Re: [Mailman-Users] misfeature/bug in MM 2.1

2003-01-18 Thread J C Lawrence
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:43:06 -0500
Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I got working a prototype integration of Mailman and spambayes, and
> I'll probably be checking this into cvs when I get back .  I'd
> label it as an interesting experiment, but whether it'll be useful
> remains to be seen.  I doubt it will eliminate the need for other
> upstream spam catching tools.

:looks pointedly at TMDA (especially for the control addresses).

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[Mailman-Users] how to access mailman in web browser

2003-01-18 Thread Prabhakaran
I installed Linux 8 and it comes with mailman 

but i dont know how to access this on web browser please help how to go abut 

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML?

2003-01-18 Thread Jim Hale
Thanks Barry - I already got MHonArc running - just need to learn how to
customize how the screens Look. :)

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> "JH" == Jim Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

JH> I started a mailing list for 'Blinkies' and 99% of the
JH> messages that come thru are in HTML. They come thru my list
JH> just fine, but the archives are majorly ugly. Is there a way
JH> to have the HTML messages display in HTML in the archives?

JH> Using 2.1 Release. :)

While others have given good advice about mhonarc, you might also want
to look at the ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER variable in Defaults.py.  It
controls what Pipermail does with html attachements.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] user feedback on plain digests

2003-01-18 Thread Bryan Fullerton

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 10:47 PM, Bryan Fullerton wrote:


On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 07:36 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:


One of my goals for the digester was that either digest could be burst
and the individual messages would look exactly as if they had arrived
independently.  Or at least, they'd be useable to do follow ups back
to the list.  Maybe that's unreasonable for plain text digests.  If
so, the current code may need a more invasive surgery.


Sounds fine for the general case as long as I can (preferably easily) 
customize my specific case to only display specific headers in a 
specific order. Which is what I have now with the patch from Tokio 
Kikuchi.

Erm, for plain text digests that is. :)

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Problems with content filtering

2003-01-18 Thread David Gibbs
"Paul Kleeberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:a05200f09ba4fc58a4544@[192.168.1.12]...
> A message was sent out to the subscribers with the appropriate
> subject line and list-specific header lines but this is what appeared
> in the body of the message:
>/root/hPnn4E: Permission denied

Paul:

I ran into the EXACT same problem ... it has something to do with where lynx
creates work files ... I don't know what it is.

I solved the problem by changing the HTML to Plaintext command to links...

Download links from http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ and
install it.

Then add/change the following in mm_cfg.py ...

HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = '/usr/local/bin/links -dump %(filename)s'

... and restart qrunner.

Works great.

david




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Re: [Mailman-Users] user feedback on plain digests

2003-01-18 Thread Bryan Fullerton

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 07:36 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:


One of my goals for the digester was that either digest could be burst
and the individual messages would look exactly as if they had arrived
independently.  Or at least, they'd be useable to do follow ups back
to the list.  Maybe that's unreasonable for plain text digests.  If
so, the current code may need a more invasive surgery.


Sounds fine for the general case as long as I can (preferably easily) 
customize my specific case to only display specific headers in a 
specific order. Which is what I have now with the patch from Tokio 
Kikuchi.

Bryan


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[Mailman-Users] Problems with content filtering

2003-01-18 Thread Paul Kleeberg
Thank you all for the help on the regular expression.

Again I am probably missing the obvious but it is beyond my skill 
level to decipher.

I would like only plain text messages to go out to the list, 
converting non-text messages to plain text and stripping attachments. 
I am not sure if that is possible.  But I have run into a problem:

I am using RedHat 8.0 and have upgraded from Mailman 2.0.13 to 2.1. 
In order to keep file locations the same, I ran configure with 
--prefix=/var/mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mail.  In 
the /etc/smrch directory I created ln -s 
../../var/mailman/mail/mailman mailman.  Things appear to work fine 
until I turn on the content filter, left the black list blank, added 
"text/html" to the white list, turned on the convert text/html to 
plain text and send a message of Content-Type: text/html; 
charset="us-ascii" to the list.

A message was sent out to the subscribers with the appropriate 
subject line and list-specific header lines but this is what appeared 
in the body of the message:

  /root/hPnn4E: Permission denied

Looking at the /var/log/mailman/error file I see:

  Jan 18 18:10:04 2003 (23871) HTML->text/plain error: 256

Suggestions?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] user feedback on plain digests

2003-01-18 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Hi, Barry.

Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

"BF" == Bryan Fullerton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:




BF> When I get a chance later today I'll be trying the patch Tokio
BF> Kikuchi sent to mailman-developers - hopefully it will resolve
BF> the excess headers issue.

I'm off the net at the moment so I can't look at the patch, but I can
guess what it does.  If I'm right  will it bother folks that
reducing the number of headers in the plain text digest will also
reduce the number of headers in the MIME digest?


No. I didn't touch the MIME part of the digester. Only plain text
headers are reduced (and cofigurable in mm_cfg.py).



One of my goals for the digester was that either digest could be burst
and the individual messages would look exactly as if they had arrived
independently.  Or at least, they'd be useable to do follow ups back
to the list.  Maybe that's unreasonable for plain text digests.  If
so, the current code may need a more invasive surgery.



After I submitted the patch, I had a chance to review Scrubber.py.
I think I have re-invented a scrubber with less capablity.
Maybe we should use the Scrubber.py for plain text digests.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Sub-lists and authorized posting

2003-01-18 Thread Nathan Neulinger
Done. Added as patch #670522

On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 12:27, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> > "NN" == Nathan Neulinger  writes:
> 
> NN> I managed to make a patch to do this based on the
> NN> "list_exploder" patch that is in the sourceforge patches area
> NN> for 2.0.
> 
> NN> I've got a patch against 2.1 if anyone is
> NN> interested. Basically lets you put:
> 
> NN> +list@thisdomain
> 
> NN> in the *_these_nonmembers boxes, and it will expand that to
> NN> the contents of that list when checking for authorization to
> NN> post/etc.
> 
> Please submit a SF patch for this.  It sounds like a useful patch!
> Maybe it'll make it into MM2.2.
> 
> -Barry
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Re: [Mailman-Users] misfeature/bug in MM 2.1

2003-01-18 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "JAE" == Jeff A Earickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

JAE> In my study of my mailing lists today (both new in MM 2.1,
JAE> and upgraded from 2.0.13), I made the sad discovery that

JAE> generic_nonmember_action = 0

JAE> for **all** of my lists.  The "bend over and take spam"
JAE> setting.  I noticed that DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION is
JAE> set to one in Mailman/Defaults.py, but I don't think this
JAE> setting works properly.  If it did work properly, I would
JAE> argue that the default should be 2 (reject), not 1 (hold for
JAE> administrator).  Why should the list administrator be
JAE> bothered with having to tend admin requests from spammers and
JAE> other idiots?

Mailman isn't an anti-spam program, although it has some modest
anti-spam defenses.  Since there are lots of anti-spam programs out
there, it should be pretty easy to install a good anti-spam program
upstream of Mailman.  I just gave a talk at the MIT spam conference
about our approach and will be putting our slides up on the web
somewhere soon (probably on spamconference.org -- not sure yet).

BTW, on the train to said conference, I got working a prototype
integration of Mailman and spambayes, and I'll probably be checking
this into cvs when I get back .  I'd label it as an interesting
experiment, but whether it'll be useful remains to be seen.  I doubt
it will eliminate the need for other upstream spam catching tools.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds

2003-01-18 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
> "sp" == sean pambianco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

sp> Is there anyway to run the mailpasswds cron jobs for just one
sp> list as opposed for all lists on my mailman server?

cron/mailpasswds -l onelist

See -h for details.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] BCC allowed?

2003-01-18 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "CH" == Carl Holtje <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

CH> While the power of denying a list to be specified in a BCC
CH> field is certainly undeniable, I'd like the ability to accept
CH> a post that has the list BCCd if the sender is a list member
CH> -- is this possible?

For MM2.1, look under Privacy -> Recipient filters.  You might want to
edit either require_explicit_destination or acceptable_aliases.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML?

2003-01-18 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "JH" == Jim Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

JH> I started a mailing list for 'Blinkies' and 99% of the
JH> messages that come thru are in HTML. They come thru my list
JH> just fine, but the archives are majorly ugly. Is there a way
JH> to have the HTML messages display in HTML in the archives?

JH> Using 2.1 Release. :)

While others have given good advice about mhonarc, you might also want
to look at the ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER variable in Defaults.py.  It
controls what Pipermail does with html attachements.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] spam filter

2003-01-18 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "KW" == Kory Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

KW> I would like to discard any email that comes from the from
KW> address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".

In MM2.1, this is easy.  Add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to your Privacy->Sender
filters->discard_these_nonmembers.

In MM2.0 the best you can do is catch "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and
manually discard them.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Sub-lists and authorized posting

2003-01-18 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "NN" == Nathan Neulinger  writes:

NN> I managed to make a patch to do this based on the
NN> "list_exploder" patch that is in the sourceforge patches area
NN> for 2.0.

NN> I've got a patch against 2.1 if anyone is
NN> interested. Basically lets you put:

NN> +list@thisdomain

NN> in the *_these_nonmembers boxes, and it will expand that to
NN> the contents of that list when checking for authorization to
NN> post/etc.

Please submit a SF patch for this.  It sounds like a useful patch!
Maybe it'll make it into MM2.2.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can users request old digests?

2003-01-18 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "EL" == Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

EL> I recently received a request from a user who receives and
EL> archives the digest version of the list, and due to ISP
EL> problems he recently missed a few issues. He has used lists
EL> where you can send email to the list requesting specific
EL> digest back issues; is such a capability part of Mailman?

No, but it's a good idea.  Please submit a feature request.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] user feedback on plain digests

2003-01-18 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "BF" == Bryan Fullerton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

BF> When I get a chance later today I'll be trying the patch Tokio
BF> Kikuchi sent to mailman-developers - hopefully it will resolve
BF> the excess headers issue.

I'm off the net at the moment so I can't look at the patch, but I can
guess what it does.  If I'm right  will it bother folks that
reducing the number of headers in the plain text digest will also
reduce the number of headers in the MIME digest?

One of my goals for the digester was that either digest could be burst
and the individual messages would look exactly as if they had arrived
independently.  Or at least, they'd be useable to do follow ups back
to the list.  Maybe that's unreasonable for plain text digests.  If
so, the current code may need a more invasive surgery.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server

2003-01-18 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

> "RBP" == Richard B Pyne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

RBP> However, the create cgi will not permit including the
RBP> @dom.ain in the list name and therefore defaults to the
RBP> default domain (which mailman appears to allow only to be the
RBP> domain listed in the PTR dns record for the IP address of the
RBP> machine).

Not true.  New lists will inherit the domain that you used to visit
the create cgi.

E.g.

If I go to http://mail.python.org/mailman/create to create my new
list, it'll show up in the python.org domain.

If instead I use http://lists.zope.org/mailman/create, it'll show up
in the zope.org domain.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression

2003-01-18 Thread Greg Westin
I don't know what the I or | or whatever that is does - I assume it  
does the same thing as {0,1}.  But the important difference between the  
rule I use:
	RewriteRule ^/(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$/mailman/listinfo [L,R]
and the ones you suggested is that mine also redirects requests for /  
to /mailman/listinfo.  You may or may not want that functionality, of  
course.  Again, I don't claim to be an expert in any of this stuff...  
considering your comments, perhaps this would be the best for what I  
want to do:
	RewriteRule ^/(mailman(|/)){0,1}$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]
I don't know if you can use nested parentheses, and I don't know if the  
PT flag is something I'd want, but whatever works...

Greg

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:15  PM, Richard Barrett wrote:

At 14:46 18/01/2003, Greg Westin wrote:

I think what you want to do to fix this is add a carat ("^") before  
the
first slash:
RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

That way, it only catches it if "/mailman" occurs at the beginning of
the string.

Personally, I use a little more inclusive regular expression, because  
I
want it to also redirect any requests for the top level
(http://lists.example.com) to the listinfo page:
RewriteRule ^[/]{0,1}(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$/mailman/listinfo
[L,R]

What's wrong with:

RedirectMatch permanent ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo

or, if you have mod_rewrite and the rewrite engine on:

RewriteRule ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]

or even better:

RewriteRule ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]

The latter has the advantage, courtesy of the PT flag, of delivering  
the /mailman/listinfo page immediately instead of making the browser  
do a second request (each time it visits) to follow the redirection  
response produced by the initial request, if that request's URI path  
was /mailman or /mailman/

I claim to be no master of regular expressions, though... because wow
that looks ugly.  That notwithstanding, I think my advice on your
situation is correct.

Greg

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:09  AM, Paul Kleeberg wrote:


I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to
figure it out.

I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13.  It
suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file:

# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your
server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page
(recommended).
# RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

That used to work fine.  I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.  I created
the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the
INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page
http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview  
page
http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because
"RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just
redirects it the top level listinfo page.

I am aware that I have two options:
  1. Rename the "mailman" list
  2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file.

Is there a third?  I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but  
I
just do not know what I am doing.  Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression

2003-01-18 Thread Richard Barrett
At 14:46 18/01/2003, Greg Westin wrote:

I think what you want to do to fix this is add a carat ("^") before the
first slash:
RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

That way, it only catches it if "/mailman" occurs at the beginning of
the string.

Personally, I use a little more inclusive regular expression, because I
want it to also redirect any requests for the top level
(http://lists.example.com) to the listinfo page:
RewriteRule ^[/]{0,1}(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$/mailman/listinfo
[L,R]


What's wrong with:

RedirectMatch permanent ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo

or, if you have mod_rewrite and the rewrite engine on:

RewriteRule ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]

or even better:

RewriteRule ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]

The latter has the advantage, courtesy of the PT flag, of delivering the 
/mailman/listinfo page immediately instead of making the browser do a 
second request (each time it visits) to follow the redirection response 
produced by the initial request, if that request's URI path was /mailman or 
/mailman/

I claim to be no master of regular expressions, though... because wow
that looks ugly.  That notwithstanding, I think my advice on your
situation is correct.

Greg

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:09  AM, Paul Kleeberg wrote:


I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to
figure it out.

I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13.  It
suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file:

# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your
server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page
(recommended).
# RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

That used to work fine.  I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.  I created
the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the
INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page
http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview page
http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because
"RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just
redirects it the top level listinfo page.

I am aware that I have two options:
  1. Rename the "mailman" list
  2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file.

Is there a third?  I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but I
just do not know what I am doing.  Any help would be appreciated.

Paul
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[Mailman-Users] Postfix style virtual domains

2003-01-18 Thread Richard B. Pyne
Can someone point me in the right direction to make a patch. I am using 
Postfix virtual domains, and I need to make a patch to make newlist add 
'@localhost' to the end of each entry in virtual-mailman as in:

default entry:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]   mylist

needs to be:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]   mylist@localhost


Otherwise, postfix 2.0.0.2 rewrites the address and sends it to 
mylist@$mydomain, which gets sent off to another machine instead of being 
delivered locally and processed through aliases to send it to mailman.

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression

2003-01-18 Thread Greg Westin
Just in case anyone was actually thinking of using that regexp I sent,  
my limited knowledge tells me that this would be a slightly better  
incarnation:
RewriteRule ^/(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$   /mailman/listinfo [L,R]

Greg

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 09:46  AM, Greg Westin wrote:

I think what you want to do to fix this is add a carat ("^") before  
the first slash:
RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

That way, it only catches it if "/mailman" occurs at the beginning of  
the string.

Personally, I use a little more inclusive regular expression, because  
I want it to also redirect any requests for the top level  
(http://lists.example.com) to the listinfo page:
RewriteRule ^[/]{0,1}(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$/mailman/listinfo  
[L,R]

I claim to be no master of regular expressions, though... because wow  
that looks ugly.  That notwithstanding, I think my advice on your  
situation is correct.

Greg

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:09  AM, Paul Kleeberg wrote:

I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to  
figure it out.

I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13.  It  
suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file:

# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your  
server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page  
(recommended).
# RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

That used to work fine.  I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.  I created  
the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the  
INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page  
http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview  
page http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because  
"RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just  
redirects it the top level listinfo page.

I am aware that I have two options:
  1. Rename the "mailman" list
  2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file.

Is there a third?  I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but  
I just do not know what I am doing.  Any help would be appreciated.

Paul
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression

2003-01-18 Thread Greg Westin
I think what you want to do to fix this is add a carat ("^") before the  
first slash:
RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

That way, it only catches it if "/mailman" occurs at the beginning of  
the string.

Personally, I use a little more inclusive regular expression, because I  
want it to also redirect any requests for the top level  
(http://lists.example.com) to the listinfo page:
RewriteRule ^[/]{0,1}(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$/mailman/listinfo  
[L,R]

I claim to be no master of regular expressions, though... because wow  
that looks ugly.  That notwithstanding, I think my advice on your  
situation is correct.

Greg

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:09  AM, Paul Kleeberg wrote:

I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to  
figure it out.

I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13.  It  
suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file:

# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your  
server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page  
(recommended).
# RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

That used to work fine.  I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.  I created  
the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the  
INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page  
http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview page  
http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because  
"RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just  
redirects it the top level listinfo page.

I am aware that I have two options:
  1. Rename the "mailman" list
  2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file.

Is there a third?  I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but I  
just do not know what I am doing.  Any help would be appreciated.

Paul
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