Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing the Public Pages

2003-10-27 Thread Szilard Vizi
Hello,

 If you know your password, click here (and MM asks email address
 password).
 How would I do this???
Maybe this helps you:

html
.
To find out your password a
href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Click
here/a!
...

In this case the user's MUA will pop up and send the letter to the admin
address of the list.


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[Mailman-Users] Requirements for a new archiver

2003-10-27 Thread Iain Bapty
Hi,

For those of you that don't know I am currently working on a archive 
component for Mailman as part of my degree. The interface to the archive 
shall be based on the ideas in Ka-Ping Yee's paper on his Zest 
prototype. Over the past two weeks I have been looking at requirements 
and have the following. These are in no specific order. Due to the time 
constraints on my project (I am to only spend 200 hours in total on it, 
including writing reports, presentations etc) there is a limit to the 
amount I can do.

Functional Requirements
The archive component should
  1. store email discussions.
  2. integrate with Mailman.
  3. provide a web-based interface to those email-discussions.
  4. provide an interface that threads discussions by their content. (ZEST)
  5. provide an interface that threads discussions by e-mail replies.
  6. allow for full-text searching of the archives.
  7. allow for filtering by date, author, and/or topic.
  8. be MIME aware.
  9. allow archives to be set as public or private.
 10. allow posts to be added, deleted, and modified through web interface.
 11. allow archives to be locked to prevent modification.
 12. allow postings to be emailed.
 13. allow postings to be referenced externally.
Non-Functional Requirements

  1. Maintainable
  2. Secure
  3. Scalable
The minimum I am planning on doing is the first 5 functional 
requirements restricted by the first 2 non-functional requirements.

There are a two reasons I am posting this.

Is there anything obvious that I have missed?

Which of the functional requirements, 6 to 13, do you feel are the most 
important? (As part of my report I have to analyse the requirements 
captured)

Any feedback is very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Iain



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[Mailman-Users] mailman dont deliver

2003-10-27 Thread Wouter
Hi,

I have created a new list. And mailman says that he sends me a wecome`s
mail. I dont recieve i welcomes mail, thats not the point.

But when i send domething to the list i see the follow in
/bar/log/exim/main.log.

2003-10-27 12:47:59 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H=smtp6.wanadoo.nl [194.134.35.177] P=esmtp S=1495
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn = [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=amavis
P=scanned-ok S=1693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex = backpack-reizen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R=amavis_router T=amavis
2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex Completed
2003-10-27 12:48:06 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn = |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
post backpack-reizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=system_aliases
T=address_pipe
2003-10-27 12:48:06 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn Completed

And where mailman then drops the mail i dont know.

I dont revieve a mail back whit a error or something.

Can someone help me whit this problem ?

Greets Wouter

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Restrict posting for members only while using NNTP gateway

2003-10-27 Thread Michael Stucki
Dear Jon,

thanks for your answer.

 Another option is to rewrite Mailman to extend the regular expression
 search so that it looks at one of the headers (if that header exists).
 That would probably take all of 4 lines of code.

This is the solution I was thinking of! Unfortunately, I don't speak Python
and I don't know where to change this. Assuming it's really just these 4
lines... is there anybody willing to help me?

Thank you very much.

Best regards
- michael


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[Mailman-Users] List Membership Page

2003-10-27 Thread mcp6453
Is there a way to configure MM to show all of the subscribers in a
single list, as it used to do? I think we're using 2.1.3.

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[Mailman-Users] sharing /locks /lists /archives for two mailmans running in diferent computers to prevent host down

2003-10-27 Thread javier
Ok! jonh, when i try to start second mailmanctl i got ab error, but i 
got to start second mailmanctl with -s flag but i don't know wath 
i'm doing,
so...  Somebody knows if this is good?? 

bash-2.03# ./mailmanctl start
The master qrunner lock could not be acquired, because it appears as if some
process on some other host may have acquired it.  We can't test for stale
locks across host boundaries, so you'll have to do this manually.  Or, 
if you
know the lock is stale, re-run mailmanctl with the -s flag.

Lock file: /usr/local/mailman/locks/master-qrunner
Lock host: burlador
Exiting.
bash-2.03# ./mailmanctl -s start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Editing the Public Pages

2003-10-27 Thread Wayne Spivak
Thank you, but with 20,000 members on the list, I think this is an
overburden...

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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:49 AM
To: Wayne Spivak
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing the Public Pages


Hello,

 If you know your password, click here (and MM asks email address 
 password). How would I do this???
Maybe this helps you:

html
.
To find out your password a
href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Click
here/a!
...

In this case the user's MUA will pop up and send the letter to the admin
address of the list.


Szilard Vizi
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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Membership Page

2003-10-27 Thread Richard Barrett
On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 12:23  pm, mcp6453 wrote:

Is there a way to configure MM to show all of the subscribers in a
single list, as it used to do? I think we're using 2.1.3.
In MM 2.1.x, this is controlled by the per-list attribute 
admin_member_chunksize which is set the default value of 
DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE when the list is created. As installed 
this has the value of 30.

If the number of members exceeds admin_member_chunksize then the 
membership is paginated alphabetically otherwise it is displayed on a 
single page.

If you set DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE to a different value this 
will only affect new lists.

To change things for an existing list you can use the 
$prefix/bin/withlist script from the command line. For instance, see 
the following terminal transcript:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mailman/run bin/withlist -i -l rbtest
Loading list rbtest (locked)
The variable `m' is the rbtest MailList instance
 m.admin_member_chunksize = 60
 m.Save()

Unlocking (but not saving) list: rbtest
Finalizing
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mailman/run
But, I would be careful about making the new value too large.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Membership Page

2003-10-27 Thread mcp6453
Richard Barrett wrote:
 
 On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 12:23  pm, mcp6453 wrote:
 
  Is there a way to configure MM to show all of the subscribers in a
  single list, as it used to do? I think we're using 2.1.3.
 
 
 In MM 2.1.x, this is controlled by the per-list attribute
 admin_member_chunksize which is set the default value of
 DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE when the list is created. As installed
 this has the value of 30.
 
 If the number of members exceeds admin_member_chunksize then the
 membership is paginated alphabetically otherwise it is displayed on a
 single page.
 
 If you set DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE to a different value this
 will only affect new lists.
 
 To change things for an existing list you can use the
 $prefix/bin/withlist script from the command line. For instance, see
 the following terminal transcript:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mailman/run bin/withlist -i -l rbtest
 Loading list rbtest (locked)
 The variable `m' is the rbtest MailList instance
   m.admin_member_chunksize = 60
   m.Save()
  
 Unlocking (but not saving) list: rbtest
 Finalizing
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mailman/run
 
 But, I would be careful about making the new value too large.


Thanks. I don't have root access, so I guess I'm hosed.

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[Mailman-Users] V2.1.3 Passwords

2003-10-27 Thread Wayne Spivak
Having problems with list admin and moderator passwords.

They don't work.

Any ideas here???


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Requirements for a new archiver

2003-10-27 Thread Doug Robb

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Iain Bapty wrote:

 Functional Requirements
 The archive component should
 
1. store email discussions.
2. integrate with Mailman.
3. provide a web-based interface to those email-discussions.
4. provide an interface that threads discussions by their content. (ZEST)
5. provide an interface that threads discussions by e-mail replies.
6. allow for full-text searching of the archives.
7. allow for filtering by date, author, and/or topic.
8. be MIME aware.
9. allow archives to be set as public or private.
   10. allow posts to be added, deleted, and modified through web interface.
   11. allow archives to be locked to prevent modification.
   12. allow postings to be emailed.
   13. allow postings to be referenced externally.
 
 Which of the functional requirements, 6 to 13, do you feel are the most 


6 7 10 9 in that order. Also be nice to have the format of the
archive to be easily customised using templates (which
would include style sheet/sheets). This way a list owner
could easily make the archives look good - which can't be said
of a lot of archiving systems around now. 

good luck with it,
doug




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Requirements for a new archiver

2003-10-27 Thread Jon Carnes
On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 07:00, Iain Bapty wrote:
 Hi,
 
 For those of you that don't know I am currently working on a archive 
 component for Mailman as part of my degree. The interface to the archive 
 shall be based on the ideas in Ka-Ping Yee's paper on his Zest 
 prototype. Over the past two weeks I have been looking at requirements 
 and have the following. These are in no specific order. Due to the time 
 constraints on my project (I am to only spend 200 hours in total on it, 
 including writing reports, presentations etc) there is a limit to the 
 amount I can do.
 
 Functional Requirements
 The archive component should
 
1. store email discussions.
2. integrate with Mailman.
3. provide a web-based interface to those email-discussions.
4. provide an interface that threads discussions by their content. (ZEST)
5. provide an interface that threads discussions by e-mail replies.
6. allow for full-text searching of the archives.
7. allow for filtering by date, author, and/or topic.
8. be MIME aware.
9. allow archives to be set as public or private.
   10. allow posts to be added, deleted, and modified through web interface.
   11. allow archives to be locked to prevent modification.
   12. allow postings to be emailed.
   13. allow postings to be referenced externally.
 
  Non-Functional Requirements
 
1. Maintainable
2. Secure
3. Scalable
 
 The minimum I am planning on doing is the first 5 functional 
 requirements restricted by the first 2 non-functional requirements.
 
 There are a two reasons I am posting this.
 
 Is there anything obvious that I have missed?
 
 Which of the functional requirements, 6 to 13, do you feel are the most 
 important? (As part of my report I have to analyse the requirements 
 captured)
 
 Any feedback is very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
 Iain
 
Iain, Fantastic project!  Good luck with it.

Here is the order for the last criteria that I like:

   6. allow for full-text searching of the archives.
   9. allow archives to be set as public or private.
  13. allow postings to be referenced externally.
   7. allow for filtering by date, author, and/or topic.
   8. be MIME aware.
  11. allow archives to be locked to prevent modification.
  10. allow posts to be added, deleted, and modified through web interface.
  12. allow postings to be emailed.

Take care, and thanks!

Jon Carnes


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman dont deliver

2003-10-27 Thread Jon Carnes
Hmmm Turn on Mailmanctl?

Try looking at FAQ 3.1.4 and see if that helps.
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 07:13, Wouter wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have created a new list. And mailman says that he sends me a wecome`s
 mail. I dont recieve i welcomes mail, thats not the point.
 
 But when i send domething to the list i see the follow in
 /bar/log/exim/main.log.
 
 2003-10-27 12:47:59 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 H=smtp6.wanadoo.nl [194.134.35.177] P=esmtp S=1495
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn = [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=amavis
 P=scanned-ok S=1693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex = backpack-reizen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=amavis_router T=amavis
 2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex Completed
 2003-10-27 12:48:06 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn = |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
 post backpack-reizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=system_aliases
 T=address_pipe
 2003-10-27 12:48:06 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn Completed
 
 And where mailman then drops the mail i dont know.
 
 I dont revieve a mail back whit a error or something.
 
 Can someone help me whit this problem ?
 
 Greets Wouter



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Re: [Mailman-Users] sharing /locks /lists /archives for two mailmans running in diferent computers to prevent host down

2003-10-27 Thread Jon Carnes
Doh!

Yep.  Sharing the Lock file directory would work fine for Mailman
version 2.0.13, but not for 2.1.x... Sorry for the bad advice.

Your best bet for 2.1.x is to run the servers with local list files and
let a background process keep the lists up-to-date or synchronized. You
could simply have all mail for listname-request forwarded to a primary
server, and have the web access be to that primary server as well.  That
primary server would then run a process that propagated any list changes
to the slave servers.

Good luck - and sorry for the wrong turn.

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 07:41, javier wrote:
 Ok! jonh, when i try to start second mailmanctl i got ab error, but i 
 got to start second mailmanctl with -s flag but i don't know wath 
 i'm doing,
 so...  Somebody knows if this is good?? 
 
 bash-2.03# ./mailmanctl start
 The master qrunner lock could not be acquired, because it appears as if some
 process on some other host may have acquired it.  We can't test for stale
 locks across host boundaries, so you'll have to do this manually.  Or, 
 if you
 know the lock is stale, re-run mailmanctl with the -s flag.
 
 Lock file: /usr/local/mailman/locks/master-qrunner
 Lock host: burlador
 
 Exiting.
 bash-2.03# ./mailmanctl -s start
 Starting Mailman's master qrunner.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Enquiry

2003-10-27 Thread Skip Montanaro

johnson Could you please send me some detail whether the Mailman
johnson software supports windows operating system? 

The 2.1 README indicates it won't run with Windows, though it appears that
if you are willing to jump through the proper hoops it may work on Win2k.
Check the FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq05.002.htp

Note that qa was last updated over a year ago.

YMMV.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding a second list admin

2003-10-27 Thread John DeCarlo
Frank,

Are you having a problem? 

You quoted text that says when a list is created it send a message to 
the list owner, so the list owner knows the list was created and can 
start working on it.

Then you say you added another list owner but got no message.  That 
sounds exactly correct - no new list was created.

Hope this helps.

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[Mailman-Users] Forgot admin password :(

2003-10-27 Thread Tony Butler
Help!

I run a closed mailing list  haven't had 2 admin it for ages.
I need to now, but I forgot the password :((

Is there anything I can do to recover it?

Tnx in advance.



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[Mailman-Users] Renaming and Moving List to a different Sub-Domain

2003-10-27 Thread Rafael Fischmann
Dear Mailman Staff,

First of all, sorry for bothering you with this support message, but I 
need help with two basic things in Mailman and I don't know where is 
the best place to look for it. If you can help me I'd be glad for it, 
otherwise I'd love if you could direct me for the best place to get 
these information.

I have several lists in my server http://macmagazine.com.br and, 
before the number of them and the number of members inside them gets to 
big, I want to create a pattern for the lists' names and locations.

I'll take one of the lists, as you can see in 
http://macmagazine.com.br/mailman/listinfo, as an example for what I 
want to do. With the instructions handy I'll be able to apply that in 
all the others.

FinalCut-BR is at [EMAIL PROTECTED]. First of all, I need 
to rename the list to simply [EMAIL PROTECTED] or even 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] which will be better for us. Besides 
that, I want to move the list to the sub-domain listas, making it go 
to [EMAIL PROTECTED].

How can that be made? We're using Mailman 2.1.2 in cPanel 8.5.3 - 
STABLE 3.

Thanks and regards,
-Rafael
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[Mailman-Users] Maillist create error

2003-10-27 Thread Johan Kok
Could anybody help with the following error when I try to create a mailling list. THe 
implication is that the mailling list itself has been created within mailman but I 
presume that the Postfix is not configured for such

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to 
the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 55, 
in main
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 217, 
in process_request
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 
226, in create
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 47, 
in _update_maps
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases 
(status: 1, Operation not permitted)



Python information:

VariableValue
sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Mar 17 2003, 15:17:58) [GCC 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE 
Linux)]
sys.executable  /usr/bin/python
sys.prefix  /usr
sys.exec_prefix /usr
sys.path/usr
sys.platformlinux2

Environment variables:

VariableValue
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1
CONTENT_TYPEapplication/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_REFERERhttp://www.in-corp.com/mailman/create
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Linux/SuSE) ApacheJServ/1.1.2 
mod_webapp/1.2.0-dev mod_python/2.7.8 Python/2.2.2 PHP/4.3.1
PYTHONPATH  /usr/lib/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create
SERVER_ADMIN[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create
SERVER_SIGNATURE
REQUEST_METHOD  POST
HTTP_HOST   www.in-corp.com
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING
REQUEST_URI /mailman/create
CONTENT_LENGTH  141
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 
Netscape/7.1
HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive
SERVER_NAME in-corp.com
REMOTE_PORT 1782
REMOTE_ADDR 165.165.111.34
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen-us,en;q=0.5
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GATEWAY_INTERFACE   CGI/1.1
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[Mailman-Users] Cron mailman@pooh /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled

2003-10-27 Thread Fuzzy
Can anyone tell me what mailman is having problems with,
and how to fix it?

The error message doesn't appear to contain the filename
of the problem file.

thanks

fuzzy

 message from mailman user
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:00:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Cron Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/local/bin/python -S
/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled, line 209, in ?
main()
  File /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled, line 148, in main
mlist = MailList.MailList(listname)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 99, in __init__
self.Lock()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 149, in Lock
self.Load()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 570, in Load
dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 543, in __load
dict = loadfunc(fp)
cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling


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[Mailman-Users] Quick question

2003-10-27 Thread Todd Clayton
I've read the documentation and the FAQ, and can't find an explicit 
answer to my problem... For some reason my mailing list members can post 
directly to my mailing list, however I thought I had set it up as a one 
way list only. As in only I can post.

I have the reply-to set explicitly as my address, and I've just changed 
Hide Sender to no. However, even if for some reason someone tries to 
post to this address I want it to be held for review regardless of who 
sent it.

I'm sure there is a way of doing this, but I guess I'm just clueless on 
Mondays...

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[Mailman-Users] lockfile mtime in future

2003-10-27 Thread Doug Griswold
I have two lock files in /usr/local/mailman/locks

one is master-qrunner and the other is master-qrunner.mysite.com:25326


the strange thing is that the MTIME is in the future.  Is this normal? 
If so could someone explain this.  This is on mailman 2.1.3


Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Maillist create error

2003-10-27 Thread Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Johan Kok wrote:
 Could anybody help with the following error when I try to create a
 mailling list. THe implication is that the mailling list itself has
 been created within mailman but I presume that the Postfix is not
 configured for such
 
 Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1
 
 We're sorry, we hit a bug!
 
 If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a
 copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description
 of what happened. Thanks!  Traceback:
 
 Traceback (most recent call last): File
 /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main main() File
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py,
 line 55, in main File
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py,
 line 217, in process_request File
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py,
 line 226, in create File
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py,
 line 47, in _update_maps RuntimeError: command failed:
 /usr/sbin/postalias /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1,
 Operation not permitted)

I assume you've carefully read the FAQ so as to avoid asking a
question that's been asked and answered numerous times and that it
didn't help you?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.009.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Renaming and Moving List to a different Sub-Domain

2003-10-27 Thread Ed Wilts
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 10:00:08PM +1300, Rafael Fischmann wrote:
 I have several lists in my server http://macmagazine.com.br and, 
 before the number of them and the number of members inside them gets to 
 big, I want to create a pattern for the lists' names and locations.
 
 How can that be made? We're using Mailman 2.1.2 in cPanel 8.5.3 - 
 STABLE 3.

There's an easy way to rename a list and there's a hard way.  The hard
way is documented in the FAQ - please search http://www.list.org first.

The easy way can be used if you don't have any archives and don't care
about providing a way for your user community to access the list by the
old name.  Simply create the new list, export the configuration of the
old list, import that into the new list, and then list the members of
the old list and add that to the new.  That works fairly well for
announcement-style only lists with no archives.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman locks directory

2003-10-27 Thread Mailman Mailing List Manager
Hi folks,

 How dangerous is it to muck with the locks directory of a mailman
install?

 I'm trying to figure out why my mailman installation doesn't send
messages through.  

 - postfix receives mail and passes it into the mailman wrapper
   (from looking at /var/log/mail)

 - mailman appears to be able to send (things like subscription 
   confirmations get sent out)

 - but normal list traffic doesn't get through.  

 - there are a dozen or so files in the locks directory, even
   though no messages have been sent out to the lists in a couple
   weeks.

 I'm wondering if there might be a way to kick-start mailman
again, maybe by removing the lock files.  But would this be dangerous?
I'm not worried about the messages that haven't gone out, at this
point, just about getting things moving again.

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[Mailman-Users] Activate mailinglist

2003-10-27 Thread mailings
Hi all,

Somehow i deactivated the mailinglist from without the GUI.
I forget however where and how i did it and i can't find the place where i did 
it.
Can someone point this stupid fool to the right place...:-))
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[Mailman-Users] Not getting emails.

2003-10-27 Thread Anup

When I send email to the mailing list running Mailman, I don't get any emails. Nor can 
I see any activity as a List owner. Do I need to set up any other features?



Regards,

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[Mailman-Users] Lost a list and now I'm stuck...

2003-10-27 Thread Simon White
Hello,

I had a system crash recently while a mailing was going out to a list
that has about 11,000 members.

In the mailman/lists directory the list still has its directory, but
instead of the usual:

config.pck  config.pck.last  request.db

it has just these files:

-rw-rw1 mailman  mailman   1670681 Sep 10 16:02 config.pck.safety
-rw-rw-r--1 webusers mailman29 Oct 22 01:44 request.db

The list is no longer showing up in list_lists and check_db runs. It
certainly existed before though!

Can I still restore that list? I'm not sure I have all the subscriber
details still... which would be a real shame to lose, it's a community
site for new mothers (and fathers) for advice and stuff for babies,
parents and young kids to do, etc... 

I had to clean out a load of rubbish in the qfiles to stop mailmanctl
barfing a load of errors (Bad Marshal Data) ... sadly I don't have
access to the full errors any more.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lost a list and now I'm stuck...

2003-10-27 Thread Simon White
I committed a couple of sins in posting hastily.

27-Oct-03 at 22:12, Simon White ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 I had to clean out a load of rubbish in the qfiles to stop mailmanctl
 barfing a load of errors (Bad Marshal Data) ... sadly I don't have
 access to the full errors any more.

Here they are

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
 main()
  File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
 qrunner.run()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 59, in run
 filecnt = self._oneloop()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 88, in
_oneloop
 msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 144, in
dequeue
 data = self._ext_read(dbfile)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 246, in
_ext_read
 dict = marshal.load(fp)
MemoryError

+-+-+

Also, 

/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./version
Using Mailman version: 2.1.2

/usr/local/mailman/bin# /usr/bin/python -V
Python 2.1.3

sd25:/usr/local/mailman/bin# uname -a
Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686
unknown

Anything else you need?

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[Mailman-Users] Can't find no attachment-switch for text/plain

2003-10-27 Thread Thomas Gutzler
Hi,

can somebody tell me how to persuade mailman not to put any text/plain
message into an attachment ?

If I send a mail to any of my lists, I get it back as an empty mail
with 2 attachments:

1 no description[text/plain, 7bit, 0,1K] 
2 no description[text/plain, quoted, 0,1K] 

Where 1 is the text and 2 the signature

Cheers,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding a second list admin

2003-10-27 Thread Frank Middleton
Exactly. It worked just as documented. So how do I go about adding
a new list admin, or replacing the current admin? Just adding the
new name doesn't seem to be useful because there doesn't seem to
be a way to notify them of their password. Unless I'm missing
something (probably glaringly) obvious, it *should* send an email
when someone is added, not just at list creation time.
As it happens I could recreate this list, so there is an easy work around,
but I'm puzzled as to why it allows the addition of new administrators
when apparently there is no way to let them administer.  That's why I
tried
 config_list -o 
[edit  to add new admin]
 config_list -i 
thinking that this was a bit like making a new list.  I also made sure
that the new admin was already a valid subscriber and tried using their
list password but this didn't work. Apparently list users and admin
passwords are not coupled even if they have the same email addresses
(probably a good thing).
Clearly, people do inherit lists and doubtlessly change admins. I did
RTFM and the Archives but drew a blank - but there must be a way...
Mailman version 2.0.11 (Debian).

TIA -- Frank Middleton

John DeCarlo wrote:

Frank,

Are you having a problem?
You quoted text that says when a list is created it send a message to 
the list owner, so the list owner knows the list was created and can 
start working on it.

Then you say you added another list owner but got no message.  That 
sounds exactly correct - no new list was created.

Hope this helps.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding a second list admin

2003-10-27 Thread Ed Wilts
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 04:58:07PM -0500, Frank Middleton wrote:
 Exactly. It worked just as documented. So how do I go about adding
 a new list admin, or replacing the current admin? Just adding the
 new name doesn't seem to be useful because there doesn't seem to
 be a way to notify them of their password. Unless I'm missing
 something (probably glaringly) obvious, it *should* send an email
 when someone is added, not just at list creation time.
 
 Clearly, people do inherit lists and doubtlessly change admins. I did
 RTFM and the Archives but drew a blank - but there must be a way...

If you've added a second admin, that person can get the password from
the first admin who should probably be informed that a second person has
been added anyway.

If the list admin changes, then the password should be changed.  Using the
site password, you can change the list password and then give that to
the new admin.

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[Mailman-Users] sitelist?

2003-10-27 Thread Mailman Mailing List Manager
Hi folks,

 I'm running debian woody, postfix, and mailman.  

 I just upgraded from 2.0.x to 2.1.3-1.

 Mailman is now telling me it needs a sitelist before it will
start.  I can't find much about sitelist, other than the mentions of
it in the mailman 2.1.2 release notes and an occasional reference to
reconfiguring all of the mailing lists using config_list.  The
python.org mailman faq gives me no hits on sitelist.

 It appears that all I have to do is:

1) Create a vanilla mailing list named mailman:
 do: newlist mailman
 paste the aliases into /etc/aliases
 do: newaliases

2) do: config_list -i /var/lib/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg mailman

3) restart mailman;  on debian, do so with:
 do: /etc/init.d/mailman restart


 
 Now, this *appears* to have fixed things, mail to the various
lists is going out, the various message waiting in the queue went, as
did the test I just sent.  But is it really fixed, or do I need to do
anything else?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI not working

2003-10-27 Thread Foo, Randy
Thanks for your help,

However, I've tried changing the group that apache runs httpd under to
www, and that didn't work. For some unknown reason, I cannot get httpd
to run as any id other than apache. The apache conf file says to run
httpd as root, and then it will change over, but I haven't seen that.  I
ran configure again using --with-cgi-id=nobody, and then make install
again and it took this time.  But the CGI still does not run. I set
the User to nobody, and Group to 99 in the apache httpd.conf file. 

Any other suggestions?

Regards,

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Here's the http.conf setup:

 # If you wish httpd to run as a different user or group, you must run
# httpd as root initially and it will switch.
#
# User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as.
#  . On SCO (ODT 3) use User nouser and Group nogroup.
#  . On HPUX you may not be able to use shared memory as nobody, and the
#suggested workaround is to create a user www and use that user.
#  NOTE that some kernels refuse to setgid(Group) or semctl(IPC_SET)
#  when the value of (unsigned)Group is above 6;
#  don't use Group #-1 on these systems!
#
User nobody
Group #99
#Group #-1
/IfModule
/IfModule


# ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts.
# ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that
# documents in the realname directory are treated as applications and
# run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to the
client.
# The same rules about trailing / apply to ScriptAlias directives as
to
# Alias.
#
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/
 

#CGI script enablement directive
#
ScriptAlias
/cgi/bin/ /usr/local/apache2/cgi/bin
/usr/local/apache2/cgi/bin
ScriptAlias
/mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
 

# /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin should be changed to whatever your
ScriptAliased
# CGI directory exists, if you have that configured.
#
Directory /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin
AllowOverride None
Options None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory
 

Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
AllowOverride None
Options None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:30 AM
To: Foo, Randy
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI not working



i have just been setting up a server and had some similar problems, you
need to check that the group that mailman first matches for running its
cgi scripts is the group  that the apache server is running

by default mailman will check for www then www-data and then nobody (see
install doc), on a redhat machine that i have the www and www-data
groups do not exist but nobody does with id 99, and the default RH9
apache server runs as group, and user, apache GUID 48

if you have not used the --with-cgi-gid option then you need to use the
User and Group options for apache to set the server to run as nobody or
whatever group mailman first macthes

once you haev done this try a webpage such as
http://yourdomain/mailman/admin, a gotcha that hit me is that just
looking at http://yourdomain/mailman/ will not work as there is not
default script or index page for the server to display and you will
probably get an error

James


At 23/10/2003 23:57:31,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm a newbie, and have just installed mailman on Red Hat 9, with the 
 apache web server.  None of it was done with rpm, I downloaded, 
 configured and compiled from both apache.org and the mailman site.  
 I've created the 'mailman' list, after having gone through all install

 docs. Mailman's cgi does not work, however.  The documentation said to

 check the apache group setting, which is at the default right now #-1,

 but I have changed it to gid 99, to no avail.  Default cgi group is 
 apparently www in mailman, although the username is nobody in apache 
 (gid 99 in
 redhat) for httpd.  How do I get the mailman cgi to work?  I've set
the
 scriptalias directive in apache to /mailman/
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin

 I also tried re-running the configure script using the --with-cgi-id ,

 but no matter what it seems to use www.

 The first mailing from the mailman list went to my email ok, returning

 the link myserver.vcd.hp.com/mailman/admin/mailman, but all that is 
 returned is the object not found - the requested URL was not found on

 this server

 Any help is greatly appreciated.

 Thanks,

 Randy Foo
 Unix System Administrator
 The Kemtah Group at Hewlett Packard

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