[Mailman-Users] setting up Mailman
Morning everyone, I just started setting up Mailman on a Debianserver using apt-get install ... All seem to go well but if I try to use mailman i see the following errormessage in /var/log/mailman/error: Dec 01 11:24:03 2002 qrunner(10720): IOError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.bogerd.10720' Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, line 276, in ? Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 219, in lock Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): self.__write() Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 350, in __write Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): IOError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.bogerd.10723' Can anyone tell me where I went wrong ??? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] *some* subscribers don't get mail
Mailman 2.0.13 / Sendmail I've set up a Mailman list which all seems to work fine. I subscribed myself [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] as the first subscriber, sent and received a test message. Sure everything was okay I subscribed more people using the 'auto-subscribe' feature. Those people got mail and replied. But [EMAIL PROTECTED] didn't get their replies, or any mail. I subscribed another address at mydomain.tld, unsubscribed the me@ address and resubscribed it. So I now have to subscriptions to mydomain.tld. So I should get two copies of all posts - the 'membership options' confirm my settings. But I don't, I only get one copy. And I don't know to which account as my host seems to have stripped out the 'to' or 'for' line from my headers. My maillog shows mail being sent out to all subscribers, including both my addresses at mydomain.tld This seems odd to me and makes me worry that not all subscribers might be receiving mail although as far as I can see they should be. Is there a bug or did I do something wrong/stupid? -- DavidGordon -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Spaces Were Put in New List Name - How Do I Delete It
Title: Message Hi, I recently installed the latest version of mailman on RedHat 7.2 with it's patches and verified that all Mailman required software requirements were met. I created a new list with spaces in the name and now am trying to delete the list. I've tried rmlist with the list name surrounded in single-quoted and in double-quotes. I've added "\" before each space with no success. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Dean -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Spaces Were Put in New List Name - How Do IDelete It
This comes up often enough that I think it's in the FAQ. Basically you can delete the directories associated with the list and that's that. The following directories are created when you create a list: ~mailman/lists/listname ~mailman/archives/private/listname ~mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox ~mailman/archives/public/listname ~mailman/archives/public/listname.mbox If you delete those directories, then you have deleted the list! One of the nice things about Mailman is its simplicity. Good Luck! Jon Carnes == On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 08:56, Dean Nielson wrote: Hi, I recently installed the latest version of mailman on RedHat 7.2 with it's patches and verified that all Mailman required software requirements were met. I created a new list with spaces in the name and now am trying to delete the list. I've tried rmlist with the list name surrounded in single-quoted and in double-quotes. I've added \ before each space with no success. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Dean -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] *some* subscribers don't get mail
From what you have said below, this seems to be a problem with your MTA and not related to mailman. Especially since your logs indicate that the mail goes out. You might check for a local routing problem - or that your aliases file has been properly setup. Good Luck. On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 07:23, David Gordon wrote: Mailman 2.0.13 / Sendmail I've set up a Mailman list which all seems to work fine. I subscribed myself [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] as the first subscriber, sent and received a test message. Sure everything was okay I subscribed more people using the 'auto-subscribe' feature. Those people got mail and replied. But [EMAIL PROTECTED] didn't get their replies, or any mail. I subscribed another address at mydomain.tld, unsubscribed the me@ address and resubscribed it. So I now have to subscriptions to mydomain.tld. So I should get two copies of all posts - the 'membership options' confirm my settings. But I don't, I only get one copy. And I don't know to which account as my host seems to have stripped out the 'to' or 'for' line from my headers. My maillog shows mail being sent out to all subscribers, including both my addresses at mydomain.tld This seems odd to me and makes me worry that not all subscribers might be receiving mail although as far as I can see they should be. Is there a bug or did I do something wrong/stupid? -- DavidGordon -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up Mailman
Could it be what the error says it is: a permissions problem? Have you run the ~mailman/bin/check_perms program from Mailman? In particular you need to look at the owner/group for the ~mailman/locks directory and its rights mask. I suspect that you may have more problems than just that. You might want to search the archives and use the keyword Debian. They do things quite different from the recommend, so the apt get install on Debian is almost as screwy as the RPM installs on other distro's. On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 05:25, Ron Bogerd wrote: Morning everyone, I just started setting up Mailman on a Debianserver using apt-get install ... All seem to go well but if I try to use mailman i see the following errormessage in /var/log/mailman/error: Dec 01 11:24:03 2002 qrunner(10720): IOError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.bogerd.10720' Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, line 276, in ? Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 219, in lock Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): self.__write() Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 350, in __write Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): IOError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.bogerd.10723' Can anyone tell me where I went wrong ??? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Web-based posting?
Check out this FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.007.htp It has a script to dump out the users email addresses and passwords to a file that is usable via apache for authentication. It does exactly what you need. But don't let that stop you from writing a Python program for managing the passwords stored in the database. I'm toying with that right now myself (as are some others based on very recent posting!) Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 21:49, Phillip L. Harbison wrote: Elaine Miller wrote: Nicolas Steenhout wrote: I want for the list to be restricted to registered users [...] Most importantly, I would like users to be able to POST to the list from the web. Hmm. Seems like one ought to be able to set up a simple formmail on an html page, since Formmail sends to the set address as coming from the email address the user enters. I assume Nicolas wants a solution that only allows registered users to post to the list using the web. I have a similar need. Might be harder to stop spammers with this one... Exactly. I have a simple form and a CGI written in Perl that allows anyone to send mail as long as they know a password. Unfortunately, the only way for the entire list to use this is to broadcast the password to the list (which is NOT a Good Thing(tm)). What I would like is a CGI that would look up the password in Mailman's user DB. Has anyone done this? If not, I will put on my programming hat and learn python. -- Phil Harbison -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] VirtualHosting and Mailman
This question has been answered many times. If it is not in the FAQ then it is certainly in the archives of the list - look at the footer of any message from the list for links to both the FAQ and the Archives. Basically, you should consider using Postfix in place of sendmail for your MTA. Postfix does a much better job of handling virtual mail (at least when it comes to sending from a Virtual Domain). Also, Mailman version 2.1.x does a better job of handling Virtual Domains - though that version is still in the later stages of being a Beta release. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 08:49, Ram Prasad wrote: Hi I have installed mailman successfully, and would like to know how I can do virtualhosting... The scenario is: 1) the client wants to have his own listman page ( for the lists of his domain, say, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2) now, since we also run lists for other domains, the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] is conflicting with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using sendmail as my MTA. I would like to know how I can do virtual hosting with mailman. Any pointers to articles on the net is also fine.. Please help Ram Prasad. P http://www.megalinux.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem when subscribing]
yes, i specified the --with-mail-gid matching my /etc/passwd file. How can i do ? Is this a mailman problem ? I mean, postfix receives the messages and forwards them to Mailman, so it should be a Mailman issue ? It sounds to me like qrunner is failing to process the queued files. Can you test-run the cron job, exactly as it's entered, to ensure that it works? If the queued files are in the mailman/qfiles/in directory, then I'd guess that qrunner is unable to get to them. If they're in the mailman/qfiles/shunt directory, then qrunner had an error processing them. There should be something in your logs that will give you a clue about the problem. (BTW, I'm not entirely sure about the preceeding, since I haven't read the code.) In any case, check the mailman/logs directory for error messages in any of the files. All, OK, i found what was wrong : mail wrapper isn't running with the right gid/uid, but i trid both 0 and 65534 id (./configure --with-mail-gid=65534 or 0) : if i set it to 0, Mailman answers it should be 65534, and if i set it to 65534, that it should be 0... I don't understand... I think i'm not far away from the success, but... Thanks again to the hole list. -- Nicolas Cartron -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Automating Gnu Mailman List Updates
I believe you will find that the Command Line Interface will handle everything you need. In particular you might want to look at sync_members http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.009.htp On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 11:00, Jim Smith wrote: Hi... I have a Perl-based organization data management system from which I will be exracting the e-mail address of individuals and assigning to various Gnu Mailman managed e-mail lists. This needs to be automated so that the e-mail lists are continually up-to-date with the data contained within the organization data management system. In order to do this I need either a Perl module that accesses Gnu Mailman list objects or a Command Line Interface to the Gnu Mailman system. Are either of these available? In general, is there a Gnu Mailman model for automating the updates of Gnu Mailman list objects, without using the Web Interface? Jim -- -- Jim Smith Assistant Coordinator Information Technology Group College of Biological Sciences 247 Gortner Lab University of Minnesota 1.612.625.6208 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] :BASS: - Biology Application Server System ALDER - Acaptive Life Directory for Extensible Reporting BIRCH - Biological Information Resource for Career Help FERN - Florae Environment Resource Network (CBS Greenhouse) IRIS - Image Repository Information System WREN - Web-based Research Education Network -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Sendmail vulnerability (via smrsh)
Take note those of us who rely on Sendmail (and smrsh) as our MTA: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-11-28-008-26-SC-MD-SW -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman archives and email addresses
It doesn't do a complete job of obscuring email addresses in archived email. 1. Some email clients use the users' email address as the base of the message-id. 2. Mailmain doesn't obscure email addresses in the body, so if this message were archived, then [EMAIL PROTECTED] would appear in the archive and be accessible to so-called harvesters of email addresses. I would like the ability to perform a one-way transformation on _all_ email addresses. I fear that obfuscation techniques such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and mailman-archival-error at computerdatasafe dot com dot au are becoming well-known enough that writers of the harvesting software will code round it. However, removing email addresses from lines such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: is safe, and as a writer to numerous lists, my intended audience is those subscribed to the list; if archival copies are less complete that's fine by me. If I want someone to write direct to me, I will spell out the email address. Many people go to extraordinary lengths to reduce spam; the more mailing-list software does to help the better for all of is. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archives and email addresses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 06:30 PM, John Summerfield wrote: It doesn't do a complete job of obscuring email addresses in archived email. [snip] 2. Mailmain doesn't obscure email addresses in the body, so if this message were archived, then [EMAIL PROTECTED] would appear in the archive and be accessible to so-called harvesters of email addresses. So be it. IMHO, if an email address is in the message body, it *should* be archived. It is easy for a user to render their email address relatively unrecognizable to harvesters if they so desire (indeed, this has been a common practice for years). However, removing email addresses from lines such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: is safe, and as a writer to numerous lists, my intended audience is those subscribed to the list; if archival copies are less complete that's fine by me. If I want someone to write direct to me, I will spell out the email address. Yowzer. I'm *very* against outright deletion of addresses. If you want to do this, go ahead and write your own patch for it, but please don't put this in the public release. Many people go to extraordinary lengths to reduce spam; the more mailing-list software does to help the better for all of is. - -1 Chris Hedemark .. Hillsborough, NC .. http://yonderway.com Homeland Security begins at home; support your Second Amendment. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQE96mzTYPuF4Zq9lvYRAv0uAJ9HtSnZSBjXhqotYKdkm1xvpoh2cACg9UGH qO3kBjXjeYKJFDgaDqeAD60= =xYzn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archives and email addresses
-Original Message- From: Chris Hedemark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 3:11 PM It is easy for a user to render their email address relatively unrecognizable to harvesters if they so desire (indeed, this has been a common practice for years). That is false.Case in point Your email address is now archived whether you wanted it public or not. You had no control over this none whatsoever. -Jim P. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] multiple emails
Now that I have fixed the log and permission problems, I have come across another one that I haven't seen posted anywhere. When I send mail to the list (in this case test) I get three copies for each address in the list (all of which come to me since I created for the purpose of testing). Can anyone tell me why I am getting three copies to each address? This only happens on this one list. Robert Lydiate [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] names of list subscribers
Is there any way to include additional fields in the subscription form for a list? We are running a list where the list manager's approval is needed for those subscribing and it would help to have the subscribers name, etc. before approving for list membership. Many thanks Peter Peter Turner, IT Administrator Episcopal Church House - Diocese of Washington 202-537-6540 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.edow.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Configuration
I'm a relative newbie, trying to set up Mailman on a RH7.2 box. I've installed into the default locations, tested as suggested, and set up a test list. My mailbox receives the Your new mailing list message. Clicking on the links gets a 404 message. I've enabled the execcgi in httpd.conf for the mailman/cgi-bin directory. The apache error_log file shows: [error] [client 144.137.89.83] File does not exist: /var/www/html/admin/test [error] [client 144.137.89.83] File does not exist: /var/www/html/listinfo/test Can anyone advise further? Edwin Humphries, Ironstone Technology Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 02 4233 2299 Fax: 02 4233 2299 Mobile: 0419 233 051 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
