Re: [Mailman-Users] URL in List info text is suddenly "quoted" HTML

[Martin Maechler]

Hi,

> "Hilton" == Hilton J Ralphs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> on Wed,  5 May 2004 19:50:40 +0200 writes:

Hilton> That's the problem, you "simply edited the list information bit".

Hilton, you misunderstood:N
I did what every list maintainer is supposed to do:

Goto  http://./mailman/admin//general ,
i.e. the "General Options" administrative page,
with its two-column setup of

  Description Value
  --- -

with the many "boxes" on the right hand 'Value' side a list
maintainer fills in.  In this case we are talking about the one
simply called  'info' (the fifth from the top).
On its left side, it says

>> An introductory description - a few paragraphs - about the
>> list. It will be included, as html, at the top of the
>> listinfo page. Carriage returns will end a paragraph - see
>> the details for more info.  (Details for info)

this is a link
and if click on the "Details for info" I get a page with URL
https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/admin/ess-help/?VARHELP=general/info

with the content  starting as


>> 
>> ESS-help Mailing list Configuration Help
>> info Option

>> info (general): An introductory description - a few
>> paragraphs - about the list. It will be included, as html, at
>> the top of the listinfo page. Carriage returns will end a
>> paragraph - see the details for more info.
>> 

>> The text will be treated as html except that newlines will be
>> translated to  - so you can use links, preformatted text,
>> etc, but don't put in carriage returns except where you mean
>> to separate paragraphs. And review your changes - bad html
>> (like some unterminated HTML constructs) can prevent display
>> of the entire listinfo page.

Which clearly allows to put into HTML things.

And this used to work for many years -- as said I don't think
it's a mailman problem but a problem of the interaction of
web-server (apache) <-> mailman

When I put in HTML code, I __ of course __ don't use
the '&qout;' or '<' entities that
become used on the /listinfo page !

--

Yes, I know the following (and mentioned it by saying ".. are
quoted in the html source" below).
But I think you forgot that this HTML page is *generated* by
mailman/python from some "list database" (into which I haven't
looked).

Hilton> This is what is on your page

Hilton> For more info, see the  
HREF="http://www.analytics.washington.edu/statcomp/projects/ess/">;
Hilton> ESS site.
Hilton> 

Hilton> This is what it should read. (in html)

Hilton> For more info, see the  HREF="http://www.analytics.washington.edu/statcomp/projects/ess/";>ESS 
site.
Hilton> 

Hilton> -- 
Hilton> Regards
Hilton> Hilton


Hilton> Quoting Martin Maechler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>> It's probably easiest to see what I mean when you look at
>> 
>> https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ess-help
>> 
>> one of the lists I manage.
>> The link "" is suddenly `shown'
>> 
>> (because the "<" etc are quoted in the html source).
>> 
>> How can this happen? 
>> As ML administrator, I've simply  edited the list information
>> [text box] shown on the  ./mailman/admin/ess-help page.


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Size Issues

[Kory Wheatley]

I have a critical situation that I need addressed, and it deals with 
large messages being sent to mailman mailing lists.

Currently, we have a lot of  large mailing lists (some have 10,000 to 
15,000 subscribers) and  some of these lists is all Faculty/Staff email 
subscribers that have an account on our mail server.  All messages sent 
to these lists are moderated.   Here's the problem, when some of these 
pending messages are accepted to be sent, and one of the messages 
happens to be 5mb in size, that amount of email that is sent to our mail 
server all at once, "kills us", and someday if a larger one is sent, it 
will fill up our mail stores and corrupt our mail server.
We can configure our mail server to not accept a message over 5 meg and 
that would solve the problem, but our University Advisory Committee 
would not allow  that.  They have approved that it be set to 10 meg, for 
messages be sent to only one recipient, but individuals who use the 
mailing lists, abuse this. Sometimes messages get approved that 
shouldn't and we run into this problem

All get to my point, is there a way that if a moderator tries to approve 
a message that is over 1 meg, that maybe some custom python code could 
be developed to pop up a message and say "Only messages below 1 meg can 
be approved"  and have the message discarded, or tell the user the only 
option they have is to discard the message.

I know there's the "max_message_size" option you can set, but that still 
sends the message to the pending database and they can still accept the 
message,  rather than discard the message when its above that size.

Any Solution?  I know you will want to say change your policy on your 
mail server, but at this point it's not a option.

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[Mailman-Users] Script to clean shunt directory

[David Vasil]

Until I can figure out how to stop the UnicodeDecodeErrors
and mail quits getting shunted, I figure it would be best to
keep the shunt directory somewhat clean.  To do this I wrote
a script that checks each .pck in the shunt directory for
the X-Spam-Level header to determine the liklihood of the
message being spam.  If it is highly likely the message is
spam, the script removes the .pck and .db file, otherwise it
warns the person running the script to investigate possible
legit email that ended up in shunt.

Can anyone see anything wrong with removing files in the
shunt directory in this manner?  The script I wrote is
attached.

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#!/bin/bash
#
# Written by Dave Vasil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
# May 5th, 2004
# Distributed under the GPL V2 or higher.
#
# Cleans out the mailman shunt directory in mailman/qfiles/shunt
#
# At the time this was written (May 5th 2004) several emails to
# lists would be shunted because they could not be parsed correctly
# due to illegal charset chars being used.  It appears that these
# messages are primarily caused by spammers
#
# This script tries to differentiate between messages with high
# spam levels and legitimate email.  Liklihood of a legit email being
# held in shunt is low, but if legit mail is held, this script 
# will send notice to the user running the script to investigate 
# low spam scoring messages.
#
# Script requires some sort of content filtering before mailman
# receives the message.  In this case, amavisd-new adds a header
# X-Spam-Level: X  (where the X is the level of spam
# liklihood).
#
# Distributed by default with $CLEAN set to false, you must
# explicitly set it to 1 if you wish to remove files.

SHUNTDIR=/usr/local/mail/mailman/qfiles/shunt
MAXSPAMX=7
CLEAN=0
TEST=1
SHUNTFILNUM=`ls $SHUNTDIR/*.pck 2>/dev/null | wc -l`

if [ $SHUNTFILNUM -gt 0 ]; then
  # Just for verbosity
  if [ $TEST -eq 1 ]; then
echo "Checking $SHUNTFILNUM shunted messages in $SHUNTDIR."
fi
# Start the main loop
  for shuntfile in `ls $SHUNTDIR/*.pck`
  do
  # egrep the shuntfile for the spam level
spamlevel=`egrep -o -a -e 'X-Spam-Level...X+' $shuntfile | wc -c`
# subtract 14 from the spam level for X-Spam-Level:
spamlevel=`expr $spamlevel - 14`
if [ $TEST -eq 1 ]; then
  echo "Shunted file: `basename $shuntfile` with spam level $spamlevel."
fi
# If $CLEAN is set, and $spamlevel > $MAXSPAMX, remove the .pck and 
.db for that $shuntfile
if [ $CLEAN -eq 1 ]; then
  if [ $spamlevel -gt $MAXSPAMX ]; then
if [ $TEST -eq 1 ]; then
  echo "Cleaning `basename $shuntfile` from the qfiles dir since spam exceeds 
$MAXSPAMX."
fi
rm -f $shuntfile "`echo $shuntfile | sed 's/\.pck$/\.db/'`"
  else
  # Possible legit mail based on $MAXSPAMX
echo "Please investigate `basename $shuntfile`.  Spam level ($spamlevel) is 
below $MAXSPAMX.  Possible valid message."
  fi
fi
  done
else
  # Just for verbosity
  if [ $TEST -eq 1 ]; then
echo "There are no shunted messages in $SHUNTDIR.  Lucky you."
fi
fi


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[Mailman-Users] News -> Mail: no mail! (repost)

[NFN Smith]

I posted this one last week, but no response, yet.  Any takers on this
one?  I thought this was a fairly simple one -- or is it just
uninteresting?

Thanks.

Smith



I'm in the process of setting up a server with the following:

- Fedora Core 1
- Mailman 2.1.4
- Sendmail 8.12.10
- INN 2.3.5

Mailman, Sendmail and INN all have been installed from the .RPM
bundled with Fedora.

I'm doing this setup as an internal server, so I'm not exchanging
traffic with the Internet at larger.

Where I currently am is that I have Mailman working fine as a mailing
list server, and no problems at all with INN as a news server.  I also
am not having any difficutly of getting mail to news.

However, where I am having difficulties is in getting messages
composed in news back to mail.  In my mailman configs, I'm pretty much
running with default settings -- in fact, the only things I'm
specifying in my mm_cfg.py are the necessary settings for the server name.

I do have all the supplied activities running in the mailman user's
crontab, and those are running on the specified schedules.

The specific place where I'm having problems is when I run gate_news,
I'm getting no response, other than a single log entry in /var/log/cron:

Apr 27 15:00:01 bronze CROND[12436]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/gate_news)

If I run gate_news from a shell prompt, I get a pause for a few
seconds, and then a new prompt, but no other output.

I've checked all of my logs, including /var/log/maillog and
/var/log/mailman/*, and there are no updates to any of these logs
following gate_news runs.

I also checked all the steps in the troubleshooting section (3.14) of
the Mailman FAQ.  The only thing that turned up other than what should
be is that that a check_perms check showed that the permissions of the
files in /var/mailman/qfiles were incorrect.  On the advice of
check_perms, I ran 'chmod 02775 *' on the directory.  (These files
have owner:group set to:  mailman:mailman ).  I then restarted all the
mailman services by rebooting the machine.  Following that, I'm still
having the same behavior.

What I'm missing has to be something small, but I'm not seeing it.
Any clues?

Thanks in advance.

Smith

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 without nls

[John Poltorak]

How do I avoid installing support for lots of languages I don't need when 
installing Mailman 2.1.5?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] URL in List info text is suddenly "quoted" HTML

[Kai Schaetzl]

Martin Maechler wrote on Wed, 5 May 2004 17:19:44 +0200:

> As ML administrator, I've simply  edited the list information
> [text box] shown on the  ./mailman/admin/ess-help page.
>

You didn't edit the whole page? It looks weird on other parts as well. 
F.i. on top there is
https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ess-help";> English 
(USA)
  
https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/subscribe/ess-help";>

which means the first FORM tag doesn't serve any purpose.

As for listinfo, I think I recall it was said that you cannot use HTML in 
any of the web interface fields. I may be wrong.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] No module named Japanese

[Kai Schaetzl]

Lynn Poythress wrote on Tue, 4 May 2004 10:28:23 -0700:

> ImportError: No module named japanese
>

AFAIK this is actually from Python. The standard install on some OS's 
seems to require Japanese and Korean, for no good reason. That's why I 
uninstalled these parts and I got the same error when upgrading mailman. I 
think I had to reinstall that stuff to overcome it :-(


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Re: [Mailman-Users] URL in List info text is suddenly "quoted" HTML

[Hilton J Ralphs]

That's the problem, you "simply edited the list information bit".

This is what is on your page

For more info, see the ;
 ESS site.


This is what it should read. (in html)

For more info, see the http://www.analytics.washington.edu/statcomp/projects/ess/";>ESS site.


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Quoting Martin Maechler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> It's probably easiest to see what I mean when you look at
> 
>   https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ess-help
> 
> one of the lists I manage.
> The link "" is suddenly `shown'
> 
> (because the "<" etc are quoted in the html source).
> 
> How can this happen? 
> As ML administrator, I've simply  edited the list information
> [text box] shown on the  ./mailman/admin/ess-help page.



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[Mailman-Users] Delete list archives

[Franco, Ruben]

I have a list admin that wishes to delete all archives for a particluar list 
but the admin interface does not have such an option.  Can I simply delete the files 
found in the "archives" sub-directory?


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[Mailman-Users] Mass setting of MODerate option?

[John]

Is there any way, in a mass subscription txt file containing 'real-name
 ' to turn the MODerator option on at the same time? Doing it
manually is a chore, as I have all MOD bits set to off in my list.

John Weersing


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Re: [Mailman-Users] alias problem

[Hilton J Ralphs]

Sure dude.

The problem is in the first line of your alias file.

Should read...

my-list: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post my-list"

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Quoting nikos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I create a list and it seems to work fine, exept that all mail from users
> going only to root user.
> I believe it is an alias problem. Can somebody help me please?
> 
> #alias
> my-list: postmaster
> my-list-owner: mailman
> my-list-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin my-list"
> my-list-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces my-list"
> my-list-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm my-list"
> my-list-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join my-list"
> my-list-leave: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave my-list"
> my-list-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request my-list"
> my-list-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe my-list"
> my-list-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe my-list"



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[Mailman-Users] Case sensitivity for email addresses

[Ralph Siemsen]

I'm using mailman 2.1 and have managed to get one of my lists into a 
somewhat odd state.

A user [EMAIL PROTECTED] was originally added through the 
mass-subscription web interface.

Later, I added [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note capitalization) with the add_member 
script on the commandline.

Or perhaps it was the opposite way around.  In any case, I now have the 
user subscribed twice, with the same email address, but different 
capitalization of the domain portion.

Now the problem is trying to remove either or both of these entries. 
Regardless of whether I use the web interface or commandline, I am 
unable to remove the member without breaking the list completetly.
All attempts seem to remove one of the members, and then I hit a 
consistency check that complains about the other entry being "not a 
member".  All attempts to post to the list, etc., fail with the same 
error (only visible on commandline; web interface just says that an 
error happened).

Is it possible to manually dump the database of list members, remove the 
offending email addresses, and then "undump" the database?

Or some other way to fix the list?

Thanks in advance,
-Ralph Siemsen
(Please cc: replies as I am not subscribed to this list!)

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[Mailman-Users] Updated exim configuration

[Joerg Mauer]

Hi,

there is a new exim doc. for
mailman 2.1 :
You probably want to update the
link on the documentation page.

http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html

regards,

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[Mailman-Users] No module named Japanese

[Poythress, Lynn]

Hi,

I'm a new subscriber and am having a problem installing Mailman 2.1.4.
I am trying to install it on HP-UX 11.00.  I was able to download Python
2.3.3 from HP's porting site.  I was able to successfully run
'configure' for Mailman.  When I try and run 'make install' I get an
error message.  I'm not sure if I should concern myself with it, since
it's about a Japanese module.  Listed below is the message.

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/update", line 45, in ?
   import paths
   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py", line 55, in ?
   import japanese
ImportError: No module named japanese
*** Error exit code 1

Stop.

Can I still continue?  Will Mailman still run?  Do I care about this
Japanese module?

I did look in the archives and found a few similar questions, but wasn't
sure what I should do.  I contacted the Python help group and they
seemed to think that the HP porting site "seems to imply that all of
Python is included in the package." Does that mean I need to install the
'developer's package'?  I don't get it, why would all the pieces
necessary NOT be there?

Thanks for any insight you can give me.

Lynn Poythress
California State University, Sacramento



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[Mailman-Users] URL in List info text is suddenly "quoted" HTML

[Martin Maechler]

It's probably easiest to see what I mean when you look at

  https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ess-help

one of the lists I manage.
The link "" is suddenly `shown'

(because the "<" etc are quoted in the html source).

How can this happen? 
As ML administrator, I've simply  edited the list information
[text box] shown on the  ./mailman/admin/ess-help page.

Any ideas ?
Could it be a problem of the web server software (apache)?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Lists, Authorized Posters and Virus/Worm Access

[George Theall]

On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 01:28:59AM -0700, Bob Bowers wrote:

> In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
> hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to post to 
> the list (moderation bit set OFF). 

The shortcoming of this approach to moderation is discussed in the FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

> What resulted was that a worm of the W32Beagle variety was 
> sent to many hundreds of subscribers. 

Sorry to hear that.  As others have mentioned, you might want to explore
setting up anti-virus filtering on your mail server and/or restrict the
types of attachments your mailing list(s) allow. 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail to my list -> mta result: user unknown

[Hilton J Ralphs]

You need to do all this in the aliases table.
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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> On sending a eMail to my mailing-list I get the following error.
> 
> (from "tail -F -n 30 /var/log/maillog")
> May  5 15:44:03 smesrv sendmail[24051]: i45Di3D5024051: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> union.org>... User unknown
> May  5 15:44:03 smesrv sendmail[24051]: i45Di3D5024051:
> from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=pop.gmx.net
> [213.165.64.20]
> 
> -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- user unknown
> 
> I have set up
> - mailman 
> - with sendmail
> - on redhat
> 
> I have sticked to the manual of the distribution
> 1) INSTALL
> 2) README
> 3) README.SENDMAIL
> 
> I use a "mailertable"
> smesrv.sme-union.orgmailman:smesrv.sme-union.org
> 
> ... which should put all mails not known (like "mylist" isnt a system user)
> to the Mail Delivery 
> Agent, defined in sendmail.mc:
> 
> #snip from /etc/mail/sendmail.mc
> Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:mailman,
>   S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL,
>   A=mm-handler $h $u
> #end
> 
> - mailertable has been done in db
> - sendmail.mc done to .fc
> - /etc/mail/mm-handler is executable to all
> 
> But for some reason this does NOT WORK. --- user unknown
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> btw here my "mm_cfg.py"
> #CODE 
> from Defaults import *
> 
> IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
> 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'
> 
> add_virtualhost('smesrv.sme-union.org','smesrv.sme-union.org')
> ##
> 
> Questions to you:
> 1) Do you know what I have done wrong?
> 2) Or can you tell me how to set up the aliases manually? (Where does
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> union.org" has to point in virtuser..



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[Mailman-Users] mail to my list -> mta result: user unknown

[walter . mauritz]

Hi,

On sending a eMail to my mailing-list I get the following error.

(from "tail -F -n 30 /var/log/maillog")
May  5 15:44:03 smesrv sendmail[24051]: i45Di3D5024051: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
union.org>... User unknown
May  5 15:44:03 smesrv sendmail[24051]: i45Di3D5024051: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]

-> [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- user unknown

I have set up
- mailman 
- with sendmail
- on redhat

I have sticked to the manual of the distribution
1) INSTALL
2) README
3) README.SENDMAIL

I use a "mailertable"
smesrv.sme-union.orgmailman:smesrv.sme-union.org

... which should put all mails not known (like "mylist" isnt a system user) to the 
Mail Delivery 
Agent, defined in sendmail.mc:

#snip from /etc/mail/sendmail.mc
Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:mailman,
  S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL,
  A=mm-handler $h $u
#end

- mailertable has been done in db
- sendmail.mc done to .fc
- /etc/mail/mm-handler is executable to all

But for some reason this does NOT WORK. --- user unknown

What am I doing wrong?

btw here my "mm_cfg.py"
#CODE 
from Defaults import *

IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'

add_virtualhost('smesrv.sme-union.org','smesrv.sme-union.org')
##

Questions to you:
1) Do you know what I have done wrong?
2) Or can you tell me how to set up the aliases manually? (Where does "[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
union.org" has to point in virtuser..

Thanks for any help

Regards

Walter
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Re: [Mailman-Users]

[Kai Schaetzl]

Bob Bowers wrote on Wed, 05 May 2004 01:28:59 -0700:

> In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
> hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to post to 
> the list (moderation bit set OFF). In such a case, moderator approval was 
> not required.
>

You want to say that someone forged a member email address and posted to the 
list and it got distributed to the list? There's no "mimicking". You simply 
subscribe to the list and collect addresses. Or the virus just grabs from what 
is on the PC and sends to the list with a member's address found in the same 
mail. Viruses often grab sender and recipient of an email and send two 
"cross-over" mails to both of them. That happens to all open mailing lists. 
You can avoid it by virus scanning the list or stripping all (executable) 
attachments.


Kai

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Lists, Authorized Posters and Virus/Worm Access

[Lloyd Tennison]

Set the mm_cfg.py and see Default.py for this info:


# The envelope sender is set by the SMTP delivery and is thus less easily
# spoofed than the sender, which is typically just taken from the From: header
# and thus easily spoofed by the end-user.  However, sometimes the envelope
# sender isn't set correctly and this will manifest itself by postings being
# held for approval even if they appear to come from a list member.  If you
# are having this problem, set this variable to No, but understand that some
# spoofed messages may get through.
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No MAKE YES!


This will help block some of your problem - unauthorized posts.  The virus checker 
still goes.




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>On 5 May 2004, at 09:28, Bob Bowers wrote:
>
>> In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
>> hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to 
>> post to the list (moderation bit set OFF). In such a case, moderator 
>> approval was not required. What resulted was that a worm of the 
>> W32Beagle variety was sent to many hundreds of subscribers. I have 
>> changed all my mail lists to require active moderation of all posts 
>> (moderation bits are ON for all subscribers), and automatic rejection 
>> of all posts from non-members.
>>
>> It appears that it was just a matter of time for someone with ill 
>> intent to figure out that the "from" address in a message from a mail 
>> list might represent access to the mail list for mischief. It would 
>> not appear accidental that a virus or worm operating on some 
>> unsuspecting individual's computer accidentally sent itself to the 
>> posting address of a mail list as well as from an authorized email 
>> address. It is more likely that it was deliberate.
>
>I doubt that the virus writer was targeting mailing lists in this 
>considered fashion; to them, a mail alias is just a mail alias.
>
>I understand these virus types use the MUA address book on machines it 
>infects as a source of mail address to send its progeny on to. One of 
>your list's subscribers was probably the source of the infected message 
>and your list's address just one of a number pillaged from that user's 
>address book as destinations by a promiscuous virus.
>
>In my view, running effective virus (and spam) filtering on your 
>incoming MTA is the secret of happiness. It keeps viruses away from 
>your both your lists' and your real users' mail aliases, and it means 
>you do not have to moderate everything if the virus loaded messages are 
>being silently dropped in the bit bucket by the MTA.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Lists, Authorized Posters and Virus/Worm Access

[Richard Barrett]

On 5 May 2004, at 09:28, Bob Bowers wrote:

In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to 
post to the list (moderation bit set OFF). In such a case, moderator 
approval was not required. What resulted was that a worm of the 
W32Beagle variety was sent to many hundreds of subscribers. I have 
changed all my mail lists to require active moderation of all posts 
(moderation bits are ON for all subscribers), and automatic rejection 
of all posts from non-members.

It appears that it was just a matter of time for someone with ill 
intent to figure out that the "from" address in a message from a mail 
list might represent access to the mail list for mischief. It would 
not appear accidental that a virus or worm operating on some 
unsuspecting individual's computer accidentally sent itself to the 
posting address of a mail list as well as from an authorized email 
address. It is more likely that it was deliberate.
I doubt that the virus writer was targeting mailing lists in this 
considered fashion; to them, a mail alias is just a mail alias.

I understand these virus types use the MUA address book on machines it 
infects as a source of mail address to send its progeny on to. One of 
your list's subscribers was probably the source of the infected message 
and your list's address just one of a number pillaged from that user's 
address book as destinations by a promiscuous virus.

In my view, running effective virus (and spam) filtering on your 
incoming MTA is the secret of happiness. It keeps viruses away from 
your both your lists' and your real users' mail aliases, and it means 
you do not have to moderate everything if the virus loaded messages are 
being silently dropped in the bit bucket by the MTA.

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[Mailman-Users] Mail Lists, Authorized Posters and Virus/Worm Access

[Bob Bowers]

In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to post to 
the list (moderation bit set OFF). In such a case, moderator approval was 
not required. What resulted was that a worm of the W32Beagle variety was 
sent to many hundreds of subscribers. I have changed all my mail lists to 
require active moderation of all posts (moderation bits are ON for all 
subscribers), and automatic rejection of all posts from non-members.

It appears that it was just a matter of time for someone with ill intent to 
figure out that the "from" address in a message from a mail list might 
represent access to the mail list for mischief. It would not appear 
accidental that a virus or worm operating on some unsuspecting individual's 
computer accidentally sent itself to the posting address of a mail list as 
well as from an authorized email address. It is more likely that it was 
deliberate.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] on mailing to my list: user (=listname) unknown; (sendmail-mailman config error?)

[Thomas Hochstein]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:

> Successfully created a list, got a confirmation eMail from list. But on mailing to 
> the list listname = "mylist", I get the following error:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 217.136.223.232_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_550_5.1.1_<[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]
> me-union.org>..._User_unknown/Giving_up_on_217.136.223.232./

You *did* create an alias file for sendmail (or modify the existing,
that is)?

-thh


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