[Mailman-Users] Migrating many lists

2003-12-05 Thread Rakshika Bhana
Hi

We have just installed Mailman and are in the process of testing the system. Part of 
our migration from Lyris to Mailman involves the moving over of approx. 70 lists to 
Mailman. These are are classified as open, closed, moderated, unmoderated etc. 
Some of these lists have their own list specific footers and headers, welcome docs 
etc.

I'd like to know which is the best and most efficient way to create these lists. Do we 
just create them one at a time or is there a tool or template that allows for mass 
migration of lists that have similar settings.

Thanks
Rakshika

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81

2003-12-05 Thread Simon White
04-Dec-03 at 22:45, Sasa Stupar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
  Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80). I
 modified the config lines in mm_cfg.py to read...
   
  DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'mail.stginternational.com:81'
  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'stginternational.com' 
  
  ...but all the links that Mailman creates omit the :81 portion
 of the URL, and therefore are incorrect. Example:

 After changing in mm_cfg.py run this:
 $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mailman

Did you notice the part in Defaults.py thus:

# If you don't need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in
# your mm_cfg.py, then you're done; the default mapping is added
# automatically.  If however you change either variable in your
# mm_cfg.py, then be sure to also include the following:
#
# add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Set GID ?

2003-12-05 Thread Simon White
04-Dec-03 at 16:27, Brent Shafer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :

 I have the set to User: mailman - r,w,e (read, write, execute
 capabilities) Group:  mailman - r,w,e Everybody:  r,w,e

This is not secure. This is not what you are told to do by the
documentation. Setting something to rwx rwx rwx (usually we use x for
execute rather than e, because that's how ls -l displays it...) is
something I have never found necessary. Ever. 

 checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error:
 * Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured pr
 operly!
 * Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /usr/local/mailman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.3]$
 
 To What am I supposed to set the gid, and how am I supposed to get that 
 accomplished?

/usr/local/mailman should look something like this:

drwxrwsr-x   21 root mailman 4096 Sep  6 15:41 mailman

This is clear in the documentation:

Watch out if your site does something like mount /usr/local with the
nosuid option.  This will break Mailman, which relies on set-gid
programs for its security.  If this describes your environment, simply
install Mailman in a location that allows setgid programs.

Make sure the install directory is set to group `mailman' (or whatever
you're going to specify as --with-groupname) and has the setgid bit set
(but see README.BSD if you're on a BSD system).  You probably also want
to guarantee that this directory is readable and executable by everyone.
For example, these shell commands will accomplish this:

 % cd $prefix
 % chgrp mailman .
 % chmod a+rx,g+ws . 



In your case, $prefix can be replaced by /usr/local/mailman, unless /usr
or /usr/local are mounted nosuid.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating many lists

2003-12-05 Thread Kevin McCann
 Hi

 We have just installed Mailman and are in the process of testing the
system. Part of
 our migration from Lyris to Mailman involves the moving over of approx. 70
lists to
 Mailman. These are are classified as open, closed, moderated, unmoderated
etc.
 Some of these lists have their own list specific footers and headers,
welcome docs
 etc.

 I'd like to know which is the best and most efficient way to create these
lists. Do we
 just create them one at a time or is there a tool or template that allows
for mass
 migration of lists that have similar settings.

There are three things you'll want to export and import. Two of them will be
easy, the third one, which is what you're specifically asking about, is
trickier.

You'll need to do the following for *each* list:

For exporting members, use the members.pl script which is found in the
collection of scripts found in the URL I am providing below. You'll need to
take the resulting file and break it into two text files, one for normal
users, the other for digest users. You'll then use these as input for the
mailman command that adds members, which is add_members. For each list
you'll do this after the list is created.

For exporting message archives, use the 'exp-arc.pl script. This will
create mbox files that can be used to recreate pipermail versions of the
archives once your mailman list is created.

Finally - and this is what you were specifically asking about - there is a
script called list-exp.pl that exports a list's settings into a text file.
In theory you could use the resultant data as input for the mailman commands
that create and configure your lists, which are newlist and create_list
respectively.

Here is the URL where will you find an assortment of Lyris scripts,
including the ones I mentioned:

http://www.lyris.com/products/listmanager/lm_6.1/scripts.html

(should this be added to a FAQ somwhere? I suspect there will be more people
who will migrate from Lyris to Mailman due to criminally exorbitant
licensing fees, a desire to support open source instead, etc.)

- Kevin


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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password

2003-12-05 Thread Jon
Hello

We have created a new mailman list and would have created an
unsubscribe page for the users of the list however we are having
problems unsubscribing the users without the need of a password.
Can mailman be setup to allow the users to unsubscribe without a
password.

Our version is 2.0.13

Thank-you

Jon



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password

2003-12-05 Thread Simon White
05-Dec-03 at 13:17, Jon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 We have created a new mailman list and would have created an
 unsubscribe page for the users of the list however we are having
 problems unsubscribing the users without the need of a password.
 Can mailman be setup to allow the users to unsubscribe without a
 password.
 
 Our version is 2.0.13

If you make your own subscribe page which takes the email address and
adds it to a text file, you can schedule a task every night to read that
file and unsubscribe the addresses in it.

I have a version of this theory working on a server using PHP, a little
shell script, and cron.  Let me know if it's of any use to you.

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[Mailman-Users] virtual host

2003-12-05 Thread Omar Liberatto
Hello, sorry about my english, i'm not speak this language.
I'm configuring a web/mail/ftp/ssh/etc-server. I'm using Mailman with
Postfix to manage lists, and I have problems with the virtual domains. I
have about 350 virtual hosts in this server but I can't configure the
lists created to respond or to deliver the messages received.
I use debian woody, Postfix, Apache 1.3.28...
 
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[Mailman-Users] Problem with html messages in Mailman 2.1.2

2003-12-05 Thread Jacques L'Heureux
HTML messages are properly passes on to non-digest members but not to 
digest members or to the archives. In both cases, the message is 
converted to a link but when one executes the link, the html code is 
shown instead of being converted ot a GUI page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81

2003-12-05 Thread Ana
Hi,
I have the same problem:
I include in mm_cfg.py
 DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'myhost.com:port'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'my host.com'
add_virtualhost('myhost.com:port', 'my host.com' )
but the links omit the port in the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Ana

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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81


 04-Dec-03 at 22:45, Sasa Stupar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
   Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80). I
  modified the config lines in mm_cfg.py to read...
  
   DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'mail.stginternational.com:81'
   DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'stginternational.com'
  
   ...but all the links that Mailman creates omit the :81 portion
  of the URL, and therefore are incorrect. Example:

  After changing in mm_cfg.py run this:
  $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mailman

 Did you notice the part in Defaults.py thus:

 # If you don't need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in
 # your mm_cfg.py, then you're done; the default mapping is added
 # automatically.  If however you change either variable in your
 # mm_cfg.py, then be sure to also include the following:
 #
 # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81

2003-12-05 Thread Simon White
05-Dec-03 at 16:37, Ana ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 Hi,
 I have the same problem:
 I include in mm_cfg.py
  DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'myhost.com:port'
 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'my host.com'
 add_virtualhost('myhost.com:port', 'my host.com' )
 but the links omit the port in the URL.

I think you are supposed to put 

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

as you have already defined these above.

You may also have to run 

bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname

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[Mailman-Users] Subscribing to several lists at once? / Customized confirmation subjects

2003-12-05 Thread Axel Beckert
Hi!

Because no native newsletter software seems to fit the newsletter
requirements of a customer (not even close), we've chosen Mailman
2.1.x for this purposes, because we already have very good experiences
with earlier Mailman versions, as well for mailing lists as for
newsletters. And the 2.1 versions also have several more goodies
useful for newsletters.

But still some more or less important problems seems unsolved: 


We already have a form like
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe where you fill in your
e-mail address just once and then select, on which lists you want to
be subscribed. Currently, that script sends out a bunch of subscribe
mails to the appropriate addresses. But currently the user will get
one confirmation mail for each list he'd like to subscribe instead of
a single one.

Is there a possibility in Mailman to process a bunch of list
subscriptions for a single user like one subscription, i.e. so that
only one confirm mail is required? Anyone already had similiar
problems?


Another little customization thingy:

IIRC Mailman 2.0.x had confirmation mail subjects looking like this:

|  listname -- confirmation of subscription -- request XX

The new ones look just like this:

|  confirm 

Is it easily possible to customize this subject to be a little bit
more understandable for a non-english speaking, non-technical
audience, e.g. by a descriptive prefix in the configured language? Or
do I need to patch Mailman and/or create new locales?


And how do others deal with those horrible old Win95 mail clients
(X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.X..XX)) which break the
subject by adding an additonal white space auf 60 or 70 characters?

E.g. I customized an older Mailman version with a few German texts,
e.g. the above mentioned old confirmation subject, so that it read
like this:

|  Listname -- Bitte um Bestaetigung der Anmeldung -- Anfrage 388443

What I got back from a customer was this:

|  Subject: WG: Listname -- Bitte um Bestaetigung der Anmeldung -- Anfra
|  ge 388443

My shorthack solution was to write a Perl (Jehova! ;-) wrapper, which
fixed the subject before passing it to Mailman. How are (were) others
dealing with this problem? (It should not only happen with customized
versions of Mailman but also with long list names and the umodified
Mailman version.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] shell script to make consolidated list from other lists?

2003-12-05 Thread John Dell
On Friday 05 December 2003 01:01 am, Simon White wrote:
 04-Dec-03 at 15:43, Dennis Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 Hmmm

 uniq -u means print only unique lines. uniq -d means only duplicate
 lines. uniq only works well if sort is applied first. add_members /
 sync_members will ignore dupes anyway (but sort then uniq might be
 quicker). tr is not obligatory but I can see what you're getting at
 (changing case so that everyone's emails are in lower case for both
 lists).

Yep, I noticed this problem also in testing.

 I'd do something a bit more like (replace $prefix with path to mailman)

 # get member lists into the temp file
 $prefix/bin/list_members the-a-list  /tmp/abc.wk1
 $prefix/bin/list_members the-b-list  /tmp/abc.wk1

 # convert everything to lower case
 tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'  /tmp/abc.wk1  /tmp/abc.wk2

I noticed in mm 2.1.x that list_members returns all lowercase unless you 
provide a flag to return original case as entered, so this isn't necessary.

 # deduplicate from 2nd temp file and overwrite 1st temp file, to save
 # counting upwards all the time; we could do this on one line and pipe
 # to another pipe and so on... but separating isn't such a bad thing
 sort -d /tmp/abc.wk2 | uniq  /tmp/abc.wk1

 # now sync back to the list
 $prefix/bin/sync_members -w=no -f /tmp/abc.wk1 the-big-list

I now have a working script!  So thanks again to all for your ideas and 
feedback!

Regards,
John


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Re: [Mailman-Users] please help

2003-12-05 Thread Jon Carnes
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 23:18, Shane Messer wrote:
 Man,
 
  
 
 I really hate to send a stupid email like this, but I have searched for the
 past hour trying to figure out a very simple problem, with no luck.
 
  
 
 I use a web company for hosting and I have no root access.  I am provided
 use of the mailman script, v2.13.
 
  
 
 The problem is that I am trying to figure out a way to do a mass removal of
 all the users on a list without having to go through each letter and check
 them off, letter by letter.  Here is what I have tried.
 
  
 
 1.I tried to do a * in the mass removal.  Doesn't work.
 2.I tried to come up with a way to get an entire list on the screen at
 once, so I could do a mass removal with that list.  No luck.
 
  
 
 Again, I only have access to the web interface and not the command line, so
 can you tell me a way to simply wipe all the users in the list quickly?  Or
 simply list them and then I can drop the list into the mass removal box?
 
  
 
 I work for a vodka company (www.extremebeverage.com), so I will be happy to
 send lots of free samples to someone who can answer my question! :-)
 
  
 
 Thanks,
 
 Shane
 
With an offer like that, who could refuse!

Write a small robot script to access the admin website and do the check
boxes for you.  Linux has some very nice scripting tools that will help
you out (links and wget come to mind).

I've used them in the past to do load testing on web-sites.  I setup
them up to walk entire web trees multiple times.  The principle is the
same so with a bit of patience you should have something that will
hammer away on the admin pages for you in a few minutes.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't send mail

2003-12-05 Thread Jon Carnes
Wow, great problem report... It looks to me like your Postfix is
delivering the mail to Mailman, Mailmanctl is running and trying to drop
the mail out to the specified SMTPHOST

# SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect'.  
# Make sure the
# host exists and is resolvable (i.e., if it's the 
# default of localhost be
# sure there's a localhost entry in your /etc/hosts file!)
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'

In your case the SMTPHOST is ns1.tcbug.org.  Does this resolve?  Is
Postfix setup to accept mail from this IP address?

I would switch back to using SMTPHOST = 'localhost' and then set that to
127.0.0.1 in my /etc/hosts file, then setup Postfix to relay any local
posts from 127.0.0.1

It sounds like the problem is in Postfix.  It looks like it is not
allowing relay from the locally running Mailman application.  Check out
the error and warning logs for Postfix.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 13:36, Josh Paetzel wrote:
 I'm having an issue getting Mailman to send mail out to my mailing 
 list.  I've searched Google extensively, read the Mailman FAQ, and 
 can't seem to get an answer to my problem.  Sorry for the length of
 this email, but I'm going to try and be as complete as possible the
 first time around.
 
 According to the FAQ the following information should be listed:
 
 Mailman version - 2.1.3
 How it was installed - FreeBSD ports system
 Version of OS - FreeBSD 5.2-BETA
 The MTA - Postfix 2.0.16,1
 
 I've gone through the troubleshooting tips in the FAQ section 3.14
 
 Brief Description of the Problem: Emails sent to my mailing list are
 silently absorbed by the mailman system.  They don't bounce, they 
 just appear to disappear.
 
 Mailman Configuration: Here's a copy of my mm_cfg.py
 
 # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
 
 DEFAULT_URL = 'http://tcbug.org/cgi-bin/mailman'
 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'tcbug.org'
 DEFAULT_URL_HOST= 'tcbug.org'
 MAILMAN_OWNER   = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
 SMTPHOST= 'ns1.tcbug.org'
 
 
 Logs:  Here is the output of several of the logs on the system:
 
 /var/log/maillog contains the following when I try to send a mail:
 
 Dec  5 17:54:06 ns1 postfix/local[38668]: 3786EBA0A: 
 to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=6, status=sent 
 (|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post tcbug)
 
 /usr/local/mailman/logs/error is empty
 
 /usr/local/mailman/logs/post:
 
 Dec 05 17:59:48 2003 (38597) post to tcbug from [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  size=1994,  message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 20 
 failures
 
 (There are 20 members on the mailing list in question)
 
 /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp:
 
 Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused')
 Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.046 seconds
 Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused')
 Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.110 seconds
 
 /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-error:
 
 Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1:
 ignore
 Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
 -1: ignore
 
 ...this is followed by similar messages for each of the members of the list.
 
 Just for kicks I've apt-get installed Mailman on a debian 3.0 box I have 
 laying around, along with Postfix 2.0.x and everything works perfectly out
 of the box.  I've been tearing my hair out trying to see what's different
 between the two installations, but I can't find it.  Any and all advice, 
 suggestions, clues, feats of magic, or beatings with the clue stick would
 be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Josh Paetzel
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Re: [Mailman-Users] List admin abandons a list

2003-12-05 Thread Jon Carnes
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 19:42, Rod Neep wrote:
 I have had a list admin (of three lists) *abandon* the mailing lists for 
 which he was responsible.
 
 Unfortunately, he did this about three weeks ago without my knowledge 
 and without any notice, and I only discovered the problem this evening.
 
 Moreover he just deleted his email address as list admin, leaving 
 the field *blank*.
 
 Is there any way to prevent this happening again?
 For example, for the admin address to default to something else if left 
 blank, or better still, for Mailman to inform me if an admin address is 
 blank?
 
 Rod

Sounds like a great job for a cron script!  Try the
~mailman/bin/list_admins command in a cron script and add a bit of
logic, and Viola!  You will never be caught by surprise again - though
this is the first time I've ever heard of this particular problem.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] adding subscriber names

2003-12-05 Thread Darwin Sanoy
There is a script called add_members in the ~mailman/bin directory.

Fyi,
D.


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Greetings-

I have a question: is there a method to add the subscriber names, in
addition to e-mail addresses, en masse? That would be really usefule to me.

GNU Peace,

Ron Carson
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Re: [Mailman-Users] please help

2003-12-05 Thread McKeever Chris


On 05 Dec 2003 19:55 , Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 23:18, Shane Messer wrote:
 Man,
 
  
 
 I really hate to send a stupid email like this, but I have searched for the
 past hour trying to figure out a very simple problem, with no luck.
 
  
 
 I use a web company for hosting and I have no root access.  I am provided
 use of the mailman script, v2.13.
 
  
 
 The problem is that I am trying to figure out a way to do a mass removal of
 all the users on a list without having to go through each letter and check
 them off, letter by letter.  Here is what I have tried.
 
  
 
 1.   I tried to do a * in the mass removal.  Doesn't work.
 2.   I tried to come up with a way to get an entire list on the screen at
 once, so I could do a mass removal with that list.  No luck.
 
  
 
 Again, I only have access to the web interface and not the command line, so
 can you tell me a way to simply wipe all the users in the list quickly?  Or
 simply list them and then I can drop the list into the mass removal box?
 
  
 
 I work for a vodka company (www.extremebeverage.com), so I will be happy to
 send lots of free samples to someone who can answer my question! :-)
 
  
 
 Thanks,
 
 Shane
 
With an offer like that, who could refuse!

Write a small robot script to access the admin website and do the check
boxes for you.  Linux has some very nice scripting tools that will help
you out (links and wget come to mind).

I've used them in the past to do load testing on web-sites.  I setup
them up to walk entire web trees multiple times.  The principle is the
same so with a bit of patience you should have something that will
hammer away on the admin pages for you in a few minutes.


can you send the [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: who password 
to get the entire list?
of change the mungled public view to show real address, do a list, cut and paste it 
into the mass removal, and there you go, then switch it 
back to the mungled view of the address you --at- domain dot com



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