Re: [Mailman-Users] [Bug] Cookie from older version

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
31-Jan-03 at 00:40, Barry A. Warsaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 
  WY == Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 WY If you have an old cookie from Mailman 2.0.x, you'll have to
 WY re-login for every page until you manually clear the cookie
 WY from your browser (after upgrading to 2.1).
 
 WY Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some
 WY browsers, it's not simple to remove an individual cookie.
 
 This isn't a browser bug, it's a misfeature of Python's Cookie.py
 module, which Mailman uses.  There /will/ be a fix in Mailman 2.1.1
 but I haven't worked the patch out yet.

Kinda tough if you don't have the mailman version in the cookie. A good
reason to put it in there, from now on, if it isn't there.

Any other parameter in the cookie which has changed could be detected by
the new version and force an expiration of the cookie immediately so
that the problem will go away.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Bug] Cookie from older version

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
30-Jan-03 at 18:23, Will Yardley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:14:05AM +, Simon White wrote:
  29-Jan-03 at 13:37, Will Yardley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
   Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some browsers, it's not
   simple to remove an individual cookie.

Terribly sorry. For simple I read possible. You are right. It's
rarely simple to remove a cookie.

 There are people other than geeks who run, admin, or moderate lists
 using Mailman, y'know...

Sorry again. I'm still a newbie to this list, I haven't got the right
feel for it yet.

p.s. Proud to be a geek. Shame some people's definition of geek is
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[Mailman-Users] FAQ entry: Who should deal with DNS errors?

2003-01-31 Thread Samuel Tardieu
I was going to add this FAQ entry, but I realize that I don't have a
password to do that and I have to leave for a meeting right now.

If someone wants to add this, feel free to do it. I just discovered
this issue this morning, when I noticed that some of my lists took a
long time to deliver mail.

  Sam

PS/ feel free to reformat, rewrite, delete, ...  :)
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4.20 Who should deal with DNS errors?

Sometimes, Mailman tries to send mail to domains which exist but do
not have a MX (mail exchanger) or an A (address) record. This may
happen for example when a spam comes from a newly reserved domain, who
has not been setup to receive mail.

Most MTA are configured to reject mail for such a domain with a
temporary failure exit code (such as 450), because the absence of
those records may be caused by a transient network outage. If your
local MTA has been configured this way, it will reject mail from
Mailman with this temporary failure exit code, and Mailman will try to
resent the mail every minute. Considering that the DNS lookup may
easily take up to 30 seconds in case of a network problem, this may
slow down Mailman mail delivery by a huge factor.

One solution is to let your MTA deal with this situation instead of
Mailman. Configure your MTA so that it always accepts mail coming from
Mailman. In Postfix for example, this is done by using a
client_access restriction (allowing mail from localhost if Mailman
is running on the same machine as Postfix) before the
reject_unknown_recipient_domain restriction.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest message header filtering

2003-01-31 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Hi,

I am Cc-ing this reply to the list.
You can always change your preferred charset by adding following
lines in your mm_cfg.py.

LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = (_('English (USA)'), 'iso-8859-1')

This is useful if your list's main language is English but
majority of users are from Latin-1 countries. Plain text
digest will go out with latin characters un-replaced, I believe.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I just read your reply to a question on the mail-users list concerning the 
extra headers.
What updates/patches are available in the CVS directory ? I quickly had a look 
but was unable to find much and even less that I understood.
But ok, I will also upgrade to the latest CVS on a test machine first.

Since your name pops up several times on the list I am contacting you directly 
for a question of mine that remained unanswered.
How did you tackle the character-encoding problem of us-ascii for digests ?
Where do I have to make changes ?

For your information I run MM2.1 + qmail + demime. 
I know mails using iso-8859-1 pass demime with flying colours, but once they 
end up in a digest (which is us-ascii :-( ) all non-us-ascii characters 
get transformed.


kind regards,

Kenneth Bruyninckx.






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[Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sentto the same domain

2003-01-31 Thread Gareth Hopkins
Howdie,

Is there a way to get mailman to deliver messages to the same
domain in one smtp connection.

Example

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] will all be delivered in the same smtp connection.

At the moment it is connecting, delivering to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then
disconnecting. Then connects, delivers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and disconnects and
so on and so on.

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[Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman 2.1

2003-01-31 Thread Albert E. Whale, CISSP
I recently re-installed my Linux Mandrake 8.2 server, I had located some
data corruption in the OS Binaries.  Anyway, I've been using Mailman for
quite awhile, the server has been running LM 8.1 and was upgraded to
8.2.  Mailman has received several upgrades while in place on the system.

I'm explaining all of this because even though there appears to be no
errors in the configuration or binaries, there is also no errors coming
through the Mailman tools.

I am using Sendmail-8.12.6, and have elected to use the traditional
alias list which includes the /etc/mail/mailman.aliases file.  I have
the following Python RPMs (these are Mandrake centric RPMs):

libpython2.2-2.2-9.1mdk
libpython2.2-devel-2.2-9.1mdk
postgresql-python-7.2-12mdk
python-2.2-9.1mdk
python-base-2.2-9.1mdk
python-docs-2.2-9.1mdk
pythonlib-1.28-1mdk
python-numeric-20.3-2mdk

I cannot locate the python-devel-2.x rpm indicated in the READMEs, and 
was hoping that this was my problem.

I have run the check_perms, check_db, and don't know where the potential 
problem may reside, as there are no more error messages left to resolve.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connectionfor messages sent to the same domain

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
31-Jan-03 at 14:39, Gareth Hopkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
   Is there a way to get mailman to deliver messages to the same
 domain in one smtp connection.
 
   Example
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] will all be delivered in the same smtp connection.
 
   At the moment it is connecting, delivering to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then
 disconnecting. Then connects, delivers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and disconnects and
 so on and so on.

Use an MTA that supports connection pooling or whatever it is called,
instead of mailman?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Bug] Cookie from older version

2003-01-31 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

 SW == Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

SW Kinda tough if you don't have the mailman version in the
SW cookie. A good reason to put it in there, from now on, if it
SW isn't there.

SW Any other parameter in the cookie which has changed could be
SW detected by the new version and force an expiration of the
SW cookie immediately so that the problem will go away.

That's not really the problem.  The issue is that there are Apache
rewrite rules you can use to map most of your MM2.0 lists and MM2.1
lists to the same url space.  That means your browser will return both
cookies in the http request because it doesn't know that they're
really separate urls.  You don't want to expire your MM2.0 cookies
since you may still have to admin that older list.  You just don't
want those other cookies to cause a false error in the cookie parsing
code.

Try the patch; I'm pretty confident it'll work.
-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ entry: Who should deal with DNS errors?

2003-01-31 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

 ST == Samuel Tardieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ST I was going to add this FAQ entry, but I realize that I don't
ST have a password to do that and I have to leave for a meeting
ST right now.

Folks, remember that the FAQwiz is on the honor system.  Look at the
front page of the FAQwiz, down at the bottom of the page.  The
password is right there in plain text. :)

-Barry

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman, Gmane, non-text attachements removed?

2003-01-31 Thread David Gibbs
Folks:

I've got a problem with some of my subscribers that are using the gmane.org
news server to read mailing lists.  I run my lists with Mailman 2.1.

These subscribers (myself included) post messages to the list via the news
server, and the messages go out to the regular subscribers, and gmane.org,
without a problem ... however, when the message is included in a digest, it
just shows up as --- non-text attachment removed --- (or something to that
effect).

I do have Mailman 2.1's content filtering enabled so that only text portions
of a message are sent through (and HTML is *SUPPOSED* to be converted to
text, but that's another issue).

I have Mailman's pass_mime_types set to:
multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
multipart/related
text/plain
text/html

Again, the non-text attachments removed message is only showing up in the
digests.

Any idea what is going on?

Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] Bulk subscribe in digest mode?

2003-01-31 Thread Ignacio Valdes
Is there a way to mass subscribe users with digest mode as the default? 
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[Mailman-Users] All addresses are being bounced...

2003-01-31 Thread Brian Barbour
I am using Mailman 2.0.7 and when I send a message to any of my list it
will bounce back on all receipients.  The email server is working
perfectly, but for some reason when Mailman sends the message the log
shows that all recpients bounce.

Any help

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[Mailman-Users] unsusbcribe

2003-01-31 Thread Antonio MATTA


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bulk subscribe in digest mode?

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
31-Jan-03 at 08:25, Ignacio Valdes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 Is there a way to mass subscribe users with digest mode as the default? 
 Thanks,

Use the add_members script

--digest-members-file=file
-d=file
 these people become digest members.

The file is a plain text file with one email address per line.

Otherwise, make digest the default, mass subscribe with the web tool,
then change the default (if necessary) back to normal mode.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribió:
 Forgive my lack of exact language.  To be more precise, you can turn on
 personalization for a list using the Web-Admin. Once you do that certain
 other features become available and you can then edit the Footer (using the
 Web-Admin) and put in variables that will be recognized and replaced by
 Mailman with things like the persons email address, the list name, the admin
 address, etc.  There is no need to know anything except the names of the
 variables to use in the footer.

Sorry to be insistant, but this is not what I need. I don't need a different
footer for each subscriber. I need a different footer for each post, but
the same to all subscribers.

I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on,
but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external
commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example.

Thanks again!

Fernando P. Schapachnik
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RE: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Bobby and Denise
Forgive me for the simplicity of this suggestion, but if you want to include
the same footer in a given post to all subscribers, couldn't you simply
include the footer at the bottom of your post content?

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your needs.

--Bobby


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Behalf Of Fernando Schapachnik
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:46 AM
To: Jon Carnes
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] footer


En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribió:
 Forgive my lack of exact language.  To be more precise, you can turn on
 personalization for a list using the Web-Admin. Once you do that certain
 other features become available and you can then edit the Footer (using
the
 Web-Admin) and put in variables that will be recognized and replaced by
 Mailman with things like the persons email address, the list name, the
admin
 address, etc.  There is no need to know anything except the names of the
 variables to use in the footer.

Sorry to be insistant, but this is not what I need. I don't need a different
footer for each subscriber. I need a different footer for each post, but
the same to all subscribers.

I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization
on,
but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an
external
commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for
example.

Thanks again!

Fernando P. Schapachnik
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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
31-Jan-03 at 12:45, Fernando Schapachnik ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribió:
  Forgive my lack of exact language.  To be more precise, you can turn on
  personalization for a list using the Web-Admin. Once you do that certain
  other features become available and you can then edit the Footer (using the
  Web-Admin) and put in variables that will be recognized and replaced by
  Mailman with things like the persons email address, the list name, the admin
  address, etc.  There is no need to know anything except the names of the
  variables to use in the footer.
 
 Sorry to be insistant, but this is not what I need. I don't need a different
 footer for each subscriber. I need a different footer for each post, but
 the same to all subscribers.
 
 I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on,
 but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external
 commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example.

Put a wrapper around the aliases, for example:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]|/usr/bin/mywrapper|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post 
list-name

Then the script mywrapper could be like this:

#!/bin/bash
while read line
do
echo $line
done

fortune=`/usr/games/fortune`

echo -- 
echo $fortune

However, I'm not sure that double pipes are allowed in sendmail or
Postfix. This is just a quick idea. Maybe you can pipe the output from
mywrapper directly to the mailman post command, like this...

Aliases file:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]|/usr/bin/mywrapper

--- START SCRIPT ---
#!/bin/bash
# Simple filter to add footer to email read from stdin

# Define a temporary filename
TMPFILE=msgfile

# Delete the temporary file if it already exists
if [ -f $TMPFILE ]; then
rm $TMPFILE
fi

# read from STDIN line by line, outputting to temp file
while read line
do
echo $line  $TMPFILE
done

# Now get the output from Fortune ;-)
fortune=`/usr/games/fortune`

# Add RFC footer/signature delimiter
echo --   $TMPFILE

# Now add the fortune we got above
echo $fortune  $TMPFILE

# Now use cat to redirect the output of $TMPFILE to mailman
/bin/cat $TMPFILE | /home/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name

--- END SCRIPT ---

Notes:

- Please let me know if this was useful to anyone.
- This will break posts with attachments, it is ONLY good for plaintext
  posts. If you want to get cleverer with files with attachments your
  script will have to be MIME aware.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, Bobby and Denise escribió:
 Forgive me for the simplicity of this suggestion, but if you want to include
 the same footer in a given post to all subscribers, couldn't you simply
 include the footer at the bottom of your post content?
 
 Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your needs.

Is the same for all, but varies in each post.

Regards.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, Simon White escribió:
  I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on,
  but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external
  commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example.
 
 Put a wrapper around the aliases, for example:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  |/usr/bin/mywrapper|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post 
list-name
 
 Then the script mywrapper could be like this:
 
 #!/bin/bash
 while read line
 do
 echo $line
 done
 
 fortune=`/usr/games/fortune`
 
 echo -- 
 echo $fortune

Thanks for your idea an script. I've allready thought of that, but, as you mentioned,
it is only good for plain text post, but breaks MIME ones, so it is not good enough.

Thanks anyway!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connectionfor messages sent to the same domain

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
31-Jan-03 at 18:21, Gareth Hopkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Simon White wrote:
 
 SW31-Jan-03 at 14:39, Gareth Hopkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 SW  Is there a way to get mailman to deliver messages to the same
 SW domain in one smtp connection.
 SW
 SW  Example
 SW
 SW  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 SW  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 SW  [EMAIL PROTECTED] will all be delivered in the same smtp connection.
 SW
 SW  At the moment it is connecting, delivering to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then
 SW disconnecting. Then connects, delivers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and disconnects and
 SW so on and so on.
 SW
 SWUse an MTA that supports connection pooling or whatever it is called,
 SWinstead of mailman?
 
   I am using postfix but it looks like when the messages are sent
 mailman sends out list-bounces email to each address. This causes a
 single connection to be made to the same host.

You have a point. Mailman is injecting to the MTA so if it does
connect/disconnect etc then this will affect even Postfix. So, there
does need to be a way to have Mailman open a single connection to the
server for each domain, and then do RCPT TO: several times.

I *thought* that was what it did anyway... can anyone else prove me
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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Tom Neff
If you have the ability to patch your Mailman installation, you could add a 
new variable name (like mlist.fortune) to the ALLOWEDS array in 
Mailman/Gui/Digest.py and then use the 'withlist' command to set this 
variable to a new value every so often, and include it in the msg_footer 
field in your admin interface.  Or you could do a more direct  brutal 
patch to search  replace a magic string of your choosing (__FORTUNE__ etc) 
with the output of a random fortune command, right in NonDigest.py .  I 
don't know of any way to do what you want without patching Mailman.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
31-Jan-03 at 13:45, Fernando Schapachnik ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 En un mensaje anterior, Simon White escribió:
   I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on,
   but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external
   commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example.
  
  Put a wrapper around the aliases, for example:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]|/usr/bin/mywrapper|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post 
list-name
  
  Then the script mywrapper could be like this:
  
  #!/bin/bash
  while read line
  do
  echo $line
  done
  
  fortune=`/usr/games/fortune`
  
  echo -- 
  echo $fortune
 
 Thanks for your idea an script. I've allready thought of that, but, as you mentioned,
 it is only good for plain text post, but breaks MIME ones, so it is not good enough.

Well Mailman itself is MIME aware in its newest version, if i have
understood correctly, so maybe you could hack it to call an external
script at some point.

Clearly this should not be available as a regular variable or something
because the security implications of letting mailman call executables on
your mailing list server are grave.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Fernando Schapachnik
En un mensaje anterior, Tom Neff escribió:
 If you have the ability to patch your Mailman installation, you could add a 
 new variable name (like mlist.fortune) to the ALLOWEDS array in 
 Mailman/Gui/Digest.py and then use the 'withlist' command to set this 
 variable to a new value every so often, and include it in the msg_footer 
 field in your admin interface.  Or you could do a more direct  brutal 

This is good enough for me. I will look into it. Also, I can call the
set-footer program from aliases, so it is fired everytime somebody mails
the list!

If I come up with something tidy, I like to contrib it back. What is the
standard way to do that?

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman 2.1] Is it possible to pre-approve amessage?

2003-01-31 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:46:24 +0100, Marc Haber
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a possibility to allow Mailman 2.1 to immedately forward a
message from a moderator to the list if and only if the correct
moderator password is given in the message? If the message doesn't
have an Approved: listpassword header or first line, it should be
held for moderation just as any other message coming in to the list
address.

This is exactly how Mailman behaves. If one doesn't use the Mailman
site admin password, but the list admin or the list moderator
password. This was my fault, and thanks to a lot of people pointing
that out to me in private e-mail.

Greetings
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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

 TN == Tom Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

TN I don't know of any way to do what you want without patching
TN Mailman.

You're right that there currently is no way to do this.  The security
implications would have to be worked out, but it might be an
interesting feature -- feel free to submit a feature request.

Probably, you want to allow site admins to add new substitution
variables for headers and footers, and then allow your list admins to
use those additional variables.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connectionfor messages sent to the same domain

2003-01-31 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

 SW == Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

SW You have a point. Mailman is injecting to the MTA so if it
SW does connect/disconnect etc then this will affect even
SW Postfix. So, there does need to be a way to have Mailman open
SW a single connection to the server for each domain, and then do
SW RCPT TO: several times.

SW I *thought* that was what it did anyway... can anyone else
SW prove me wrong / right?

The chunking algorithm for sending messages to the mta is defined by
variables such as SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS.

The latter specifies the maximum size of the RCPT TO chunks in each
handoff to the mta.  Set it to a negative number to not chunk at all.
When chunking, Mailman first sorts by these tlds: .com, .net, .org,
.edu, .us, .ca.  Everything else goes into a separate bucket.  Yeah,
this is pretty North America-centric :/.  Note that Mailman does not
chunk based on MX or on 2nd level domain names.

SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION determines how many chunks it sends
down the same socket connection to the mta.  Again, a negative number
means blast all the chunks down the same connection.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

 FS == Fernando Schapachnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

FS If I come up with something tidy, I like to contrib it
FS back. What is the standard way to do that?

Use the SourceForge patch manager:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103atid=300103

and if you want, add it to the Mailman wiki:

http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/UnofficialMailman21Patches

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[Mailman-Users] Cannot get rid of default footers

2003-01-31 Thread mailman
I've read several of the posts about changing the footers.  I've made changes 
to the footer in the non-digest and digest options, but they do not get 
applied.  I've also emabled personalization, but did not see any other 
options.  Is there somewhere else I should look?

Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2nd request: migrating a list from 1.1 to 2.1hosts?

2003-01-31 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

Let me start off by saying that I have never personally done an
upgrade from 1.1 straight to 2.1, so that all this as my best guess,
not as gospel.

It may in fact, be better to upgrade from 1.1 to 2.0(.13) and then
from there to 2.1.  That's more work of course, and it may be
unnecessary work.

 TN == Tom Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

TN  A: Clone the MM1.1 directory somewhere (on either the
TN original or new host) and then upgrade that clone to 2.1.
TN Copy the resulting config into the real 2.1 tree as a new
TN list.  (I should probably pre-create the migrated lists on the
TN 2.1 host first, so I can do selective file overwrites without
TN missing some of the structure.  The upgraded clone directory
TN can be deleted afterwards.

I would do something more like A, although I wouldn't pre-create the
lists.  Simply copy the config to a test area, do an upgrade, then run
something like bin/list_lists to touch all the lists and get them
upgraded.  From there it should be an easy process to move the lists
to your production 2.1 site (see below).

TN I hope that the developer(s) understand that with the
TN continued spread of Mailman, situations were listowners need
TN to *migrate*, rather than upgrading in place, will be more
TN common.  It would be great to have some kind of robust export
TN capability that was more or less version independent.

This totally doable, as covered in the UPGRADING INDIVIDUAL LISTS
section in the UPGRADING file.  It's actually fairly simple if you
discount the mta and Apache cruft.

HTH,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connectionfor messages sent to the same domain

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
31-Jan-03 at 13:00, Barry A. Warsaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 The chunking algorithm for sending messages to the mta is defined by
 variables such as SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and
 SMTP_MAX_RCPTS.
 
 The latter specifies the maximum size of the RCPT TO chunks in each
 handoff to the mta.  Set it to a negative number to not chunk at all.
 When chunking, Mailman first sorts by these tlds: .com, .net, .org,
 .edu, .us, .ca.  Everything else goes into a separate bucket.  Yeah,
 this is pretty North America-centric :/.  Note that Mailman does not
 chunk based on MX or on 2nd level domain names.

Chunking like this means that you're actually sending RCPT TO: based on
TLD, and then only US TLDs, right? So SMTP_MAX_RCPTS set to 50 could
mean several different second level domains in the same chunk, but for
every TLD outside the US there will be separate sessions for each mail
sent?

How about chunking something like this pseudo-code:-

split tlds into an array
for each tld in array
do
sort second_level_domains into unique sets
if unique set_length = 1 combine with previous 
until set_length = SMTP_MAX_RCPTS
end if
done

Not exactly easy in real code, but if what you say about the algorithm
is true, then I could seriously improve performance for my lists by
doing this. Right now, my MTA takes over 3 hours to deliver the bulk of
my 12000 subscriber list (not including bounces and poor receiving
MX hosts).

Where is this done (which file) - I could have a stab at it.

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[Mailman-Users] HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL

2003-01-31 Thread Marc Perkel
In Mailman 2.0 there was a setting for the default URL. I can't seem to 
find it in 2.1.

I need to change the default URL for all my lists. Any easy way to do this?


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[Mailman-Users] Where is HandlerAPI?

2003-01-31 Thread Albert E. Whale, CISSP
I am having problems getting Mailman 2.1 installed on LM 8.2 using the 
Stock Python distributions.  Here is the Error I am encountering:

/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /home/mailman/cron/qrunner, line 89, in ?
  from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
File /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, line 26, in ?
  from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO

Does this follow with the missing Python 2.2 Development RPM (Note that 
LM 8.2 does not have a Python-development rpm).

Do these errors shed any additional light on the matter?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] All addresses are being bounced...

2003-01-31 Thread Matthew Davis
* Brian Barbour ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 I am using Mailman 2.0.7 and when I send a message to any of my list it
 will bounce back on all receipients.  The email server is working
 perfectly, but for some reason when Mailman sends the message the log
 shows that all recpients bounce.

A little bit more information would be appreciated.

What is in the bounce message?
Does the _bounce message_ get delivered to all the users?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Where is HandlerAPI?

2003-01-31 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

 AEW == Albert E Whale [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

AEW I am having problems getting Mailman 2.1 installed on LM 8.2
AEW using the Stock Python distributions.  Here is the Error I am
AEW encountering:

AEW ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO

AEW Does this follow with the missing Python 2.2 Development RPM
AEW (Note that LM 8.2 does not have a Python-development rpm).

AEW Do these errors shed any additional light on the matter?

You're mixing your MM2.0 and MM2.1 installations.  There's no
HandlerAPI.py in Mailman 2.1, nor is there a StringIO.py in
pythonlib, nor is qrunner invoked from cron any more.

Did you update your crontab?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connectionfor messages sent to the same domain

2003-01-31 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

 SW == Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

SW Chunking like this means that you're actually sending RCPT TO:
SW based on TLD, and then only US TLDs, right? So SMTP_MAX_RCPTS
SW set to 50 could mean several different second level domains in
SW the same chunk, but for every TLD outside the US there will be
SW separate sessions for each mail sent?

Not exactly.  All the other tlds get dropped in the same bucket and
the chunks are filled from the buckets.  There are at most 4 buckets:

0 == everything else
1 == .com
2 == .org .net
3 == .edu .us .ca

SW Not exactly easy in real code, but if what you say about the
SW algorithm is true, then I could seriously improve performance
SW for my lists by doing this. Right now, my MTA takes over 3
SW hours to deliver the bulk of my 12000 subscriber list (not
SW including bounces and poor receiving MX hosts).

I'm highly doubtful that the chunking algorithm is your problem.  More
likely its an mta issue.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL

2003-01-31 Thread Marc Perkel
ok - what would the command be to change the URL of every list?

Barry A. Warsaw wrote:


MP == Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   


   MP In Mailman 2.0 there was a setting for the default URL. I
   MP can't seem to find it in 2.1.

It was too dangerous to leave in the web interface.

   MP I need to change the default URL for all my lists. Any easy
   MP way to do this?

bin/fix_url.py and/or bin/withlist

-Barry
 



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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL

2003-01-31 Thread Barry A. Warsaw

 MP == Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MP In Mailman 2.0 there was a setting for the default URL. I
MP can't seem to find it in 2.1.

It was too dangerous to leave in the web interface.

MP I need to change the default URL for all my lists. Any easy
MP way to do this?

bin/fix_url.py and/or bin/withlist

-Barry

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[Mailman-Users] Re: HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL

2003-01-31 Thread David Gibbs
Barry A. Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 MP In Mailman 2.0 there was a setting for the default URL. I
 MP can't seem to find it in 2.1.
 It was too dangerous to leave in the web interface.

What was dangerous about it?

I'm just curious.

david



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connectionfor messages sent to the same domain

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
31-Jan-03 at 16:09, Vivek Khera ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
  BAW == Barry A Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 BAW SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION determines how many chunks it sends
 BAW down the same socket connection to the mta.  Again, a negative number
 BAW means blast all the chunks down the same connection.
 
 With postfix, this would be ideal.  It has no problems accepting
 at least 50,000+ individual SMTP transactions per connection.

This is definitely something for me to look at. Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Doubts

2003-01-31 Thread Matthew Davis
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 I am amazed and astounded - and even more impressed with Cygwin!
 How well does the Exim install work?  Does it handle email quickly?

Wish I could tell you, but I've never tried it.  It's on my list of things
to do, or play with.  To play with it on XP now that I have cygwin
installed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

2003-01-31 Thread Simon White
31-Jan-03 at 13:45, Fernando Schapachnik ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 En un mensaje anterior, Simon White escribió:
   I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on,
   but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external
   commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example.
 
 Thanks for your idea an script. I've allready thought of that, but, as you mentioned,
 it is only good for plain text post, but breaks MIME ones, so it is not good enough.
 

This might help: altermime

I've just spotted it in the FILTER example for Postfix, it could do the
MIME work for you

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[Mailman-Users] Pipermail Attachment Problem

2003-01-31 Thread David Eisner

I just installed Mailman 2.1, and somebody noticed that for
Word file attachments, the attachment link in the archives
showed up as .dot rather than .doc.

When I tested it out, my attachment was just a string of
gibberish characters.

I did some research and found Bug 669081.  So I took the
latest Scrubber.py from CVS (2.24), and swapped it into
the 2.1 sources, rebuilt Mailman, and installed it.

Now my attachment isn't gibberish anymore, but it has
an .obj extension.

I realize updating just Scrubber.py is not necessarily kosher.
Are there other files I need to update?

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connectionfor messages sent to the same domain

2003-01-31 Thread Vivek Khera
 BAW == Barry A Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BAW SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION determines how many chunks it sends
BAW down the same socket connection to the mta.  Again, a negative number
BAW means blast all the chunks down the same connection.

With postfix, this would be ideal.  It has no problems accepting
at least 50,000+ individual SMTP transactions per connection.

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[Mailman-Users] postfix 2.0

2003-01-31 Thread Dan Phillips
current setup: Mailman 2.1, OS X Server 10.2.3, Postfix 1.1.11

I've followed the instructions in README.POSTFIX for integrating 
Postfix with Mailman, and everything seems to be working perfectly. 
Anything I need to look out for in upgrading Postfix to 2.0.1? Anything 
that needs to be changed in either MM or Postfix's main.cf? Any 
incompatibilities between Mailman/mta/postfix.py (or any other modules 
for that matter) and postfix 2.0.1?


thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix 2.0

2003-01-31 Thread Jon Parise
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 07:22:15PM -0600, Dan Phillips wrote:

 current setup: Mailman 2.1, OS X Server 10.2.3, Postfix 1.1.11
 
 I've followed the instructions in README.POSTFIX for integrating 
 Postfix with Mailman, and everything seems to be working perfectly. 
 Anything I need to look out for in upgrading Postfix to 2.0.1? Anything 
 that needs to be changed in either MM or Postfix's main.cf? Any 
 incompatibilities between Mailman/mta/postfix.py (or any other modules 
 for that matter) and postfix 2.0.1?
 
I've had zero problems after upgrading to Postfix 2.0.x.  Nothing on
the Mailman end needed to be changed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Additional Mailman 2.1 info

2003-01-31 Thread Jon Carnes
This is pretty much prima facia evidence that you are missing some
Python modules.  You can either trace them down, or do what i did -
install python from source.  

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 08:15, Albert E. Whale, CISSP wrote:
 Following up on my previous Email, I (finally) found the trouble 
 shooting guide on the FAQ , and I have located what may be the problems 
 in my installation:
 
 ns.ABS-CompTech.com mailman
 [/home/mailman]  /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File /home/mailman/cron/qrunner, line 89, in ?
 from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
   File /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, line 26, in ?
 from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
 ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO
 
 Does this follow with the missing Python 2.2 Development RPM (Note that 
 LM 8.2 does not have a Python-development rpm).
 
 Do these errors shed any additional light on the matter?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] All addresses are being bounced...

2003-01-31 Thread Jon Carnes
This is indicative of your mailserver not listening on localhost
(127.0.0.1) which is definitive of Red Hat's default Sendmail install.

Read FAQ 3.14 for help in troubleshooting this problem.

Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 09:40, Brian Barbour wrote:
 I am using Mailman 2.0.7 and when I send a message to any of my list it
 will bounce back on all receipients.  The email server is working
 perfectly, but for some reason when Mailman sends the message the log
 shows that all recpients bounce.
 
 Any help
 
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[Mailman-Users] Links for AOHell users?

2003-01-31 Thread Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hi all,

I was asked by a customer today about the footer links on one of their lists
and whether the links could be made to work with AOL's MUA (if it can be
called an MUA).  Any halfway decent MUA (and even MS OE) will allow a user
to click on a link and open it in a browser, yet AOL doesn't work like this
(at least not the versions that some of this customer's list members use).

I already have personalization turned on for the list so I was wondering
what it would take to check if user_address was an aol address and then
change the link to add the a href required by AOL's brain dead MUA.  I'd
rather do this than change the links for everyone since there are
(thankfully) relatively few AOL users.

Has anyone else had to deal with this before (or better still, coded it :) ?
If so, any pointers?

I realize that what they should be told is, sorry, that's what you get for
using an ISP that is 'so easy to use' (and the BOFH in me so badly wants to
tell them!) but that's not always what customers want to hear.  So I figure
I'll ask quick before I either attempt to do this myself or tell my customer
to tell the AOL users to deal with the effects of their bad choice in ISP's.

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[Mailman-Users] bug in creating list via web-admin

2003-01-31 Thread Keith Mastin
Hey all,
I was creating a testlist via the web-admin thingy, when I got the 
following error after hitting the create list submit button. No message 
was sent to me about the new list, even though I requested it. I 
cross-tested this by using the bin/newlist command, which was successful 
(no errors) and sent me a message regarding the new list.

This seems to be a python permissions problem from the last line of the 
output. I'm running postfix on a redhat 7.3 box.

I'm more than comfortable adding all the lists via command line, but since 
this come up I guess someone else should know about it.

Kind Regards,
Keith Mastin

=
Error:

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /web/mlib/data/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
  File /web/mlib/data/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 55, in main
process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File /web/mlib/data/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 217, in 
process_request
sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File /web/mlib/data/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 226, in 
create
_update_maps()
  File /web/mlib/data/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 47, in 
_update_maps
raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/web/mlib/data/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)


Python information:

Variable Value
sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Nov 22 2002, 17:25:34) [GCC 2.96 2731 (Red Hat 
Linux 7.3 2.96-112)]
sys.executable /usr/bin/python2
sys.prefix /usr
sys.exec_prefix /usr
sys.path /usr
sys.platform linux2 


Environment variables:

Variable Value
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1
CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_REFERER https://www.mcleodlakeindianband.com/mailman/create
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_auth_pam/1.1.1 
mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26
PYTHONPATH /web/mlib/data/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME /web/mlib/data/mailman/cgi-bin/create
SERVER_ADMIN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create
SERVER_SIGNATURE
REQUEST_METHOD POST
HTTP_HOST www.mcleodlakeindianband.com
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300
HTTPS on
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING
REQUEST_URI /mailman/create
CONTENT_LENGTH 171
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) 
Gecko/20021003
HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive
HTTP_COOKIE 
testlist+admin=28020069fc623b3e732800316564616233323763613163346636393138393136373364646162313261653366336161;
 
members+admin=2802006994643b3e73280037356534326339353866386137386363383064336439636430303838303462666331653666393138
SERVER_NAME www.mcleodlakeindianband.com
REMOTE_ADDR 216.138.194.32
REMOTE_PORT 63243
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us, en;q=0.50
SERVER_PORT 443
GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9
SERVER_ADDR 216.113.197.175
DOCUMENT_ROOT /web/mlib/html


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Re: [Mailman-Users] bug in creating list via web-admin

2003-01-31 Thread Matthew Davis
* Keith Mastin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[snip]
 This seems to be a python permissions problem from the last line of the 
 output. I'm running postfix on a redhat 7.3 box.
[snip]
 RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
 /web/mlib/data/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
[snip]

Your right.  Check the permissions on /web/mlib/data/mailman/data/aliases
See if it can be written by whatever user you specified in --with-cgi-gid=
at compile time (the user the cgi scripts run as).

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[Mailman-Users] Partial Restriction

2003-01-31 Thread ajit k jena

Hi All,

Recently Richard Barrett had posted a response to someone
about partially restricting the list. The regular expression
he had given restricts the members to the domain your.domain.com.

I want to expand this a little. I want to reject all subscription
requests (as well as postings) from users who donot fall into
one of the two possible patterns:

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is such a thing possible ? Please help me out in constructing
a regular expression for this check. I am new to Python RE and
so I have been struggling with this for a couple of days now.

Thanks for your time.

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[Mailman-Users] squirrelmail sends mailman message as attachment

2003-01-31 Thread Keith Mastin
Hey all,

I'm running mailman-2.1 on a redhat 7.3 box with postfix-1.1.7-2, 
courier-imap-1.6.2-1.7.3, squirrelmail-1.2.10, php-4.1.2-7.3.6, and 
python2-2.2.2-3.7.3

When I send a message to the mailman list from SM, the test of the message 
is in an attachment, not in the text area of the message.

When I send a message to the list from pine-4.44-7.73.0, the test of the 
message shows in the text area of the message.

This is a brand new mailman deployment with thousands of potential users 
and an invite to join the list already sent to a huge announce list, so 
getting this fixed is critical. I'm curious about the server-side 
configuration for this list and what the problem could be.

Any information needed to debug will be sent on request.

Thanks

Kindest Regards,
Keith Mastin



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Re: [Mailman-Users] squirrelmail sends mailman message as attachment

2003-01-31 Thread Matthew Davis
* Keith Mastin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[snip]
 When I send a message to the mailman list from SM, the test of the message 
 is in an attachment, not in the text area of the message.
 
 When I send a message to the list from pine-4.44-7.73.0, the test of the 
 message shows in the text area of the message.
[snip]

 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Check the archives (and maybe the FAQ) about this.  This has been discussed
recently.

Check this patch.  It might be what your looking for.  It trys to keep the
message as plain-text.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=664209group_id=103atid=300103

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