Re: [Mailman-Users] Separate Subscribe/Unsubscribe addresses

[Tom Whiting]

On Wednesday 21 August 2002 11:45 pm, Ed Greenberg wrote:
> Some other mailing list systems offer separate addresses for subscribe and
> unsubscribe functions, as well as a request address.  It's easier for the
> beginner to deal with such addresses, especially when the list is moving
> from such a system to a mailman hosted system.
>
> Has anybody implemented this in Mailman?
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman  mailman57 Aug 21 16:33 .qmail-mud2k-subscribe
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman  mailman59 Aug 21 16:33 .qmail-mud2k-unsubscribe
(mailman@mirage 01:50:15):
that's from the latest beta
I haven't tested these addresses out, but I'd bet there's nothing wrong with 'em

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe box

[Odhiambo Washington]

* Davin Dahlgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20020821 21:43]: wrote:
> When I go to the Member Management web page, there is a box at the
> bottom of the page for multiple subscribes. Is there an equivalent box
> for multiple unsubscribes? If not, how hard would it be to create
> something along these lines?

2.1b3 has that facility. Time has come for you to update??

Rgs

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Re: [Mailman-Users] turning off digests (2.1 b2)

[Odhiambo Washington]

* Christopher Kolar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20020822 00:57]: wrote:
> Hi everyone.  I am running 2.1 b2 and have a quick question about 
> digests.  I have a low-volume announcement list and some of the members are 
> tagged as digest subscribers.  If I turn off the digest option in the 
> digests options page will it convert them to individual email status, or 
> will it somehow hurt or otherwise disable their membership?
> 
> I know, I should have had it turned off to begin with.  Thanks much,
> 
> --chris


Why don't you put yourself into their shoes by creating a "test" user and play
with that?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Separate Subscribe/Unsubscribe addresses

[Odhiambo Washington]

* Ed Greenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20020822 07:45]: wrote:
> Mailman creates a -request address for each list, to which you send 
> subscribe and unsubscribe messages (and others).
> 
> Some other mailing list systems offer separate addresses for subscribe and 
> unsubscribe functions, as well as a request address.  It's easier for the 
> beginner to deal with such addresses, especially when the list is moving 
> from such a system to a mailman hosted system.
> 
> Has anybody implemented this in Mailman?


My understanding may not have been clear on this but I would try to alias
"such addresses" to the mailman aliases.

If I have mailman aliases like this:

geeks: "|/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanstripwrapper post geeks"
geeks-admin:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner geeks"
geeks-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd geeks"
geeks-owner:   geeks-admin


I'll try this:


old-system-subscribe:  geeks-request
old-system:geeks


NB: Just my opinion. I may not be necessarily correct.



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[Mailman-Users] Mailman not connecting to MTA?

[Greg Westin]

After upgrading to 2.1b3, it seems that there's some problem with the
communication between Mailman and Postfix.  If I try sending an e-mail to
an admin of one of the lists, and watch the Postfix log, it records the
fact that the e-mail has been received and sent to the mail/mailman
script, but the script never sends an e-mail.  I think I set everything up
according to README.Postfix.  Does anyone know what the problem might be?

I also noticed that for some strange reason the defaults for
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST were set to my last name, which is
also a username on my computer.  I don't know why this would be, but I
noticed it when the membership management page wouldn't work, because the
links all referenced http://westin/mailman/...

I hope I didn't mess up this installation.

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] Separate Subscribe/Unsubscribe addresses

[Ed Greenberg]

Mailman creates a -request address for each list, to which you send 
subscribe and unsubscribe messages (and others).

Some other mailing list systems offer separate addresses for subscribe and 
unsubscribe functions, as well as a request address.  It's easier for the 
beginner to deal with such addresses, especially when the list is moving 
from such a system to a mailman hosted system.

Has anybody implemented this in Mailman?


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[Mailman-Users] bug fixed

[Greg Westin]

The 'bug' was fixed by chmod'ing all my log files to 660.  Is this
appropriate, or does this mean I don't have mailman set up correctly?

Thanks,

Greg



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[Mailman-Users] bug bite, again

[Greg Westin]

I managed to get Mailman 2.1b3 installed, by removing everything except
for my lists and archives folders (and maybe one or two other things -
but I definitely had to remove Mailman), then installing the new
version.  However, I'm still getting the 'bug' problem.  I'm pasting the
new error page below.  I can't figure out how to send it as HTML, so I'll
just cut and paste the text.  I checked check_perms, and it says there're
no
problems.  What else could this be?

Thank you,

Greg Westin
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Bug in Mailman version 2.1b3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in
__init__
Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 41, in __init__
self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 56, in __get_f
f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'



Python information:

Variable Value
sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Jul 9 2002, 12:10:44) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix /usr/local
sys.path /usr/local
sys.platform darwin

Environment variables:

Variable Value
PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.26 (Darwin) PHP/4.2.2
SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
SERVER_ADMIN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo
SERVER_SIGNATURE
Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.gregwestin.com Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD GET
HTTP_HOST lists.gregwestin.com
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING
REQUEST_URI /mailman/listinfo
HTTP_ACCEPT
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.0)
Gecko/20020724
HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive
SERVER_NAME www.gregwestin.com
REMOTE_ADDR 140.247.133.60
REMOTE_PORT 49454
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us, en;q=0.50
__CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING 0x46:0:0
SERVER_PORT 80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Handling HTML format messages

[Tom Whiting]

> (as I like to say, "I prefer all my email in HTML format, 18 point
> type, the font colored red. Please make sure you don't forget that,
> okay? it's important to me").
I prefer red and 20 point font, so please keep that in mind when mailing the 
list.
**nod**
:P

Usually I send messages directly to the list (whatever list the discussion is 
on), but c'mon.. It's like someone telling me "Don't use PGP to sign your 
messages, because I prefer no attatchments". Ridiculous

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Handling HTML format messages

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 04:45  PM, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>
> Kind request: Sending e-mail to the list is more than enough.  No 
> need to
> copy it to other people's e-mail addresses.  That just creates 
> duplicate
> e-mails.

(here we go again...)

Some of us prefer getting those duplicates. I filter list mail out of 
the way until I have time to read it. So if I'm in a discussion with 
someone, I want both copies, so I can continue the discussion without 
delays.

Trying to tell everyone else to do things a certain way is the wrong 
way to do this. If you want things a certain way, teach your client to 
give it to you that way. Don't try to make everyone remember who's 
preferences are what. You're in control of your machine, not theirs. 
(as I like to say, "I prefer all my email in HTML format, 18 point 
type, the font colored red. Please make sure you don't forget that, 
okay? it's important to me").

you're telling them to not do something prevents them from doing what 
*I* want done. Who wins here?

answer: fix your system to throw out duplicates, and don't try to make 
other people comform to your idea of "right".

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Handling HTML format messages

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

Kind request: Sending e-mail to the list is more than enough.  No need to
copy it to other people's e-mail addresses.  That just creates duplicate
e-mails.


Raghuveer Polavarapu wrote:

> Currently when a message in
> html format is posted to the a list, and when I try to look at the archives
> and look at the message I see all the header information (MIME contents etc)
> and I do not want this to happen, I just want to install something to strip
> out this stuff  and just post the actual text of the message.

You're on your own with this.  Mailman will archive the full message, as
is.  If you need some message parsing capabilities, you'll need to use an
external archiving tool, combined with something like a MIME stripper or
something like that.

Also keep in mind that not all email clients posts both the text/plain as
well as the text/html part.  Some ONLY post the text/html part.  Then what?  If
you strip that out, you'll end up with a blank message.  You have to treat this
process carefully.

Good luck.

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[Mailman-Users] upgrading to 2.1b3

[Greg Westin]

While trying ot fix this problem of Mailman not working, I decided to
upgrade to 2.1b3.  I am, however, having some trouble.  I'm not sure why,
but I've had a number of different problems.  This is the most current.

I copied all my old files into the new home directory, chowned and chgrped
them all to mailman except the one file I saw that was different,
scripts/paths.pyc, and then configured the install.  That worked fine,
with the only message being that Chinese wasn't supported, or something
like that.  However, when I tried to make install, I got the following:

---
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
  from Mailman import Utils
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 46, in ?
  from Mailman import Site
ImportError: cannot import name Site
make: *** [update] Error 1
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Can anyone help me with this?  Someone suggested for my earlier question
that I should run check_perms... it didn't work.

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] turning off digests (2.1 b2)

[Christopher Kolar]

Hi everyone.  I am running 2.1 b2 and have a quick question about
digests.  I have a low-volume announcement list and some of the
members are tagged as digest subscribers.  If I turn off the digest
option in the digests options page will it convert them to individual
email status, or will it somehow hurt or otherwise disable their
membership?
I know, I should have had it turned off to begin with.  Thanks
much,
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue

[Dustin Reiner]

The problem was actually explained by looking in the qrunner log.  It had
error "Could not acquire qrunner lock".  I removed the stale locks in the
locks directory, and it started sending out the backlogged mail.

Thanks for the help.
Dustin

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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue


Dustin Reiner wrote:

> Since I searched the archives to no avail, I am sending my question to the
> list.  Earlier today, sendmail began refusing connections due to high
load.
> The load was caused by a mailman python process running and consuming a
lot
> of CPU and memory resources (By a lot I mean it fluctuated from 8-90% CPU,
> and 26% of memory).

Make sure Mailman is not running into an error with your lists and
locking
up.  Check your ~mailman/logs/error file for any signs of trouble.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue

[Scott Levine]

I've had problems with messages vanishing after reboots, too.  Mailman
puts lock files in "/mailman/locks/"  I erased those, since the
process that was creating the need for them was gone, and almost
immediately got a flood of my queued messages.

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Dustin Reiner wrote:
> 
> > Since I searched the archives to no avail, I am sending my question to the
> > list.  Earlier today, sendmail began refusing connections due to high load.
> > The load was caused by a mailman python process running and consuming a lot
> > of CPU and memory resources (By a lot I mean it fluctuated from 8-90% CPU,
> > and 26% of memory).
> 
> Make sure Mailman is not running into an error with your lists and locking
> up.  Check your ~mailman/logs/error file for any signs of trouble.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

Dustin Reiner wrote:

> Since I searched the archives to no avail, I am sending my question to the
> list.  Earlier today, sendmail began refusing connections due to high load.
> The load was caused by a mailman python process running and consuming a lot
> of CPU and memory resources (By a lot I mean it fluctuated from 8-90% CPU,
> and 26% of memory).

Make sure Mailman is not running into an error with your lists and locking
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[Mailman-Users] Mailing issue

[Dustin Reiner]

Since I searched the archives to no avail, I am sending my question to the
list.  Earlier today, sendmail began refusing connections due to high load.
The load was caused by a mailman python process running and consuming a lot
of CPU and memory resources (By a lot I mean it fluctuated from 8-90% CPU,
and 26% of memory).  I rebooted the server to reset the load average, and
everything worked fine once it came back up, except any email sent to
mailman lists.  I am using sendmail, and Mailman 2.0.12.  Emails sent to any
of the lists seem to *disappear*, i.e. no messages are returned to the user,
they are not queued for future delivery by sendmail, etc.  Any
help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


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[Mailman-Users] Is there a way to import the list-archive from a different format?

[Dmitri Gofmekler]

Hi,

A few years our small list was a simple email alias and list archives now 
stored in email client (Pegasus or Eudora).
Is there any possibility to import these archives into MailMan list archive?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems seeing recently added list in web interface

[Leah Cunningham]

Ashley M. Kirchner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020820 18:17]:
> Leah Cunningham wrote:
> 
> > I created a new list using the newlist command, added the aliases to
> > /etc/aliases, and ran newaliases.  The server sent me the message
> > saying the list had been created, etc; however, if you go to the web
> > server, it does not show the new admin/list pages at all for the list
> > I created.  I tried restarting sendmail, apache, etc...  Am I
> > forgetting some step?
> 
> Any chance your list might not be advertised?  (this is a configuration option 
>by the way)

Actually, I just figured the problem out.  It was a strange
permissions issue.

Thanks :)
Leah

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[Mailman-Users] List Admin Bouncing Loop

[G.H.J. Dorssers]

Hello all,

I recently got a loop in mailman and I was wondering if someone else has
had the same problem and knows how to fix it?

It might also be a bug in the software of course, but I only found a
bugreport and for an old version of mailman, so unfortunately I could
not use that patch.

The loop started when the account of one of the two list administrators
was filled. This account was also on the list itself.
So what happened was that a message got send to the list. The account
was full, so the message bounced to the admin address. The message got
send to the two list admins, however one account was full, causing the
initial bouncing, and bounced the message again to the list admin
addy... so the message got send to the two list admins again, but
well, this is were it is looping. Causing about three bounces per minute
to be received by the other admin whose account was still operational.

Right now the Mailman version is 2.0.10 with automatic bounce processing
turned off.




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[Mailman-Users] Error when running 'qrunner'

[Scott Daly]

These errors are written to the error log when 'qrunner' is run.

Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421): Traceback (innermost last):
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):   File "./qrunner", line 283, in ?
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):  kids = main(lock)
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):   File "./qrunner", line 253, in main
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):  keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):   File "./qrunner", line 157, in
dispose_message
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):  mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in ParseMailCommands
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):  precedence = msg.get('precedence',
'').lower()
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421): AttributeError :  'string' object has
no attribute 'lower'


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[Mailman-Users] Suddenly - a "bug"

[Greg Westin]

I just tried to add a new list, and when I went to the web interface, it
didn't work.  I can't figure out what has changed recently , except that I
repartitioned my hard drive, so I copied the info off and then replaced
it.

Can anyone suggest some things I can check?  I tried re-installing, which
didn't seem to work, though I could have done it wrong.

Nothing in my mailman log, but an entry in the apache error log shows that
it couldn't write to the mailman log for some reason.  It may not be a
good idea for me to publicly send out all the info from my server logs,
but ignorance is bliss.  The most recent entry from my apache error log is
below.  If you have any ideas for me, please help!

Greg Westin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



[- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -]
[- Traceback --]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 71, in run_main
immediate=1)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 49, in __init__
Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
self.__get_f()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/logs/error'
[- Python Information -]
sys.version= 2.2.1 (#1, Jul  9 2002, 12:10:44)
[GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix = /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
sys.path   = /usr/local
sys.platform   = darwin
[- Environment Variables -]
PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.26 (Darwin) PHP/4.2.2
SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
SERVER_ADMIN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
SERVER_SIGNATURE: Apache/1.3.26 Server at
www.gregwestin.com Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD: GET
HTTP_HOST: lists.gregwestin.com
SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING:
REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin
HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
SERVER_NAME: www.gregwestin.com
REMOTE_ADDR: 155.41.10.1
REMOTE_PORT: 36444
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us
__CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING: 0x46:0:0
SERVER_PORT: 80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
SERVER_ADDR: 140.247.133.60
DOCUMENT_ROOT: /Library/WebServer/Documents



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Re: [Mailman-Users] NAT translation problems?

[Kyle Rhorer]

On Thursday 22 August 2002 13:10, Drew Krause wrote:
> Hello, a few subscribers with city and county government email
> addresses are complaining that our list mail is not getting to them.
> A peek at our mail logs confirms this. One of their system
> administrators noted that their server makes use of 'NAT
> translation', a concept new to me.

NAT stands for Network Address Translation.  Therefore, "NAT 
translation" is a redundant and incorrect term.  That aside, it is a 
scheme whereby one set of IP addresses is dynamically translated 
(usually by a firewall or firewall-like device) to another address or 
set of addresses and back again.  

For example, say machine A has an IP address of 192.168.1.5, machine B's 
address is 192.168.1.6, and machine F is the firewall.  Let's also say 
that F is configured to translate between 192.168.1.0 and 192.168.50.0.  
If A tries to browse www.python.org, it has to go through F to get to 
the Internet.  F translates A's address to something in the 
192.168.50/24 address space, for the sake of simplicity let's say it's 
192.168.50.5.  F then sends the address-translated packet on to its 
destination (www.python.org).  The destination has no way of knowing 
that the packet came from any address other than 192.168.50.5.  It 
sends a reply back, which F translates back to A's address and A 
eventually receives it.

Similarly, B might also try to browse www.python.org, and F might 
translate B's address to 192.168.50.6.  Or, F could translate B's 
address to the same 192.168.50.5 address to which A's was translated, 
in which case F would have to keep state information in order for 
returning packets to make their way back to the proper destination (A 
or B).

What I've explained above is greatly simplified in the interest of 
space.  For a more in-depth explanation of NAT, go to 
http://www.itp-journals.com/Network_address_translation_NAT_page1.htm.

> Has anyone else had this problem? (Is it indeed a mailman issue?)

It is not a Mailman issue per sé.  Mailman only works in conjunction 
with an MTA (mail transport agent) and an HTTP server.  If NAT is 
properly configured so that SMTP and HTTP pass to the proper 
destinations, Mailman should work.  From what you described, it sounds 
like the problem is on the government agency's end.

Kyle

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe box

[Davin Dahlgren]

When I go to the Member Management web page, there is a box at the bottom
of the page for multiple subscribes. Is there an equivalent box for multiple unsubscribes?
If not, how hard would it be to create something along these lines?

 

Re: [Mailman-Users] NAT translation problems?

[irwin]

On Thursday 22 August 2002 11:10 am, Drew Krause wrote:
> Hello, a few subscribers with city and county government email addresses
> are complaining that our list mail is not getting to them. A peek at our
> mail logs confirms this. One of their system administrators noted that
> their server makes use of 'NAT translation', a concept new to me.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem? (Is it indeed a mailman issue?) Are
> there any settings or workarounds to solve this?
>
> Any help appreciated!

Don't flame me for this perhaps over simplification.  NAT, Network Address 
Translation, is a technique whereby a single IP is distributed for use of 
multiple nodes on a network.   Commonly used on networks for putting nodes 
behind a firewall (IP Masquerading).

I don't know why they should have problems receiving email, I use NAT 
and don't have any problems.   Perhaps their addresses need a node name as 
part of the address.  In other words,  "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".

Irwin

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RE: [Mailman-Users] A long URL - 2 lines - second line is notclickable.

[Wang, Mary Y]

Hi,
I want to thank everyone who replied my question.  I will have to tell my
users the problem is really from the mail client - Outlook 2000 not from
Mailman. 

Mary 
(562) 797-1545


-Original Message-
From: G. Armour Van Horn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 20 August, 2002 8:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] A long URL - 2 lines - second line is
notclickable.


Heaven knows I tried to make them break. My MUA in this case is Netscape
Messenger 4.78. At least it demonstrates that it
isn't Mailman messing them up! (Not to mention that Netscape is immune to
Klez.H.)

Van

Greg Westin wrote:

> All four of those links work, and none break into two lines.
>
> 
> > What happens when you send a really long link through the system? In
> > this case, I suspect that the line is broken before Mailman ever sees it
> > - it would be broken if you sent it to a standard mail client just the
> > same. But what you are sending is a text URL, not a link. The link the
> > reipient sees (that isn't working) is created by the recipient mail
> > client based on starting with http: and ending with whitespace.
> >
> > Here is your original URL, I've put it back on one line:
> >
http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18
_02.html
> >
> > Now, here it is again as a link:
> >
http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18
_02.html
> >
> > Unfortunately, that's behind a firewall and nobody outside The Kite
> > Factory will know if it worked again. Here is one that should be long
> > enough to break anything, based on all the URL encoding I used. First as
> > text:
> >
http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520
portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg
> >
> > And now as a link:
> >
http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520
portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg
> >
> > I won't know until this goes through the system, but I suspect that all
> > four will be broken onto two lines, but that the linked versions will
> > still work. Maybe we'll all learn somethign at that point.
> >
> > It's a universal problem. As the number of documents on a server grows,
> > I think we're going to have to abandon the idea of having humans read
> > URLs for taxonomy - it leads to URLs that break in too many places.
> >
> > Van
> >

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[Mailman-Users] NAT translation problems?

[Drew Krause]

Hello, a few subscribers with city and county government email addresses 
are complaining that our list mail is not getting to them. A peek at our 
mail logs confirms this. One of their system administrators noted that 
their server makes use of 'NAT translation', a concept new to me.

Has anyone else had this problem? (Is it indeed a mailman issue?) Are 
there any settings or workarounds to solve this?

Any help appreciated!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving

[J C Lawrence]

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:35 -0400 (EDT) 
Greg Westin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> With all this discussion of archiving, I have to ask: What does it say
> about the developers' confidence in Mailman that this list isn't
> archived by Mailman, but by an external service?  

The Mailman lists are archived at python.org using Pipermail, Mailman's
internal archiver.  They are also archived at various other external
sites which use various other tools.  Don't confuse the two.

> This is like when I was having trouble setting up Mailman on Mac OS X,
> and then discovered that Apple doesn't use Macs for its mail servers,
> it uses Sun computers.

As does Microsoft FWIW -- they just hide it better.

Also note that in Apple's case the Sun box in question is bigger than
any of the boxes that Apple currently makes and sells.  

> It seems to me that if this list is archived externally, maybe I, too,
> should look into that as an option. 

The internal archiver in mailman 2.1 is considerably more capable than
the archiver in Mailman 2.0.  It does not and likely never will match
the capability of external tools like MHonArc.  

If there's something you want from your archiver that Pipermail can't
offer, then investigate using an external archiver.  Otherwise look at
the archiver in v2.1.

I use an external archiver for my lists (see the FAQ for details) as I
want a variety of extra feature supports that Pipermail cannot offer (eg
replies from the web).  Other's find Pipermail's feature set quite
acceptable, especially in v2.1.

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[Mailman-Users] archiving

[Greg Westin]

With all this discussion of archiving, I have to ask:  What does it say
about the developers' confidence in Mailman that this list isn't archived
by Mailman, but by an external service?  This is like when I was having
trouble setting up Mailman on Mac OS X, and then discovered that Apple
doesn't use Macs for its mail servers, it uses Sun computers.

It seems to me that if this list is archived externally, maybe I, too,
should look into that as an option. It also seems like this should be a
well-documented option, perhaps one recommended in the manual and install
files, if Mailman will continue to have sub-par archiving.

Am I missing something important?

Greg



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing the archives HTML pages

[Richard Barrett]

At 13:32 21/08/2002 +0200, Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet wrote:

> > Hello,
> >
> > How can I edit the HTML of the archives pages?
> >
> > Thanks for any help,
> >
> > Anclo
> >
>Hi Anclo,
>
>I've been looking for an answer to that question for a while, but the
>only solution I could find was switching from the internal pipermail
>archive to an external archive like MhonArc.
>
>However, as that solution was not my favorite one, seeing I could not
>figure out if and how this could done on a per list setting (only for
>all lists mailman was running, which was not what I wanted), I ended up
>writing a special PHP script that dynamically loaded the original
>mailman archives and added a CSS stylesheet file, which adds another
>look to the page. However, this script is completely customized for our
>own usage... although I suppose changes could be made to make it a more
>general script...
>
>In each case, AFAIK the easiest way is setting up an external archiver.
>
>I hope this answers your question sufficiently and if somebody knows
>a better answer... feel free to correct me.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Guido

With MM 2.1 the HTML template for the archived mail pages is in 
$prefix/template//article.html, where language is one of the 
number of languages supported by MM 2.1

You should be able to (carefully) edit this file to suit your needs.

If you absolutely have to use 2/0.x, then you'll have to change the string 
variable called article_template in $prefix/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py.

In all cases, your changes will affect all new archive article pages on 
your MM site.

Do not blame me if you get you editing wrong and your system bursts into 
flames!

Per Guido's response saying he wanted to achieve a per list look-and-feel 
this is entirely doable without resorting to PHP.

The archived mail pages generated from these templates always resides one 
directory level down from the list's archive directory 
$prefix/archives/private/.

You could put per list look and feel CSS and like the in that directory and 
refer to it in your modified HTML article template using relative URLs.

With some judicious use of CSS and Javascript I guess you could achieve 
quite a lot.

One problem is that after creating each new list you will must add your 
extras to its private archive directory. This is an all or nothing approach.

In general, this scheme would work best if all your lists had public archives.

The problem of relative addressing with a private archive is the requests 
for your list specific furniture are going end up being requested with URL 
paths of the form /mailman/private//. 
This means they will be served by the $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py 
script. This script will do this OK but is a bit simple minded in figuring 
out the MIME type it returns in the Content-type: response header. The 
extra files you may want to have served, Javascript or CSS files for 
instance, will not have their mime types correctly reported.. You could 
substitute the following for the definition of the content_type function in 
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py to resolve this potential problem:

import mimetypes

def content_type(path):
 mtype = mimetypes.guess_type(path)[0]
 if not type:
 mtype = 'application/octet-stream'
 return mtype

Use this 'advice' at your own risk!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing the archives HTML pages

[Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet]

> Hello,
>
> How can I edit the HTML of the archives pages?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Anclo
>

Hi Anclo,

I've been looking for an answer to that question for a while, but the
only solution I could find was switching from the internal pipermail
archive to an external archive like MhonArc.

However, as that solution was not my favorite one, seeing I could not
figure out if and how this could done on a per list setting (only for
all lists mailman was running, which was not what I wanted), I ended up
writing a special PHP script that dynamically loaded the original
mailman archives and added a CSS stylesheet file, which adds another
look to the page. However, this script is completely customized for our
own usage... although I suppose changes could be made to make it a more
general script...

In each case, AFAIK the easiest way is setting up an external archiver.

I hope this answers your question sufficiently and if somebody knows
a better answer... feel free to correct me.

Kind regards,

Guido



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[Mailman-Users] List Admin Bouncing Loop

[Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet]

Hello all,

I recently got a loop in mailman and I was wondering if someone else has
had the same problem and knows how to fix it?

It might also be a bug in the software of course, but I only found a
bugreport and for an old version of mailman, so unfortunately I could
not use that patch.

The loop started when the account of one of the two list administrators
was filled. This account was also on the list itself.
So what happened was that a message got send to the list. The account
was full, so the message bounced to the admin address. The message got
send to the two list admins, however one account was full, causing the
initial bouncing, and bounced the message again to the list admin
addy... so the message got send to the two list admins again, but
well, this is were it is looping. Causing about three bounces per minute
to be received by the other admin whose account was still operational.

Right now the Mailman version is 2.0.10 with automatic bounce processing
turned off.

So, if anyone knows about or has had the same problem, then I am
interested in hearing the solution, if there is one.

Kind regards,

Guido


PS: Note to *this* list's administrator(s): You can discard the previous
message, I accidentally hit the Send button too early... my apologies..
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