is(are) decided, maens.

  -Original Message-
  From: Mark Duker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:57 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Ranches] golf
 =20
 =20
  I'm planning on Saturday AND Sunday mornings.
 =20
  MAD
  ___
  Ranches mailing list
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
  https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches
 =20




THanks for any help anybody can offer...

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[Mailman-Users] tremendous horror!

2002-06-13 Thread Adam Frank

I have been running a list for some time now, and recently seemingly
random subscription confirmations are being sent to people on the
list. Some people are reporting recieving over a dozen confirmations a
day (you know, the Confirm x)! Does anyone know what could be
causing this, because it is really annoying the heck out of the people on
my list!

Thanks!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] missing archives, but full raw archive

2002-06-13 Thread Scott Courtney

On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:39 pm, Andrew Trieger wrote:
 Here is a sample of messages from the archive file, note that some of the
 message bodies are HTML, i assume that is ok for mailman.



  Received: from ipsd.org (webmail.ipsd.org [:::216.125.163.151])
by trieger.org with esmtp; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:57:32 -0500
  Received: from [216.125.163.216] (account [EMAIL PROTECTED])
by ipsd.org (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.6b1)
with HTTP id 4641129 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 15 May
 2002 11:56:56 -0500 From: Mark Duker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Ranches] golf
[...]
  List-Id: for Dudes,
  Dude Ranches and General Ranchers ranches.mail.otherguys.org
  List-Unsubscribe:
 https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches,
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe
 List-Archive: https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/private/ranches/

  I'm planning on Saturday AND Sunday mornings.

  MAD

  Received: from bhgl_5.brinkshofer.com (smtp.brinkshofer.com
 [:::216.4.30.16]) by trieger.org with esmtp; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:02:55
 -0500
  X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3
  content-class: urn:content-classes:message
  MIME-Version: 1.0
  Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset=us-ascii

You appear to be missing the From abc@xyz hh:mm:ss line (this is not its
exact format, but it's similar) that marks the beginning of a new message in
mbox format.

The From:  header line doesn't actually delimit a message. There should be a
line that begins with From  (no colon) ahead of the Received:  headers in
each message.

I'd look for a problem with your mail delivery agent, which seems to be
stripping these off.

Scott

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[Mailman-Users] questions from a beginner

2002-06-13 Thread Yves Bajard

Dear colleagues:

I am beginning to use mailman as a vehicle to support several discussion 
groups on the space I buy from a commercial server in Ontario. I would like 
one of the lists to let all messages go through and be broadcast without 
having to be approved by the administrator, except those of administrative 
nature and incoming SPAM.

I would also like the archives to be public, and the list of subscribers to 
be restricted to members, without the constraint of forcing them to use a 
password.

I also would like to put all incoming messages of relevance to our theme on 
a newsgroup.

Now, I have gone to my administration site, and
(1) opened the general options page:
* no problem for the list name, address of administrators, general 
title and descriptive introduction, the prefix, the welcome message to 
newcomers and the regrets message to those who leave.
* I have  chosen to
* have the replies sent to this list,
* nothing in the explicit reply to;
* answered yes aboutCheck postings and intercept ones that 
seem to be administrative requests?;
* no to Send password reminders to, eg, -owner address instead 
of directly to user,
* no change to the suffix
*  Yes to the itemSend monthly password reminders or no?. I do 
not see what the sentence Overrides the previous option. means or implies..
* Yes to Send welcome message when people subscribe?
* No to Should administrator get immediate notice of new requests, 
as well as daily notices about collected ones?
* No to Should administrator get notices of subscribes/unsubscribes?
* No to Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?

(2) Then I went to the privacy page and did the following:
* asked for the list to be advertised
* limited the manoeuvre for subscription to confirm
* limited access to the list of subscirbers to the administrators
* answered not  to Show member addrs so they're not directly 
recognizable as email addrs?
* Answered no to Must posts be approved by an administrator?
* Answered no to  Restrict posting privilege to list members? 
(member_posting_only)
* Did not put any address in the box for  members accepted for posting 
to this list without implicit approval requirement. / while not fully 
understanding what the next sentence (See Restrict ... to list members 
for whether or not this is in addition to allowing posting by list members 
 meant.
* Answered yes to Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) 
field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?, and did 
not put any aliases in the next box
* and left the rest at default
3. For the archives, I did keep the default, i.e, messages to be archived, 
archives open to the public, set date of sending to refer to the message 
and kept a monthly organization.

4. I did not touch the other pages, although I would like to organize the 
list so that a newsgroup sic related and takes on the archives.

5. In spite of all that, the administrators still receive the messages sent 
to the list for approval.. Wher does th thing go wrong and what should we do?

Thanks in advance for any help and advice

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Re: [Mailman-Users] odd admindb crashes

2002-06-13 Thread Jeff Berliner

--On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 10:58 PM -0700 Dave Regan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature
 end  of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb


 You will want to look at your web server logs, in particular the
 error_log for the server or virtual server in question.  On some
 machines, this might be in /var/log/httpd, but it could well be
 different for you.

 This error message will be more interesting to diagnose your real
 problem.

The error I quoted above is the _only_ error message in the
webserver log.  There's noting else, like a python traceback or
whatever malformed header is being created :(  Just:

[Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature
end of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb

That's why I have no clues where to look.  Any way to get
debugging information from admindb?  How could I run it from the
command line (when I try now I get wrapper errors about the GID not
matching)?

- Jeff


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[Mailman-Users] from a beginner, again

2002-06-13 Thread Yves Bajard

Dear colleagues in mailman use:

My initial problem of reference to administrator for post approval in spite 
of our intent to let them all pass, except administrative and SPAM have 
apparently been resolved very rapidly, thanks to Bob Weissman.

The only remaining one is the setting up of a newsgroup or usegroup, to 
which all messages to the list would be posted automatically for public 
access. I have never done that and never touched a newsgroup.  gudiance and 
help would be welcome.

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] Re: On Behalf Of feature

2002-06-13 Thread Chad Rebuck

I think this is due to the way some email problems handle the From and the
sender field.  In one of my posts to the list the header has these values :

From: Chad Rebuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Some email programs reply to the From email address, while I believe others
use the Sender field.  If I could omit the Sender field or set it = to the
From field I think it will work as I would prefer.  Is there an easy way to
do this?

Chad

- Original Message -
From: Chad Rebuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:18 PM
Subject: On Behalf Of feature


 When I see my posts to the list I often see On Behalf Of Chad Rebuck.  I
 am the admin for the list, but when I send an email to the list I don't
 want it to appear to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I want it
 to appear to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Am I overlooking an option
 in mailman?

 example header:

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Rebuck


 Thanks.





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[Mailman-Users] dumb newbie questions

2002-06-13 Thread Steve Arnold

Howdy:

I'm a mailman newbie, and after reading the basic docs, readmes, and
FAQs, I still have some questions.  I'm running the 2.0.11 rpm on RedHat
7.1 with courier smtp, apache, and zope.  I guess the zope part is only
relevant because I had to modify the mod_rewrite rules for the mailman
cgis.  Anyway, I have it installed and running, at least partially. 
Here are my current issues:

1) It looks like the mailman cron jobs did not get installed by the rpm
(at least I don't see them in any of the Redhat cron directories).  I
tried running the crontab.in, but I can't seem to become the mailman
user, so nothing gets installed.  The mailman user and group were
created by the install, though.  What can I do?

2) The server apache and mailman run on is behind an ip-masq firewall,
with the public URL on port 8080 being forwarded in to port 80 on the
the machine running mailman.  I specified the URL as:

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME ='arnolds.dhs.org'
DEFAULT_URL   = 'http://%s:8080/mailman/' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

but the admin page shows only www.arnolds.bogus Mailing Lists in the
banner at the top of the page.  I run DNS for internal-only name
resolution, so I have my own bogus domain defined on my internal LAN. 
Is there a way around this?  I haven't yet tried to see the mailman
pages from the outside world, so maybe it's not a problem...

Is it hopeless for me to try to run it in this configuration?  I'd
appreciate any and all help and/or feedback.

Thanks in advance, Steve Arnold

http://arnolds.dhs.org:8080





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To option, Author Name and Archives

2002-06-13 Thread Marc MERLIN

On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 01:09:02AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
While there seems to be a bug, note that:

 Since this is a discussion list, it's useful to have the Reply-To: option 
 set up as This List.
 
Note that this is a common misconception.
It's all between the brain and the fingers...
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=6693group_id=1
 
Very few  of us  use the reply-to  munging misfeature, so  it's not  as well
tested.

Marc
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[Mailman-Users] Mail forwarding loops - discovered!

2002-06-13 Thread Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello all,

I have been recently seeing a bunch of Mail forwarding Loop messages in my Postfix 
mail log.  After pouring over this stuff for several hours, I think I found the
problem... Microsoft!

Seriously, here's the scoop: a user sends a message to the list, which gets properly 
distributed.  Sometime later (I've seen a few hours to a few days), the exact message
that went out of the list mysteriously comes back to the list, with the same FROM: 
(usually the list's admin address), and the same TO: address (the list posting 
address). 
Postfix catches the loop, as it sees it's Delivered-To line in there, and bounces 
the message back to the sender, which sometimes is the real sender, other times is the
list bounce address.

The sender gets the bounce, and thinks their message didn't go out, when it really did.

I've seen at least three different mail servers that have caused this: a roadrunner 
server, xt1.xtlab.com, and some other one in Australia.  The common thread is that they
are all running Microsoft mail server software.  One of the messages had a header line 
that indicated it came from some webmail server, so it's possible that the webmail
server software itself is somehow buggered up, and sends out these messages when the 
user does something.  If it is user interaction, that would explain the random delay I
saw (up to 2 days on one message).

Here's a sample header, with some comments:

From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thu Jun 13 22:09:44 2002
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]--- my separate test mailbox to collect this 
message
Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55])
by list.nlenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DA9128
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:09:44 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mail pickup service by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
 Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:58:19 -0400   --- HERE'S THE REMAILED MESSAGE GOING OUT!
Received: from ncmx01.mgw.rr.com ([24.93.67.251]) by mail8.nc.rr.com  with Microsoft  
SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); -- Here's where the original message got delivered
 Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:01:15 -0400--- NOTICE THE DATE CHANGE!
Received: from list.nlenet.net (list.nlenet.net [208.178.159.75])
by ncmx01.mgw.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CC1FbC010819;
Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:01:15 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from list.nlenet.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
by list.nlenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
id 0368EFE; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:01:11 -0400 (EDT)
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103])
  by list.nlenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E2EF8 for
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:00:56 -0400
  (EDT)
Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.)
  id 7.cb.2373 (657) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12
  Jun 2002 08:00:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CSC] surge protection
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My solution (for now) was to insert procmail into the picture, scan the message for 
the Delivered-To the list address header, and if present, dump the message to the
bit-bucket.  Otherwise, the message gets passed on to Mailman.  But the mail server 
software needs to be fixed!

I'm sure others out there are going to see this same thing happening.  I've seen it on 
a few different servers of my own, so I know it's not just one specific machine.

Bob


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[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mail forwarding loops - discovered!

2002-06-13 Thread Chuq Von Rospach

On 6/13/02 10:10 PM, Bob Puff@NLE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But the mail 
 server software needs to be fixed!

Thanks, Bob. I needed the laugh.

Yes, that server software is broken. When I run into them, I blackhole them
so they can't annoy my servers any more. Soemtimes it gets their attention.
Amazingly often, it doesn't seem to.




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