Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q)

[Tokio Kikuchi]

Make sure bin/check_perms doesn't give any problems (just to rule that out).



That came up clean almost from the start... just a couple snafus the first 
time and clean after. Now, however...

[root@mail mailman]# /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
bash: /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No 
such file or directory

'@PYTHON@' means the script is not './configure'-ed.
Follow the instructions in INSTALL to install.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q)

[Keith Mastin]

>
Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/"


Options FollowSymLinks
>
>Options Indexes FollowSymLinks

Nope... not that simple either. Need to know what to index and spec that 
in the conf file too...
Here's what I have now:
index.htm index.php index.php4 index.php3 index.phtml index.cgi

I'm guessing py, but would that be accurate?

Thanks

>> problem. Here's a line from error_log:
>> [Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index 
>> forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/
>
>says it all. Read your apache manual.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q)

[Keith Mastin]

Hi Matthew,

>> >> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/"
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Options FollowSymLinks
>> >> AllowOverride None
>> >> Order allow,deny
>> >> Allow from all
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
>> >
>> >Options +FollowSymlinks
>> >
>> 
>> Yeah, that didn't work. I'm leaning more toward it being a permissions 
>> problem. Here's a line from error_log:
>> [Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index 
>> forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/
>
>Make sure bin/check_perms doesn't give any problems (just to rule that out).

That came up clean almost from the start... just a couple snafus the first 
time and clean after. Now, however...

[root@mail mailman]# /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
bash: /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No 
such file or directory

>But this is an apache config problem.  I'd go thru the apache .conf file and
>take out thoes  options (to make sure they're not causing the
>problem) or # them out.  Make sure you restart apache to have the new
>settings take effect.  Then try with just the 2 lines
>
>Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman2/archives/public/
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman2/cgi-bin/"
>
>Thats all I have in my httpd.conf in refrence to mailman.

Tried that too... still no joy. What should the perm on the archives tree 
be? Thanks again.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Bob Puff@NLE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I second the recommendation NOT to use Exchange as your mail transport agent.
>  If you've got a DNS server (even your MS box, shiver me timbers) that's only
> a couple milliseconds away, you're not going to see any noticeable performance
> hit, especially if it's on your local lan.  I've found that by far the
> limiting factor is your connection to the internet.  

Or, with Postfix, disk I/O

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Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?

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* Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> The reason I was going to do this, is because I don't really want to
> have two DNS servers on the same subnet, and email being sent by a
> machine with local DNS, is going to send faster that a machine that has
> to wait for DNS queries to be answered.

a) You don't need a DNS server. You only need a cache. Something like
   nscd (should come with libc!) or better 
   http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/install.html
   is dead simple to install and doesn't conflict with anything on the net.

b) a local DNS has nothing to do with resolving names from the
   internet (unless you configured it to be a cache)

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Bundling HTDIG

[Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

While I can understand why one might not want to bundle HTDIG with Mailman, I
do think it is entirely appropriate to integrade the HTDIG patches into
Mailman, making the adding of HTDIG much easier.  Especially since the patch
author has made the patch such that the default usage does not affect normal
Pipermail operation (if HT:Dig is not installed/used).

Bob

P.S. The subject index in the digest are wrapping in a very odd way.  For
example, the first line shows:

1.
  Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages from
  private archives (Jon Carnes)

Note the blank line after the number.  This is new to MM2.1.





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to deletemessages from private archives

[Greg Westin]

I agree.  htdig and python are both on the redhat cd's.  I fear that 
htdig
will become part of the mailman package as pipermail is.

I really don't know much about this stuff, but two thoughts:

-Not all of us use redhat.  So what is or isn't on the redhat cds 
shouldn't be a deciding factor in decision about including features, 
though obviously it should be considered.
-Patches are all well and good, but I'd venture to guess that many 
users wouldn't be comfortable patching Mailman for fear of messing 
something up.  However, everyone probably wants archives that are to 
some degree searchable.  It seems to me that beginners would want 
searchability out-of-the-box, but be afraid to patch; users who want 
more powerful searching are almost certainly willing to apply patches, 
etc.; users who don't want searching are... I don't know any of those 
people.

I certainly understand, of course, concerns about making the Mailman 
package excessively large, and concerns by developers about tying 
themselves to development of a new component.  However, I think users 
have come to expect that they can search things in archives -- if an 
archiver is going to be included with Mailman, I think some search 
capability ought to be.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to deletemessages from private archives

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "MD" == Matthew Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MD> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman2 mailman2 5466939 Dec 30 23:55
MD> mailman-2.1.tgz

Eventually, I want to split Mailman into a sumo distro and a lite
distro, where the latter includes just the English distro.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages fromprivate archives

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "JC" == Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

JC> Is there a reason you wouldn't want to simply include Htdig as
JC> part of the "out of the box" install?

If we bundle it with Mailman, we're making a commitment to maintain
it.

JC> Are you thinking that we can port ht://dig over to Python and
JC> then improve it performance? :-)

Sure, I can't wait .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to deletemessages from private archives

[Matthew Davis]

* Steve Huston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Matthew Davis wrote:
> 
> > * Jon Carnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Is there a reason you wouldn't want to simply include Htdig as part of
> > > the "out of the box" install?
> > My concern is the size of the package.
> > Thats a good chunk, and adding htdig (tarball for 3.1.6 is 2 meg) would up
> > the package size to roughly 7-8 meg.  Considering I'm just a lowly dial-up
> > 56k constant connection server (theres no plans of broadband where I live,
> > way too far in the NC sticks), puts me as a minority I know.  Just a
> > concern.
> 
> Yes, but look at just the size of Mailman, plus the "htdig" patches on
> Sourceforge.  That's not too big, and simply means you'd have to install htdig
> separately.  Or even change the patches around (if necessary, don't recall
> now) so that they can be applied, but htdig isn't required for things to run.
> Yes, you'd still have to download and install it if you wanted the
> functionality, however it comes with RedHat at least so you could install it
> from your distribution's media.

I agree.  htdig and python are both on the redhat cd's.  I fear that htdig
will become part of the mailman package as pipermail is.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to deletemessages from private archives

[Steve Huston]

[Trimming CCs down to just the list]

On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Matthew Davis wrote:

> * Jon Carnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Is there a reason you wouldn't want to simply include Htdig as part of
> > the "out of the box" install?
> My concern is the size of the package.
> Thats a good chunk, and adding htdig (tarball for 3.1.6 is 2 meg) would up
> the package size to roughly 7-8 meg.  Considering I'm just a lowly dial-up
> 56k constant connection server (theres no plans of broadband where I live,
> way too far in the NC sticks), puts me as a minority I know.  Just a
> concern.

Yes, but look at just the size of Mailman, plus the "htdig" patches on
Sourceforge.  That's not too big, and simply means you'd have to install htdig
separately.  Or even change the patches around (if necessary, don't recall
now) so that they can be applied, but htdig isn't required for things to run.
Yes, you'd still have to download and install it if you wanted the
functionality, however it comes with RedHat at least so you could install it
from your distribution's media.

While I can agree with large package sizes (have had my DSL dropped twice when
companies went under, and had to go back to good old dial-up), I doubt a
couple patches to Mailman would change the size that much.  Plus, it already
requires Python, and last I checked that was pretty big :>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q)

[Tokio Kikuchi]

   Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/"

   
   Options FollowSymLinks


Options Indexes FollowSymLinks



problem. Here's a line from error_log:
[Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index 
forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/

says it all. Read your apache manual.

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Re: [Mailman-Users]

[Matthew Davis]

* Jeff Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Can all list administration with mailman be accomplished with email
> directives
> or do you need the web interface for some of it?

Not all, but some.  The web interface is very slick and well done.

> Is it possible to have the option to archive email messages to my web server
> so
> that they would be available online for anyone?

Yes.  Mailman does this out-of-the-box (if the web server is setup correctly
to see the archives).
 
> Is mailman compatible with RedHat 7.x?

Yes.  Visit http://www.list.org

> Why should I use Mailman rather than..
> majordomo?
> sympa?
> esquire?
> ecartis?

http://www.list.org/features.html
In a nutshell, its just better.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q)

[Matthew Davis]

* Keith Mastin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:53, Keith Mastin wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/"
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Options FollowSymLinks
> >> AllowOverride None
> >> Order allow,deny
> >> Allow from all
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
> >
> >Options +FollowSymlinks
> >
> 
> Yeah, that didn't work. I'm leaning more toward it being a permissions 
> problem. Here's a line from error_log:
> [Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index 
> forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/

Make sure bin/check_perms doesn't give any problems (just to rule that out).

But this is an apache config problem.  I'd go thru the apache .conf file and
take out thoes  options (to make sure they're not causing the
problem) or # them out.  Make sure you restart apache to have the new
settings take effect.  Then try with just the 2 lines

Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman2/archives/public/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman2/cgi-bin/"

Thats all I have in my httpd.conf in refrence to mailman.

See if that works.

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[Jeff Martin]

Hello.

Can all list administration with mailman be accomplished with email
directives
or do you need the web interface for some of it?

Is it possible to have the option to archive email messages to my web server
so
that they would be available online for anyone?

Is mailman compatible with RedHat 7.x?

Why should I use Mailman rather than...
majordomo?
sympa?
esquire?
ecartis?

Thanks!  Jeff
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Re: [Mailman-Users] text only in attachment -Noob.Q

[Keith Mastin]

>Can you include a sample email to the list?
>I'm curious if the problem is the Content Filter (look in the
>web-admin).
>
>Jon Carnes

Web-admin? How would I look there, do you mean on the stuff we see in  
a browser, or in the code that makes the page?

Okay, here's the test message, headers first, body second and the 
attachment third:
Headers:
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 27 16:45:55 2003 
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Received: from mail.mcleodlake.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) 
 by mail.mcleodlake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D0EBB30 
 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:45:55 -0800 (PST) 
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Received: from mcleodlake.com (unknown [216.113.197.175]) 
 by mail.mcleodlake.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 449C0BB30 
 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:45:53 -0800 (PST) 
Received: from 216.138.194.32 
 (SquirrelMail authenticated user keith.mastin) 
 by www.mcleodlakeindianband.com with HTTP; 
 Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:45:53 -0500 (EST) 
Message-ID: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:45:53 -0500 (EST) 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
X-Priority: 3 
Importance: Normal 
X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10) 
MIME-Version: 1.0 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: [Members] test 
X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 
Precedence: list 
Reply-To: Unmoderated members list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
List-Id: Unmoderated members list  
List-Unsubscribe: 
, 
  
List-Archive:  
List-Post:  
List-Help:  
List-Subscribe: 
, 
  
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 
boundary="===060077655689155129==" 
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Body:
Subject: [Members] test View Full Header 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Add 
Date: Mon, January 27, 2003 7:45 pm View Printable Version
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Block Sender
Priority:  Normal   Block Sender's Domain
Mailer:  SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10)   
Mailing List: Post to List | Reply to List | Subscribe | Unsubscribe | 
List Archives | Help 
 
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Members mailing list
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Attachments: 
   untitled-[1]  0.2 k   [ text/$email_type ]download  |  view 
 

Attachment:
 
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... that's it. Wierd, huh?

>Jon Carnes
>
>On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:22, Keith Mastin wrote:
>> This is my first mailman implmentation.
>> System:  redhat-7.3
>> smtp:postfix-1.1.7-2
>> imapd:   courier-imap-1.6.2-1.7.3
>> pop3d:   none
>> webmail: squirrelmail-1.2.10
>> list manager:mailman-2.1
>> httpd:   apache-1.3.27-2
>> php: php-4.1.2-7.3.6
>> python:  python-1.5.2-38; python2-2.2.2-3.7.3
>> 
>> All users access mail via the squirrelmail interface.
>> 
>> I sent a test message to the list. The message got sent and delivered as 
>> expected. However, the test of the message is an attachment, it does not 
>> appear in the text area.
>> 
>> A look through the more recent months of the archives didn't show any 
>> similar problems.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> TIA
>> 
>> Keith Mastin
>> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q)

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>Below is one of my working ones (for pipermail).  It is very similar to
>yours, just without the quotation marks.
>
>HtH - Jon Carnes
>
>On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:53, Keith Mastin wrote:
>
>> 
>> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/"
>> 
>> 
>> Options FollowSymLinks
>> AllowOverride None
>> Order allow,deny
>> Allow from all
>> 
>> 
>
>Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
>
>Options +FollowSymlinks
>

Yeah, that didn't work. I'm leaning more toward it being a permissions 
problem. Here's a line from error_log:
[Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index 
forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/

... what rule would this be referring to?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q)

[Jon Carnes]

Below is one of my working ones (for pipermail).  It is very similar to
yours, just without the quotation marks.

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:53, Keith Mastin wrote:

> 
> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/"
> 
> 
> Options FollowSymLinks
> AllowOverride None
> Order allow,deny
> Allow from all
> 
> 

Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q)

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* Keith Mastin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/"

I don't know if this is even possiable.  But the only setup difference
between yours and mine is the quotes around the dir.

Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman2/archives/public/

Just a stab in the dark, and see if your web error_log gives you anymore
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Re: [Mailman-Users] create a new list (web interface) + qmailaliases

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How about using a small script that is kicked off every 5 minutes via a
cron job?

Something like this (that looks at the last time the ~mailman/lists
directory was modified)...

  LDT1=`ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/lists`
  LDT2=`cat /usr/local/mailman/checklist LDT 2>/dev/null`
  if [ "$LDT1" = "$LDT2" ]; then exit 0 ; fi
  # if the listing for the ~mailman/lists directory
  # hasn't changed then no lists have been created or deleted
insert your script commands here...
...

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> Hi all,
> I have Mailman 2.1 installed running with qmail, i have been using the 
> Mailman+qmail configuration for a while, but just now making the upgrade to 
> MM 2.1.
> I was very happy to see the "create a new mailing list" in the admin page. I 
> have it all working with virtual domains, and its great.
> I do have one question. Is there a way to use the create cgi to also kick 
> off creation of .qmail aliases for that list, maybe from create.py?  i have 
> a small shell script that creates the aliases, but don't know how to kick 
> off the script after the list has been created from the same process.
> Anyone done this ??
> ideas?
> thanks
> --rodrigo
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to deletemessages from private archives

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My concern is the size of the package.

-rw-rw-r--1 mailman2 mailman2  5466939 Dec 30 23:55 mailman-2.1.tgz

Thats a good chunk, and adding htdig (tarball for 3.1.6 is 2 meg) would up
the package size to roughly 7-8 meg.  Considering I'm just a lowly dial-up
56k constant connection server (theres no plans of broadband where I live,
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RE: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?

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I second the recommendation NOT to use Exchange as your mail transport agent.
 If you've got a DNS server (even your MS box, shiver me timbers) that's only
a couple milliseconds away, you're not going to see any noticeable performance
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Re: [Mailman-Users] text only in attachment -Noob.Q

[Jon Carnes]

Can you include a sample email to the list?
I'm curious if the problem is the Content Filter (look in the
web-admin).

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:22, Keith Mastin wrote:
> This is my first mailman implmentation.
> System:   redhat-7.3
> smtp: postfix-1.1.7-2
> imapd:courier-imap-1.6.2-1.7.3
> pop3d:none
> webmail:  squirrelmail-1.2.10
> list manager: mailman-2.1
> httpd:apache-1.3.27-2
> php:  php-4.1.2-7.3.6
> python:   python-1.5.2-38; python2-2.2.2-3.7.3
> 
> All users access mail via the squirrelmail interface.
> 
> I sent a test message to the list. The message got sent and delivered as 
> expected. However, the test of the message is an attachment, it does not 
> appear in the text area.
> 
> A look through the more recent months of the archives didn't show any 
> similar problems.
> 
> Any ideas?
> TIA
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages fromprivate archives

[Jon Carnes]

I agree that having Pipermail install "out of the box" with Mailman is a
definite plus.  Htdig is rapidly becoming a very popular add-on to those
dynamic Duo (helped along by the great work that Richard Barrett does in
keeping the patches up-to-date!).

Is there a reason you wouldn't want to simply include Htdig as part of
the "out of the box" install?

Are you thinking that we can port ht://dig over to Python and then
improve it performance? :-)

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 19:33, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> > "JP" == Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> JP> Actually my suggestion would be to remove Pipermail (and not
> JP> insert MHonarc, Hypermail, etc.)  MM doesn't include a search
> JP> engine, why a mail archive?  IMHO MM should focus on what it
> JP> already does very very well.
> 
> Pipermail isn't horrible any more, and I don't think it would be
> /that/ much work to implement a simple search engine.  Simplicity is
> the key here -- I'd love a basically functional search feature that
> works out of the box.  It needs to be modular so that more advanced
> sites can swap in a different search engine (e.g. htdig), just like
> they now can do with the archiver.
> 
> I don't think we buy much by /removing/ functionality.
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q)

[Keith Mastin]

Hello again.

Testing the mailman system, I also found that I cannot find the archives 
(400 Bad Request). The system is looking for
domain.tld/pipermail/members

Here is the relevnet section of the httpd.conf file:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/cgi-bin/"


AllowOverride None
Options None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all


Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/"


Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all


[root@mail mailman]# ll /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/
total 8
drwxrws---6 apache   mailman  4096 Jan 27 17:39 private
drwxrwsr-x2 apache   mailman  4096 Jan 27 17:39 public

Any ideas? 
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[Mailman-Users] create a new list (web interface) + qmail aliases

[Rodrigo Lagos]

Hi all,
I have Mailman 2.1 installed running with qmail, i have been using the 
Mailman+qmail configuration for a while, but just now making the upgrade to 
MM 2.1.
I was very happy to see the "create a new mailing list" in the admin page. I 
have it all working with virtual domains, and its great.
I do have one question. Is there a way to use the create cgi to also kick 
off creation of .qmail aliases for that list, maybe from create.py?  i have 
a small shell script that creates the aliases, but don't know how to kick 
off the script after the list has been created from the same process.
Anyone done this ??
ideas?
thanks
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[Mailman-Users] text only in attachment -Noob.Q

[Keith Mastin]

This is my first mailman implmentation.
System: redhat-7.3
smtp:   postfix-1.1.7-2
imapd:  courier-imap-1.6.2-1.7.3
pop3d:  none
webmail:squirrelmail-1.2.10
list manager:   mailman-2.1
httpd:  apache-1.3.27-2
php:php-4.1.2-7.3.6
python: python-1.5.2-38; python2-2.2.2-3.7.3

All users access mail via the squirrelmail interface.

I sent a test message to the list. The message got sent and delivered as 
expected. However, the test of the message is an attachment, it does not 
appear in the text area.

A look through the more recent months of the archives didn't show any 
similar problems.

Any ideas?
TIA

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RE: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "JP" == Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

JP> Actually my suggestion would be to remove Pipermail (and not
JP> insert MHonarc, Hypermail, etc.)  MM doesn't include a search
JP> engine, why a mail archive?  IMHO MM should focus on what it
JP> already does very very well.

Pipermail isn't horrible any more, and I don't think it would be
/that/ much work to implement a simple search engine.  Simplicity is
the key here -- I'd love a basically functional search feature that
works out of the box.  It needs to be modular so that more advanced
sites can swap in a different search engine (e.g. htdig), just like
they now can do with the archiver.

I don't think we buy much by /removing/ functionality.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] can't access private archives when changingdefault lang

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> "TA" == The Anarcat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

TA> Many thanks!

TA> That is great.. Pointers for a patch?

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/templates/fr/private.html.diff?r1=text&tr1=2.3&r2=text&tr2=2.2&diff_format=h

Cheers,
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RE: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives

[Jim Popovitch]

Actually my suggestion would be to remove Pipermail (and not insert MHonarc,
Hypermail, etc.)  MM doesn't include a search engine, why a mail archive?
IMHO MM should focus on what it already does very very well.

-Jim P.

> -Original Message-
> From: Barry A. Warsaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:36 PM
>
> > "JP" == Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> JP> I too use HTDig, but this doesn't really help with external
> JP> search engines or deep-linkers.  The best solution, is
> JP> MHonarc, but I keep holding out for Pipermail to catchup. ;)
>
> Wanna help? :)  I keep looking for motivated hackers to help work on
> Pipermail.
>
> -Barry
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Re: Using mailman without passwords WAS Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "MD" == Matthew Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MD> Now my 2 disclaimers.  1. Do with this information as you see
MD> fit, its not the recommended way to setup a list.  2. Take it
MD> for what its worth, it was free.

Actually, it's a fine way to run your lists, because your members
still have to perform the opt-in-with-confirmation step, but they
don't need to remember their passwords to either subscribe or
unsubscribe.  Yes, they'll need them to change their options, but most
users will rarely need to do that, and in 2.1, they can simply log
into their options page and get a password reminder when they need
it (you could disable montly passwords for the list).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Fiddling with pending messages

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> "MO" == Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MO> I just wasn't sure if the .db file wouldn't become corrupt
MO> after I modify/delete the .txt files. But it seems OK.

Yes, Mailman 2.1 will log a message about missing .txt files and then
just evict those entries from the .db file.  So it'll be robust
against doing things that way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop

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> "GH" == Gareth Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

GH> So is there anywhere I can add this then in mailman or change
GH> the X-Beenthere settings?

I still don't quite understand what you're trying to accomplish.  I
wouldn't recommend changing the X-BeenThere header -- this is an
internal header that Mailman uses to prevent loops.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] can't access private archives when changingdefault lang

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> "TA" == The Anarcat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

TA> That said, I think I found a bug. Recently, I changed the
TA> default language of two private lists to "français" (french)
TA> and suddenly, I couldn't login the private archives. And
TA> actually, the form in /mailman/private/inso-tech/ is
TA> completely unuseable.

This was caused by a bug in the French template private.html.  Fixed
in CVS.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] interface outside of the mailman directory

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Have you looked at using the built in scripts included in
~mailman/bin/..?  Even if you don't want to call them directly, you can
still use them as a template for CGI's that you want to build.

You can setup a bash shell that runs as user "mailman" when executed,
and then use that shell to execute any of the scripts via any method you
like.  I've used it to enable a lot of functionality via email but the
same thing works for CGI's.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

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> 
> I was wondering if you could help me solve a development problem.  I'm 
> trying to incorporate my Mailman lists into a dynamic website, and so I 
> want to be able to lay out the interface in my own special way, but 
> still have the pages call the info from Mailman.  I know I could 
> normally adjust the Mailman templates to get them to look the way I 
> want, but in this case that will not work.  Is there a way to interface 
> with mailman, cutting and pasting the source of its forms to other 
> directories on my web server?
> 
> Thanks,
> Richard
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[Mailman-Users] interface outside of the mailman directory

[Richard Plotkin]

Hi list,

I was wondering if you could help me solve a development problem.  I'm 
trying to incorporate my Mailman lists into a dynamic website, and so I 
want to be able to lay out the interface in my own special way, but 
still have the pages call the info from Mailman.  I know I could 
normally adjust the Mailman templates to get them to look the way I 
want, but in this case that will not work.  Is there a way to interface 
with mailman, cutting and pasting the source of its forms to other 
directories on my web server?

Thanks,
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RE: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "JP" == Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

JP> I too use HTDig, but this doesn't really help with external
JP> search engines or deep-linkers.  The best solution, is
JP> MHonarc, but I keep holding out for Pipermail to catchup. ;)

Wanna help? :)  I keep looking for motivated hackers to help work on
Pipermail.

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[Mailman-Users] more details on Mailman taking up most of my RAM (help still needed)

[NOW Website Coordinator]

Here are some more details:

I am not sending any mail out right now on this announce only list, unless 
it's still working on a message from Saturday night (not sure how to tell 
if it is).

Our traffic is very high, though, with lots of people subscribing or 
unsubscribing to the lists.  I'm using Mailman 2.1, Python 2.2.1 (#1, Sep 
28 2002, 10:00:33), SunOS 5.8, Postfix (a recent version)

I just disabled dns lookups on Postfix, restarted it, and restarted 
mailmanctl.  But now mailman is back to hogging all the memory already!

 22566 mailman4  580   43M   42M sleep0:19 20.26% python
 22572 mailman4   00   58M   57M run  0:21 19.08% python
 22570 mailman4   10   43M   42M run  0:09 14.36% python
 22567 mailman4  590   43M   42M sleep0:14  3.09% python
 22571 mailman1  580 2320K 1536K cpu  0:00  0.31% top
 22569 mailman4  590 6904K 5856K sleep0:00  0.02% python
 22565 mailman4  590 6864K 5816K sleep0:00  0.02% python
 22568 mailman4  590 6864K 5816K sleep0:00  0.02% python
 22564 mailman4  520 5816K 2552K sleep0:00  0.00% mailmanctl


It took it only about a minute to get that far.

Definitely can send mail from the machine, it's just crashing my web server 
when it runs out of memory.

Postfix logs don't show anything unusual.  Mailman log has this:
 [- Mailman Version: 2.1 -]
admin(21341): [- Traceback --]
admin(21341): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(21341):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
admin(21341): main()
admin(21341):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 98, 
in main
admin(21341): content = Pending.confirm(cookie, expunge=0)
admin(21341):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 109, in 
confirm
admin(21341): lock.unlock()
admin(21341):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 316, in 
unlock
admin(21341): raise NotLockedError
admin(21341): NotLockedError
admin(21341): [- Python Information -]


Thanks for your help!  This is really wreaking havoc.  And now it's hogging 
even more memory:


   PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE  SIZE   RES STATETIMECPU COMMAND
 22572 mailman4  580   64M   63M sleep1:09  3.83% python
 22570 mailman4  580   66M   65M sleep0:38  2.91% python
 22567 mailman4  580   64M   63M sleep0:44  1.20% python
 22672 mailman1  580 2288K 1528K cpu  0:00  0.18% top
 22468 mailman1  580 1472K 1096K sleep0:00  0.00% csh
 22566 mailman4  580   44M   41M sleep0:24  0.00% python
 22564 mailman3  520 5808K 2488K sleep0:00  0.00% mailmanctl
 22569 mailman4  590 6904K 5712K sleep0:00  0.00% python
 22568 mailman4  590 6864K 5656K sleep0:00  0.00% python
 22565 mailman4  590 6864K 5616K sleep0:00  0.00% python




Sarah Stapleton-Gray

Web Site Coordinator
National Organization for Women
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Re: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working

[Jon Carnes]

~mailman/bin/genaliases in mentioned in:
  NEWS
  UPGRADING
  README.POSTFIX

Sorry, it looks like the genaliases script is designed specifically to
be used with Postfix... Hmmm.  Seems like it could easily be made MTA
neutral, and still be able to link with Postfix.

Jon

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 10:08, John Swartzentruber wrote:
> On 27 Jan 2003 09:43:39 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> >What version of Mailman are you running?  If version 2.1 then you can
> >run ~mailman/bin/genaliases and that will create ~mailman/data/aliases
> >which contains all the aliases needed for your existing Mailman lists
> >(creation of new lists will also be automagically added).
> 
> I'm confused by this. When I run bin/genaliases, it shows all of the
> aliases (which I can redirect to a file), but it doesn't automatically
> create or update any files in /usr/local/mailman/data/
> 
> My system is working fine (I currently just added the aliases to
> sendmail's /etc/aliases file), but I'm wondering if something is wrong
> or if I am just misunderstanding something. I have RedHat 7.3,
> Sendmail, and Mailman 2.1 installed from source.
> 
> Also a previous message mentioned that this information was in the
> INSTALL file, but I didn't see anything there.
> 
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[Mailman-Users]

[Adam]

I've been trying to get through these problems on my own for a while - using the
searchable mailling list (thanks for that guys). 

However, I've still got problems. 

I'm using mandrake 9 with mailman installed from rpm. 

I seemed to have managed to get sendmail working (with appropriate aliases) but
it doesn't have NEWDB installed (I've config'ed the aliases file myself).

The first problem was my confirmation mails bouncing back to the user with 
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 78.  (Reconfigure to take 78?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

But I changed the gid of mailnull to 65534 and the bouncing stopped. 

However, now, I get on my mailman server, messages to postmaster: 

The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:02:06 GMT
from localhost
with id h0RL26TX025349

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(reason: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1))

   - Transcript of session follows -
... while talking to deepthought.34sp.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)
550 5.1.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown
<<< 503 RCPT first (#5.5.1)

Can anyone guide me through this? 

I'd appreciate some helpful advice here - thanks very much in advance. 

Adam


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Re: [Mailman-Users] patch written for 2.1 for post-only access.

[Jon Carnes]

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 14:43, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Okay.  I got it working...
> 
> (I have to attach it as a file since my kids just modified my system and
> disabled cut and paste... :-)
> 
> The "IsMember function was moved to the module MemberAdaptor and renamed
> "isMember".
> 
> The Moderate.py module is very well written and makes it quite easy to
> add checks for passing mail into a moderated list.
> 
> I've only done moderate checking on it, but it worked fine for my local
> testing.
> 
> Any feedback is welcome - Jon Carnes
> ===

Looks like the attachment didn't go through on the list, so here is the
patch (I fixed my cut/paste problem - so I'm still smarter than the
kids, but just barely!)
==

*** jonc.Moderate.pyMon Jan 27 10:23:03 2003
--- Moderate.py Mon Jan 27 13:19:33 2003
***
*** 25,28 
--- 25,30 
  from Mailman import Utils
  from Mailman import Message
+ from Mailman import MailList
+ from Mailman import MemberAdaptor
  from Mailman import Errors
  from Mailman.i18n import _
***
*** 45,48 
--- 47,59 

  ^L
+ def CheckPostOnly(sender):
+   try:
+   m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0)
+   return m.isMember(sender)
+   except Errors.MMListError:
+   return 0
+
+
+ ^L
  def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
  if msgdata.get('approved'):
***
*** 89,92 
--- 100,105 
  # From here on out, we're dealing with non-members.
  if matches_p(sender, mlist.accept_these_nonmembers):
+ return
+ if CheckPostOnly(sender):
  return
  if matches_p(sender, mlist.hold_these_nonmembers):




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RE: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?

[Angel Gabriel]

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* Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was
> thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange,
requires
> local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS
> Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right?

What kind of insane idea is that? Eliminate the middleman and send
directyl! Exchange is a piss-poor piece of junk. I mean that thing
can't even speak ESMTP properly and has not proper queue management 

Angel Says:
The reason I was going to do this, is because I don't really want to
have two DNS servers on the same subnet, and email being sent by a
machine with local DNS, is going to send faster that a machine that has
to wait for DNS queries to be answered.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?

[alex wetmore]

On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was
> thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange, requires
> local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS
> Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right?

I relay through a system running Exchange 2000.  It works fine.

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[Mailman-Users] Web list creation

[Tom Maddox]

So, according to this post
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg03976.html, Mailman
2.1 is supposed to support completely automated list creation through the
web, which I assume includes creating the aliases.  The problem is that
aliases don't get created.  I checked the perms on the aliases and
aliases.db files, and they're 664.  My MTA is sendmail, FWIW.

This is mainly an annoyance to my users, since I can easily create new
aliases with a "genaliases | grep  >> ~/aliases," but it would be
nice to have the web interface work.

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Need a patch written for 2.1 for post-onlyaccess.

[Jon Carnes]

Okay.  I got it working...

(I have to attach it as a file since my kids just modified my system and
disabled cut and paste... :-)

The "IsMember function was moved to the module MemberAdaptor and renamed
"isMember".

The Moderate.py module is very well written and makes it quite easy to
add checks for passing mail into a moderated list.

I've only done moderate checking on it, but it worked fine for my local
testing.

Any feedback is welcome - Jon Carnes
===
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 11:52, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Hmmm, MailList.py has changed too.  I need to find (or rewrite) a new
> function for "IsMember".  Shouldn't be too hard, but I've got to do some
> actual work for awhile...  I'll get back to it tonight.
> 
> On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 10:29, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > The functionality was moved from the Hold.py module over to the
> > Moderate.py module.  From there it is almost identical.
> > 
> > I applied the old patch by hand to that module and I'm testing it now.
> > 
> > Jon Carnes
> > 
> > > +m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0)
> > > + return m.IsMember (sender)
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Angel Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was
> thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange, requires
> local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS
> Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right?

What kind of insane idea is that? Eliminate the middleman and send
directyl! Exchange is a piss-poor piece of junk. I mean that thing
can't even speak ESMTP properly and has not proper queue management.

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[Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?

[Angel Gabriel]

Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was
thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange, requires
local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS
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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1/Gentoo issue?

[Matthew Davis]

* Kevin Carpenter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Whats not happening is any mail list distributions.
> 
> I've been up ALL weekend with this SQL worm thing, am rather tired, and would
> really like to get this working.  Is there is anything obvious I'm missing?

First question would be is your mailmanctl running?

# /dirtomailman2/bin/mailmanctl start

If so, what do your logs tell you?

logs/error
logs/qrunner

Thoes are good ones to start with.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Need a patch written for 2.1 for post-onlyaccess.

[Jon Carnes]

Hmmm, MailList.py has changed too.  I need to find (or rewrite) a new
function for "IsMember".  Shouldn't be too hard, but I've got to do some
actual work for awhile...  I'll get back to it tonight.

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 10:29, Jon Carnes wrote:
> The functionality was moved from the Hold.py module over to the
> Moderate.py module.  From there it is almost identical.
> 
> I applied the old patch by hand to that module and I'm testing it now.
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
> > +m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0)
> > +   return m.IsMember (sender)



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[Mailman-Users] 2.1/Gentoo issue?

[Kevin Carpenter]

Hi all -

Yesterday I bravely went someplace I been hesitant to go:  I converted my
last system over to Gentoo 1.4.  This system handles all the e-mail for my
domain, DNS services, Web services, mailman, etc.  It was previously a 
RedHat 7.1 environment using Mailman 2.0.5 with Sendmail.

Now its Gentoo 1.4, Mainman 2.1, and Postfix based.  Well, at least that is
its current state.

Postfix is receiving and sending e-mail.  Mailman is accepting messages from
postfix.  I can use the /bin utilities to see all my list and their membership.

Whats not happening is any mail list distributions.

I've been up ALL weekend with this SQL worm thing, am rather tired, and would
really like to get this working.  Is there is anything obvious I'm missing?

Thanks for you kindness.

Kevin C.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Need a patch written for 2.1 for post-onlyaccess.

[Jon Carnes]

The functionality was moved from the Hold.py module over to the
Moderate.py module.  From there it is almost identical.

I applied the old patch by hand to that module and I'm testing it now.

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 09:27, Marc Perkel wrote:
> I'm not a Python programmer but I need a patch written to add a feature that 
> someone had written a patch for in version 2.0.
> 
> The patch called a "post-only" patch allowed me to create a list called 
> "post-only" and members of this list were allowed to post to all other lists.
> 
> I am the systems administration for the Electronic Frontier Foundation 
> (http://www.eff.org). We are currently running 2.0 with this patch. The reason 
> we need it is because we are running about 65 internal lists and several of our 
> members have multiple email addresses they post from. The burden of adding 
> several hundred alieases and maintaining them across this many lists would be 
> too much to deal with. I have upgraded to 2.1 on my own personal server and I 
> feel that it would greatly benefit EFF to upgrade to 2.1. But - I can not do it 
> until I have this patch.
> 
> I am therefore asking that someone out there write this patch. If you write it - 
> I will publicly thank you in our newsletter that goes out to about 30,000 of our 
> members. I offer 15 minutes of fame, and - you'll be helping us get important 
> work done. EFF relies heavilly on Mailman.
> 
> Below is the code for the current patch for 2.0. It looks to me that doing this 
> for 2.1 would be trivial for someone who knew what they were doing. I would 
> REALLY appreciate it if someone were to volunteer to do this. Alternatively - I 
> would be willing to pay someone out of my own pocket - and donate the code back 
> to the public - if I can't find someone to do it for free.
> 
> Thanks in Advance
> 
> Marc Perkel
> /root
> EFF
> 
> Here's the current 2.0 patch
> 
> --- mailman-2.0beta5/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py.postonlyTue Aug  1 19:02:28 
>2000
> +++ mailman-2.0beta5/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py Sat Aug  5 18:31:50 2000
> @@ -43,6 +43,8 @@
>   from Mailman import Message
>   from Mailman import mm_cfg
>   from Mailman import Utils
> +from Mailman import MailList
> +from Mailman import Errors
>   from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
> 
> 
> @@ -104,6 +106,13 @@
> 
> 
> 
> +def CheckPostOnly (sender):
> +try:
> +m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0)
> + return m.IsMember (sender)
> +except Errors.MMListError:
> +return 0
> +
>   def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
>   if msgdata.get('approved'):
>   return
> @@ -141,7 +150,8 @@
>   if mlist.member_posting_only:
>   posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters))
>   if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \
> -   not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters):
> +   not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters) and \
> +not CheckPostOnly(sender):
>   # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of
>   # explicitly approved posters
>   hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost)
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working

[John Swartzentruber]

On 27 Jan 2003 09:43:39 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

>What version of Mailman are you running?  If version 2.1 then you can
>run ~mailman/bin/genaliases and that will create ~mailman/data/aliases
>which contains all the aliases needed for your existing Mailman lists
>(creation of new lists will also be automagically added).

I'm confused by this. When I run bin/genaliases, it shows all of the
aliases (which I can redirect to a file), but it doesn't automatically
create or update any files in /usr/local/mailman/data/

My system is working fine (I currently just added the aliases to
sendmail's /etc/aliases file), but I'm wondering if something is wrong
or if I am just misunderstanding something. I have RedHat 7.3,
Sendmail, and Mailman 2.1 installed from source.

Also a previous message mentioned that this information was in the
INSTALL file, but I didn't see anything there.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working

[Jon Carnes]

I can't help you with the Exim integration but if you simply need to get
things up and running then you might try simply creating the aliases and
putting them someplace where Exim will see than as system aliases.

What version of Mailman are you running?  If version 2.1 then you can
run ~mailman/bin/genaliases and that will create ~mailman/data/aliases
which contains all the aliases needed for your existing Mailman lists
(creation of new lists will also be automagically added).

You can setup Exim to look in that file for some of its aliases.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 01:32, Rob Shugg wrote:
> hey,
> I am my wits end here. I have followed the faq to the letter on my debian 
> woody box. 
> 
> this is the main problem:
> 
> gymaware:~# exim -bt gymaware-users
> user "gymaware-users" for file existence test not found
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is undeliverable:
>   unknown local-part "gymaware-users" in domain "gymaware.com"
> gymaware:~#
> 
> the relevant exim config bits are below, I'm not sure if its a debian thing 
> but i don't have the MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck instead there 
> is a file called ../../../config.db. is this relavent?
> I tried changing MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck to 
> MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.db but that did nothing.
> 
> What have i missed?
> 
> rob
> 
> MAILMAN_HOME=/var/lib/mailman
> MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
> .
> .
> .
> mailman_transport:
>driver = pipe
>command = MAILMAN_WRAP \
>'${if def:local_part_suffix \
>  {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \
>  {post}}' \
>   $local_part
>current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>user = list<--- mailman running as user "list"
>group = list
> .
> .
> .
> mailman_director:
>driver = smartuser
>require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
>suffix_optional
>suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
>  -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
>  -owner : -request : -admin
> transport = mailman_transport
> 
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: installation and use mailman

[Jon Carnes]

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 09:24, Samuel Tardieu wrote:
> > "b" == b vergondy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> b> I come to install mailman and I does not understand. I can register
> b> without problem but when I wants to send a mall to the mailling
> b> list, this one arrives in limps of the list but is not to diffuse
> b> with the inscripts, who know this problem ?
> 
> What does your mail server log contain?
> 
>   Sam
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... and what version of Mailman are you using?  If you are using version
2.0.x then read the FAQ #3.14

Jon Carnes


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Re: [Mailman-Users] admin bounce notification

[Jon Carnes]

In v2.1.0 final you would go to the Web-admin and then to Bounce
options.  By default all the bounces are sent to the Admins, you should
feel free to just say no to bounces.

 On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 02:02, Thomas Spellman wrote:
> Is there some way to turn on bounce notification to the admin in version 
> 2.1b4?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Thomas
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[Mailman-Users] Need a patch written for 2.1 for post-only access.

[Marc Perkel]

I'm not a Python programmer but I need a patch written to add a feature that 
someone had written a patch for in version 2.0.

The patch called a "post-only" patch allowed me to create a list called 
"post-only" and members of this list were allowed to post to all other lists.

I am the systems administration for the Electronic Frontier Foundation 
(http://www.eff.org). We are currently running 2.0 with this patch. The reason 
we need it is because we are running about 65 internal lists and several of our 
members have multiple email addresses they post from. The burden of adding 
several hundred alieases and maintaining them across this many lists would be 
too much to deal with. I have upgraded to 2.1 on my own personal server and I 
feel that it would greatly benefit EFF to upgrade to 2.1. But - I can not do it 
until I have this patch.

I am therefore asking that someone out there write this patch. If you write it - 
I will publicly thank you in our newsletter that goes out to about 30,000 of our 
members. I offer 15 minutes of fame, and - you'll be helping us get important 
work done. EFF relies heavilly on Mailman.

Below is the code for the current patch for 2.0. It looks to me that doing this 
for 2.1 would be trivial for someone who knew what they were doing. I would 
REALLY appreciate it if someone were to volunteer to do this. Alternatively - I 
would be willing to pay someone out of my own pocket - and donate the code back 
to the public - if I can't find someone to do it for free.

Thanks in Advance

Marc Perkel
/root
EFF

Here's the current 2.0 patch

--- mailman-2.0beta5/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py.postonly	Tue Aug  1 19:02:28 2000
+++ mailman-2.0beta5/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py	Sat Aug  5 18:31:50 2000
@@ -43,6 +43,8 @@
 from Mailman import Message
 from Mailman import mm_cfg
 from Mailman import Utils
+from Mailman import MailList
+from Mailman import Errors
 from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog


@@ -104,6 +106,13 @@



+def CheckPostOnly (sender):
+try:
+m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0)
+	return m.IsMember (sender)
+except Errors.MMListError:
+return 0
+
 def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
 if msgdata.get('approved'):
 return
@@ -141,7 +150,8 @@
 if mlist.member_posting_only:
 posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters))
 if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \
-   not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters):
+   not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters) and \
+	   not CheckPostOnly(sender):
 # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of
 # explicitly approved posters
 hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost)



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[Mailman-Users] Re: installation and use mailman

[Samuel Tardieu]

> "b" == b vergondy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

b> I come to install mailman and I does not understand. I can register
b> without problem but when I wants to send a mall to the mailling
b> list, this one arrives in limps of the list but is not to diffuse
b> with the inscripts, who know this problem ?

What does your mail server log contain?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1

[John DeCarlo]

David,

This will get your cron jobs reset.

Remember, they are running as user 'mailman'.

as root or mailman user, run:

crontab -u mailman -r
crontab -u mailman mailman_dir/cron/crontab.in

The first command will remove all the mailman cron jobs.
The second will put in just the 2.1 cron jobs.

Note that your "mailman_dir" may be /var/local/mailman (or something 
else), instead of the default source install of /usr/local/mailman.

Parker, David K wrote:
I'm getting errors generated after upgrading from 2.0x to 2.1. I think its
related to Cfron jobs being scheduled to run. Both installs of Mailman were
done via RPM. I'm guessing that the latest RPM didn't take care of the Cron
jobs? Any hints on cleaning this up? I've been through the UPGRADE doc.


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[Mailman-Users] installation and use mailman

[b.vergondy]

Hello world !!!

I am french
my mail server is postfix...

I come to install mailman and I does not
understand. I can register without problem but when I
wants to send a mall to the mailling list, this one arrives in limps
of the list but is not to diffuse with the inscripts, who know this problem ?

thank you for your assistance.


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